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2013-05-08 10:04:27 AM  
5 votes:

scottydoesntknow: It's all video games fault!

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2013-05-08 09:06:14 AM  
4 votes:

scottydoesntknow: It's all video games fault!

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Yes, but just the other day there was an article about a pickaxe murder.  Gun violence on the decline, pickaxe violence on the rise.  I blame minecraft.
2013-05-08 09:03:58 AM  
4 votes:
It's all video games fault!

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2013-05-08 11:14:13 AM  
3 votes:

mrshowrules: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ablejack: GoldSpider: CPennypacker: My right to own an inanimate object trumps your right to live

Blatant false dichotomy is blatantly false.

The well regulated militia is well regulated.

It seems I have to post this in every gun thread, because there's someone like you who is ignorant to the fact that words and phrases change over time.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Those examples are all hyphenated.  I don't think it is hyphenated in the actual 2nd Amendment text.


Also those examples are all in Arial font whereas the constitution is old English script so they cant mean the same thing.
2013-05-08 10:15:40 AM  
3 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There are the frequent massacres to consider. We're not supposed to talk about them because it's very insensitive towards gun owners.


If you think massacres are common enough to worry about, you probably also think lottery tickets are a sound investment.
2013-05-08 12:10:22 PM  
2 votes:

Dimensio: bdub77: scottydoesntknow: It's all video games fault!

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That's because in 1996 a video game cost $20 bucks, now it's $70 bucks plus $30 worth of 'extras' they sell after you've bought the game.

What video games sold in 1996 were $20?


Madden '91
2013-05-08 10:56:37 AM  
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ablejack: GoldSpider: CPennypacker: My right to own an inanimate object trumps your right to live

Blatant false dichotomy is blatantly false.

The well regulated militia is well regulated.

It seems I have to post this in every gun thread, because there's someone like you who is ignorant to the fact that words and phrases change over time.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Those examples are all hyphenated.  I don't think it is hyphenated in the actual 2nd Amendment text.
2013-05-08 10:24:38 AM  
2 votes:

j__z: Fark Gun thread:

Wash,
rinse,
repeat


They are always good for updating my hoplophobia index.  It's disturbingly large
2013-05-08 09:50:03 AM  
2 votes:
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Authorities point to the massive sale of the cheap and easy to produce Russian Doyaselfinski Pistol which flooded U S markets as a major factor.
2013-05-08 08:10:08 AM  
2 votes:
Good. Now lets see if we can do a better job of keeping crazy people from having guns, and felons too. As long as we keep having mass killings we are going to keep having the gun control debate. Just because we have made progress on gun violence doesn't mean we can just throw our hands up in the air and accept the tragedies we keep reliving.
2013-05-09 09:12:54 AM  
1 votes:

GeneralJim: mrshowrules: The US sucks compared to other industrialized countries regardless of the metric you use.
So, move to some socialist shiat-hole.  If you do, you will perform an amazing feat: You will simultaneously increase the average I.Q. of two countries!

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I live in Canada already buddy.
2013-05-09 01:43:25 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: Yes, those tough anti gun laws in some parts are starting to pay off.

Now we need to expand on a winning strategy.

/look at where the gun violence is highest


What a retarded list...... States with low populations and a large crime ridden city are like a room with three people in it and one of them is you.....its a 33.3% retarded population.

The reality is that firearm homicides are overwhelmingly the product of gang violence/drug trade/criminal behavior.

Lets take #2 on your list as an example of how gullible you are.....Alaska with a horrifying 4.22 homicides per 100,000 people.  Erma-Gerd thats high!!!!  Except there are only 700,000 people in the whole state. Which means the number of homicides is around 30 people per year, or about 2 days worth of Chicagos death toll. Yeah, that is a really good place to start right? (I ignore #1 on the list because its Louisiana and New Orleans is insanely violent. Democrat stronghold too)

If you take gun violence by the numbers of homicides and not the per capita you find that all the most violent states....ie states where the most people die....are democrat states. Most of the country outside of the 4 largest offending cities .... All democrat strongholds with gun restrictions out the ass..... you find that our per capita hovers around 3.3 iirc. If you subtract the major population centers of every state the number simply drops off the bottom end of the chart into the abyss of statistically irrelevant numbers.

Gun homicides are a product of inner city poverty. More than 90% of all gun fatalities excluding suicides occur in large cities with high poverty rates. It doesnt matter how you massage the numbers to try and argue that no gun laws mean more gun crime, you cannot escape the fact that most people shot are poor black and hispanic males between 14-34 or whatever, i dont have the stats tattooed on my arm or anything.

4.22 per 100,000 is .00422% of the population. its statistically insignificant on a scale that beggars belief.
2013-05-08 03:59:26 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: mrshowrules: Because (as I raised in my post earlier)  the US is not exceptional.  Less/more guns in a society will lead to less/more violence.

An interesting, but false, theory:

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Yes, but we need to break handgun supply down into 'scary black assault handguns' and 'the rest'.
2013-05-08 03:43:09 PM  
1 votes:

raatz01: That doesn't mean US gun crime isn't high compared to other countries, because it is. It was just INSANE (300% worse) in the 60-80s. I'm convinced the lead poisoning causing abnormally high violent crime theory has merit.


The rise and fall corilates to florinated water.  We start to florinate the water and crime rates rise.  People start to buy bottled water and the rates start to decline.  It doesnt take a rocket sturgeon to see this.
2013-05-08 12:14:05 PM  
1 votes:
WHEN WILL WE STOP VICTIMIZING THESE POOR POOR GUN OWNERS?!?
2013-05-08 11:46:58 AM  
1 votes:

CPennypacker: the_foo: CPennypacker: It just has context that I interpret differently.

If you were advocating the repeal of the 2nd amendment, that would be an intellectually honest position which people could have an actually discussion about. You're just sticking your fingers in your ears shouting "LALALA I can't hear you" and it makes you look like a child.

Why do all of you people act like the Heller decision wasn't split and my opinion is that of a fool? Read a farking book.


I assume that you also believe that Tea Party members who dispute the Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, despite a court ruling contradicting their position, are not "fools".
2013-05-08 11:22:37 AM  
1 votes:

Ablejack: I think you and I are in agreement on this issue.


Another fault in Professor Frink's sarcasm detector, I suspect.
2013-05-08 10:44:36 AM  
1 votes:

GoldSpider: pdee: It cant be denied that the bloodbath the anti-gun crowded predicted when states started isuing has not occured.

But SANDY HOOK!!  Won't somebody think of the children??


Well I am having a Sandy Hook memorial long pig BBQ and turkey shoot where we are giving away a brand new AR-15.
2013-05-08 10:42:12 AM  
1 votes:
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Gun murders going down yet cell phone usage going up? Really the only time I think about shooting anyone is when they are talking loudly on a cell phone at the wrong time and place.
2013-05-08 10:31:17 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "The victims of gun killings are overwhelmingly male and disproportionately black, according to Bureau of Justice Statistics".

Yet it would be racist to even imply that the perpetrators of gun violence and killings are more likely to be a particular race...?
2013-05-08 10:30:02 AM  
1 votes:

GanjSmokr: HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: Home invasions are uncommon as well, so I guess you don't really need your guns.

So car accidents are uncommon, so you dont need seatbelts?

That is a dumb argument if I ever heard one.

Those of us who have fire extinguishers in our homes are just crazy paranoids as well since house fires are relatively uncommon too.


Who needs a concealable fire extinguisher capable of extinguishing a large blaze?  Only firefighters should have those as they were the only ones who should be fighting such blazes in the 1st place.
2013-05-08 10:28:43 AM  
1 votes:

cman: Normally when one throws out the "constitutional scholar" card they are usually speaking about Obama


True, another "dog-whistle" word I suppose.  Imagine if I'd said "community organizer"?
2013-05-08 10:19:00 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: Dimensio:
They were both written in the same general era, and they are both pretty much anachronisms.

You are correct; declaration of a protected liberty as an "anachronism" legally eliminates the protection, without any need for actual legislative revision.

Of course it doesn't.  That's just my opinion.  I realize it's not likely to ever go away, but it's as silly as worrying about quartering troops in your house in this day and age.  When the constitution was written, blacks were property, women couldn't vote, etc.  It's not some holy document to be worshiped as gospel.


It's just the founding principles of the entire country. We can just ignore the parts we don't like. Like free speech for those WBC assholes. Ain't nobody got time for that.
2013-05-08 10:07:18 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: pedrop357: CPennypacker: GoldSpider: CPennypacker: Overused meme is overused

Successful troll is successful.  Shame on me  :(

Hey you know where I fall on the issue. We've done this before. Let a man make a joke.

I doubt that.  Nobody in favor of gun rights talks the way you do.

I have you fav'd in derp grey for a reason.

I always thought of derp as more puce in colour.


Chartreuse, a color I had not seen. Looks to me like yellow and green.
2013-05-08 10:07:13 AM  
1 votes:

sammyk: Interesting thing about background checks. 20 years ago the Brady act was signed into law implementing actual background checks. Lo and behold 20 years later gun violence is cut in half. But I am sure there will be someone here shortly to tell us the 2 things are in no way connected.




The ban on "Assault Weapons" and high capacity magazines expired so I can claim that more people being able to arm and defend themselves with previously banned weapons contributed. to the decline.

I think it would be smarter to look at the decline in gang turf wars and drug violence during that time than gun laws or lack there of. It won't serve your agenda but it is closer to the truth.

Most "gun control" legislation is nothing more than polticians jerking off a particular constituency(If we just get rid fo those guns with flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and pistol grip stocks we will all be safer nonsense). Normally that constituency is the soccer mom for the children crowd or those who also need government to protect them from the evils of large soft drinks and trans fats is also afraid the 80 million lawful gun owners.

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2013-05-08 10:07:01 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population.

A declining rate doesn't mean jack shiat.


Good to know.  If it ever starts to rise for some reason, can we count on you to dismiss that as well?
2013-05-08 10:04:31 AM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: mrshowrules: The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population.

Is that per capita?

We have a shiatload more people then 22 other countries. Of course the raw numbers will be higher.

2013-05-08 10:02:39 AM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: nekom: soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

3rd amendment:

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

They were both written in the same general era, and they are both pretty much anachronisms.

You are correct; declaration of a protected liberty as an "anachronism" legally eliminates the protection, without any need for actual legislative revision.


Indeed.

Amendments 1, and 4-11 were also written in that time.  Time for them to relegated to figurehead status.

Come to think of it 13-15 are also pretty old.  They're only about 70 years away from those other anachronisms.  They too were written in a different time and we'll have to toss them aside eventually, might as well do it now while we're on a roll.

I do have an agenda when it comes to #13 though, I'm in favor labor reform as I've talked about before.  I'm tired of all the 13th amendment purists out there blocking sensible slavery legislation.  Laws that allow for limited slavery are constitutional, don't infringe on a person's right to attend sporting events, and would help the whole community.  They deserve a vote.
2013-05-08 10:01:33 AM  
1 votes:

pdee: It cant be denied that the bloodbath the anti-gun crowded predicted when states started isuing has not occured.


But SANDY HOOK!!  Won't somebody think of the children??
2013-05-08 10:00:04 AM  
1 votes:
Oh come on.

Everyone knows it's not how many people are being killed that matters.  What's important is how many people are being killed at once.
2013-05-08 09:58:07 AM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: I wish that folks would stop lumping suicide by gun into gun death stats.  My reason is this: If someone is determined to kill themselves, they are going to use whatever means necessary,


You say that, but the suicide rate went down 65% in Australia in the decade after their gun ban.
2013-05-08 09:57:28 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: I'm opposed to gun control proposed thus far because none of the rules proposed would actually have stopped the events that they'll alleged to be aimed at stopping.


It's very hard to stop events that have already happened. The idea is to prevent some of the future events from happening. I say some of because that is the goal - not reaching zero, reducing the likelihood.
2013-05-08 09:56:53 AM  
1 votes:

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Do we have an acceptable threshold of gun murders?  It really should be zero.


Given that same logic, you must be a member of the no-prohibitionist movement    Then again maybe you like beer and have an acceptable threshold of drunk driving deaths that is greater than zero, much like most people to do with pretty much every issue.
2013-05-08 09:56:08 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

3rd amendment:

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

They were both written in the same general era, and they are both pretty much anachronisms.


You are correct; declaration of a protected liberty as an "anachronism" legally eliminates the protection, without any need for actual legislative revision.
2013-05-08 09:54:21 AM  
1 votes:

Harry Freakstorm:

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Authorities point to the massive sale of the cheap and easy to produce Russian Doyaselfinski Pistol which flooded U S markets as a major factor.


After I shot my eye out, I buy these by the gross and give them away to new friends.
2013-05-08 09:54:20 AM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Since there is no other place to say this:

I wish that folks would stop lumping suicide by gun into gun death stats.  My reason is this: If someone is determined to kill themselves, they are going to use whatever means necessary, and all the gun laws in the world will not stop someone who has decided to off themselves.

I understand why the left likes to keep those numbers in the stat, because it bolsters their message, but it is disingenuous.

\That's all I have to say about that


I really wish you people would stop making this suicide argument. It is demonstrably false and it really undercuts anything else you say. Let it go. Suicide does not work that way. It is not a rational decision.
2013-05-08 09:54:16 AM  
1 votes:

soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.


3rd amendment:

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

They were both written in the same general era, and they are both pretty much anachronisms.
2013-05-08 09:52:17 AM  
1 votes:

GoldSpider: CPennypacker: My right to own an inanimate object trumps your right to live

Blatant false dichotomy is blatantly false.


Overused meme is overused
2013-05-08 09:50:40 AM  
1 votes:
Do we have an acceptable threshold of gun murders?  It really should be zero.
2013-05-08 09:48:19 AM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. more areas with more gun control in last 20 years.. gun crime drops. Funny that.

Actually, It's up in gun free zones almost universally.

All the mass shootings have taken place in gun free zones / places with tight gun control.

/funny that.


That is my new favorite description.

"This chicken is almost universally free of salmonella."
2013-05-08 09:48:07 AM  
1 votes:
So criminal background checks that the previous gun bans worked!!!
2013-05-08 09:47:54 AM  
1 votes:

soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.


Please explain how banning all semi-automatic firearms and handguns and prohibiting you from accessing any functional firearm in your home is an infringement on your right to keep and bear arms.
 
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