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2013-05-08 09:11:24 AM  
I do that with porn.
 
2013-05-08 09:11:57 AM  
While I enjoyed the trailer (C'mon, Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley? Farking A!), I'm not so big of a nerd that I have to pick it apart. I enjoyed it for what it was...a bog standard trailer that sets up the basic concept of the film for those unfamiliar with the book. It was generic, at best, and that's not a bad thing in this case.
 
2013-05-08 09:27:36 AM  
My brain keeps screaming about Starship Troopers, I, Robot and John Carter...but I'm still hoping for Lord of the Rings.
 
2013-05-08 09:36:36 AM  

Weidbrewer: My brain keeps screaming about Starship Troopers, I, Robot and John Carter...but I'm still hoping for Lord of the Rings.


Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation. The others were...mediocre at best, and "What the fark did I just waste my time on?" at worst.
 
2013-05-08 09:43:46 AM  
What a load of crap.

That trailer had nothing about teenage kids taking over the world via insightful blog posts.
 
2013-05-08 09:47:18 AM  
Looks like an updated re-make of the 'The Last Star-Fighter'.
www.explore-science-fiction-movies.com
 
2013-05-08 09:51:04 AM  
I dont get it. Just wait for the movie. People spend so much time tearing apart what's going to be 2 hours of their life, tops.
 
2013-05-08 09:53:05 AM  
Boy, Ford sounds old now. He and Clint Eastwood could have a rasp-off.
 
2013-05-08 10:01:11 AM  

GameSprocket: Boy, Ford sounds old now. He and Clint Eastwood could have a rasp-off.


You can hear the regret in his voice. Years ago he gave up on his dreams of a carpentry career. It haunts him still.
 
2013-05-08 10:20:41 AM  
shatner_get_a_life.jpg
 
2013-05-08 10:27:32 AM  
When I read the story part of it was how he always thought he was training and it wasent reveled to him until the end that what he was doing was real. OR maybe I got it wrong its been a long time since I read it.
 
2013-05-08 10:31:10 AM  
I didn't know they were making a movie out of this.  For years I'd heard of it and never bothered reading it, and oddly this weekend I was looking for something to download to my Kindle and came across the book collection for this one for 4.99 and downloaded it.  I'm about half way through the first book now, seems pretty decent though obviously geared towards teenagers.

As for the casting, Ford seems appropriate as the Colonel.  That Hailey chick was great in True Grit, it will be neat to see how well she does in another role.  I didn't recognize any of the other kids.
 
2013-05-08 10:33:23 AM  

moothemagiccow: I dont get it. Just wait for the movie. People spend so much time tearing apart what's going to be 2 hours of their life, tops.


Obsessives obsess.
 
2013-05-08 10:35:11 AM  

BigMevy: I didn't know they were making a movie out of this.  For years I'd heard of it and never bothered reading it, and oddly this weekend I was looking for something to download to my Kindle and came across the book collection for this one for 4.99 and downloaded it.  I'm about half way through the first book now, seems pretty decent though obviously geared towards teenagers.

As for the casting, Ford seems appropriate as the Colonel.  That Hailey chick was great in True Grit, it will be neat to see how well she does in another role.  I didn't recognize any of the other kids.


Movie adaptations of books geared towards teenagers (Twilight, Hunger Games, Harry Potter) do well at the box office these days.
 
2013-05-08 10:35:52 AM  

Tax Boy: That trailer had nothing about teenage kids taking over the world via insightful blog posts.


So much this.
 
2013-05-08 10:38:58 AM  

Wingchild: Movie adaptations of books geared towards teenagers (Twilight, Hunger Games, Harry Potter) do well at the box office these days.


Very true.  I'm sure it'll do well as long as they put enough emo and teenage romance into it.
 
2013-05-08 11:01:11 AM  
This could be the best movie in the history of movies, but I'm not going to see it.  OSC is a piece of shiat and I'm not going to spend money on anything that might support him.
 
2013-05-08 11:01:45 AM  
In frame 447 you can clearly see Orson Scott Card masturbating with a cross in the corner.....
 
2013-05-08 11:06:45 AM  
Jesus people, just because Locke and Demosthenes aren't in the trailer doesn't mean they aren't in the movie.  You're also acting like its the best and most critical part of the book, which it isn't (though its a great storyline and I would love to see it in the movie).  Relax.
 
2013-05-08 11:09:20 AM  
I knew they wouldn't be able to use kids of the correct age for the movie, too much violence. Kind of defeats half the rhetorical point of the novel though.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:40 AM  
Also, unless he misspoke, the kid playing Ender has basically confirmed that the Mind Game will be in the movie.

http://io9.com/the-insane-lengths-enders-game-went-to-fake-filming-i n- 478522442
 
2013-05-08 11:11:06 AM  
Does it reveal why the author is a homophobic bigot and Bush apologist?
 
2013-05-08 11:19:50 AM  

PizzaJedi81: Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation.


I thought the thinking on Starship Troopers is that it is not an adaptation, but a criticism.  And when viewed that way it is brilliant.

/or something.  when I first saw it, I was a teen and I liked that there were space marines and boobs.
 
2013-05-08 11:35:04 AM  

manimal2878: PizzaJedi81: Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation.

I thought the thinking on Starship Troopers is that it is not an adaptation, but a criticism.  And when viewed that way it is brilliant.

/or something.  when I first saw it, I was a teen and I liked that there were space marines and boobs.


I agree.  Starship Troopers is one of the strange instances where the movie adaptation is actually a critique and denunciation of the source material.
 
2013-05-08 11:40:32 AM  
Ender's Game is one of the most overrated novels I've ever read in my life. I remember that for years I was hearing sci-fi nerds rave about how great it was, but when I finally read it I was incredibly underwhelmed. It's the literary equivalent of Blade Runner.

Probably the biggest reason I didn't like Ender's Game is because the protagonist is such a whiny, unlikable emo douche.
 
2013-05-08 11:41:05 AM  

Esc7: manimal2878: PizzaJedi81: Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation.

I thought the thinking on Starship Troopers is that it is not an adaptation, but a criticism.  And when viewed that way it is brilliant.

/or something.  when I first saw it, I was a teen and I liked that there were space marines and boobs.

I agree.  Starship Troopers is one of the strange instances where the movie adaptation is actually a critique and denunciation of the source material.


Everyone I ever see say that has never, ever actually read Starship Troopers. They've generally only even read oddball deconstructions of it, which intentionally frame the short story as some kind of military grandstanding, which it wasn't.
 
2013-05-08 11:53:34 AM  
aren't movie trailers put together by outside companies, with some clips provided by the movie makers?

isn't it common that clips used in trailers end up getting cut from the final movie?

so why would anyone bother in dissecting a trailer?

I liked the book, will see the movie, have no interest in the trailer.
 
2013-05-08 11:54:11 AM  

Tax Boy: What a load of crap.

That trailer had nothing about teenage kids taking over the world via insightful blog posts.


The D&L subplot feels a bit inane now, but its easy to forget how sharp it is. In 1985 he correctly predicted that the nascent internet would create a virally-spreading, egalitarian information flow that would allow lay outsiders to become opinion-shapers. Impressive, in my opinion. We can chuckle about teenage political bloggers, but as a concept it's pretty damn forward-thinking for thirty years ago.

But it is still a silly plot. Card saw that the internet would mean everyone could publish online, and saw that his characters would too, but he didn't follow that chain of thought long enough to foresee the information overload and subsequent ideological balkanization and self-segregation that necessarily resulted from giving everyone an equal voice. But that, I suppose, is a minor thing to miss in a young adult sci-fi book about a homicidal boy who videogames a planet to death.
 
2013-05-08 12:00:52 PM  

Esc7: manimal2878: PizzaJedi81: Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation.

I thought the thinking on Starship Troopers is that it is not an adaptation, but a criticism.  And when viewed that way it is brilliant.

/or something.  when I first saw it, I was a teen and I liked that there were space marines and boobs.

I agree.  Starship Troopers is one of the strange instances where the movie adaptation is actually a critique and denunciation of the source material.


It's actually neither.

The director was already part way through making an unrelated sci-fi movie (originally supposed to be titled something like, "Bug Hunt at Outpost 84") when they heard the rights to a known sci-fi property were available. Verhoeven basically just attached the name Starship Troopers to his movie, and tweaked the script just slightly, in order to gain a little name brand recognition for an unknown, original sci-fi project. IIRC he was quite upfront at the time he was making it that he didn't care what the book was actually about.

After the fact he has claimed it was some kind of grand denoument, but that's obvious retroactive revision.

IrateShadow: This could be the best movie in the history of movies, but I'm not going to see it.  OSC is a piece of shiat and I'm not going to spend money on anything that might support him.



I want to support serious sci-fi adaptations of books like this, but I feel like you do about OSC. So I've decided to donate an equal or greater amount of the ticket price I spend to a LGBT advocacy group. OSC won't see full ticket price after the studio takes their cut, but the LGBT group I donate to will.

It's not perfect, but it will help assauge my guilt for indirectly giving money to that bigot.
 
2013-05-08 12:12:28 PM  

mongbiohazard: Esc7: manimal2878: PizzaJedi81: Starship Troopers was a decent movie, if a horrible adaptation.

I thought the thinking on Starship Troopers is that it is not an adaptation, but a criticism.  And when viewed that way it is brilliant.

/or something.  when I first saw it, I was a teen and I liked that there were space marines and boobs.

I agree.  Starship Troopers is one of the strange instances where the movie adaptation is actually a critique and denunciation of the source material.

It's actually neither.

The director was already part way through making an unrelated sci-fi movie (originally supposed to be titled something like, "Bug Hunt at Outpost 84") when they heard the rights to a known sci-fi property were available. Verhoeven basically just attached the name Starship Troopers to his movie, and tweaked the script just slightly, in order to gain a little name brand recognition for an unknown, original sci-fi project. IIRC he was quite upfront at the time he was making it that he didn't care what the book was actually about.

After the fact he has claimed it was some kind of grand denoument, but that's obvious retroactive revision.


Now THAT is incredibly interesting.  I must confess it makes some sense that way.  I've just always been bothered by how different in tone the movie was compared to the book.  The movie is drenched in satire where the book isn't.  I just always assumed Paul Verhoeven had a chip on his shoulder concerning Heinlein or something.


Carousel Beast:

Everyone I ever see say that has never, ever actually read Starship Troopers. They've generally only even read oddball deconstructions of it, which intentionally frame the short story as some kind of military grandstanding, which it wasn't.

I've read it, and I wouldn't exactly call it a short story, it's a little longish for that.

I'm not sure what you think the book is exactly about, but it definitely is not anti-military.  I thought the main thrust of the book was about civic responsibility and how that exists in our moral framework.  Maybe I was an idiot and didn't pick up on the subtle satire clues when I read it as a teenager, but it seemed pretty clear to me.
 
2013-05-08 12:13:43 PM  
This book was just as horrible as the man who wrote it.
 
2013-05-08 12:22:00 PM  
I liked the book.  I also liked Speaker for the Dead, but was not expecting the tone shift at all.

I then tried reading one of OSC's modern books, and Christ, it was nothing but denunciations of Democrats.
 
2013-05-08 12:28:21 PM  

mongbiohazard: It's actually neither.

The director was already part way through making an unrelated sci-fi movie (originally supposed to be titled something like, "Bug Hunt at Outpost 84") when they heard the rights to a known sci-fi property were available. Verhoeven basically just attached the name Starship Troopers to his movie, and tweaked the script just slightly, in order to gain a little name brand recognition for an unknown, original sci-fi project. IIRC he was quite upfront at the time he was making it that he didn't care what the book was actually about.


Neither IMDB or the Wiki page for Troopers gives any indication that this is true.  There is a quote, by Verhoeven saying he didn't finish reading the book because he found it boring, though.
 
2013-05-08 12:41:04 PM  

gingerjet: Does it reveal why the author is a homophobic bigot and Bush apologist?


I heart you.
 
2013-05-08 12:42:53 PM  

IrateShadow: This could be the best movie in the history of movies, but I'm not going to see it.  OSC is a piece of shiat and I'm not going to spend money on anything that might support him.


Oh, it's THAT guy.  Fight the good fight brother.
 
2013-05-08 12:59:33 PM  

manimal2878: mongbiohazard: It's actually neither.

The director was already part way through making an unrelated sci-fi movie (originally supposed to be titled something like, "Bug Hunt at Outpost 84") when they heard the rights to a known sci-fi property were available. Verhoeven basically just attached the name Starship Troopers to his movie, and tweaked the script just slightly, in order to gain a little name brand recognition for an unknown, original sci-fi project. IIRC he was quite upfront at the time he was making it that he didn't care what the book was actually about.

Neither IMDB or the Wiki page for Troopers gives any indication that this is true.  There is a quote, by Verhoeven saying he didn't finish reading the book because he found it boring, though.


From the wiki page of Starship Troopers (the film):
A report in an American Cinematographer article states that the Heinlein novel was optioned well into the pre-production period of the film, which had a working title of Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine; most of the writing team reportedly were unaware of the novel at the time. According to the DVD commentary, Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."[10]
 
2013-05-08 01:00:27 PM  
One of the key parts of Ender's Game, the population bomb forecast by Paul Ehrlich, has been wrong since before Paul Ehrlich wrote about it.

At least Doc Smith's idea of separating matter from mass might be the way go, where it turns out that mass is generated by a field that might be interfered with. Population's on it's way to a plateau and rebound.
 
2013-05-08 01:33:07 PM  

wildcardjack: One of the key parts of Ender's Game, the population bomb forecast by Paul Ehrlich, has been wrong since before Paul Ehrlich wrote about it.



Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember that being a factor in the book at all.
 
2013-05-08 01:35:15 PM  
This will become the movie of the year for Republican closeted homo/pedos.  They will dream about the ever homo-erotic Bonzo Madrid with his digital cock jiggling on his tablet, covering his real junk, like some sort of pixelated wrapping paper.

I bet guys like Larry Craig are gonna be wide stancing it in airports and bus stations everywhere playing it on their iphones to get their dick hards for their glory hole lunch breaks.
 
2013-05-08 01:37:27 PM  

mongbiohazard: wildcardjack: One of the key parts of Ender's Game, the population bomb forecast by Paul Ehrlich, has been wrong since before Paul Ehrlich wrote about it.


Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember that being a factor in the book at all.


Third.
 
2013-05-08 01:52:32 PM  
DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE

DO NOT GIVE AN AVOWED HATEFUL HOMOPHOBE LIKE OSC EVEN A DIME OF YOUR MONEY
 
2013-05-08 01:59:47 PM  

mongbiohazard: manimal2878: mongbiohazard: It's actually neither.

The director was already part way through making an unrelated sci-fi movie (originally supposed to be titled something like, "Bug Hunt at Outpost 84") when they heard the rights to a known sci-fi property were available. Verhoeven basically just attached the name Starship Troopers to his movie, and tweaked the script just slightly, in order to gain a little name brand recognition for an unknown, original sci-fi project. IIRC he was quite upfront at the time he was making it that he didn't care what the book was actually about.

Neither IMDB or the Wiki page for Troopers gives any indication that this is true.  There is a quote, by Verhoeven saying he didn't finish reading the book because he found it boring, though.

From the wiki page of Starship Troopers (the film):
A report in an American Cinematographer article states that the Heinlein novel was optioned well into the pre-production period of the film, which had a working title of Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine; most of the writing team reportedly were unaware of the novel at the time. According to the DVD commentary, Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."[10]


Good call, I totally read over that somehow.  I commend you for not ripping me a new one.
 
2013-05-08 02:09:54 PM  

IrateShadow: This could be the best movie in the history of movies, but I'm not going to see it.  OSC is a piece of shiat and I'm not going to spend money on anything that might support him.


Worried that he might get 2 cents from your $10 movie ticket?

If I boycotted every movie which "supported" a piece of shiat, I wouldn't see any movies.
 
2013-05-08 02:15:34 PM  

theflatline: This will become the movie of the year for Republican closeted homo/pedos.  They will dream about the ever homo-erotic Bonzo Madrid with his digital cock jiggling on his tablet, covering his real junk, like some sort of pixelated wrapping paper.

I bet guys like Larry Craig are gonna be wide stancing it in airports and bus stations everywhere playing it on their iphones to get their dick hards for their glory hole lunch breaks.


Do you even realize how homophobic you are?
 
2013-05-08 02:16:49 PM  

wildcardjack: mongbiohazard: wildcardjack: One of the key parts of Ender's Game, the population bomb forecast by Paul Ehrlich, has been wrong since before Paul Ehrlich wrote about it.


Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember that being a factor in the book at all.

Third.


/facepalm - for myself
You're right, I totally forgot about that...

I will say though that the third thing was a big deal, but they really just used it as a justification to ostracize Ender more. I don't believe population growth/size was really a big factor in the plot otherwise however.
 
2013-05-08 02:20:35 PM  

manimal2878: Good call, I totally read over that somehow. I commend you for not ripping me a new one.


To err is human, just did it myself in this very thread. I've goofed enough times myself by now to tend to try and start off being nice with my corrections, rather than launch into aggro mode immediately.
 
2013-05-08 02:22:04 PM  
I actually prefer his other series, the Alvin Maker series, over Ender's Game. Up until The Crystal City, anyway. His Mormonism really started showing through there.
 
2013-05-08 02:35:23 PM  
Orson Scott Card lives down the street from me so I'm getting a kick out of this. Well sort of, mostly I don't care.
 
2013-05-08 03:12:07 PM  

Dhusk: DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE

DO NOT GIVE AN AVOWED HATEFUL HOMOPHOBE LIKE OSC EVEN A DIME OF YOUR MONEY


Imagine a fundie nutjob who:
1. refused to watch Star Trek because Roddenberry was an atheist
2. refused to watch X-Men because Xavier used the word "evolution"
3. refused to watch Avengers because Whedon was that guy who made something with a couple of cute lesbian witches
4. refused to watch Frasier because Kelsey Grammer has fathered two children out of wedlock

That's how dumb you are being.
 
2013-05-08 03:19:44 PM  

mongbiohazard: wildcardjack: mongbiohazard: wildcardjack: One of the key parts of Ender's Game, the population bomb forecast by Paul Ehrlich, has been wrong since before Paul Ehrlich wrote about it.


Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember that being a factor in the book at all.

Third.

/facepalm - for myself
You're right, I totally forgot about that...

I will say though that the third thing was a big deal, but they really just used it as a justification to ostracize Ender more. I don't believe population growth/size was really a big factor in the plot otherwise however.


It's not a foreground topic for most of the book, but the space fleet is staffed by thirds and as soon as they win against the bugs the excess population packs up and takes over the bug planets.
 
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