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2013-05-08 10:28:54 AM
Hey, sweetie, you know what'd be cute?  How about you run outside, get down on all fours, and pretend you're knocking his trashcans over.  Okay, now crouch down behind them, on the count of 3.

1

2

BOOM
 
2013-05-08 10:29:28 AM
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It's coming right for us!
 
2013-05-08 10:29:56 AM
People in Pennsylvania with guns shouldn't own cousins. Or something.

/Too bad he hasn't fled the state yet so someone could write "Beaver County rat weasels way out of skunk shooting, rabbits."
 
2013-05-08 10:30:48 AM
When I learned to shoot, one of the very first rules of gun safety I was taught was that if you can not 100% positively identify the target, do not shoot.

"I thought..." is not an excuse for shooting at something you weren't able to positively identify.
 
2013-05-08 10:31:38 AM
So, was it even skunk season?
 
2013-05-08 10:32:05 AM
The girl, whose name has not been released, was said to have been playing on a hillside when the home's owner, Janet Grant, mistook her for the noxious pest.Police said Grant then asked her son, Thomas Grant, who police said was the victim's cousin, to shoot the pest.

According to the statement, Grant then retrieved a shotgun from the home. While his mother shined a flashlight at what they believed was a skunk, Thomas fired the gun, striking the still unidentified girl in the shoulder and abdomen.


Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.  Still a little retarded, but definitely makes more sense.
 
2013-05-08 10:35:26 AM
I actually LOLed at the thought that "What if it had been a real skunk?"  Even if it had been a real skunk, this idiot thought it would be a good idea to splatter the critter with a bunch of kids around? Perforated stink bag +  traumatized kids = awesome?
 
2013-05-08 10:37:07 AM
Thank god, man.

First they start dressing as skunks.  Then, they turn into tyranny, and tyranny needs to be shot with our Second Amendment.
 
2013-05-08 10:40:15 AM
This shiat will just keep happening until this country gets serious about "responsible gun owners".
 
2013-05-08 10:42:51 AM

evilboyevil: A below average intelligence sociopath. He did it on a whim and thought he had an excuse.


I don't know, I'm a lot more sympathetic after reading the more detailed article.  He wasn't the only one involved in shooting her.  She was playing on a hill in the distance (maybe even obscured by bushes?), not standing right in front of him.

I'm leaning towards blaming the kids parents on this one.  People in rural Pennsylvania shoot skunks all the time.  Otherwise they'd be overrun with them.  Letting your kid dress like one is irresponsible, especially if you're going to a party with family members (who you presumably know well enough) who are in the habit of shooting said skunks.

That said, the party host (the shooter's mother, and the one who told him to do the shooting) should be aware of what costumes her guests are wearing, and should have thought twice that the skunk-like animal in their backyard might actually be a human in a skunk costume.  That's either bad party etiquette on her part for not socializing with the guests, or on the girls parents' part for not checking in upon arrival.
 
2013-05-08 10:46:17 AM

Aarontology: When I learned to shoot, one of the very first rules of gun safety I was taught was that if you can not 100% positively identify the target, do not shoot.

"I thought..." is not an excuse for shooting at something you weren't able to positively identify.


That's a very good point.  Especially if you know there are kids playing in the area.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:14 AM

Ned Stark: Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.

If it was a girl running around on two legs in bright light, however, the guy's an idiot.

Why would you fire a weapon at something 'obscured' by low light?


Because you're an idiot? Didn't say it was smart, just said I can understand how it could happen.  Then again, hunting things like coyotes who are primarily nocturnal, you rely a lot on good night vision or moonlight and sometimes you don't get a perfectly clear view of your target.
 
2013-05-08 10:49:12 AM

Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.

If it was a girl running around on two legs in bright light, however, the guy's an idiot.


Even if she was on all fours, that would still make her look like a HUGE farking skunk. Maybe the guy got freaked out by the size of the skunk overlord and shot it? Who knows.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:21 AM

Raharu: according to the story, he wasn't drunk or on drugs at the time, as determined by testing.


So he's just a farking idiot.


Just another responsible gun owner TM exercising his second amendment rights.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:41 AM
Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place; this dipsh*t either attempted to murder a child, or is just a colossal f*cking retard. There is no middle ground or other choice here.
 
2013-05-08 10:51:43 AM

weapon13: Even if she was on all fours, that would still make her look like a HUGE farking skunk. Maybe the guy got freaked out by the size of the skunk overlord and shot it? Who knows.


Wouldn't be the first time. I've seen some monstrous farking raccoons, and the amount of damage they can do to your house and grounds (along with skunks who chew on things), they generally are fair game to get shot.

Likewise with porcupines. They tend to chew on wood siding on houses and tear things up quite a bit. See one, shoot one.
 
2013-05-08 10:52:49 AM

weapon13: Even if she was on all fours, that would still make her look like a HUGE farking skunk. Maybe the guy got freaked out by the size of the skunk overlord and shot it? Who knows


I grew up largely in the sticks. Saw and dealt with plenty of skunks. Had access to a shotgun. Never once thought "I need to shoot this animal immediately".
 
2013-05-08 10:53:34 AM

Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.


9/10
 
2013-05-08 10:53:39 AM

Bravo Two: Ned Stark: Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.

If it was a girl running around on two legs in bright light, however, the guy's an idiot.

Why would you fire a weapon at something 'obscured' by low light?

Because you're an idiot? Didn't say it was smart, just said I can understand how it could happen.  Then again, hunting things like coyotes who are primarily nocturnal, you rely a lot on good night vision or moonlight and sometimes you don't get a perfectly clear view of your target.


"Shoot first and verify target afterwards" is the crux of the entire farking problem and is not something we want to encourage. "Oh, he thought his target was actually something else? That's ok then, no problem. Could happen to anyone!"
 
2013-05-08 10:56:23 AM
Be a damn shame if the shooter accidentally got "peppered" ...Cheney style.
 
2013-05-08 10:58:15 AM

NutWrench: Slightly better article here.


So you have a family bonfire at night with children who are running around playing, and you decide you need to shoot a skunk - off in the distance, at night when children are known to be running around playing?

I'm surprised this guy can brush his teeth without drowning himself.
 
2013-05-08 10:59:23 AM

Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.

If it was a girl running around on two legs in bright light, however, the guy's an idiot.


But a 4 foot long skunk?  Perhaps 6 feet if we are including her cute little tale?  Add to that a party where you have drunken guests and children playing all over the property and the best idea you've got is to pop out your gun and just start shooting?  Come on!!!
 
2013-05-08 11:04:22 AM

Shadowtag: People in Pennsylvania with guns shouldn't own cousins. Or something.

/Too bad he hasn't fled the state yet so someone could write "Beaver County rat weasels way out of skunk shooting, rabbits."


Dress like a skunk and you'll get shot. That's the Beaver County way.
 
2013-05-08 11:05:48 AM
Are we sure it wasn't a 9 year old dachshund or housecat?  How the fark could you mix up a 4th grader and a 5 lb animal?
 
2013-05-08 11:06:34 AM
Holy run on sentence headline, Batman!!!
 
2013-05-08 11:07:19 AM

MyRandomName: Raharu: The Muthaship: Raharu: So he's just a farking idiot.

There's no way he really thought the girl was a skunk.  I wonder what really happened here.

I'd like to know too

However I think we all really know this never would have happened if the girl was armed too.

.[www.lee.org image 850x459]

Ironic.  You post a picture of an assault weapon while the man used a shot gun.. which politician was advocating for shotguns.... OH yeah.. Biden.


Congratulations, I don't think I've ever seen this impressive level of stupidity so densely populated in a single statement.
 
2013-05-08 11:13:59 AM

Endive Wombat: But a 4 foot long skunk?  Perhaps 6 feet if we are including her cute little tale?  Add to that a party where you have drunken guests and children playing all over the property and the best idea you've got is to pop out your gun and just start shooting?  Come on!!!


I could see it- in some parts of the country at some parties they go shoot in the backyard for fun. Shooting a skunk wouldn't be out of line at all, especially if you know that it's been territorial or aggressive lately. Like others have said, skunks are about as bad as rabbits when it comes to reproduction- I don't even live in the country but smelling a dead skunk that's been hit by a car is at least a weekly occurrence.

The major problem here is that he shot at something without being able to 100% identify it, but skunks are nocturnal animals... so if you really want to hunt them it's going to have to be in the dusk or evening. This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.
 
2013-05-08 11:16:37 AM

Fubini: Endive Wombat: But a 4 foot long skunk?  Perhaps 6 feet if we are including her cute little tale?  Add to that a party where you have drunken guests and children playing all over the property and the best idea you've got is to pop out your gun and just start shooting?  Come on!!!

I could see it- in some parts of the country at some parties they go shoot in the backyard for fun. Shooting a skunk wouldn't be out of line at all, especially if you know that it's been territorial or aggressive lately. Like others have said, skunks are about as bad as rabbits when it comes to reproduction- I don't even live in the country but smelling a dead skunk that's been hit by a car is at least a weekly occurrence.

The major problem here is that he shot at something without being able to 100% identify it, but skunks are nocturnal animals... so if you really want to hunt them it's going to have to be in the dusk or evening. This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.


This.  Again, don't condone what the guy did, just said I can understand how it happened.
 
2013-05-08 11:25:23 AM

Raharu: The Muthaship: Raharu: So he's just a farking idiot.

There's no way he really thought the girl was a skunk.  I wonder what really happened here.

I'd like to know too

However I think we all really know this never would have happened if the girl was armed too.

.[www.lee.org image 850x459]


According to the headline she was, though it is unclear why a nine year old girl was in possession of the assailant's shotgun.
 
2013-05-08 11:25:33 AM
Can he at least lose the right to own guns?
 
2013-05-08 11:26:07 AM
Just because you've seen big racoons doesn't mean there are 4ft skunks in the world. People who live in suburbia are such pansies.  Get some perspective. This guy should lose his guns for life and his drivers license, he can't be trusted.
 
2013-05-08 11:27:30 AM

Fubini: This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.


A lot of morons being morons with a gun end up causing tragic but avoidable accidents like this one.
 
2013-05-08 11:29:16 AM
What was this jackass doing with a loaded gun at a Halloween party anyway?  Playing Elmer Fudd?
 
2013-05-08 11:30:40 AM
Cheney shot his friend in the face and got an apology from his victim.

Its all outrageous so whine away
 
2013-05-08 11:32:54 AM

dv-ous: pkellmey: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

But she was actually IN A SKUNK COSTUME at the time. We all know how confusing that can be.

//But seriously, this is nothing but sad on so many levels.

If your first thought when you see a skunk is "i'mm'a SHOOT IT!!!" you need to never have a gun again.


This.  You don't need to prove your manliness by killing every wild animal that dares set foot on your property.  It was theirs first.
 
2013-05-08 11:34:06 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Raharu: according to the story, he wasn't drunk or on drugs at the time, as determined by testing.


So he's just a farking idiot.

No. He's a responsible idiot.


Because responsible people shoot first and ask questions later, amirite?
 
2013-05-08 11:34:55 AM

Kome: Fubini: This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.

A lot of morons being morons with a gun end up causing tragic but avoidable accidents like this one.


It's too bad that the "moron" characteristic doesn't preclude gun ownership.
 
2013-05-08 11:39:16 AM

Kome: A lot of morons being morons with a gun end up causing tragic but avoidable accidents like this one.


The sad truth is that you can be 100% responsible with a gun and still end up with accidents. It's the same way you can be 100% responsible with a car and still end up with accidents. I'm not trying to excuse or condone what this guy did, but it's simply not true that literally every firearms accident is due to someone being irresponsible.

There are about 500 accidental deaths each year in the US, and off the top of my head I want to say the chance of fatality there is about 25%, so that implies something like 2000 firearms accidents total each year. Surely many of those are due to carelessness and improper handling. But, just as surely, some of those are from people behaving responsibly and are truly accidental.
 
2013-05-08 11:39:47 AM

NutWrench: Slightly better article here.


Maybe the mom was drunk and shot the girl then realizing what she had done asked the son to take the blame being he was completely sober??? Otherwise this still makes no sense, even if shooting with just a flashlight you can tell the size and know that was no skunk!
 
2013-05-08 11:40:50 AM

Fubini: This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.


I think you inadvertently laid one rose petal too many in this case. I grew up on a street with plenty of "let's shoot stuff in our backyard" types, and not a single one of them would have tolerated some lamebrain firing a shotgun, at night, in known proximity of children, unless a grizzly bear and the entire Red Army was in their midst.
 
2013-05-08 11:41:05 AM
But he was a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN right up to the moment he wasn't!
 
2013-05-08 11:43:16 AM

Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.


He probably thought he was bagging a trophy skunk! Woulda looked great hung above his mantle!
 
2013-05-08 11:44:52 AM
How many of you have been to Pennsylvania?  If you have, you'd understand perfectly.  Pennsylvania is the Deep South of the Northeast.
 
2013-05-08 11:47:19 AM
*Looks at pic of shooter*

Wow, even some hilljacks can clean-up fairly well.
 
2013-05-08 11:47:43 AM
I'm confused.  Usually the perp can get a lighter sentence by claiming it was the evil alcohols telling him what to do but this guy was stone cold sober so he doesn't get charged at all?
 
2013-05-08 11:49:11 AM

Raharu: The Muthaship: Raharu: So he's just a farking idiot.

There's no way he really thought the girl was a skunk.  I wonder what really happened here.

I'd like to know too

However I think we all really know this never would have happened if the girl was armed too.

.[www.lee.org image 850x459]


Agreed.  Kidnappers don't fark with 9 year olds carrying AR-15s.
 
2013-05-08 11:50:03 AM

Fissile: How many of you have been to Pennsylvania?  If you have, you'd understand perfectly.  Pennsylvania is the Deep South of the Northeast.


"Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, and Alabama in the middle" as they say.
 
2013-05-08 11:51:03 AM
From today's headlines -  The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren't fatal fell by 69%.

Proving Thomas Grant is an aberration.
(Daddy should have a private chance to beat on his ass for an uninterrupted hour, though)
 
2013-05-08 11:51:12 AM
Damn they must grown them (skunks) big there.
 
2013-05-08 11:51:19 AM

Fubini: The major problem here is that he shot at something without being able to 100% identify it, but skunks are nocturnal animals... so if you really want to hunt them it's going to have to be in the dusk or evening. This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.


Shooting at something you can't 100% identify is a moron being a moron with a gun unless you're in a farking warzone laying down cover fire.
 
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