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(LA Times)   In the last 20 years, gun murders have dropped almost by half. Fark: Americans believe gun crime is rising. Thanks, American media   (latimes.com) divider line 832
    More: Followup, Americans, Bureau of Justice Statistics, gun murders, spree killers, Pew Research Center, Small Arms Survey  
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2013-05-08 11:50:21 PM  

GUTSU: Do you think


No. No she does not.
 
2013-05-08 11:58:26 PM  

GUTSU: Why would someone travel halfway across the united states to smoke put when they can do down the street? Do you think people don't do illegal things?


Why would someone travel halfway across the united states to shoot gun when they can do down the street?
 
2013-05-09 12:01:24 AM  

Lorelle: Why would someone travel halfway across the united states to shoot gun when they can do down the street?


If it is at a 6 point bull elk that can't be found east of the Rockies, you may be minimizing the target just a wee bit.
 
2013-05-09 12:02:04 AM  

Lorelle: Reread what I posted earlier. Pay close attention to the tone. Dude, I thought you knew me better.


I did both, and I know you just fine. That's why I'm not surprised at all that you consistently sidestep all arguments made against you, without actually addressing anything, including your own arguments.

Lorelle: You don't think that mass shootings have had a negative effect on tourism??

Not to worry...now that pot is legal in CO, the marijuana tourist industry will bring $$$ to the state.


What do either of those have to do with chasing business out of the state with nothing in return? A tragedy having a negative effect on the economy (a dubious claim at best, there is nothing to suggest that it has happened) does not justify creating laws that also have a negative effect, and zero positive effects.

Since you obviously don't think it matters that the new laws are having a negative effect, what positive effects do you think they are having (or may have) that justify them? What good are they going to do? Do you think laws that harm people without helping are acceptable as long as you feel better?
 
2013-05-09 12:03:45 AM  

Lorelle: Why would someone travel halfway across the united states to shoot gun when they can do down the street?


Do you honestly believe people are spending thousands of dollars just to pull a trigger? Are you really that ignorant?
 
2013-05-09 12:08:21 AM  

vpb: Yes, those tough anti gun laws in some parts are starting to pay off.

Now we need to expand on a winning strategy.

/look at where the gun violence is highest




Way to change the subject and point of the article, you should seek a job with a pr firm. Not saying you don't raise an interesting debate , but it wasn't the pint of the article...at all
 
2013-05-09 12:08:54 AM  

HeadLever: If it is at a 6 point bull elk that can't be found east of the Rockies, you may be minimizing the target just a wee bit.


Why does one need to kill an elk?

Noticeably F.A.T.: I did both, and I know you just fine.


Nah. It obviously went right over your head. *sigh*
 
2013-05-09 12:11:27 AM  

Community Agitator: cman: vpb: Yes, those tough anti gun laws in some parts are starting to pay off.

Now we need to expand on a winning strategy.

/look at where the gun violence is highest

Maine has a shiatton of guns and few gun laws and yet their murder rate is pretty much nearly at the bottom of all states for gun crimes.

Weird, it's almost as if the guns and gun laws really don't play as much a part as does the demographics of the various communities.




Great point. Guns laws are just a part if this equation.
 
2013-05-09 12:12:53 AM  

Lorelle: HeadLever: If it is at a 6 point bull elk that can't be found east of the Rockies, you may be minimizing the target just a wee bit.

Why does one need to kill an elk?


Because that's what people go to colorado to hunt. It's something that isn't in their area. Pot smokers on the other hand don't have to spend several thousand dollars to obtain pot.
 
2013-05-09 12:13:51 AM  

Lorelle: Why does one need to kill an elk?


Because they want to fill thier freezer full of meat?  Why does anyone need to smoke pot?
 
2013-05-09 12:14:36 AM  

Lorelle: Why does one need to kill an elk?


There you go again, sidestepping the actual issue. The need (or lack of) to kill an elk has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that people do, and pay money to do so, and due to the new laws they won't be spending their money here.

Why are you unable to to address the arguments made against your own? Is it because you know you got nothin'?
 
2013-05-09 12:31:17 AM  

GUTSU: Because that's what people go to colorado to hunt. It's something that isn't in their area.


You didn't answer the question.

Pot smokers on the other hand don't have to spend several thousand dollars to obtain pot.

They don't have to, but some will spend bux to smoke it in public.
 
2013-05-09 12:34:00 AM  

Lorelle: They don't have to, but some will spend bux to smoke it in public.


How does that make it acceptable to run business out of the state and get nothing in return?
 
2013-05-09 12:37:43 AM  

Wayne 985: Granted, my .30-06 and 12-gauge have been unused for a while, but I'm pretty confident they're still "guns" that I "own." Then again, my head isn't buried in my ass. You might have a better perspective up there, though I doubt it.


Gee, I hope that 30-06 isn't a WWII Garand with it's 8 round en-bloc clip and it's bayonet lug.
 
2013-05-09 12:42:50 AM  

HeadLever: Because they want to fill thier freezer full of meat?


You can buy meat at the local supermarket. No gun needed.

Why does anyone need to smoke pot?

Some people need it for medicinal purposes.
 
2013-05-09 12:42:55 AM  

CPennypacker: GoldSpider: CPennypacker: My right to own an inanimate object trumps your right to live

Blatant false dichotomy is blatantly false.

Overused meme is overused




OMG what a coinky-dink
 
2013-05-09 12:44:45 AM  

Lorelle: You can buy meat at the local supermarket. No gun needed.


How does that justify bad laws?
 
2013-05-09 12:47:22 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Why are you unable to to address the arguments made against your own? Is it because you know you got nothin'?


All I have left is my cancer-ridden dog and this bottle of Wild Turkey, which I drank all up.
 
2013-05-09 12:50:14 AM  
So you've got nothing.
 
2013-05-09 12:52:31 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: doglover: I'm opposed to gun control proposed thus far because none of the rules proposed would actually have stopped the events that they'll alleged to be aimed at stopping.

It's very hard to stop events that have already happened. The idea is to prevent some of the future events from happening. I say some of because that is the goal - not reaching zero, reducing the likelihood.




Omfg...if you want a textbook example of being intellectually dishonest, this is it, folks.
 
2013-05-09 12:55:10 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: So you've got nothing.


Jeez Louise, I tossed you the slowest pitch I could, and you STILL can't connect. Really, dude.
 
2013-05-09 12:57:57 AM  

Lorelle: Jeez Louise, I tossed you the slowest pitch I could, and you STILL can't connect. Really, dude.


Connect what? That no matter how many other alts you have, you're an absolute retard in this thread?
 
2013-05-09 01:03:16 AM  

sammyk:

Where do you paranoid freaks get this shiat? No one is seriosly talking about confiscating guns. Hell even the proponents of another assault weapons ban have all but admitted defeat and have changed focus to trying to expand background checks. rants like yours are why people call you "gun nuts"
 A metric buttload of quotes...
 
2013-05-09 01:19:50 AM  

jst3p:

Tomahawk513: When I'm trying to determine the number of people killed by [object], my primary consideration is this: would the person have died if [object] did not exist? History, and plenty of data have shown that when it comes to suicide, if you remove the [object], or even make it inconvenient, the person is substantially less likely to attempt suicide, and less likely still to be successful. Whether or not suicide is a crime is irrelevant, we're not measuring how many crimes in which a gun was used result in death.

A) Why do we assume suicide is a bad thing? They can't all be winners.

B) If [people] don't exist the suicide rate is zero. Your logic culminates at banning people.

Well, not all people -- just people with a lot of magazines... or something like that.
 
2013-05-09 01:32:15 AM  

rzrwiresunrise:

soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Research what you cite. The right isn't absolute; it's qualifier is right there in the text. The amendment makes plain that the right exists so that the people could bring their personal arms to form a militia as opposed to the Republic keeping a standing army.

Funny thing is, today the Republic keeps a standing army.

Which doesn't obviate the need.  Here's a translation of the Second Amendment into modern English:

"Since a well-armed populace is necessary to having a free society, government shall not restrict the people from owning and carrying weapons."  The comments by the Framers in the Foederalist Papers clearly show that this was their meaning.  From their comments, it is clear that they would think it ESPECIALLY important when the state is packing its own heat.  They were as worried about the federal government becoming tyrannical as they were about invasion, if not more so.  History has shown their concern to be justified.

 
2013-05-09 01:40:55 AM  

mrshowrules:

The US sucks compared to other industrialized countries regardless of the metric you use.

So, move to some socialist shiat-hole.  If you do, you will perform an amazing feat: You will simultaneously increase the average I.Q. of two countries!

www.rottenecards.com
 
2013-05-09 01:43:25 AM  

vpb: Yes, those tough anti gun laws in some parts are starting to pay off.

Now we need to expand on a winning strategy.

/look at where the gun violence is highest


What a retarded list...... States with low populations and a large crime ridden city are like a room with three people in it and one of them is you.....its a 33.3% retarded population.

The reality is that firearm homicides are overwhelmingly the product of gang violence/drug trade/criminal behavior.

Lets take #2 on your list as an example of how gullible you are.....Alaska with a horrifying 4.22 homicides per 100,000 people.  Erma-Gerd thats high!!!!  Except there are only 700,000 people in the whole state. Which means the number of homicides is around 30 people per year, or about 2 days worth of Chicagos death toll. Yeah, that is a really good place to start right? (I ignore #1 on the list because its Louisiana and New Orleans is insanely violent. Democrat stronghold too)

If you take gun violence by the numbers of homicides and not the per capita you find that all the most violent states....ie states where the most people die....are democrat states. Most of the country outside of the 4 largest offending cities .... All democrat strongholds with gun restrictions out the ass..... you find that our per capita hovers around 3.3 iirc. If you subtract the major population centers of every state the number simply drops off the bottom end of the chart into the abyss of statistically irrelevant numbers.

Gun homicides are a product of inner city poverty. More than 90% of all gun fatalities excluding suicides occur in large cities with high poverty rates. It doesnt matter how you massage the numbers to try and argue that no gun laws mean more gun crime, you cannot escape the fact that most people shot are poor black and hispanic males between 14-34 or whatever, i dont have the stats tattooed on my arm or anything.

4.22 per 100,000 is .00422% of the population. its statistically insignificant on a scale that beggars belief.
 
2013-05-09 01:46:09 AM  

dittybopper:

That means that there are 52.6 white homicides per 100,000 poor whites, and 202.2 black homicides per 100,000 poor blacks.
Clearly, we need more white trash drive-by shootings.
 
2013-05-09 02:14:44 AM  

GeneralJim: rzrwiresunrise: soakitincider: 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "


the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Research what you cite. The right isn't absolute; it's qualifier is right there in the text. The amendment makes plain that the right exists so that the people could bring their personal arms to form a militia as opposed to the Republic keeping a standing army.

Funny thing is, today the Republic keeps a standing army.
Which doesn't obviate the need.  Here's a translation of the Second Amendment into modern English:
"Since a well-armed populace is necessary to having a free society, government shall not restrict the people from owning and carrying weapons."  The comments by the Framers in the Foederalist Papers clearly show that this was their meaning.  From their comments, it is clear that they would think it ESPECIALLY important when the state is packing its own heat.  They were as worried about the federal government becoming tyrannical as they were about invasion, if not more so.  History has shown their concern to be justified.


+1 Its isnt up to the Federal Government or any election or court to decide how a person or a group of people in a state protect themselves from anything. We may grant certain restrictions in peaceful times, but every state and every individual has the right under the constitution to arm themselves and mount a defense. I mention state only because I think the national guard in each state should be the repository of the heavy weapons and armor that belong to the civilians in that state who hire and empower their guardsmen to maintain and use those weapons in the service of the state. The 2nd gives you the right to carry a weapon, but it also implies that when you need something larger to end a tyranny.....you go to the states armory to get it.
 
2013-05-09 09:12:54 AM  

GeneralJim: mrshowrules: The US sucks compared to other industrialized countries regardless of the metric you use.
So, move to some socialist shiat-hole.  If you do, you will perform an amazing feat: You will simultaneously increase the average I.Q. of two countries!

[www.rottenecards.com image 420x294]


I live in Canada already buddy.
 
2013-05-09 01:22:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's all video games fault!

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Actually, you are onto something very important.  The overall decline in violent crime is due to a variety of factors.  One of those is that entertainment is available to all at reasonable prices.  If you are in a miserable position in life and have nothing better to do, you're more likely to go out and dabble in crime.  Throw an Xbox into the mix, fark it, I'm going to play Halo.
 
2013-05-09 01:56:33 PM  

CPennypacker: GoldDude: FTFA: "The victims of gun killings are overwhelmingly male and disproportionately black, according to Bureau of Justice Statistics".

Yet it would be racist to even imply that the perpetrators of gun violence and killings are more likely to be a particular race...?

You do realize that posts like this just make it look like you're butthurt that people won't let you be as racist as you want, right?


Thanks for proving my point.
 
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