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(CNN)   You used to be cool, Nintendo. What happened?   (money.cnn.com) divider line 40
    More: Sad, Nintendo, Microsoft Kinect, Super Mario Brothers, Shigeru Miyamoto, SNE, third-party developers, Wii U., GameCube  
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2013-05-08 08:19:08 AM
that article sucked.
 
2013-05-08 08:24:32 AM
Greetings from the Nintendo generation. We grew up. The games got boring.
 
2013-05-08 08:27:19 AM
1995 subby.
 
2013-05-08 08:30:01 AM
I dunno, I'd love to play an HD version of Mario-Kart Wii, or a brand new Super Mario RPG. Heck, I'd pay to play a HD, upgraded version of Chrono Trigger or Super Metroid (not a sequel, just a remake, top-down/platform style).

A another version of Super Mario 3? New levels, same basic premise? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Instead, we get Mario Party after Party. Tighten up those graphics, release a few classics-made-modern, and you've got some promise, Nintendo. You won't beat my PC gaming (Mario is not Mass Effect), but sometimes I want to play something simpler, something else, something nostalgic.
 
2013-05-08 08:31:42 AM
Selling 3.45 million when your target is 4 million is "badly missing"?  I agree it's not good, but selling 86% of your target doesn't seem terrible, just poor.
 
2013-05-08 08:39:55 AM
Naming the console Wii U was a huge mistake. It gives the impression that it's just an upgrade for the Wii, instead of a legitimate entry in the next console generation. It shines a spotlight on the fact that the processor is underpowered compared to the PS4 and Durango/720. The phonetics of it is also just incredibly horrid. You can't say "Wii U" without torturing the front of your mouth and sounding embarrassing and silly.
 
2013-05-08 08:50:41 AM
Nintendo hasn't been cool since the sega genesis came out...

Genesis ha more "edge"
3d0 beat everybody to 32 bit
Playstation took that ball an ran with it
Xbox 360 kicks serious ass when I doesnt die a fiery death
Ps3 has bluray.

In all that time, the only cool thing Nintendo has done is a wiggle stick.
 
2013-05-08 08:57:12 AM

Tommy Moo: Naming the console Wii U was a huge mistake. It gives the impression that it's just an upgrade for the Wii, instead of a legitimate entry in the next console generation. It shines a spotlight on the fact that the processor is underpowered compared to the PS4 and Durango/720. The phonetics of it is also just incredibly horrid. You can't say "Wii U" without torturing the front of your mouth and sounding embarrassing and silly.


Not just that
wiiublog.com
www.chip.de

Honestly, their biggest mistake was trying to ride the "Best XMas toy" hype past the two(!) xmas' that it worked for them.  Most hot xmas toys only get one year hype.

No one wants a beannie baby anymore, and no one wants a "motion control" WiiU.  Thats the old toy.
 
2013-05-08 09:01:10 AM
"We still cool! We still cool! you play later! PLAY LATER!"
 
2013-05-08 09:05:19 AM

Katie98_KT: that article sucked.


It's from CNN. I'm surprised it didn't include an unsubstantiated, yet reported-as-true, rumor about Miyamato going on a shooting rampage.
 
2013-05-08 09:14:11 AM

ThreadSinger: A another version of Super Mario 3? New levels, same basic premise? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat


The New Super Mario Brothers games are basically exactly that.  NSMBU is an absolutely gorgeous game.  It's everything that 7-year-old-you-in-1988 thought that a Mario game would be like in 25 years.

Anyway, this article sucked, and was plainly written by someone with barely a passing knowledge in both finance, and pretty much completely misses the point of Nintendo as a video game company.
 
2013-05-08 09:31:27 AM
Nintendo is still making a profit, which is after all, the whole point of their strategy.
 
2013-05-08 09:35:29 AM
I can't argue that Nintendo hasn't made some serious missteps recently, but Adrian Covert is only the last in a long line of "experts" who have convinced themselves they know what Nintendo's problem is -- and are usually proven woefully wrong -- going back 20 or more years.

Right now I'm not convinced either Sony or Microsoft will still be interested in video games anymore by 2020.  Unless Nintendo manages to go bankrupt before then -- and even though their products are underperforming right now, I don't see that as very likely -- they still will be.
 
2013-05-08 09:45:19 AM

ThreadSinger: I dunno, I'd love to play an HD version of Mario-Kart Wii, or a brand new Super Mario RPG. Heck, I'd pay to play a HD, upgraded version of Chrono Trigger or Super Metroid (not a sequel, just a remake, top-down/platform style).


Yes. Yes. Yes.

ThreadSinger: A another version of Super Mario 3? New levels, same basic premise? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Instead, we get Mario Party after Party. Tighten up those graphics, release a few classics-made-modern, and you've got some promise, Nintendo. You won't beat my PC gaming (Mario is not Mass Effect), but sometimes I want to play something simpler, something else, something nostalgic.


Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I am down with all of that.
 
2013-05-08 09:46:38 AM
You've got 3 competing game consoles all deciding they need to cost as much as a new TV you're gonna have to make choices.

Nintendo decided to be all stand alone. I can't even remember if you can a dvd on their system.

If I'm gonna spend that kind of cash on a console, it better do more than let me make jerk off jokes with the controller.
 
2013-05-08 10:01:47 AM
Nintendo was never cool
 
2013-05-08 10:52:05 AM

poot_rootbeer: I can't argue that Nintendo hasn't made some serious missteps recently, but Adrian Covert is only the last in a long line of "experts" who have convinced themselves they know what Nintendo's problem is -- and are usually proven woefully wrong -- going back 20 or more years.

Right now I'm not convinced either Sony or Microsoft will still be interested in video games anymore by 2020.  Unless Nintendo manages to go bankrupt before then -- and even though their products are underperforming right now, I don't see that as very likely -- they still will be.


Unless one of the consoles utterly fails, they will both still be in the console business. It is one of the best segments for both of them.

The biggest thin the WiiU needs is some games to sell the system. Right now they have some minor casual things and delayed ports (that often run poorly). If you are trying to sell a system you can basically refer to NSMBU, Nintendoland and Zombie U.

When they get a 3D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pikmin 3 and Bayonetta 2 it will be more interesting to see where they sit.
 
2013-05-08 10:57:07 AM
I'm sorry the Wii U is a not very good product. You have this tablet thingy that isn't even multi touch, and charging the thing is stupidly done. Then there is the whole having to update the Wii U as soon as you get it (Have they fixed that yet?), and if anything happens while you're doing this your Wii U will be bricked. I'm amazed that they've sold as many of the Wii U as they have. It doesn't help that they're already saying that such and such game isn't going to ever be on the Wii U because the developers don't think its powerful enough.

Nintendo you had a chance and you blew it.
 
2013-05-08 11:11:57 AM
Can we get a new MarioKart for Wii?

Please?
 
2013-05-08 11:42:32 AM

bbfreak: charging the thing is stupidly done.


Do you even own one?  You literally just plug an AC charger into it, or put it on the cradle.  Alternatively, unplug the cable from the cradle, and use that.  You even get multiple low-battery warnings.
 
2013-05-08 12:30:11 PM

Tommy Moo: Naming the console Wii U was a huge mistake. It gives the impression that it's just an upgrade for the Wii, instead of a legitimate entry in the next console generation. It shines a spotlight on the fact that the processor is underpowered compared to the PS4 and Durango/720. The phonetics of it is also just incredibly horrid. You can't say "Wii U" without torturing the front of your mouth and sounding embarrassing and silly.


Its the sounds emergency vehicles make.

wiiiiiiiiuuu wiiiiiiuuu wiiiiiuuuuu
 
2013-05-08 12:50:16 PM
I want an actual sequel to Super Mario RPG.

Same setting, characters, references to things that happened beforehand...

I dunno. I'm not one for OMFG GRAPHICS EVERYWHERE MUST HAVE GRAPHICS! I'm playing XCOM for the 360 right now (Yes, I'm delayed), and the uplift in graphics between it and the original (the ones I've played) are... orgasmic. But even the 'piss-poor' graphics of a Wii/WiiU would handle the uplit as well.

But... the type of games I play on console? jRPGs (I'm going to have to rob my cousin's boyfriend for his copy of Vesperia), wRPGs (Skyrim), Random Sandbox Game (Dead Rising 2, Just Cause 2), Random Button Masher (Conan), and Strategery (Civilization Revolution, Halo Wars, XCOM).

I don't know much beyond 'gimmicky' games and the generic stable of Nintendo stuff, which I generally don't like. Admittedly, I pay more attention to the PC'verse...
 
2013-05-08 01:01:41 PM
He's kind of right. Nintendo doesn't really court older gamers. It wants to be the thing kids and teens beg their parents to buy them. That means it doesn't need to play DVDs or house an entire home entertainment system, because the parents normally already have one of those. And because it doesn't, it can cost only $200-250 while the PS3 cost around $400 when it was released. And that's absolutely worked for them. They have a monopoly on that corner of the market, and it's making them money.
 
2013-05-08 01:01:55 PM
I haven't touched my Wii in a year or so.  And judging from the aisles at the local Target and Walmart, those Wii U systems aren't exactly flying off the shelves (even during the winter holidays).  Unless they come up with some gimmick or must have game franchise that is strictly Wii U only, I doubt sales will increase in the future especially with the next next gen systems being released later this year.
 
2013-05-08 02:47:49 PM

ignacio: He's kind of right. Nintendo doesn't really court older gamers. It wants to be the thing kids and teens beg their parents to buy them. That means it doesn't need to play DVDs or house an entire home entertainment system, because the parents normally already have one of those. And because it doesn't, it can cost only $200-250 while the PS3 cost around $400 when it was released. And that's absolutely worked for them. They have a monopoly on that corner of the market, and it's making them money.


Also, non-gamers in general.  I don't like video games for the most part, but I dig a lot of the simpler Wii games.
 
2013-05-08 03:24:11 PM
Nintendo consciously targeted the Wii towards casual gamers or non-gamers. A family-friendly console, great for party games. That was smart at the time because it allowed the Wii to be less powerful and therefore cheaper to make than the Xbox 360 and the PS3 which are better suited for hardcore gamers.

The problem now is: Casual gamers just don't feel the need for the newest hardware upgrade when their old machine still works perfectly, especially if they didn't get a lot of use out of it in the last year. Currently there is nothing out there telling them: "A WiiU is so much more fun than the Wii that it justifies the XYZ dollar purchase of the new machine."
 
2013-05-08 04:27:03 PM

ignacio: He's kind of right. Nintendo doesn't really court older gamers. It wants to be the thing kids and teens beg their parents to buy them. That means it doesn't need to play DVDs or house an entire home entertainment system, because the parents normally already have one of those. And because it doesn't, it can cost only $200-250 while the PS3 cost around $400 when it was released. And that's absolutely worked for them. They have a monopoly on that corner of the market, and it's making them money.


No. It WAS making them money. That ship has sailed.
 
2013-05-08 07:15:16 PM
So far I like the Wii U better than the Wii, not that that's saying much.  I was skeptical of it and said I wouldn't bother getting one, but then I got one for Xmas.  I like the gamepad thing although sometimes it's annoying to have to look down and back up again depending on the game or if you have to stare at the gamepad only depending on which player you are.  However, I think they used the tech in a more interesting way than the Wii Mote was used.  There's only so many games where I want to jerk the wii mote up and down for so long to do some arbitrary task.  It's better than people think it is in my opinion, but again that isn't saying much.  If you don't have a lot of disposable income, I could see why you wouldn't bother purchasing one.
 
2013-05-08 07:26:48 PM

ThreadSinger: A another version of Super Mario 3? New levels, same basic premise? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Instead, we get Mario Party after Party.


You've, uh, not really been paying attention to the Wii/Wii U lineup have you...?

www.howlongtobeat.comupload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-08 07:51:38 PM
www.computercloset.org

Oh, they're still making new video game consoles? That's cool... I'll just be sitting over here playing the greatest system that will ever be made.
 
2013-05-08 08:52:14 PM

jbull217: Oh, they're still making new video game consoles? That's cool... I'll just be sitting over here playing the greatest system that will ever be made.


I love you. Illbleed and SA2 are the two games that make me fondly remember the Dreamcast as my favorite system.

Jet Grind Radio too actually.
 
2013-05-08 09:05:04 PM
All you need to know about how bad this article is the next to last paragraph:

but looking at the success that companies like Square Enix have had reissuing its Final Fantasy titles on the iPhone, what real harm is there in offering games like Super Mario Brothers? Nobody is going to buy a Nintendo 3DS just to download that from the eStore.

Yes, let's give away the IP which is literally keeping their console business afloat. Right. Very smart.
 
2013-05-08 09:09:52 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
Wii U wii U wii U wiiiiiiiiiiiii....

/Nintendo is going to kill itself by continuing to chase casuals but not embracing mobile devices
//I would literally kill for a smartphone app that turned my phone into an emulated GameBoy complete with their library of classic games
 
2013-05-08 09:18:50 PM

Iczer: You've, uh, not really been paying attention to the Wii/Wii U lineup have you...?


To be fair, those are both versions of New Super Mario Bros. (DS), which neither looks nor feels like Super Mario Bros. 3.

There also isn't the same kind of reinvention between installments that used to happen in the series.  Super Mario 1 to 2 to 3 to World was an order of magnitude improvement each time.

New DS to Wii to U has done what, added new levels and a couple novelty powerups?  It's like going from Super Mario 1 to Lost Levels.
 
2013-05-08 09:20:02 PM

jbull217: I'll just be sitting over here playing the greatest system that will ever be made.


Oh hey look, an enormous controller with a screen embedded in it.

I do wonder wherever Nintendo got that revolutionary idea.
 
2013-05-08 10:00:12 PM

Mister Keeper: Selling 3.45 million when your target is 4 million is "badly missing"?  I agree it's not good, but selling 86% of your target doesn't seem terrible, just poor.


Their initial projection was 5.5 million. They realized they weren't going to hit that and then revised their projection down to 4 million. Then they failed to meet that one too. Does that sound more terrible now?
 
2013-05-08 10:30:58 PM

poot_rootbeer: Iczer: You've, uh, not really been paying attention to the Wii/Wii U lineup have you...?

To be fair, those are both versions of New Super Mario Bros. (DS), which neither looks nor feels like Super Mario Bros. 3.

There also isn't the same kind of reinvention between installments that used to happen in the series.  Super Mario 1 to 2 to 3 to World was an order of magnitude improvement each time.

New DS to Wii to U has done what, added new levels and a couple novelty powerups?  It's like going from Super Mario 1 to Lost Levels.


Except that was exactly one of the things he was wanting, new levels but the same premise. Plus, SMB2 wasn't really a Mario game.
 
2013-05-09 05:48:22 AM
Nintendo's real problem is that it has never quite had the courage to tell the people ruining gaming -the fratcore- to go fark themselves. Whenever it gets close to actually starting to push these people back to the fringe where they belong, third-party devs revolt and Nintendo caves to the pressure. The Wii U is a perfect example: after a generation of getting back to the things that matter, Nintendo went all-in for a system that offers nothing new but pretty pictures, alienating healthier gamers who want better games while going for a market they (rightfully) alienated long ago.
 
2013-05-09 09:43:25 AM

poot_rootbeer: To be fair, those are both versions of New Super Mario Bros. (DS), which neither looks nor feels like Super Mario Bros. 3.


NSMBU is basically exactly the same format as SMB3.

-Theme-based worlds with multiple levels, and levels that are optional for progressing through the game
-Mid-world castles and final boss castles
-Airships
-Mushroom houses and 1-UP games
-Fast-travel with pipes
-Mid-world specialty enemy fights, like the Hammer Brothers

Plus it's got elements of SMW:

-Ghost houses
-Sunken ship
-Multiple exit points to levels
-Yoshi

If someone were to claim that NSMBU neither looks nor feels desperately like SMB3, I would urge them to play both again, because it's very obvious that it's been a while since they'd played at least one of them.
 
2013-05-09 06:56:43 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: If someone were to claim that NSMBU neither looks nor feels desperately like SMB3, I would urge them to play both again, because it's very obvious that it's been a while since they'd played at least one of them.


Haven't played NSMBU but do own NSMBWii and the controls feel like lukewarm cheese dip, which is a bad enough problem on its own without 3 other players with the potential to nudge you to your death. Feels nothing like the pixel-thin precision SMB3 gives you.
How is NSMBU on that front?
 
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