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(NYPost)   It isn't every morning that your 49 year old balding top newsman walks into the office in a "little black dress" and a brunette bobbed wig and announces to colleagues that from now on, he would like to be known as Dawn   (nypost.com) divider line 113
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2013-05-08 10:56:15 AM  
He'll make an incredibly ugly woman.
 
2013-05-08 10:58:28 AM  
When I was younger and more religious, I would have been disgusted by this story and would have said that this guy was living in such rebellion against God that he wanted to change his very being in defiance of what God intended.

Now that I am older, less religious and a little wiser about the world, I just feel bad for the poor guy because he will always feel like he's either living a lie by being a man or that he's a pariah for living as a woman. It's never pleasant to see someone who is literally ship uncomfortable in their own skin.

So good for him for trying to stop living a lie, and good luck in her new life!

/The one person that I know in my own social circles who claims to be transgender is also, quite frankly, a nutjob. It's hard to take her seriously because of other similarly wild claims she had made in the pastwhen she is off get meds. But I don't believe she is representative of all transgender folk, either.
 
2013-05-08 11:03:21 AM  

Molavian: He'll make an incredibly ugly woman.


The one picture in the article shows that she looks OK with the decent wig.  Definitely better than me, which is making me cry a bit.
 
2013-05-08 11:04:04 AM  
balding

No.
 
2013-05-08 11:09:00 AM  
The only transgendered person I knew personally was a man who I identified as a woman. Fine. Whatever. Mike became Michelle. Cool. But then he shows up to a friend's house sporting a full on beard. Like a rabbi beard. And everyone has no idea how to react. His argument: WOMEN CAN HAVE BEARDS!It was at that point that we realized Michelle was just an idiot. But still fun to be around, paradoxically.
 
2013-05-08 11:09:06 AM  

secularsage: When I was younger and more religious, I would have been disgusted by this story and would have said that this guy was living in such rebellion against God that he wanted to change his very being in defiance of what God intended.


Many of us prayed to God when we were little to either change our gender or make us feel OK with our gender, but God never answered.  Either she is indifferent to our suffering, or she doesn't exist.
 
2013-05-08 11:11:53 AM  
Good for her. I hope it works out well.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:32 AM  

Myria: secularsage: When I was younger and more religious, I would have been disgusted by this story and would have said that this guy was living in such rebellion against God that he wanted to change his very being in defiance of what God intended.

Many of us prayed to God when we were little to either change our gender or make us feel OK with our gender, but God never answered.  Either she is indifferent to our suffering, or she doesn't exist.


Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:51 AM  

ModernLuddite: The only transgendered person I knew personally was a man who I identified as a woman. Fine. Whatever. Mike became Michelle. Cool. But then he shows up to a friend's house sporting a full on beard. Like a rabbi beard. And everyone has no idea how to react. His argument: WOMEN CAN HAVE BEARDS!It was at that point that we realized Michelle was just an idiot. But still fun to be around, paradoxically.


I just don't  get some transgender people.  There are so many of us who are downright strange, and it seems to result in stereotypes.  I always hated having facial hair, and once I truly understood who I am, I've had it all fried off.
 
2013-05-08 11:19:23 AM  
I love how the article immediately adopts the word "she".
 
2013-05-08 11:24:17 AM  

doubled99: I love how the article immediately adopts the word "she".


I'll start calling you "she" all the time and see how you like it.
 
2013-05-08 11:26:57 AM  

Pentaxian: This part of the article is totally creepy:

Ennis said she suffers from an "unusual hormonal imbalance," and blames her mother, who fed her female hormones as a child to prolong a commercial acting career. The hormones made the little boy look and sound young, but Ennis said she eventually developed breasts.


How dare she suggest the she wasn't born that way?!? What a homophobe!
 
2013-05-08 11:33:26 AM  
umad I'm trying to keep up... is this Don/Dawn a weirdo we can make fun of or is he a hero like Jason Collins? I guess I'll withhold making sport until I see if Obama gives him a call to congratulate him.

Make fun of whoever you want. Then we will make fun of you for being an ignorant bigot.


U mad?
 
2013-05-08 11:37:26 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Before the usual 'debaters' show up, lemme ask you a question.  If you're right, what changes in the world?  Anything improved?  Anything 'saved'?  Does this guy end up a happier person?

/Works for both sides, but personally I'm pretty sure only one side gets even one yes.


Interesting that such questions would posed by someone with the nickname "Lowbrow".   But to answer in order:

Nothing, the world continues to turn as it always does but then even all out nuclear war would not change that.

Yes, the person in questions life can be improved as do the lives of people around them in a few cases (TS's tend to be remarkably unstable pre-transition)... beyond that not really.

You'd need to define saved here; in a religious sense no nothing is saved quite the opposite in fact.  You could possibly argue 'sanity' here I don't know.  Often M2F TS's will get sperm samples frozen so you could argue that the generic lineage of that person is saved if they've done it... same for having kids.  As I say 'saved' is a bit nebulous.

Generally speaking yes they end up as a happier, more stable person.  That doesn't necessarily mean this is always the case nor does it preclude a pre-transition TS from being a functional member of society (although a lot aren't).

Of course the real question is this:  If it doesn't hurt anybody, the world continues to turn oblivious to the change and all the appropriate checks and balances are carried out isn't one 'Yes' sufficient?

/The usual 'debaters' are here so it's a moot point.  We should just spam pictures from South Park and random Ponies.  Maybe some HAHA guy as well for old times sake.
 
2013-05-08 11:46:26 AM  

ModernLuddite: The only transgendered person I knew personally was a man who I identified as a woman. Fine. Whatever. Mike became Michelle. Cool. But then he shows up to a friend's house sporting a full on beard. Like a rabbi beard. And everyone has no idea how to react. His argument: WOMEN CAN HAVE BEARDS!It was at that point that we realized Michelle was just an idiot. But still fun to be around, paradoxically.


Well yes, biologically they can.  It's usually a symptom of something going wrong with their endocrin system though (often exceptionally high levels of testosterone) and your average woman will go to great lengths to bleach, electrocute and other wise remove/hide the damn stuff... at least in Western culture.

You're friend is/was either a transvestite or an attention seeking man-whore...  you can decide which of those two (or both) is applicable but at least one of them most certainly is.
 
Skr
2013-05-08 11:46:48 AM  
oddly enough, he had very feminine looking lips in the before picture. hard to put my finger on why
 
2013-05-08 11:59:34 AM  

DmGdDawg: Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.


Well.. yes.  You're talking about a literal "all knowing, all seeing, all powerful and all loving" being responsible for not only your direct creation but also a large book which specifically states that you are an abomination with no possibility of redemption simply for existing, your existence being purely down to this creatures designs and force of will.

Asking it "WTF dude?" and expecting an answer from said being is entirely appropriate.   Because either God is not as described and thus not an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful and all loving being who is incapable of making mistakes (because there is a mistake and you represent it)... or he doesn't actually exist.

Transsexual's are kind of odd like that:  if they exist God isn't God.  If they don't exist then the person in the article here is just another woman and thus God remains God as described.   It's your call: is God perfect?
 
2013-05-08 12:03:03 PM  
NiceBeaver:

Dear Author - He's still a he.

FTFA: "Doctors can't explain or remedy her condition." Who are they quoting, him or the doctors?

I'm not a doctor and I can explain it: mental problems. But then because I'm not a "helping professional" I don't stand to make any money by persuading him otherwise, prescribing more female hormones or doing elective surgery on his private parts.

But considering how I feel about overpopulation maybe I should advise more people to get a "sex change." You know, "SAVE THE PLANET, HACK OFF YOUR JUNK!" Just refer your wives & girlfriends to me too, I can be very consoling. And the more men get "changed" the more consoling I can be.

By the way, did Chris Corda ever complete the process?
 
2013-05-08 12:06:53 PM  

CognaciousThunk: And now the workplace question of the day is, which restroom will Don/Dawn use? And how long will it take for the other users of that restroom to complain?

/had a coworker like that


That happened at my job.  While the person was undergoing the changes, they had to use the mens room.  Which was interesting, because they're supposed to live as a woman for a certain period of time before the surgery.  So, she (legally still a he) used the mens room.  Visitors from outside my company would sometimes be shocked when they went to use the restroom, and there was womens shoes in the next stall.  But, we would explain it to them, it was no big deal.

When all was said and done, and she was a woman legally, then she was allowed to use the womens room.

FYI... the men didn't give a shiat about any of this.  The women, on the other hand, didn't want her using the womens room ever.
 
2013-05-08 12:14:39 PM  
Hope it brings some peace to what has probably been a tortured existence.
 
2013-05-08 12:18:18 PM  
Compared to some of the drag queens posted around here, he's actually pretty cute.... but then again, it's only a facial shot.
 
2013-05-08 12:25:46 PM  
The hell you say ...

www.virtual-history.com
 
2013-05-08 12:31:59 PM  
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So long as THIS Dawn stays legit...
 
2013-05-08 12:32:55 PM  
People who say that transsexualism is ridiculous and that we shouldn't transition are essentially telling us that we should kill ourselves.  I'd rather be dead than male.
 
2013-05-08 12:39:23 PM  

SpdrJay: Someone needs to write a book on how to treat an awkward looking drag queen/transvestite.


or you could just treat everyone(even those you find icky) with respect Wheaton's Law, Golden Rule, etc) then you wouldn't have to worry about it.
 
2013-05-08 12:41:31 PM  
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2013-05-08 12:44:27 PM  

Voiceofreason01: SpdrJay: Someone needs to write a book on how to treat an awkward looking drag queen/transvestite.

or you could just treat everyone(even those you find icky) with respect Wheaton's Law, Golden Rule, etc) then you wouldn't have to worry about it.


Well when a friend of mine got silly looking glasses, I told him he had silly looking glasses.

How do you tell a transvestite that they are silly looking?
 
2013-05-08 12:44:34 PM  
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Don't hate me because I'm beautiful
 
2013-05-08 12:49:48 PM  
SpdrJay:
How do you tell a transvestite that they are silly looking?

Let me ask you a different question: Your friend is undergoing chemo and lost their hair, how do you tell them that they look like shiat?
 
2013-05-08 12:52:24 PM  

Voiceofreason01: SpdrJay: Someone needs to write a book on how to treat an awkward looking drag queen/transvestite.

or you could just treat everyone(even those you find icky) with respect Wheaton's Law, Golden Rule, etc) then you wouldn't have to worry about it.


So like if someone comes into your assistance office dressed as a pimp, making odd pimp related statements. you should treat him just like a regular applicant.  Got it.


/Even if was really a white shirt and the pimp costume was only part of a B-Roll
 
2013-05-08 12:53:49 PM  

SpdrJay: Voiceofreason01: SpdrJay: Someone needs to write a book on how to treat an awkward looking drag queen/transvestite.

or you could just treat everyone(even those you find icky) with respect Wheaton's Law, Golden Rule, etc) then you wouldn't have to worry about it.

Well when a friend of mine got silly looking glasses, I told him he had silly looking glasses.

How do you tell a transvestite that they are silly looking?


When I was a kid, Mom told me never to comment on how anyone else looks unless you can honestly say something complimentary.
 
2013-05-08 12:56:21 PM  

Fusilier: SpdrJay: Voiceofreason01: SpdrJay: Someone needs to write a book on how to treat an awkward looking drag queen/transvestite.

or you could just treat everyone(even those you find icky) with respect Wheaton's Law, Golden Rule, etc) then you wouldn't have to worry about it.

Well when a friend of mine got silly looking glasses, I told him he had silly looking glasses.

How do you tell a transvestite that they are silly looking?

When I was a kid, Mom told me never to comment on how anyone else looks unless you can honestly say something complimentary.


Guess I won't be speaking or posting on Fark ever again....
 
2013-05-08 12:58:00 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: So like if someone comes into your assistance office dressed as a pimp, making odd pimp related statements. you should treat him just like a regular applicant.  Got it.

/Even if was really a white shirt and the pimp costume was only part of a B-Roll


Are you implying that you would deny them assistance that they were legally entitled to because you disagree with their lifestyle? You don't have to like everyone, you don't have to agree with them, you(mostly) don't even have to help them to do something that you find immoral but you do need to treat them with the same basic level of dignity and respect that you would expect to be treated with.

/The answer to your question is "yes"
 
2013-05-08 01:05:45 PM  
Well at least she has a wife with hopefully some fashion sense in exchange for being able to play with those breasts all these years.
 
2013-05-08 01:08:53 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: So like if someone comes into your assistance office dressed as a pimp, making odd pimp related statements. you should treat him just like a regular applicant.  Got it.

/Even if was really a white shirt and the pimp costume was only part of a B-Roll

Are you implying that you would deny them assistance that they were legally entitled to because you disagree with their lifestyle? You don't have to like everyone, you don't have to agree with them, you(mostly) don't even have to help them to do something that you find immoral but you do need to treat them with the same basic level of dignity and respect that you would expect to be treated with.

/The answer to your question is "yes"


Why yes, if they asked me to assist in a enterprise that was illegal in locality, I would.

But more relevant, If they were acting like they were trying to punk me, I'd call them on it.  You did pick up the implied simile to a real event contained in my hypothetical, right?  Some people try to be absurd to provoke a reaction.  If you act oblivious to it, it can make YOU look stupid.

www.nypost.com
 
2013-05-08 01:13:19 PM  
Better amplify that "I would" was meant as an answer to the question "would you deny them"
 
2013-05-08 01:55:35 PM  
So CSB time.

When I was a kid we had this guy who would come around 3 or 4 times each summer to sell my Dad pool supplies (bulk chlorine, bromine, tester kits, etc). He was a tall, lanky, goofy looking sort of a guy and my Mom always whispered after he left that she thought he might be gay. The summer I turned 16 he shows up at our door dressed in high heels, mini skirt, a tight fitting see through white blouse and the most god awful brown wig I'd ever seen. I was the only one home at the time and I didn't know what to do so I let him go out to the pump house and do some water testing while I called my Dad at work. Didn't know what to say so I just told him Ken the pool guy had dropped by and he told me he'd be home in 5 minutes.

Well to say the shiat hit the fan when I introduced my Dad to "Karen the pool lady" would be no small exaggeration. The look on my Dad's face was farking priceless. He turned to me, told me to go in the house and then proceeded to tell Ken that he'd rather not have him come by anymore.

To this day some 30 years later I still laugh my ass off whenever I think of the look on my old man's face when Karen shook his hand.
 
2013-05-08 02:04:35 PM  

The One True TheDavid: NiceBeaver:

Dear Author - He's still a he.

FTFA: "Doctors can't explain or remedy her condition." Who are they quoting, him or the doctors?

I'm not a doctor and I can explain it: mental problems. But then because I'm not a "helping professional" I don't stand to make any money by persuading him otherwise, prescribing more female hormones or doing elective surgery on his private parts.

But considering how I feel about overpopulation maybe I should advise more people to get a "sex change." You know, "SAVE THE PLANET, HACK OFF YOUR JUNK!" Just refer your wives & girlfriends to me too, I can be very consoling. And the more men get "changed" the more consoling I can be.

By the way, did Chris Corda ever complete the process?


Even if it's doctors, it's not like they are immune to PC bullshiat.  It's a dude.  An ugly dude.  An ugly dude in drag.  Chop of his wang, and it's simply an ugly dude in drag without a wang.
 
2013-05-08 02:16:16 PM  
Well, good for it... uh... her.
 
2013-05-08 02:17:30 PM  

umad: DmGdDawg:

I'm trying to keep up... is this Don/Dawn a weirdo we can make fun of or is he a hero like Jason Collins? I guess I'll withhold making sport until I see if Obama gives him a call to congratulate him.

Make fun of whoever you want. Then we will make fun of you for being an ignorant bigot.


Bigot perhaps. But stop calling everybody who doesn't agree with your dogma "ignorant" at least till you look up the damn word. Here, I'll help:

ignorant
Adjective
1. Unknowledgeable or uneducated; characterized by ignorance.
2. (slang) Ill-mannered, crude. His manner was at best off-hand, at worst totally ignorant.

ignorance:
noun
1. The condition of being uninformed or uneducated. Lack of knowledge or information. Leaving aside the slang sense, which is silly and only made it in because wiktionary is edited primarily by descriptivists, I'll wager that DmGdDawg is not ignorant: he knows exactly what this stuff is about and what he's supposed to think and say about it. He simply refuses to kowtow.

What you might mean is that he is rebellious, insubordinate and heretical. I.e. that he refuses to accept your "authority" over these terms and concepts under discussion.

Which obviously bothers you to no end: you've surrendered your mind to PC so of course you have to damn everybody who won't.

But don't get upset, and whatever you do don't start trying to think for yourself. You know how bad your head hurts when you do that. It's much better for you that you stay in the PC conga line wearing your lampshade. Of course we're only laughing at you because we're "ignorant." Really.

HTH! HAND!

TheDavidTM
 
2013-05-08 02:28:38 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Which obviously bothers you to no end: you've surrendered your mind to PC


lol. That might be the first time anybody has ever accused me of being politically correct. Political correctness has jack shiat to do with my feelings on the matter. I support them because what they choose to do with their bodies and their lives doesn't affect me in the slightest. My choices shouldn't affect them either.

But don't get upset, and whatever you do don't start trying to think for yourself.

So we can think for ourselves, but transexuals can't. Got it.
 
2013-05-08 02:34:03 PM  
Myria:

Many of us prayed to God when we were little to either change our gender or make us feel OK with our gender, but God never answered.

Well I'm with you there: when I was a little kid I prayed for help with the hell that was my life. And it only got worse.


Either she is indifferent to our suffering, or she doesn't exist.

Or maybe "It's a sonofabiatch." Look at what the Holy Bible says It did to Job just to win a bet.

And by the way, my drag name was Jonni. But I always was, and still am, male and proud of it. Jonni got me wined & dined & flattered a bit when I was young & insecure, but the issue of "transition" never came up. Why give up being a prettyboy who's hung like a donkey before you have to? And even so all I gave up was the prettyboy part.

Hint: if you people have to transition MTF start the process before your mid-20s. By the time you're 30 you'll always look like a guy in drag, unless you're rich enough for INTENSIVE plastic surgery. And you still might come out looking like Jocelyn Wildenstein.

Anyway. I'm still fairly well hung, even though I'm so old, fat & ugly you'd much rather take my word for it. If only I still had the bandwidth for chatroulette...
 
2013-05-08 02:35:38 PM  
Looks like fairly textbook male pattern baldness, which is caused by normal healthy levels of male hormone. One would think if he had an "unusual hormone imbalance" from childhood on, he would have maintained his hair.
 
2013-05-08 02:35:57 PM  
DmGdDawg:

Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.

Would you rather your god be a fascist asshole?

Read Job, then get back to us on that.
 
2013-05-08 02:38:09 PM  
I know that people don't wake up one day and decide "hey!  I wanna be a chick/dude!"  It's something they've known from the moment they had awareness.  I have known two transpeople, one female to male, the other male to female.  The FtM overall had by far the better experience.  Always known as a tomboy, no one was shocked when then-she came out as lesbian, then as trans.  As far as I know he never got the full surgery--it's pretty hard to build a working penis--but I know he's married and adopted his wife's two kids and everyone's happy.  Male to female?  There are few things worse than being a woman trapped in the body of a six-eight three-hundred-twenty-pound black guy.  I'm surprised she didn't kill herself long before she did.  I was as supportive as I could be, but she knew she'd never be looked at as anything other than a big black guy in drag.

Maybe if you were close to it, you'd understand.  No one goes into this thinking that everyone's going to love them and accept them--in fact, they usually prepare for the worst and often receive it.  As long as you know what you're getting into?  Go for it.

/RIP Rachel
//glad you're happy, Stephen
 
2013-05-08 02:55:19 PM  

Voiceofreason01: SpdrJay:

How do you tell a transvestite that they are silly looking?

Let me ask you a different question: Your friend is undergoing chemo and lost their hair, how do you tell them that they look like shiat?


That depends on how the person looks bald. For some it's an improvement. Of course chemo often makes a person look like shiat in other ways too, and s/he will know it; if your friend asks "Do I look like shiat?" you answer "Honestly, yeah."

What you might mean is "Do you lie to your friend?" or "Do you assume your friend is stupid?" If you're a good real friend you don't.

I love my sister very much and I still tell her she's chubby. And I should know, I'm chubby too. The difference is if we weren't related I'd fark her in a heartbeat, but a person looking like me I'd run from. (That girl was always prettier, dammit.)

Really. I'm really a very nice person, but I'd rather just be friends. On the phone. Long distance. Seriously. I have many sterling qualities, but hotness ain't one of 'em. Not on this planet anyway. ("So take my money and STFU, you silly ho.")

So, to answer your question, you say "That look is really just not YOU."
 
2013-05-08 02:59:48 PM  

umad: The One True TheDavid:

But don't get upset, and whatever you do don't start trying to think for yourself.

So we can think for ourselves, but transexuals can't. Got it.


No, you can't.

Some trannies can, they're just "off."
 
2013-05-08 03:01:11 PM  

The One True TheDavid: DmGdDawg:


Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.

Would you rather your god be a fascist asshole?

Read Job, then get back to us on that.


You shouldn't confuse hating God with God not existing. I hate cancer, communism and child molesters. All three are definitely for reals, though. The truth is, God does exist and if you don't like Him now it isn't going to be better for you in hell for eternity. God loved you enough to send His only begotten Son to die for you so you could have everlasting life in a perfect body and perfect world. If you reject His Son, you'll find that the worst this world has to offer is nothing compared to God's wrath abiding on you for eternity.

As always, I'll be glad to share with you how you can freely receive the life and life more abundantly that God offers through Jesus Christ. Being a child of God for eternity is infinitely better than being God's enemy for eternity. If you're interested let me know.
 
2013-05-08 03:17:54 PM  

DmGdDawg: The One True TheDavid: DmGdDawg:

Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.

Would you rather your god be a fascist asshole?

Read Job, then get back to us on that.

You shouldn't confuse hating God with God not existing. I hate cancer, communism and child molesters. All three are definitely for reals, though. The truth is, God does exist and if you don't like Him now it isn't going to be better for you in hell for eternity.


If your God exists he is a fascist asshole. That he'd send me to hell forever for saying so proves it, if you're correct about both. Of course I'll never know the whole truth while I'm alive, but I can say it's much better to believe he doesn't exist than to "love" a god like that.

 As always, I'll be glad to share with you how you can freely receive the life and life more abundantly that God offers through Jesus Christ. Being a child of God for eternity is infinitely better than being God's enemy for eternity. If you're interested let me know.

No thanks. I'd rather be a tranny.
 
2013-05-08 03:18:16 PM  

DmGdDawg: The One True TheDavid: DmGdDawg:

Yep, because if the God who made you doesn't give you the life you want to have He must not exist.

Would you rather your god be a fascist asshole?

Read Job, then get back to us on that.

You shouldn't confuse hating God with God not existing. I hate cancer, communism and child molesters. All three are definitely for reals, though. The truth is, God does exist and if you don't like Him now it isn't going to be better for you in hell for eternity. God loved you enough to send His only begotten Son to die for you so you could have everlasting life in a perfect body and perfect world. If you reject His Son, you'll find that the worst this world has to offer is nothing compared to God's wrath abiding on you for eternity.

As always, I'll be glad to share with you how you can freely receive the life and life more abundantly that God offers through Jesus Christ. Being a child of God for eternity is infinitely better than being God's enemy for eternity. If you're interested let me know.


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