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2013-05-07 03:21:18 PM  
So?

I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.  If future employment prospects are bleak,  why would you waste large amounts of tax dollars to teach these children?
 
2013-05-07 03:40:02 PM  
What's the point of going to school when they'll just get expelled for learning anyway?
 
2013-05-07 03:51:04 PM  
I'm sure they meant "for business tax cuts," not "road and bridge repair" anyway
 
2013-05-07 04:03:37 PM  
I say let em all go to Sunday school and let the churches sort em out!
 
2013-05-07 04:03:51 PM  
Never has "the world needs ditch diggers, too" been more appropriate.
 
2013-05-07 04:33:26 PM  
Michigan roads are pretty bad.
 
2013-05-07 04:50:12 PM  
This is low, Repubs.

Downright slimy. The way they factor in taxes increases which they will campaign against to offset their numbers is psychopathic.

Is Lex Luthor in charge these days?

Is the Legion of Doom actually in Michigan?

College kids from Michigan have told me that all they do is fark and meth. How sad.
 
2013-05-07 04:53:11 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.


Because education helps create jobs, by making people better able to start new businesses.

Or at least, there's studies indicating that "the entrepreneur's level of education is positively associated with firm survival and growth (Bates, 1995; Hay and Ross, 1989; Cooper et al., 1989; Van de Ven et al., 1984)".
 
2013-05-07 05:02:01 PM  

abb3w: I_Am_Weasel: I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.

Because education helps create jobs, by making people better able to start new businesses.

Or at least, there's studies indicating that "the entrepreneur's level of education is positively associated with firm survival and growth (Bates, 1995; Hay and Ross, 1989; Cooper et al., 1989; Van de Ven et al., 1984)".


But you're really just setting them up for failure if you teach them how to think. What'll they think about? How they have no jobs, that's what. Better to conscript them into construction crews to build all these roads and bridges; it'll be cheaper than bidding it out.
 
2013-05-07 05:08:48 PM  
Good, less competition for home schooling.
 
2013-05-07 05:09:10 PM  
And Farkers criticize me for saying I categorically refuse to vote for a Republican for ANYTHING...

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2013-05-07 05:09:37 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Better to conscript them into construction crews to build all these roads and bridges; it'll be cheaper than bidding it out.


Best we imprison them first. It'll be cheaper to feed and house them that way.
 
2013-05-07 05:10:22 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So?

I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.  If future employment prospects are bleak,  why would you waste large amounts of tax dollars to teach these children?


Obviously, it be better to sell them to hungry, British aristocrats...
 
2013-05-07 05:11:08 PM  
Sure. When you slash education you're ensuring another generation of hillbilly conservative dipwads. It works well here.
 
2013-05-07 05:19:23 PM  
You don't need a lot of education to shovel asphalt or move traffic cones around.
 
2013-05-07 05:23:33 PM  

Chagrin: You don't need a lot of education to shovel asphalt or move traffic cones around.


Aren't businesses insisting that they're so desperate for educated workers that they're forced to import them from other countries ?
 
2013-05-07 05:23:43 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So?

I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.  If future employment prospects are bleak,  why would you waste large amounts of tax dollars to teach these children?


Wow, I've never met the intended product of the American public school system before.
 
2013-05-07 05:24:34 PM  
Republicans are chiseling away at education in every state they have their hands on, and they don't plan on stopping regardless of what happens to the state itself or on a national scale. Probably makes it easy to point at public education, go "look at how bad it is!", and funnel money and children to private schools instead.

And that's the scary part, it's NOT going to stop. As long as hard line Republicans get control of a state at a time, education spending is going to get lower and lower across the nation faster than anyone else can lift it up again. Public education will falter, higher education becomes nigh-unaffordable. That's it. I don't see a solution to this, we can't keep them all out of office.

The only thing I can imagine forestalling this trend is an irresistible block grant to the states contingent on maintaining a certain minimum percentage in public education funding, but they'd probably just force as much of it as possible to go to private schools and declare victory.
 
2013-05-07 05:26:36 PM  
Graduate and get jobs.. in that state?? lol good one bro
 
2013-05-07 05:28:13 PM  

Huggermugger: Chagrin: You don't need a lot of education to shovel asphalt or move traffic cones around.

Aren't businesses insisting that they're so desperate for educated workers that they're forced to import them from other countries ?


The trouble is they want to pay educated workers less than the asphalt shovelers.
 
2013-05-07 05:30:04 PM  
But they have enough surplus in the budget to enact a tax reduction for job creators.
 
2013-05-07 05:30:24 PM  

BlastYoBoots: Republicans are chiseling away at education in every state they have their hands on, and they don't plan on stopping regardless of what happens to the state itself or on a national scale. Probably makes it easy to point at public education, go "look at how bad it is!", and funnel money and children to private schools instead.

And that's the scary part, it's NOT going to stop. As long as hard line Republicans get control of a state at a time, education spending is going to get lower and lower across the nation faster than anyone else can lift it up again. Public education will falter, higher education becomes nigh-unaffordable. That's it. I don't see a solution to this, we can't keep them all out of office.

The only thing I can imagine forestalling this trend is an irresistible block grant to the states contingent on maintaining a certain minimum percentage in public education funding, but they'd probably just force as much of it as possible to go to private schools and declare victory.


Well, here's some good news:

Bobby Jindal's School Voucher Funding Ruled Unconstitutional By Louisiana Supreme Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/bobby-jindal-school-voucher s_ n_3231136.html
 
2013-05-07 05:31:01 PM  
The problem part is that anyone who is educated leaves the states. This is double true for higher edcuation grads. Pretty much everyone who gets a degree moves out of the state. Cause I mean shiat. Were down to choosing between public schools and public roadways. Thats how boned we are.

I guess the point being is that were boned either way. If we defund education were boned. If we fund education we effectively export an entire generation of our youth to anyplace else but Michigan.
 
2013-05-07 05:31:39 PM  
Obviously this shouldn't come from schools, but Michigan has some of the worst roads I've ever seen.  You have to see it to believe it.  Their interstate system looks Detroit.  The bridges haven't been painted since the 1950s and the concrete is so old it's brown with random chunks missing.  Crossing the Michigan/Indiana line is hell on your suspension.
 
2013-05-07 05:31:39 PM  

moothemagiccow: The trouble is they want to pay educated workers less than the asphalt shovelers.


While whining that the asphalt shovelers are illegal hispanics and/or get paid too much for standing around.
 
2013-05-07 05:36:41 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Obviously this shouldn't come from schools, but Michigan has some of the worst roads I've ever seen.  You have to see it to believe it.  Their interstate system looks Detroit.  The bridges haven't been painted since the 1950s and the concrete is so old it's brown with random chunks missing.  Crossing the Michigan/Indiana line is hell on your suspension.


It really is bad. Even the good parts are horrible compared to every other state I've been too.
 
2013-05-07 05:38:15 PM  

StarlingFive: The problem part is that anyone who is educated leaves the states. This is double true for higher edcuation grads. Pretty much everyone who gets a degree moves out of the state. Cause I mean shiat. Were down to choosing between public schools and public roadways. Thats how boned we are.

I guess the point being is that were boned either way. If we defund education were boned. If we fund education we effectively export an entire generation of our youth to anyplace else but Michigan.



Stop complaining. You got lower taxes. Which is really the most important factor right now.
 
2013-05-07 05:38:59 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: moothemagiccow: The trouble is they want to pay educated workers less than the asphalt shovelers.

While whining that the asphalt shovelers are illegal hispanics and/or get paid too much for standing around.


And complaining that asphalt shovelers have unions and probably own refrigerators . . .
 
2013-05-07 05:42:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: BlastYoBoots: Republicans are chiseling away at education in every state they have their hands on, and they don't plan on stopping regardless of what happens to the state itself or on a national scale. Probably makes it easy to point at public education, go "look at how bad it is!", and funnel money and children to private schools instead.

And that's the scary part, it's NOT going to stop. As long as hard line Republicans get control of a state at a time, education spending is going to get lower and lower across the nation faster than anyone else can lift it up again. Public education will falter, higher education becomes nigh-unaffordable. That's it. I don't see a solution to this, we can't keep them all out of office.

The only thing I can imagine forestalling this trend is an irresistible block grant to the states contingent on maintaining a certain minimum percentage in public education funding, but they'd probably just force as much of it as possible to go to private schools and declare victory.

Well, here's some good news:

Bobby Jindal's School Voucher Funding Ruled Unconstitutional By Louisiana Supreme Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/bobby-jindal-school-voucher s_ n_3231136.html


That's a heartening little victory. I wish I could be happier about it, though: as you saw in that article, Jindal swore he'd find a way to pay for it out of the budget somehow. So it may not be starving public schools (which is great for the moment), but the public fund will likely keep getting cuts, and Jindal - as he's want to do - will probably just regressively raise sales taxes to funnel money from everyone else to these private schools regardless.

No bottom is acceptable to these people but the very bottom itself.
 
2013-05-07 05:43:05 PM  

HighOnCraic: Sergeant Grumbles: moothemagiccow: The trouble is they want to pay educated workers less than the asphalt shovelers.

While whining that the asphalt shovelers are illegal hispanics and/or get paid too much for standing around.

And complaining that asphalt shovelers have unions and probably own refrigerators . . .


Nothing does seem to upset people like union workers with refrigerators. Although the usual talking point I see is "flat screen TVs".
 
2013-05-07 05:43:13 PM  
Because real companies want to locate to places with good schools, even if it's so the CEO and top staff can send their kids there.

But Michigan could try for prisons. Guantanamo is in the news.
 
2013-05-07 05:44:14 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Obviously this shouldn't come from schools, but Michigan has some of the worst roads I've ever seen.  You have to see it to believe it.  Their interstate system looks Detroit.  The bridges haven't been painted since the 1950s and the concrete is so old it's brown with random chunks missing.  Crossing the Michigan/Indiana line is hell on your suspension.


FTA: But wait. Look up to the top of the chart next to the "Revenue Losses" section. Under School Aid Fund (SAF), there's $770.1 million hit from the sales taxes being eliminated on fuels.

The shouldn't have come from schools because it didn't have to come from anywhere.  This isn't money that they decided would be better spent elsewhere, it's money they decided they didn't need in the first place.
 
2013-05-07 05:44:44 PM  

HighOnCraic: Sergeant Grumbles: moothemagiccow: The trouble is they want to pay educated workers less than the asphalt shovelers.

While whining that the asphalt shovelers are illegal hispanics and/or get paid too much for standing around.

And complaining that asphalt shovelers have unions and probably own refrigerators . . .


You guys have your priorities backwards. All measures are acceptable as long as quarterly earnings targets are met. Management must get their bonuses.
 
2013-05-07 05:46:45 PM  
If only there was a system they could implement by which funds could be raised from a portion of the sales of products users of roads and bridges utilize everyday, such as gasoline.  Alas, to my knowledge no such means exist to levy funds like that.
 
Ehh
2013-05-07 05:51:35 PM  
They can push the bus like I had to when I was in school, and it's better there are no union thugs brainwashing those poor kids with that commie "learning" stuff for hours every day.
 
2013-05-07 05:51:48 PM  
I have a theory that what the republicans are doing is setting up the education system fails and that we have young adults in and out of prison-for-profit systems, like that judge in PA got in trouble for.
 
2013-05-07 05:52:32 PM  
Hey Michigan....race to you the bottom


/Wisconsin aka Wississippi

//teaparty Gov's rule!!
 
2013-05-07 05:54:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: I_Am_Weasel: So?

I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.  If future employment prospects are bleak,  why would you waste large amounts of tax dollars to teach these children?

Obviously, it would be better to sell them to hungry, British aristocrats...


D'oh!
 
2013-05-07 05:55:55 PM  
Obviously, some billionaire wants the road to be smooth as glass so he can enjoy his weekly limousine ride to point and laugh at the peasants.
 
2013-05-07 05:56:19 PM  
Really who looks at money spent on education and goes "eh, there's too much of that"
 
2013-05-07 05:56:34 PM  
So they're eliminating sales tax on fuels, and offsetting that by increasing sales and fuel excise taxes for a zero net impact on the School Aid Fund.

this_is_an_outrage.jpg?
 
2013-05-07 05:58:20 PM  

Karac: FTA: But wait. Look up to the top of the chart next to the "Revenue Losses" section. Under School Aid Fund (SAF), there's $770.1 million hit from the sales taxes being eliminated on fuels.


Which is offset by other tax increases, which is clearly spelled out in the proposal summary.  I don't see a conspiracy here.
 
2013-05-07 06:00:30 PM  

HighOnCraic: I_Am_Weasel: So?

I fail to see why they would need an education if there are no jobs to be filled.  If future employment prospects are bleak,  why would you waste large amounts of tax dollars to teach these children?

Obviously, it be better to sell them to hungry, British aristocrats...


That sounds like a modest proposal to me.
 
2013-05-07 06:00:49 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Obviously, some billionaire wants the road to be smooth as glass so he can enjoy his weekly limousine ride to point and laugh at the peasants.


I'm sure they're eager to hand these repair contracts out to friends/family/campaign donors of theirs as well.
 
Bf+
2013-05-07 06:03:11 PM  
Copy: Michigan
Paste: Wisconsin

/Thanks a lot Teabaggers.
 
2013-05-07 06:05:50 PM  

GoldSpider: So they're eliminating sales tax on fuels, and offsetting that by increasing sales and fuel excise taxes for a zero net impact on the School Aid Fund.

this_is_an_outrage.jpg?


No. They're eliminating sales tax on fuels, and attempting to offset that by asking Michigan voters to vote for increasing sales and fuel excise taxes, something they surely will not do, since they already raised the sales tax by 2 points recently.

This is simply the same old song from Republicans: cut education funding, dress up those cuts in budget gimmicks, and then pass them off as "necessary", without actually explaining why they are so.
 
2013-05-07 06:06:56 PM  

GoldSpider: Which is offset by other tax increases, which is clearly spelled out in the proposal summary. I don't see a conspiracy here.


You don't see the part where 2/3 of the legislature has to vote for the other tax increases?
It seems pretty obvious what is happening. The one tax gets repealed, the other never gets enough support.
It's a sneaky way to get around accusations of slashing school budgets, even though the effect is slashing school budgets.
The Republicans have been doing this starve the beast bullshiat since I was in diapers.
 
2013-05-07 06:10:26 PM  

GoldSpider: Karac: FTA: But wait. Look up to the top of the chart next to the "Revenue Losses" section. Under School Aid Fund (SAF), there's $770.1 million hit from the sales taxes being eliminated on fuels.

Which is offset by other tax increases, which is clearly spelled out in the proposal summary.  I don't see a conspiracy here.


You must be one of those public education failures. Raising the general sales tax is a regressive tax on those who can least afford to pay it.
 
2013-05-07 06:13:31 PM  

GoldSpider: Karac: FTA: But wait. Look up to the top of the chart next to the "Revenue Losses" section. Under School Aid Fund (SAF), there's $770.1 million hit from the sales taxes being eliminated on fuels.

Which is offset by other tax increases, which is clearly spelled out in the proposal summary.  I don't see a conspiracy here.


According to the article: one bill eliminates the gas tax, cause the $770 million drop in school funding - that funding would only be restored by a different bill, which must independently pass by a 2/3rd votes in both the House and Senate ALONG with passing on a referendum.

And reading the actual summary of the linked bills I don't see the tax increase mentioned anywhere, which makes it even less possible.

The current makeup of the state government makes the cut all but assured, and gives restoring the funds about as much chance as a snowball exiting Satan's fiery asshole.
 
2013-05-07 06:14:32 PM  

GoldSpider: So they're eliminating sales tax on fuels, and offsetting that by increasing sales and fuel excise taxes for a zero net impact on the School Aid Fund.

this_is_an_outrage.jpg?



Want to know how I know you didnt' read the article?
 
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