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2013-05-07 12:13:53 PM
Wrestle naked.
 
2013-05-07 12:42:55 PM
is pudding OK?
 
2013-05-07 12:43:24 PM
at their end of exams garden party

The students should learn that you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.
 
2013-05-07 12:58:12 PM
Petroleum Jelly? Or Fruit Jelly?
 
2013-05-07 12:58:53 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Petroleum Jelly? Or Fruit Jelly?


KY Jelly.
 
2013-05-07 12:59:17 PM
internet porn?
 
2013-05-07 12:59:28 PM
what a load of rubbish

/I do that right?
 
2013-05-07 01:00:30 PM
Sweet! Chicks wrestling in one bikini there's bound to be titty showing!
 
2013-05-07 01:01:04 PM
You're in college go with the classics, cream corn wrestling
 
2013-05-07 01:01:20 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-07 01:01:32 PM
The image accompanying the article appears to represent bikini sewage wrestling, which just isn't nearly as appealing.
 
2013-05-07 01:02:09 PM

J.Shelby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x554]


is the one on the right a Bush daughter?
 
2013-05-07 01:02:15 PM
All the girls are in only one bikini?

Just confirming.  Please proceed.
 
2013-05-07 01:03:04 PM
www.hotflick.net
 
2013-05-07 01:03:45 PM
How is it not misogynist to assume that the women participating aren't able to make a decision about their own bodies without the outside world butting its head in?
 
2013-05-07 01:03:58 PM
I've no problem with some women saying "this is childish, grow the fark up ad stop drooling over a little side-boob lads"   but I do object to them saying this should not be ALLOWED. Period.  Unless the women are bieng forced at gunpoint to particpate it seems like some women WANT to wrestle in jello in their bikinis and what should you be allowed to take that choice away from them.   As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that
 
2013-05-07 01:04:06 PM

reillan: All the girls are in only one bikini?

Just confirming.  Please proceed.


They wrestle naked. The winner gets to wear the bikini. The loser has to wear jello the rest of the night.
 
2013-05-07 01:04:21 PM
The complaint claims that the jelly fight portrays women as "only good for their bodies, and that in order to contribute socially they must be sexualised objects."

Ugly chicks really do sound the same anywhere you go.
 
2013-05-07 01:05:12 PM
Are the wrestlers Cambridge University students?
 
2013-05-07 01:05:23 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Petroleum Jelly? Or Fruit Jelly?


What Americans call gelatin (Jell-OTM and other brands), the English call jelly.

/the more you know
 
2013-05-07 01:05:31 PM
I dunno if it's sexist, but I know what I like.
 
2013-05-07 01:05:33 PM
Blowing off steam . . .
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-07 01:07:57 PM

Cheron: J.Shelby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x554]

is the one on the right a Bush daughter?


hehe she does kinda look like her. I likey.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:32 PM
Cantabrigians never had that much class.
 
2013-05-07 01:09:23 PM
They're British.  It's jelly wrestling whether jello is involved or not.
 
2013-05-07 01:10:52 PM
solution

get the men to wrestle in jelly as well.  Im sure some people would like that option.
 
2013-05-07 01:11:35 PM
www.stargatefan.com
 I have read of a place where humans do battle in a ring of Jello.
 
2013-05-07 01:12:52 PM

Magorn: I've no problem with some women saying "this is childish, grow the fark up ad stop drooling over a little side-boob lads"   but I do object to them saying this should not be ALLOWED. Period.  Unless the women are bieng forced at gunpoint to particpate it seems like some women WANT to wrestle in jello in their bikinis and what should you be allowed to take that choice away from them.   As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that


Call it whore justification.  What ever gets you through the day honey, you gotta make them dollars for that "college education" that you never get and cocoa butter, tattos, and vagazzle costs cash.

"Todos son putas, menos tu mama y tu abuela, y hubo un tiempo cuando no eran mamas ni abuelas."
Tio Miguel
 
2013-05-07 01:12:59 PM

J.Shelby: Blowing off steam . . .
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 428x640]


how could you tell the pig's name from the picture?
 
2013-05-07 01:14:25 PM
FTA: She said men had also complained that they felt uncomfortable with the sport.

www.magnificentbastard.ca
 
2013-05-07 01:14:48 PM
YOU'RE MY BOY, BLUE!
 
2013-05-07 01:14:54 PM
The petition by Nina de Paula Hanika a student at Magdalene - the college with which the Wyverns society is associated - calls for the gentlemanly drinking society to end the tradition.

I want no part of that.  I like drinking and smashing things....and defiling myself.
 
2013-05-07 01:15:15 PM
www.morethings.com
 
2013-05-07 01:16:10 PM

ManateeGag: is pudding OK?


Minimum of $240 worth required.
 
2013-05-07 01:16:29 PM
This is the main reason I did not attend Cambridge University. Well, besides poor grades and financial constrictions, but other than that I blew those tight asses off because they were no fun.
 
2013-05-07 01:18:43 PM

Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that


HAHAHAHA you believed that?

I bet you believed she was saving up for college too.
 
2013-05-07 01:19:06 PM
This isn't objectification of women. It's people getting drunk and having a good time. And to try to rationalize your disgust by saying objectification makes women feel like their whole self-worth is tied to their sex appeal is just idiotic. No one believes that feminist trope except other feminists.
 
2013-05-07 01:19:33 PM

Treygreen13: reillan: All the girls are in only one bikini?

Just confirming.  Please proceed.

They wrestle naked. The winner gets to wear the bikini. The loser has to wear jello the rest of the night.


"has to" or "gets to"?

/either way, relevant to my interests.
 
2013-05-07 01:19:37 PM
So, consenting adults on private(?) property that don't affect others? Yep, someone's got sand in vag on that.
 
2013-05-07 01:24:23 PM
There seems to be some kind of consistency of those that object to this type behavior.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-07 01:27:43 PM
The complaint claims that the jelly fight portrays women as "only good for their bodies, and that in order to contribute socially they must be sexualised objects."

 Just like football portrays men as only good for their bodies, and that in order to contribute socially they must be sexualised objects.

Sometimes a wrestling match is just a wrestling match.
 
2013-05-07 01:27:49 PM
Oh it's in England. nvm
 
2013-05-07 01:29:33 PM

99.998er: There seems to be some kind of consistency of those that object to this type behavior.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 333x339]


I love that picture.  Highschool all over again for that girl.
 
2013-05-07 01:31:14 PM
Counterpoint:  They knew what they were getting into.
 
2013-05-07 01:31:59 PM
She said men had also complained that they felt uncomfortable with the sport.

Men?  You mean the crew of the Raging Queen?

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-07 01:34:24 PM
img703.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-07 01:35:18 PM

Pinner: Sweet! Chicks wrestling in one bikini there's bound to be titty showing!


It's England, I think subby is using the phrase "girls in bikini" the same way they say someone is "in hospital" or "at university."
 
2013-05-07 01:35:27 PM
The half-naked wrestling competition caused embarrassment for the prestigious university when, five years ago, a 23-year-old student was arrested and cautioned for assaulting a spectator

They sure must embarrass easily.
 
2013-05-07 01:39:20 PM

blatz514: [www.hotflick.net image 720x540]


YOUR MY BOY BLUE!!!
 
2013-05-07 01:39:40 PM

Magorn: I've no problem with some women saying "this is childish, grow the fark up ad stop drooling over a little side-boob lads"   but I do object to them saying this should not be ALLOWED. Period.  Unless the women are bieng forced at gunpoint to particpate it seems like some women WANT to wrestle in jello in their bikinis and what should you be allowed to take that choice away from them.   As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that


And that is what every stripper tells themselves to feel better about it. Hookers to.

strippers hookers jons and guys tossing their money at a stripper.

there is plenty of shame for all to have
 
2013-05-07 01:39:50 PM

Banned on the Run: Pinner: Sweet! Chicks wrestling in one bikini there's bound to be titty showing!

It's England, I think subby is using the phrase "girls in bikini" the same way they say someone is "in hospital" or "at university."


thanks for farking that fantasy up.  I'll bet you used to cock block your college roommate by pretending you didn't see the hat on the doorknob
 
2013-05-07 01:39:55 PM

kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

I bet you believed she was saving up for college too.


She didn't need to, she's become an extremely sucessful artist after she stopped dancing, no college required.   An yeah I believed her because  someone who really never minded being naked given even half an excuse, so getting paid for it was just win-win for her.  (I knew my wife was a keeper when, very early inour relationship, I took her to a group camp-out, and this friend who I hadn;t seen in a while came running stark naked out of her tent, and leapt into my arms for a full-body hug.  With said friend still wrapped around me, I turned to my then GF and said "Honey, this is X" and without batting an eye she stuck out her hand and said "nice to meet you")

And yeah, thanks to her and a couple of others I knew in her profession, I pretty much stopped going to strip clubs,  not because I felt it was somehow exploitative of the dancers but because I tound out that the number #1 emotion dancers feel for club patrons isn't love, or appreciation, or disgust or resentment or even hatred, but simple pity.   The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.
 
2013-05-07 01:41:28 PM
may the odds be ever in your favor
 
2013-05-07 01:42:39 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Magorn: I've no problem with some women saying "this is childish, grow the fark up ad stop drooling over a little side-boob lads"   but I do object to them saying this should not be ALLOWED. Period.  Unless the women are bieng forced at gunpoint to particpate it seems like some women WANT to wrestle in jello in their bikinis and what should you be allowed to take that choice away from them.   As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

And that is what every stripper tells themselves to feel better about it. Hookers to.

strippers hookers jons and guys tossing their money at a stripper.

there is plenty of shame for all to have


Or onoe, if people stop bothering consenting adults for doing their own damn business.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:01 PM
The event is put together by students and held off campus, according to the article. How can the university ban something that they have no control over?

"To use that tired excuse is to ignore the huge number of women who have contacted me to tell me how personally degraded, devalued and marginalised even the idea of this has made them feel."

Well then, don't go. Obviously the 2 participants (and however many onlookers) that DO choose to participate (and get paid for doing so) aren't being forced to.

If I don't like something (like a TV show, or a particular sporting event like the LFL), I just don't watch it (or attend the event). I certainly don't think it's MY right to tell someone else how to live just because I don't agree with what they're doing.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:49 PM
Noticed we are talking English chicks and saw first pic and thought; How about No!

Move this to a Swedish or Dutch school where the girls are hotter
 
2013-05-07 01:45:21 PM

Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

I bet you believed she was saving up for college too.

She didn't need to, she's become an extremely sucessful artist after she stopped dancing, no college required.   An yeah I believed her because  someone who really never minded being naked given even half an excuse, so getting paid for it was just win-win for her.  (I knew my wife was a keeper when, very early inour relationship, I took her to a group camp-out, and this friend who I hadn;t seen in a while came running stark naked out of her tent, and leapt into my arms for a full-body hug.  With said friend still wrapped around me, I turned to my then GF and said "Honey, this is X" and without batting an eye she stuck out her hand and said "nice to meet you")

And yeah, thanks to her and a couple of others I knew in her profession, I pretty much stopped going to strip clubs,  not because I felt it was somehow exploitative of the dancers but because I tound out that the number #1 emotion dancers feel for club patrons isn't love, or appreciation, or disgust or resentment or even hatred, but simple pity.   The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.


Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services". 

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".
 
2013-05-07 01:46:18 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So, consenting adults on private(?) property that don't affect others? Yep, someone's got sand in vag on that.


It's not co-ed therefore it is sexist.
 
2013-05-07 01:46:54 PM

Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

I bet you believed she was saving up for college too.

She didn't need to, she's become an extremely sucessful artist after she stopped dancing, no college required.   An yeah I believed her because  someone who really never minded being naked given even half an excuse, so getting paid for it was just win-win for her.  (I knew my wife was a keeper when, very early inour relationship, I took her to a group camp-out, and this friend who I hadn;t seen in a while came running stark naked out of her tent, and leapt into my arms for a full-body hug.  With said friend still wrapped around me, I turned to my then GF and said "Honey, this is X" and without batting an eye she stuck out her hand and said "nice to meet you")

And yeah, thanks to her and a couple of others I knew in her profession, I pretty much stopped going to strip clubs,  not because I felt it was somehow exploitative of the dancers but because I tound out that the number #1 emotion dancers feel for club patrons isn't love, or appreciation, or disgust or resentment or even hatred, but simple pity.   The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.


You know its funny. Ive often felt pity for the girls dancing for dollars. To know your only worth is your naughty bits.

strip clubs strippers and the patrons that frequent them are all pretty low man.

anyone coming out of one that says their proud of what went on is lying.

aside from the charlie sheen factor.
 
2013-05-07 01:48:57 PM

ObscureNameHere: ManateeGag: is pudding OK?

Minimum of $240 worth required.


Awwwwwwwwwyeah...
 
2013-05-07 01:52:40 PM

RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".


I've known plenty of strippers who were as close to proud as you're going to get.  They considered themselves hot and in demand, and in control.  They make pretty good money for what they consider not that much different than a slutty college girl.  They just do it on demand for cash.  Some of them also offered services on the side.

The common denominator among all of them is A) they don't care if you think they are unsavoury because they make more than most of the guys judging them and B) It's about cash, cash, and cash for a lot of them, with drugs and sex being what they do for fun.
 
2013-05-07 01:53:04 PM

Wile_E_Canuck: ObscureNameHere: ManateeGag: is pudding OK?

Minimum of $240 worth required.

Awwwwwwwwwyeah...


First I cook, then i chill.
 
2013-05-07 01:53:04 PM
Right on! That barbaric sport should be stopped. It's shameful that in America in 2013 women can be kidnapped and forced to wrestle in Jello.

What's that? The wrestlers volunteer? Ohhhh...
 
2013-05-07 01:54:34 PM

RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".


Sounds like Hollywood.
 
2013-05-07 01:55:35 PM
These are Tabs, right?  The authorities are right to shut this down for the sake of the health of spectators' vision.
 
2013-05-07 01:56:10 PM

Mr Guy: RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".

I've known plenty of strippers who were as close to proud as you're going to get.  They considered themselves hot and in demand, and in control.  They make pretty good money for what they consider not that much different than a slutty college girl.  They just do it on demand for cash.  Some of them also offered services on the side.

The common denominator among all of them is A) they don't care if you think they are unsavoury because they make more than most of the guys judging them and B) It's about cash, cash, and cash for a lot of them, with drugs and sex being what they do for fun.


I couldn't agree more. I am cool with strippers and consider it a perfectly fine industry. I also don't have any moral hangups surrounding the whole spectacle. (To the poster above -- it doesn't bother me in the least to have frequented gentleman's clubs as a pastime to kick off a drinking night downtown. It's not "shameful" in the least).

However, to assert that it is some theoretical empowerment framework and that we should pity either the dancers or the patrons is a bit too saccharine for me. Dancing girls are nothing new. At least they are free actors in our society and not slaves, literally. In some cases yes, in other cases, hot girls making mad bank from horny patrons. 

Either way I don't take a moral stand on it other than that it's a perfectly acceptable practice and enjoyable for many.
 
2013-05-07 01:56:48 PM

RockofAges: Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

I bet you believed she was saving up for college too.

She didn't need to, she's become an extremely sucessful artist after she stopped dancing, no college required.   An yeah I believed her because  someone who really never minded being naked given even half an excuse, so getting paid for it was just win-win for her.  (I knew my wife was a keeper when, very early inour relationship, I took her to a group camp-out, and this friend who I hadn;t seen in a while came running stark naked out of her tent, and leapt into my arms for a full-body hug.  With said friend still wrapped around me, I turned to my then GF and said "Honey, this is X" and without batting an eye she stuck out her hand and said "nice to meet you")

And yeah, thanks to her and a couple of others I knew in her profession, I pretty much stopped going to strip clubs,  not because I felt it was somehow exploitative of the dancers but because I tound out that the number #1 emotion dancers feel for club patrons isn't love, or appreciation, or disgust or resentment or even hatred, but simple pity.   The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.

Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services". 

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".


Very true, but that has a lot to do with the fact that most women don;t reach the point where they can oversome social taboos about nudity and body shame without being either A) desperate (usually to feed an addiction)  or B) someone with some SERIOUS psychological damage from their childhood. or both.  It's kind of a chicken and egg thing that way.   Does stripping damage women or are most strippers "damaged" women to start with.

Now my dear friend quit the biz when she realized that she was beginning to judge her own self image based on her nightly haul of cash.  In other words my sex-positive VERY feminist friend realized she was allowing someone else to define how pretty and valuable she felt, and she basically said "fark that noise" and got out.  That's a level of self-awareness a lot of folks don't have, much less people in her profession.

I did have one friend who was extremely proud of her stripping career (she was a dancer to start with), but again it was because she did it at an unusual woman-owned club in New orleans called "maiden voyage" that was more about art and performance than "nekkid chicks" .  (or so they told themselves)   Again she quit when Hustler bought the old owners out and the place got sleazy in a hurry
 
2013-05-07 02:00:29 PM

Taolie: The complaint claims that the jelly fight portrays women as "only good for their bodies, and that in order to contribute socially they must be sexualised objects."

 Just like football portrays men as only good for their bodies, and that in order to contribute socially they must be sexualised objects.

Sometimes a wrestling match is just a wrestling match.


Ha ha, good one! :) The only reason 99.9999% of men watch chicks wrestling in jello is because it's hot. And there is nothing wrong with that. If some attractive AW wants to show off their bod to a bunch of drooling drunkards, more power to them.
 
2013-05-07 02:00:45 PM

r1niceboy: [www.stargatefan.com image 468x351]
 I have read of a place where humans do battle in a ring of Jello.


Thank you. This made my day. :)
 
2013-05-07 02:01:47 PM

RockofAges: Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".


"Successful artist" = does porn now
 
2013-05-07 02:04:42 PM

Magorn: Very true, but that has a lot to do with the fact that most women don;t reach the point where they can oversome social taboos about nudity and body shame without being either A) desperate (usually to feed an addiction) or B) someone with some SERIOUS psychological damage from their childhood. or both. It's kind of a chicken and egg thing that way. Does stripping damage women or are most strippers "damaged" women to start with.


More like, what sort of woman is willing to consider her body and modesty a commodity in the first place. How many women who say they wouldn't strip for money actually has the body to earn the kind of money some of these women can make?
 
2013-05-07 02:05:03 PM

Mr Guy: RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".

I've known plenty of strippers who were as close to proud as you're going to get.  They considered themselves hot and in demand, and in control.  They make pretty good money for what they consider not that much different than a slutty college girl.  They just do it on demand for cash.  Some of them also offered services on the side.

The common denominator among all of them is A) they don't care if you think they are unsavoury because they make more than most of the guys judging them and B) It's about cash, cash, and cash for a lot of them, with drugs and sex being what they do for fun.


Im sure they rationalize it quite easily. Hell I used to tell myself the same thing when I would sell shiat to them patrons.
Strippers hookers drug dealers. All have the same attitude about it. Easy money. If the cash is good and your getting ahead thats cool. But dont try and pretend like its something to be proud of

every dollar aint a good dollar.
 
2013-05-07 02:11:00 PM

Mr Guy: More like, what sort of woman is willing to consider her body and modesty a commodity in the first place.


www.bridalguide.com

I believe two months' salary is the going rate, right?
 
2013-05-07 02:13:08 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Mr Guy: RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".

I've known plenty of strippers who were as close to proud as you're going to get.  They considered themselves hot and in demand, and in control.  They make pretty good money for what they consider not that much different than a slutty college girl.  They just do it on demand for cash.  Some of them also offered services on the side.

The common denominator among all of them is A) they don't care if you think they are unsavoury because they make more than most of the guys judging them and B) It's about cash, cash, and cash for a lot of them, with drugs and sex being what they do for fun.

Im sure they rationalize it quite easily. Hell I used to tell myself the same thing when I would sell shiat to them patrons.
Strippers hookers drug dealers. All have the same attitude about it. Easy money. If the cash is good and your getting ahead thats cool. But dont try and pretend like its something to be proud of

every dollar aint a good dollar.


I'm not really being snarky, but frankly, white-collar "investment bankers" and "venture capitalists" earn a lot more money than strippers and are doing a lot more damage to our society in parasitic fashion.

But we call them "successful" and promote them as the "winners" in our game. In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.
 
2013-05-07 02:14:25 PM

EyeballKid: Mr Guy: More like, what sort of woman is willing to consider her body and modesty a commodity in the first place.

[www.bridalguide.com image 600x600]

I believe two months' salary is the going rate, right?


i181.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-07 02:20:47 PM

RockofAges: In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.


That seems like a great conclusion on the surface, but that's built on the assumption that all investment bankers, etc. are despicable people who cheat to get what they want.  In fact, it's a small percentage of them.  To that, I'd say there's a much smaller percentage of educated women who use stripping to improve their lives.

It's a nice sentiment that strippers just feel sorry for the men they take money from, but when you decide that stripping is good money, you've pretty much sunk to their levels.
 
2013-05-07 02:25:31 PM

Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

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  The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.



Really ????  You mean there is a place where women get naked and act all slutty in front of men for FREE ???????
 
2013-05-07 02:26:17 PM
Ya know, I'll admit, I'm just here for the bikini wrestling pics.

/and the offchance of a little bie action
 
2013-05-07 02:27:06 PM

kwame: RockofAges: In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.

That seems like a great conclusion on the surface, but that's built on the assumption that all investment bankers, etc. are despicable people who cheat to get what they want.  In fact, it's a small percentage of them.  To that, I'd say there's a much smaller percentage of educated women who use stripping to improve their lives.

It's a nice sentiment that strippers just feel sorry for the men they take money from, but when you decide that stripping is good money, you've pretty much sunk to their levels.


I would contest this, actually. I think the profession itself and the apparatus surrounding it is corrupt, therefor most actors engaging in the practice (which has been proven, already, to have raped our society) are smooth sailing it. It may be anecdotal, but most people I've met in this echelon of society are self-serving, selfish, and ultimately sociopathic individuals due to a huge lack of empathy.

Just because it doesn't have the grunge factor of a lower-class job doesn't mean that it isn't harmful. I'm not lauding strippers --

but at least when they fark someone, both parties are agreeing to it. White collar rats thrive by farking great masses of people, without their consent, and in doing so damage our entire society. Strippers and dancing girls have been around forever, one of the oldest professions. White collar criminals are a byproduct of capitalism (nee mercantilism) and they are far more insidious (due to our veneration of them, despite the fact that they are in fact largely responsible for the woes of our society) and they span a large grouping of occupations. Elitists, namely.
 
2013-05-07 02:29:04 PM
Also, pics or this thread is worthless.
 
2013-05-07 02:31:10 PM

RockofAges: Also, pics or this thread is worthless.


This is what I'm saying!
 
2013-05-07 02:32:35 PM
At southern illinois university we used to have parties where bikini girls wrestled in ramen noodles. I don't know why
 
2013-05-07 02:33:45 PM

TrollingForColumbine: At southern illinois university we used to have parties where bikini girls wrestled in ramen noodles. I don't know why


Ramen's cheaper than Jell-O?
 
2013-05-07 02:35:01 PM

Strik3r: Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

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  The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.


Really ????  You mean there is a place where women get naked and act all slutty in front of men for FREE ???????


Wow.  You really need to get out more...we call them "sorority mixers"
 
2013-05-07 02:36:01 PM
fc05.deviantart.net
www.stag-bratislava.com
red-hot-girls.com
xaxor.com
fcbahistory.pbworks.com
 
2013-05-07 02:39:13 PM

TrollingForColumbine: At southern illinois university we used to have parties where bikini girls wrestled in ramen noodles. I don't know why


Why not?
 
2013-05-07 02:49:02 PM

Magorn: And yeah, thanks to her and a couple of others I knew in her profession, I pretty much stopped going to strip clubs, not because I felt it was somehow exploitative of the dancers but because I tound out that the number #1 emotion dancers feel for club patrons isn't love, or appreciation, or disgust or resentment or even hatred, but simple pity. The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.


Hrm, what is going through their minds then when you turn them down for dances? My experience has been that they get pretty angry about it.

A few are graceful about it, but I remember one rather unattractive chick trying to get a friend thrown out of a club in Montreal, claiming he was gay etc and shouldn't be there after he said he wasn't interested to her.
 
2013-05-07 02:49:05 PM

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Thank you!!!

/was gonna say "ENOUGH WITH THE DEBATE OVER THE ETHICS OF STRIPPING" and get on with the postin' of bikini wrestling pics
//although....not sure wtf is goin' on with that first pic
 
2013-05-07 02:52:05 PM

RockofAges: I'm not really being snarky, but frankly, white-collar "investment bankers" and "venture capitalists" and especially "POLITICIANS" earn a lot more money than strippers and are doing a lot more damage to our society in parasitic fashion.


FTFY
 
2013-05-07 03:09:25 PM

kwame: RockofAges: In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.

That seems like a great conclusion on the surface, but that's built on the assumption that all investment bankers, etc. are despicable people who cheat to get what they want.  In fact, it's a small percentage of them.  To that, I'd say there's a much smaller percentage of educated women who use stripping to improve their lives.

It's a nice sentiment that strippers just feel sorry for the men they take money from, but when you decide that stripping is good money, you've pretty much sunk to their levels.


Hahaha.  How many investment bankers have you met that aren't your friends?  Id rather trust a stripper with my money.
 
2013-05-07 03:12:11 PM
' the huge number of women who have contacted me to tell me how personally degraded, devalued and marginalised even the idea of this has made them feel."

Then change the channel.
 
2013-05-07 03:16:18 PM
A job doesn't make you who you are, whether that job is stripping or anything else. That being said, certain jobs tend to attract certain personality types and issues. People attracted to high-risk investment banking are more likely to be greedy, a little shady, competitive, and intelligent. In the case of strippers, it's a job that pays well that has no background check (usually), no drug testing (usually), and encourages a "party" atmosphere. Therefore, if you're a felon or a drug addict, stripping is a great profession for you. It doesn't mean that ALL strippers are felons or drug addicts, but it's one of the few jobs available for women with a checkered past.

But quit trying to say there's something moral or exploitative about it. There isn't. And unless you're at a crappy club with crappy managers, it can be very empowering. I remember when I'd walk out of the dressing room into my club, it was MY club. I felt every bit as at home there as in my own living room. If I had a customer doing something I didn't like, all it took was a word to the manager and they were gone. I set the rules about what was and was not allowed with me, and my managers/bouncers helped me to enforce those rules if necessary.

And maybe it's because I'm more of a conversationalist than a party girl, but I'd say that at least 70% of my customers weren't even all that interested in the sexual or party aspect of it. Most of my customers wanted a little company, a little conversation, and a little companionship. I've had customers pay me $20 a song just to hug them. I've had them cry on my shoulder in the VIP room as they told me about their experiences in Afghanistan or the murder of their grandfather. I've spent time in the VIP room or champagne room discussing politics, current events, or even (in one particularly unusual case) having an hour-long conversation about the history of the early Christian church and the role of Constantine in establishment of Biblical canon. I've even repaired a few marriages!

One of my regulars would come in because he wasn't really attracted to his wife anymore. She had gained a lot of weight and that wasn't a problem until she started trying to lose it and then became constantly depressed about it. After he told me about it, we talked together about some ideas for helping her to feel more beautiful and appreciated, and about ways he could talk to her about it without starting a fight. He came back once a week for a few months, and then I didn't see him for about three months. The next time I saw him, he brought his wife into the club. She took my hand and thanked me for saving their marriage and told me that their relationship was better than ever.

I'm unusual, but I'm not entirely unique. There are all kinds of strippers, just like there are all kinds of prostitutes or all kinds of used car dealers. You can't generalize about how something will make a woman feel if you are NOT that woman.
 
2013-05-07 03:20:08 PM

kwame: It's a nice sentiment that strippers just feel sorry for the men they take money from, but when you decide that stripping is good money, you've pretty much sunk to their levels.


It's a nice sentiment that you've already decided that their job means they are on a lower level than you, but when you wake up you may realize that six figures is a lot of money for someone without a formal degree, even if they can only make it for a limited set of years.  Just because you look down on them for how they earn it doesn't mean it doesn't spend the same.
 
2013-05-07 03:20:40 PM

TrollingForColumbine: At southern illinois university we used to have parties where bikini girls wrestled in ramen noodles. I don't know why


Because they're farking delicious!

/ate way too many during college
//the smell of them now makes me wanna hurl
 
2013-05-07 03:21:36 PM

Magorn: Strik3r: Magorn: kwame: Magorn: As my friend the ex-stripper, used to note, she didn't feel degraded when men gave her money to see her naked, if anything she felt that the men degraded THEMSELVES by doing that

HAHAHAHA you believed that?

.
.
.
.
.
  The feel bad that these losers have to pay to see a girl naked, and obviously have trouble making real connections with women.


Really ????  You mean there is a place where women get naked and act all slutty in front of men for FREE ???????

Wow.  You really need to get out more...we call them "sorority mixers"


lets face it, not every adult is a college student
 
2013-05-07 03:22:40 PM
Let the games begin!
shermanscrossing.spacebison.com
 
2013-05-07 03:30:10 PM

RockofAges: kwame: RockofAges: In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.

That seems like a great conclusion on the surface, but that's built on the assumption that all investment bankers, etc. are despicable people who cheat to get what they want.  In fact, it's a small percentage of them.  To that, I'd say there's a much smaller percentage of educated women who use stripping to improve their lives.

It's a nice sentiment that strippers just feel sorry for the men they take money from, but when you decide that stripping is good money, you've pretty much sunk to their levels.

I would contest this, actually. I think the profession itself and the apparatus surrounding it is corrupt, therefor most actors engaging in the practice (which has been proven, already, to have raped our society) are smooth sailing it. It may be anecdotal, but most people I've met in this echelon of society are self-serving, selfish, and ultimately sociopathic individuals due to a huge lack of empathy.

Just because it doesn't have the grunge factor of a lower-class job doesn't mean that it isn't harmful. I'm not lauding strippers --

but at least when they fark someone, both parties are agreeing to it. White collar rats thrive by farking great masses of people, without their consent, and in doing so damage our entire society. Strippers and dancing girls have been around forever, one of the oldest professions. White collar criminals are a byproduct of capitalism (nee mercantilism) and they are far more insidious (due to our veneration of them, despite the fact that they are in fact largely responsible for the woes of our society) and they span a large grouping of occupations. Elitists, namely.


White collar crime is not a product of capitalism, white collar just means that the crime is non-violent and financially motivated, if you saying that white collar crimes exist because there exists money, then sure, I guess. But there will always be people trying to get more for themselves via illegal means
 
2013-05-07 04:22:26 PM

Magorn: Now my dear friend quit the biz when she realized that she was beginning to judge her own self image based on her nightly haul of cash. In other words my sex-positive VERY feminist friend realized she was allowing someone else to define how pretty and valuable she felt, and she basically said "fark that noise" and got out. That's a level of self-awareness a lot of folks don't have, much less people in her profession.


I don't get it. That's the entire nature of "beauty", it's entirely subjective. It's not something to debate or "feel good" about.
Cheetahs are faster than zebras.
Gorillas are stronger than chimpanzees.
Dolphins are more in intelligent than cockroaches.
But nothing in the universe can be proven to be more beautiful than anything else.

What was this story about again?
 
2013-05-07 04:31:24 PM

RockofAges: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Mr Guy: RockofAges: Is that why a huge portion of exotic dancers date unsavoury characters, to put it lightly? It's a hard-ass profession and it's not about "pity" or "sociology", it's about cash, drugs, and sex for the majority of the workers. Most strippers also offer "extra services".

Your friend is an outlier. Most strippers don't cash out and become "successful artists".

I've known plenty of strippers who were as close to proud as you're going to get.  They considered themselves hot and in demand, and in control.  They make pretty good money for what they consider not that much different than a slutty college girl.  They just do it on demand for cash.  Some of them also offered services on the side.

The common denominator among all of them is A) they don't care if you think they are unsavoury because they make more than most of the guys judging them and B) It's about cash, cash, and cash for a lot of them, with drugs and sex being what they do for fun.

Im sure they rationalize it quite easily. Hell I used to tell myself the same thing when I would sell shiat to them patrons.
Strippers hookers drug dealers. All have the same attitude about it. Easy money. If the cash is good and your getting ahead thats cool. But dont try and pretend like its something to be proud of

every dollar aint a good dollar.

I'm not really being snarky, but frankly, white-collar "investment bankers" and "venture capitalists" earn a lot more money than strippers and are doing a lot more damage to our society in parasitic fashion.

But we call them "successful" and promote them as the "winners" in our game. In my personal opinion, I would say that a stripper actually has a more noble profession.


Ive always thought of them as parasites myself. Just like anyone who makes money off of the stupid the addicted and the poor.
 
2013-05-07 04:31:56 PM

kvinesknows: solution

get the men to wrestle in jelly as well.  Im sure some people would like that option.


Yay!
 
2013-05-07 04:35:17 PM
whatirealized.files.wordpress.com
"What's wrong with being sexy?"
 
2013-05-07 05:11:51 PM
This is not a bookmark.
 
2013-05-07 06:39:45 PM
They should ban beaches and pools as well.  I've heard some women dress shamefully there.  Why not just go ahead and admit they want sharia law?

/just like with racism, it often turns out the only sexist in the room is the one crying sexism
 
2013-05-07 07:12:52 PM

SpaceBison: Let the games begin!
[shermanscrossing.spacebison.com image 850x637]


What the hell?  That ain't in AR 350-1, FM 21-20 or FM 7-22 that I recollect.
 
2013-05-07 10:45:31 PM

morgantx: A job doesn't make you who you are, whether that job is stripping or anything else. That being said, certain jobs tend to attract certain personality types and issues. People attracted to high-risk investment banking are more likely to be greedy, a little shady, competitive, and intelligent. In the case of strippers, it's a job that pays well that has no background check (usually), no drug testing (usually), and encourages a "party" atmosphere. Therefore, if you're a felon or a drug addict, stripping is a great profession for you. It doesn't mean that ALL strippers are felons or drug addicts, but it's one of the few jobs available for women with a checkered past.

But quit trying to say there's something moral or exploitative about it. There isn't. And unless you're at a crappy club with crappy managers, it can be very empowering. I remember when I'd walk out of the dressing room into my club, it was MY club. I felt every bit as at home there as in my own living room. If I had a customer doing something I didn't like, all it took was a word to the manager and they were gone. I set the rules about what was and was not allowed with me, and my managers/bouncers helped me to enforce those rules if necessary.

And maybe it's because I'm more of a conversationalist than a party girl, but I'd say that at least 70% of my customers weren't even all that interested in the sexual or party aspect of it. Most of my customers wanted a little company, a little conversation, and a little companionship. I've had customers pay me $20 a song just to hug them. I've had them cry on my shoulder in the VIP room as they told me about their experiences in Afghanistan or the murder of their grandfather. I've spent time in the VIP room or champagne room discussing politics, current events, or even (in one particularly unusual case) having an hour-long conversation about the history of the early Christian church and the role of Constantine in establishment of Biblical canon. I've even repaired ...


I think I'd rather pay for a listener than a wiggler. You're cheaper than shrinks, that's for sure.
 
2013-05-08 12:03:27 AM

EyeballKid: Mr Guy: More like, what sort of woman is willing to consider her body and modesty a commodity in the first place.

[www.bridalguide.com image 600x600]

I believe two months' salary is the going rate, right?


LOL
no farking way I am spending that much money on a ring
plus, I still have the last ring and I can just reuse it ... right?
 
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