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(My Fox DC)   Antidepressants linked to increased superbug infection rate. At least you won't be depressed about your horrible impending death   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 114
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2013-05-07 03:24:56 PM  
Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person
 
2013-05-07 03:25:55 PM  
36% is actually within the range of statistical noise. Call me back when you find at least 200% or more.
 
2013-05-07 03:27:54 PM  
14,000 people a year die from this condition??? Damn...
 
2013-05-07 03:29:23 PM  
"..(CDI) - a life threatening infection that can cause severe diarrhea and inflammation of the colon."

So either you can be depressed, or take the drugs and make your brown eye blue.
 
2013-05-07 03:29:37 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-07 03:31:39 PM  

doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person


You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.
 
2013-05-07 03:37:10 PM  

libranoelrose: 14,000 people a year die from this condition??? Damn...


It's a pretty easy infection for seniors and those with Alzheimer's or Dementia to get that are reliant on others to change diapers and such.  C-Diff is something that rarely just creeps up on someone in moderate health unless you're a particularly filthy person, so most of the deaths are by people already in nursing homes or senior care facilities.
 
2013-05-07 03:38:34 PM  

doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person




7/10
 
2013-05-07 03:38:50 PM  
They'll just spend $1.2B developing/patenting an AD + antibiotic cocktail to counteract the effect. Yay, science!

nerd-alert.net
 
2013-05-07 03:41:09 PM  
Maybe life really just shiats on depressed people more?
 
2013-05-07 03:43:59 PM  
doubled99


Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

There is a difference from being sad to the kind of condition that can literally destroy your life and those around you.
 
2013-05-07 03:45:11 PM  
I myself would correlate the sharp rise in the incidence of C. diff infections with the dearth of pirates.
 
2013-05-07 03:48:10 PM  

doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person


I know youre trolling, but this logic pisses me off. Go tell a diabetic to get over it and quit taking insulin and see how it all works out.

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)
//stops Prozac and wants to drive into a tree
 
2013-05-07 03:50:05 PM  
Years ago, a friend told his shrink, "No, I don't want to take antidepressants. My life SUCKS and I have a right to be depressed!"

/Know how he feels.
//Not a CSB, is it?
 
2013-05-07 03:51:39 PM  
Oh, and as a critical care nurse who has seen a lot of C. Diff., most of it can be avoided by eating a yogurt when you take oral antibiotics. Replace the dead bacteria as you kill them.
 
2013-05-07 03:55:49 PM  
Whole Wheat

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)

What side effects are you experiencing, I have the feeling they aren't telling me everything.
 
2013-05-07 03:57:57 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Whole Wheat

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)

What side effects are you experiencing, I have the feeling they aren't telling me everything.


The worst side effects from antidepressants is the inability to come.  They actually give guys antidepressants that have premature ejaculation issues.
 
2013-05-07 03:59:12 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Whole Wheat

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)

What side effects are you experiencing, I have the feeling they aren't telling me everything.


Prepare for your dick to become a constant source of disappointment.
 
2013-05-07 03:59:12 PM  

libranoelrose: 14,000 people a year die from this condition??? Damn...


Wow, that's like as many people that die from guns.  Maybe we should ban it?
 
2013-05-07 03:59:45 PM  
Surely it is entirely coincidental, but I just bumped up to 40mg Celexa last week, and I have had a terrible stomach virus for 4 days now
 
2013-05-07 04:00:23 PM  

Buttknuckle: doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.


Sam here.  The only thing worse than taking the medication is not taking the medication.
 
2013-05-07 04:08:26 PM  
Sick and tired.
 
2013-05-07 04:09:09 PM  
FTFA: "Individuals who suffer from depression and those taking antidepressants such as mirtazapine [Remeron] and fluoxetine [Prozac] had a much higher chance of contracting Clostridium difficile infection (CDI)."

Something to do with serotonin then? Maybe its action in the gut where  Clostridium hangs out? "Approximately 90% of the human body's total serotonin is located in the enterochromaffin cells in the alimentary canal (gut), where it is used to regulate intestinal movements." Added to the gut problems antibiotics cause ...

Hmm. So if you're on antidepressants don't go near a non-psychiatric hospital. Okay...


libranoelrose: 14,000 people a year die from this condition??? Damn...


And it causes toxic megacolon, which looks like one of those diseases I'd rather die than have for a week.

NB it's not a bad idea that 14,000 additional Americans die, it just sucks that they should die in misery. This is why we should set up Voluntary Euthanasia Centers where people can "go home" at the touch of a button, which should go a long way toward improving the general public health status as well.

This latter suggestion is because another problem "low mood" can cause is deficient hygiene, which can increase one's chance of catching & spreading diseases. E.g., thanks in large part to my lousy teens & 20s I've had periodontitis since 1981. It's settled in so badly the only way to completely get rid of it is to pull my remaining teeth, which I'm seriously considering; these bacteria and the other systemic problems they cause naturally also lower one's resistance to other infections & conditions. Besides these germs themselves can be catching. Therefore if they set up these Euthanasia Centers without or instead of giving me better dental benefits (such as paying for dentures if not implants) I'll be one of the first in line to "go home," which y'all Farkers should press for as a way to finally rid yourselves of my yammering digressions.

By the way: Clostridium is why depressed people on meds, especially those with gum disease, should never go ass-to-mouth or kiss ass in a literal sense. In case anybody out there hadn't already deduced that. (Generally though, if I can figure that out anybody can.)
 
2013-05-07 04:09:35 PM  

airsupport: Sick and tired.


Sick and tired of being sick and tired.

/Money would cure my depression, that's for sure.
//Single, one income, two kids - now THAT is depressing.
 
2013-05-07 04:11:15 PM  

Source4leko: Sam here.  The only thing worse than taking the medication is not taking the medication.


stuff4sam.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-07 04:11:52 PM  

Buttknuckle: doubled99:

Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.


I'm bipolar and only medicate the lows. Usually, unless I get so manic it bothers me.
 
2013-05-07 04:13:17 PM  
ausfahrk:

Maybe life really just shiats on depressed people more?

Maybe it does. You know, like alcohol concentrates on the slow weak brain cells.
 
2013-05-07 04:14:05 PM  
bmckenna:

I myself would correlate the sharp rise in the incidence of C. diff infections with the dearth of pirates.

I don't get it. Show me.
 
2013-05-07 04:16:29 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Buttknuckle: doubled99:

Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.

I'm bipolar and only medicate the lows. Usually, unless I get so manic it bothers me.


Indeed.  I actually stopped taking Siroquel about a week ago.  Haven't consulted my shrink cause I don't see him for another three weeks.  I just couldn't handle the weight gain (20 lbs.).  I have some handy in case things get out of hand though.
 
2013-05-07 04:18:12 PM  
Whole Wheat:

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)
//stops Prozac and wants to drive into a tree


Actually even on the max dose of Celexa and Wellbutrin XL I have a hobby of noting trees I could get up into to hang myself from. That 8' drop matters a lot too, I hear hangman's break make it quicker & easier.
It's not that I'm driven to do it, I just can't help demanding the option.
 
2013-05-07 04:21:25 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Whole Wheat:

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)
//stops Prozac and wants to drive into a tree

Actually even on the max dose of Celexa and Wellbutrin XL I have a hobby of noting trees I could get up into to hang myself from. That 8' drop matters a lot too, I hear hangman's break make it quicker & easier.
It's not that I'm driven to do it, I just can't help demanding the option.


Keep Marwood's Chart handy
 
2013-05-07 04:23:24 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Whole Wheat:

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)
//stops Prozac and wants to drive into a tree

Actually even on the max dose of Celexa and Wellbutrin XL I have a hobby of noting trees I could get up into to hang myself from. That 8' drop matters a lot too, I hear hangman's break make it quicker & easier.
It's not that I'm driven to do it, I just can't help demanding the option.


I had it all planned out before I was diagnosed. I giant tree along the highway on the way to work. Disconnect the airbag sensors and BAM!

12 years later I am so glad I went to the doctor instead.
 
2013-05-07 04:26:20 PM  
This thread is depressing AND shiatty.
 
2013-05-07 04:27:09 PM  
I love the warning labels that come with my lithium. They're almost funny.

/almost
 
2013-05-07 04:29:48 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Whole Wheat

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)

What side effects are you experiencing, I have the feeling they aren't telling me everything.


The side effects range from person to person. Not all of them work the same, and I think that the science is not there regarding the neurotransmitters yet. There was a lot of trial and error for me and my doctor. Celexa made me sleep all the time, Wellbutrin made me nearly leave my family, but Prozac seems to work well.

And after ten years, it works way too well for me. I finally got to the point that I didn't give a fark about going to work, etc. So I started on Adderal to give me a boost, and I am a tyrannosaur again.
 
2013-05-07 04:36:15 PM  
I'm getting off my ad drugs. I've been on them so long I can't remember what symptoms are medical and which are side effects of the meds. Probably going to try more cbt off the drugs since cbt is the only thing proven to be more effective than a placebo.

/worries about going crazy
// haven't been able to hold a real job for years now.... It's hard to keep trying when the end result is the same. Every farking time.
 
2013-05-07 04:53:53 PM  
Anti-depressants reduce the anxiety of bacteria making them more aggressive?
 
2013-05-07 04:55:18 PM  

SumoJeb: I'm getting off my ad drugs. I've been on them so long I can't remember what symptoms are medical and which are side effects of the meds. Probably going to try more cbt off the drugs since cbt is the only thing proven to be more effective than a placebo.

/worries about going crazy
// haven't been able to hold a real job for years now.... It's hard to keep trying when the end result is the same. Every farking time.


I really made the turn when I saw a therapist. You need someone to challenge your farked up logic.
 
2013-05-07 04:58:27 PM  
My wife went through that whole trial process of, "let's try THIS.  No good?  Ok THIS."
It sucked.  She literally stopped giving a crap about anything.  She just went numb.  Then the tried Prozac, and that made her suicidal (yeah, that helped).

In the end, we decided it was just best to wean her off all that shiat and deal with her getting depressed from time to time.

The still prescribe Xanex for her.  She doesn't even need to take a full size prescribed does every day.  THAT actually seems to be working well.  Helps control the anxiety that was causing the depression to start with.
 
2013-05-07 05:03:21 PM  
Anyone try that lindon program that I've heard good things about...not really willing to spend 20% of my monthly pay for it without more info
 
2013-05-07 05:03:45 PM  
Eating happy food is cheaper than getting a medical bill.
 
2013-05-07 05:06:33 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: They'll just spend $1.2B developing/patenting an AD + antibiotic cocktail to counteract the effect. Yay, science!

[nerd-alert.net image 480x480]


Is that a Hot Tamale? 'Cause I freaking love those.

That article was well... depressing.
 
2013-05-07 05:14:58 PM  

Whole Wheat: I really made the turn when I saw a therapist. You need someone to challenge your farked up logic.


Taking meds in conjunction with seeing a therapist is good advice, but the whole process can be ridiculously difficult.

Some meds work better than others, and some shrinks are more competent than others.

I honestly wouldn't wish any form of mental illness on anyone.  It sucks!

Good luck to all who deal with this hell.
 
2013-05-07 05:22:42 PM  

Buttknuckle: doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.


Show me the REAL medical test that says your chemically imballanced and I'll sell you a bridge in NY...
 
2013-05-07 05:23:32 PM  
Depressed people are more often sick (sad, no exercise, etc => weaker immune system) and sick people are more often depressed (sucks to be sick a lot). Sick people visit hospitals more often than non-sick people. And hospitals are the incubators of super bugs.

But it sounds like specific antidepressants are linked, and as the articles states, they may disrupt the immune system in the GI tract. That's interesting considering that some meds have a very rare side effect where the immune system suddenly stops working (agranulosis). Mirtazapine has a rare chance for this side effect.

I remember that I had been on that for a couple months to see if it'd help me sleep, and during that time I got a sore throat that wouldn't go away for over a month. I didn't have agranulosis obviously, but it makes me wonder if my immune system was being tripped up.
 
2013-05-07 05:26:10 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Whole Wheat:

/takes Prozac and enjoys life (despite side effects)
//stops Prozac and wants to drive into a tree

Actually even on the max dose of Celexa and Wellbutrin XL I have a hobby of noting trees I could get up into to hang myself from. That 8' drop matters a lot too, I hear hangman's break make it quicker & easier.
It's not that I'm driven to do it, I just can't help demanding the option.


Not healthy at all...
I'd consider see a different shrink. Depression treatment involves a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but there are so many treatments, and combinations of treatments available, that a good shrink can usually find one that is reasonably effective...
 
2013-05-07 05:32:00 PM  

durbnpoisn: My wife went through that whole trial process of, "let's try THIS.  No good?  Ok THIS."
It sucked.  She literally stopped giving a crap about anything.  She just went numb.  Then the tried Prozac, and that made her suicidal (yeah, that helped).

In the end, we decided it was just best to wean her off all that shiat and deal with her getting depressed from time to time.

The still prescribe Xanex for her.  She doesn't even need to take a full size prescribed does every day.  THAT actually seems to be working well.  Helps control the anxiety that was causing the depression to start with.


I hope not, Xanax addiction is real and absolutely horrific, taking benzos long term is dangerous, and xanax is one of the worst. Good ole valium has a longer half life and therefore much less of a crash, but even that isn't something you want to get used to..

A better option in my humble, non-doctor opinion, is low dose seroquel, like 25-50mg (in perspective it is perscribed for bipolar and schizophrenia as high as 1000mg).
 
2013-05-07 05:35:56 PM  

dpzum1: Buttknuckle: doubled99: Fark you and your antidepressants. Learn to be depressed now and then like a normal person

You don't know a whole lot about the science behind the chemical imbalance some have that necessitate the need for medication, do you?

/Bipolar and despise taking medication.

Show me the REAL medical test that says your chemically imballanced and I'll sell you a bridge in NY...


Show me the scientific test that indisputably proves atomic theory. That's why it's called theory.
 
2013-05-07 05:41:38 PM  

dforkus: I hope not, Xanax addiction is real and absolutely horrific, taking benzos long term is dangerous, and xanax is one of the worst. Good ole valium has a longer half life and therefore much less of a crash, but even that isn't something you want to get used to..A better option in my humble, non-doctor opinion, is low dose seroquel, like 25-50mg (in perspective it is perscribed for bipolar and schizophrenia as high as 1000mg).


Yeah, benzos are good short term but if the doctor misses out on noticing that their patient has an addictive personality, then they could be dangerous.

Ambien is similar to benzos (not the same class of chemicals but similar effects) and I'll say that Ambien Walrus is a very bad influence.
 
2013-05-07 05:45:20 PM  

Whole Wheat: Show me the scientific test that indisputably proves atomic theory. That's why it's called theory.


Pfft you're a total nub. They have pictures of atoms these days.

Come back here when you're ready. Maybe go finish 9th grade science class.
 
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