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2013-05-07 03:17:07 PM

maddogdelta: doyner:


Remember this guy?  He didn't die of a heart attack while banging a hooker in Cleveland...
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I've seen too many episodes of "Family Guy'.

/shudder.
 
2013-05-07 03:17:40 PM

insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.


Sadly it does little to encourage proper marksmanship on the part of the police. They can simply pull an Arab spray and pray and get away with it. I guess thats why there are so many cases of police shooting bystanders...they have zero reason to be accurate.

Armed civilians on the other hand are held to the perfection standard...we had best hit our target, and only our target, because we are on the line for any injuries caused. Case in point the Oregon mall shooting last year...an armed civilian had the shooter in his sights, yet held his fire because of people in the background.
 
2013-05-07 03:20:09 PM

insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.


I don't like how that law works. People should be responsible for their shooting. Responsibility should be instilled on the person who pulls the trigger.
 
2013-05-07 03:24:55 PM
There was an armed robber that someone slipped out the back and called the police on, while said robber was in action at a convenience store.  The nearest police officer was in the process of responding when they ran a red light and t-boned someone.  Two of the people in the car that got hit died.  The armed robber was eventually caught, and charged with two counts of murder.
 
2013-05-07 03:25:03 PM
There's a report out that in 2011, in all of Germany, police officers shot a total of 85 bullets. About half of them were just warning shots. Only 15 or so were at intended targets and they succeeded in putting them down (not necessarily killing them).
 
2013-05-07 03:28:58 PM

dericwater: There's a report out that in 2011, in all of Germany, police officers shot a total of 85 bullets. About half of them were just warning shots. Only 15 or so were at intended targets and they succeeded in putting them down (not necessarily killing them).


I would like to see this report because just from the bold portion it is bullshiat. You always shoot to hit your target in the body and never fire warning shots because a bullet has to stop somewhere, and if you are not firing at your target it can very well hit an innocent bystander.
 
2013-05-07 03:37:36 PM

JK47: Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?


In general your privilege to exercise deadly force in self defense is limited to situations in which you were the target of force threatening serious or deadly bodily harm.  You can, I believe, exercise this right if someone else would be so privileged (e.g. defending another who is being threatened).  However, given the fact that cops were already engaging the terrorists, gun wielding bystanders, no matter how well-intentioned, won't be helpful and could make a chaotic situation much more confusing than it already is.


Ah, but if the cops start shooting at you after you start shooting the bad guy and manage to hit each other then, who gets charged in that case?
 
2013-05-07 03:38:26 PM
Question is, who shot first?

insidepulse.com
 
2013-05-07 03:38:34 PM
Where is the mainstream media calling about the lack of training where police officers shoot each other or innocent civilians instead of the actual suspect.  Oh, they have a badge so it is okay. *crickets*
 
2013-05-07 03:39:28 PM

Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.


Yep. If you commit a crime and someone dies in the course of that crime, even if you just get in a traffic accident or something, guess what? You're charged with murder now.
 
2013-05-07 03:40:03 PM
But what if I fire two shots and one of them goes into orbit and the other strikes a man dead. Then I am found not guilty because of a technicality. Then the guy is found to have been faking his death and the other bullet comes back down and really kills him?
 
2013-05-07 03:41:55 PM
I dunno.

This whole thing just reminds me about even though we want to know what happened RIGHT NOW, as soon as it's occurring, and love to jump to conclusions based on whatever is immediately seen, reported, or guessed, over time (and only over time) do enough facts come out to let us have a more complete picture.

I guess I should chalk it up to human nature.
 
2013-05-07 03:44:58 PM

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"Did we hit him?"
"WHAT?!
"I SAID, DID WE HIT HIM?!"
"WHAT?"
"HEY, DO YOU GUYS KNOW IF WE HIT HIM?!"
"WHAT?!"

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2013-05-07 03:46:36 PM

ideamaster: Where is the mainstream media calling about the lack of training where police officers shoot each other or innocent civilians instead of the actual suspect.  Oh, they have a badge so it is okay. *crickets*


No amount of training is going to prepare for a situation when you are in a shootout with somebody.
 
2013-05-07 03:47:41 PM

Theaetetus: Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Theaetetus: VegasVinnie: another 200 rounds shot at a boat (on land and not really moving very fast)

On the contrary... At roughly 41 degrees N, that boat was moving about 785 miles per hour. Frankly, it's impressive that they were able to get off 200 rounds while it was in range.

Not to mention 200 rounds fired at an unarmed suspect.

That was from the earlier gunfight, the one where Tamerlan Tsarnaev died, where they most definitely were armed.

Look it up, the reports are clear he was pulled from the boat unarmed.  Being armed earlier in the evening does not constitute being armed when arrested.

Yes he was pulled from the boat unarmed, but I haven't read anything credible saying the boat was fired upon when he was apprehended. Just some eyewitness reports of gunshots which were probably the flashbangs the police used. If someone knows otherwise please show me.

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Those aren't barnacles.


Asian Longhorn Beatles?
hyg.ipm.illinois.edu
 
2013-05-07 03:50:06 PM

trappedspirit: But what if I fire two shots and one of them goes into orbit and the other strikes a man dead. Then I am found not guilty because of a technicality. Then the guy is found to have been faking his death and the other bullet comes back down and really kills him?


Wasn't that the plot of that Ashley Juggs movie?  Double Impact?
 
2013-05-07 03:50:34 PM
Well amereican's were famous for bombing,shooting their allies in WW2 and WW1 so what's the difference with cops
 
2013-05-07 03:52:23 PM
Just another example of why cops should not have guns.
 
2013-05-07 03:52:47 PM

xria: Noticeably F.A.T.: A guy who carries has several key differences from the police. They made a decision to carry, and know that requires a lot of responsibility.

ROFL.

Oh wait you are serious

Dies of laughter.

/well figuratively, otherwise I wouldn't still be typ


Believe what you want, but the numbers bear me out. Look at how many people carry, and how often they don't kill anyone. If they were as bad as you seem to think, the streets would quite literally be running with blood. I know you want to imagine that 'most everyone with a gun is a slack-jawed moran who can't reholster his weapon without shooting another piece off his already small pud, but if that was true you'd have already been killed.
 
2013-05-07 03:54:07 PM

Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?



What the hell does Creadence Clearwater Revival has to do with this is beyond me.
 
2013-05-07 03:56:57 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Believe what you want, but the numbers bear me out. Look at how many people carry, and how often they don't kill anyone.


You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL.

/the numbers my ass
 
2013-05-07 04:04:13 PM

insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.


No. It means the cops have no incentive to avoid innocent casualties if the blame is deferred. Blame must be shared at a minimum.
 
2013-05-07 04:06:07 PM

rwfan: Theaetetus: Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Theaetetus: VegasVinnie: another 200 rounds shot at a boat (on land and not really moving very fast)

On the contrary... At roughly 41 degrees N, that boat was moving about 785 miles per hour. Frankly, it's impressive that they were able to get off 200 rounds while it was in range.

Not to mention 200 rounds fired at an unarmed suspect.

That was from the earlier gunfight, the one where Tamerlan Tsarnaev died, where they most definitely were armed.

Look it up, the reports are clear he was pulled from the boat unarmed.  Being armed earlier in the evening does not constitute being armed when arrested.

Yes he was pulled from the boat unarmed, but I haven't read anything credible saying the boat was fired upon when he was apprehended. Just some eyewitness reports of gunshots which were probably the flashbangs the police used. If someone knows otherwise please show me.

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Those aren't barnacles.

Asian Longhorn Beatles?
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While it's my understanding the cops did indeed fire that night, what you're seeing in that picture are not bullett holes.  Ditto on the beatles.
 
2013-05-07 04:08:12 PM

Warlordtrooper: They acted like jack booted thugs barging into peoples homes.


And in the end the they got him after the lock down because some citizen went outside and saw some blood on his boat.  So he calls it into the cops and look what he go for being a good citizen.  A shot up boat.  Makes me want to call the cops.
 
2013-05-07 04:09:16 PM

LasersHurt: You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL.


Assuming I cared enough to link them, would you believe anything else I gave you, or would you just dismiss the source?

/Citing anything on Fark, especially in a gun thread, is an exercise in futility.
 
2013-05-07 04:10:53 PM

Liinda: I could be wrong but it seems I read something once about an accomplice dying during the commission of a felony and the surviving felon being charged with the murder of his own accomplice. I think this little coward would be crushed if he were to be charged with his brother's murder


That's why they can charge him with felony murder.  He did run over the guy, after all...
 
2013-05-07 04:11:44 PM

LasersHurt: Noticeably F.A.T.: Believe what you want, but the numbers bear me out. Look at how many people carry, and how often they don't kill anyone.

You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL.

/the numbers my ass


 The same study concluded that Texas CHL holders were always less likely to commit any particular type of crime than the general population, and overall were 13 times less likely to commit any crime.
 
2013-05-07 04:12:10 PM

R.A.Danny: They'll be charged with the murder, which they deserve. There wouldn't be a killing if they weren't around.


So you have criminal liability for anything the authorities care to do while hunting you down. Fascinating. Have you adopted much else from the penal code of Stalinist Russia?
 
2013-05-07 04:13:42 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: LasersHurt: You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL.

Assuming I cared enough to link them, would you believe anything else I gave you, or would you just dismiss the source?

/Citing anything on Fark, especially in a gun thread, is an exercise in futility.


So you've gone from "the numbers clearly show this" to "I have no numbers and have shown nothing, but I'm STILL right!"


R.A.Danny: LasersHurt: Noticeably F.A.T.: Believe what you want, but the numbers bear me out. Look at how many people carry, and how often they don't kill anyone.

You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL.

/the numbers my ass

 The same study concluded that Texas CHL holders were always less likely to commit any particular type of crime than the general population, and overall were 13 times less likely to commit any crime.


His claim was that the average civilian gun owner has more training and practice time than the average cop. I've asked him to prove this several times. This has nothing to do with crime rates.
 
2013-05-07 04:15:40 PM

LasersHurt: His claim was that the average civilian gun owner has more training and practice time than the average cop. I've asked him to prove this several times. This has nothing to do with crime rates.


I missed that in this novella and context was no friend of mine.
 
2013-05-07 04:16:06 PM

2 grams: rwfan: Theaetetus:[www.bellenews.com image 634x843]
Those aren't barnacles.

Asian Longhorn Beatles?
[hyg.ipm.illinois.edu image 550x405]

While it's my understanding the cops did indeed fire that night, what you're seeing in that picture are not bullett holes.  Ditto on the beatles.


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.netWhat the FBI individually tagging multiple "beetle holes" of varying calibers in the center of mass of the boat may look like.
 
2013-05-07 04:16:23 PM

R.A.Danny: LasersHurt: His claim was that the average civilian gun owner has more training and practice time than the average cop. I've asked him to prove this several times. This has nothing to do with crime rates.

I missed that in this novella and context was no friend of mine.


Yeah that'll happen, these threads move fast.
 
2013-05-07 04:16:53 PM
Wherever there's a cop shooting a rent-a-cop, I'll be there, too
 
2013-05-07 04:17:45 PM

medius: Cork on Fork: Again, I can only use New York as an example but our statute specifically says the murder has to be committed by "another participant" of the crime. So a cop shooting another cop, or even a cop who accidentally kills a civilian, does not trigger the FM rule.

glad I only had to take the NY bar exam once (and that I don't work criminal law)


After I took that exam I said that pass or fail I was not taking it again. Thankfully I never had to revisit that statement.

And criminal law is where it's at (for me, at least). Never gets boring.
 
2013-05-07 04:19:42 PM
There's a whole lot of legal things going on here, like Habeas corpus, Double Indemnity, Double Jeopardy, Stand Your Ground, and the Magna Carta.
 
2013-05-07 04:34:13 PM

LasersHurt: So you've gone from "the numbers clearly show this" to "I have no numbers and have shown nothing, but I'm STILL right!"


I have numbers. I'm just not bothering to give them to you.
 
2013-05-07 04:40:10 PM

bizzwire: jeez...if he's only been armed, then he wouldn't have gotten shot.


Right-o !   And because he wasn't able to prevent it, nobody should be able to have one!
 
2013-05-07 04:40:46 PM

kim jong-un: insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.

No. It means the cops have no incentive to avoid innocent casualties if the blame is deferred. Blame must be shared at a minimum.


The police wouldn't need to be firing in the first place if the perpetrator had not created the dangerous situation. This is the gist of 'but-for' reasoning. The police (regardless of their good/poor marksmanship) would not have fired their weapons near a civilian but for the perpetrator endangering the lives of police officers.
 
2013-05-07 04:42:00 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: LasersHurt: So you've gone from "the numbers clearly show this" to "I have no numbers and have shown nothing, but I'm STILL right!"

I have numbers. I'm just not bothering to give them to you.


lol
 
2013-05-07 04:43:48 PM

LasersHurt: lol


I'm just as amused.
 
2013-05-07 04:44:03 PM

ongbok: ideamaster: Where is the mainstream media calling about the lack of training where police officers shoot each other or innocent civilians instead of the actual suspect.  Oh, they have a badge so it is okay. *crickets*

No amount of training is going to prepare for a situation when you are in a shootout with somebody.


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/brady-campaign-obama-agrees-on-danger s- of-concealed-carry

"I am not in favor of concealed weapons.  I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."  -President Obama

So again the government and the media are holding lawful citizens to unbalanced standards.  I blame youtube...
 
2013-05-07 04:45:54 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: LasersHurt: lol

I'm just as amused.


I can't imagine how. But if it makes you happy to just tell people you're right, and you could prove it, but you won't  - you go right ahead, honey.
 
2013-05-07 04:46:37 PM

ideamaster: So again the government and the media are holding lawful citizens to unbalanced standards.


What does anything you've said or has been posted in the thread have to do with Concealed Carry?
 
2013-05-07 04:48:32 PM

LasersHurt: I can't imagine how. But if it makes you happy to just tell people you're right, and you could prove it, but you won't - you go right ahead, honey.


It does kill the time.
 
2013-05-07 05:02:20 PM

LasersHurt: What does anything you've said or has been posted in the thread have to do with Concealed Carry?


Trained police officers shoot innocent civilians/co-workers (Boston, LAPD, etc).   And yet sheeple panic about regular people doing it and cite that as a reason that the general public shouldn't be armed.  You should work on your reading comprehension.
 
2013-05-07 05:03:57 PM

ideamaster: LasersHurt: What does anything you've said or has been posted in the thread have to do with Concealed Carry?

Trained police officers shoot innocent civilians/co-workers (Boston, LAPD, etc).   And yet sheeple panic about regular people doing it and cite that as a reason that the general public shouldn't be armed.  You should work on your reading comprehension.


You just made up some shiat unrelated to the thread to feel threatened about, then defend? Good job. You can stop helping now.
 
2013-05-07 05:21:02 PM

The Muthaship: Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.

Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.

Felony murder.



So, if I get mugged and I happen to be armed, I can shoot whoever I want and the mugger takes the heat?  Sweet...
 
2013-05-07 05:24:29 PM

2 grams: Ditto on the beatles.


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#1 with a bullet/'appiness is a warm gun
 
2013-05-07 05:41:33 PM

The Muthaship: Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.

Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.

Felony murder.



Ummm, murder?  The cop survived.  If a plane crashes on the border between the U.S. and Canada, where do you bury the survivors?
 
2013-05-07 05:46:15 PM

ongbok: dericwater: There's a report out that in 2011, in all of Germany, police officers shot a total of 85 bullets. About half of them were just warning shots. Only 15 or so were at intended targets and they succeeded in putting them down (not necessarily killing them).

I would like to see this report because just from the bold portion it is bullshiat. You always shoot to hit your target in the body and never fire warning shots because a bullet has to stop somewhere, and if you are not firing at your target it can very well hit an innocent bystander.


Here you go: LINK.
 
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