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(The Atlantic Wire)   The MBTA Transit Police officer that was shot by the Boston terrorists was actually shot by other cops. Oops   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 229
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2013-05-07 11:57:35 AM  
Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.
 
2013-05-07 12:05:09 PM  
This got greenlit??
 
2013-05-07 12:10:55 PM  

Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.


Yep.  As he should be.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:49 PM  

The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.


Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.
 
2013-05-07 12:16:01 PM  

Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.

Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.


Felony murder.
 
2013-05-07 12:16:15 PM  

Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.

Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.


Wrong.  Felony Murder Rule
 
2013-05-07 12:18:04 PM  
Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.
 
2013-05-07 12:20:04 PM  

Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.


It's sort of a 'but for' reasoning, with some 'reasonably foreseeable consequences' thrown in.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:02 PM  

Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.

Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.


They'll be charged with the murder, which they deserve. There wouldn't be a killing if they weren't around.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:53 PM  

Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.


If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.
 
2013-05-07 12:30:36 PM  
Same situation if you rob a bank with a partner and the partner kills someone, you too can be charge with murder.  Even if you only robbed the bank.
 
2013-05-07 12:32:12 PM  
Man a dollar short and a day late both times.
 
2013-05-07 12:36:50 PM  
Thank you modmins :  )
 
2013-05-07 12:36:52 PM  
Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?
 
2013-05-07 12:38:55 PM  
This proves it was a false-flag, inside job by the US government, right?
 
2013-05-07 12:43:23 PM  

The Muthaship: Felony murder.


sentex: Wrong.  Felony Murder Rule



FTFA: "Donahue is doing fine."

I realize that I don't have a GED in Law, but I seem to remember that murder requires a death to occur.
 
2013-05-07 12:45:26 PM  

Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?


No, because once Obama takes them away, you'll be liable for felony possession of a scary black assault-style gun and if you wanted to play hero, maybe spend a few months at the Academy first.
 
2013-05-07 12:46:36 PM  

doyner: I realize that I don't have a GED in Law, but I seem to remember that murder requires a death to occur.


Correct.  I didn't read the article, but I thought they said in the initial reports that an MIT campus cop got killed.
 
2013-05-07 12:54:32 PM  

The Muthaship: doyner: I realize that I don't have a GED in Law, but I seem to remember that murder requires a death to occur.

Correct.  I didn't read the article, but I thought they said in the initial reports that an MIT campus cop got killed.


Even if you didn't rtfa, the headline here is "The MBTA Transit Police officer that was shot by the Boston terrorists was actually shot by other cops. Oops". Kinda a clue there.
 
2013-05-07 12:55:42 PM  
So much for "trained professionals."

So. Let's talk about arming teachers again.
 
2013-05-07 12:56:56 PM  

Snuffybud: Even if you didn't rtfa, the headline here is "The MBTA Transit Police officer that was shot by the Boston terrorists was actually shot by other cops. Oops". Kinda a clue there.


I just can't put into words how sorry I am about the screw up.  I swear it won't happen again.

Dude is still on the hook for the shooting (that thankfully did not kill the guy) under the same legal logic.
 
2013-05-07 12:59:35 PM  

The Muthaship: I just can't put into words how sorry I am about the screw up. I swear it won't happen again.


This just isn't good enough.  You must be punished.
 
2013-05-07 01:05:59 PM  
Trained professionals miss, so we should continue arming everyone so we rely on the trained professionals, right?
 
2013-05-07 01:14:35 PM  
"A black SUV appeared, and rapid gun fire was focused on the vehicle," Dyson wrote in a statement provided to the Globe, referring to the vehicle Tsarnaev allegedly drove in his escape. "It appeared to me that an individual at the corner [of the street] fell to the ground and had probably been hit in the gunfire."
Dyson's account of the guns-blazing getaway seems to indicate that Donohue was shot while Dzhokhar was fleeing (and running over his brother) and that the gunfire was one-way

So, that's kind of an inferential leap.  He didn't testify as to whether or not the Tsarnaevs were shooting.  TFA is just assuming that because he didn't specify, they must not have been.
 
2013-05-07 01:29:54 PM  
is thiscthe one that lost ALL his blood and then was magic'd back to life?
 
2013-05-07 01:30:45 PM  
TWO WEEK SUSPENSION!

WITH PAY!
 
2013-05-07 01:31:58 PM  
Damn. Boston cops be trigger happy.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:18 PM  
Sometimes you can predict which outfit the shooter belongs to.

When you have two LEOs, the outfit who doesn't have random drug tests does the shooting, the one who gets shot has the random drug tests.   Just a coincidence.
 
2013-05-07 01:33:00 PM  
I was wondering why a couple of guys said in news reports to be unarmed, which is to say  without guns, would shoot a random university campus cop for no apparent reason.

Now it makes some sense.

Oops! Our bad!

The only way to protect America from terrorists without guns is cops without guns. Arm the police with pressure cookers. They blow up spontaneous all the time, it is true, but apparently they must be added to the list of things that free people with massive arms and ammo stockpiles can not have for their own safety, like shampoo bottles that hold more than 3 oz., and shoes, and box cutters, and nail clippers., and those tiny little screwdrivers that you get in eyeglass repair kits and that look like accessories for Do It Yourself Barbie.
 
2013-05-07 01:34:50 PM  
jeez...if he's only been armed, then he wouldn't have gotten shot.
 
2013-05-07 01:35:55 PM  
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun shooting another good guy with a gun.
 
2013-05-07 01:36:36 PM  

Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?



In general your privilege to exercise deadly force in self defense is limited to situations in which you were the target of force threatening serious or deadly bodily harm.  You can, I believe, exercise this right if someone else would be so privileged (e.g. defending another who is being threatened).  However, given the fact that cops were already engaging the terrorists, gun wielding bystanders, no matter how well-intentioned, won't be helpful and could make a chaotic situation much more confusing than it already is.
 
2013-05-07 01:36:39 PM  

brantgoose: I was wondering why a couple of guys said in news reports to be unarmed, which is to say  without guns, would shoot a random university campus cop for no apparent reason.

Now it makes some sense.

Oops! Our bad!

The only way to protect America from terrorists without guns is cops without guns. Arm the police with pressure cookers. They blow up spontaneous all the time, it is true, but apparently they must be added to the list of things that free people with massive arms and ammo stockpiles can not have for their own safety, like shampoo bottles that hold more than 3 oz., and shoes, and box cutters, and nail clippers., and those tiny little screwdrivers that you get in eyeglass repair kits and that look like accessories for Do It Yourself Barbie.


They DID shoot a "random university campus cop for no apparent reason".  THIS is not THAT cop.
 
2013-05-07 01:36:51 PM  
Even when cops "do a great job," you can't count on them to act with integrity or to tell the truth.  Every time the police give a statement, I now automatically assume we'll find out something very different later.
 
2013-05-07 01:37:09 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Trained professionals miss, so we should continue arming everyone so we rely on the trained professionals, right?


A "trained" beat cop who draws his service weapon might as well be a hand grenade, considering their statistical accuracy.

Your average idiot on the street, without even that modicum of required training and range time, is about a hundred times worse.
 
2013-05-07 01:38:00 PM  
I thought this was obvious when it was revealed the brothers had one pistol, and all accounts describe hundreds of shots being fired in Watertown.
 
2013-05-07 01:38:15 PM  

brantgoose: a couple of guys said in news reports to be unarmed, which is to say without guns


You must be thinking of these guys:

i.huffpost.com
 
2013-05-07 01:38:24 PM  
Did the BPD give it the full Tillman treatment telling the family he died a hero instead of by incompetent fratricide, and then destroying all evidence, while also using it for recruiting purposes while blatently lying about it?
 
2013-05-07 01:38:29 PM  
the cops did NOT  do a good job!  9000 cops and locking down an entire city looking for a 19 year old kid.  illegal search and seizure
they could have got the dogs after him
 
2013-05-07 01:38:36 PM  

Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?


You, as a citizen, would be responsible for the final disposition of every shot you fire. I remember that very clearly from my CCW classes. If one of your rounds killed someone, yes you absolutely would be civilly and criminally liable. I would not think for murder one, but for criminally negligent homicide or something similar.
 
2013-05-07 01:39:36 PM  
I bet that kid that went missing shot him.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:02 PM  
Umm...he was shot in an exchange of gunfire with them...whether it was friendly fire or not, it was because of the gunfire exchange...

If he gets charged or not, they are still responsible.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:35 PM  
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2013-05-07 01:40:51 PM  
Did he ever return?No he never returnedAnd his fate is still unlearn'dHe may ride forever'neath the streets of BostonHe's the man who never returned
 
2013-05-07 01:43:30 PM  

doyner: The Muthaship: I just can't put into words how sorry I am about the screw up. I swear it won't happen again.

This just isn't good enough.  You must be punished.


And there is only one penalty for such a screw up.

We must tie Muthaship down to a bed and spank him!
 
2013-05-07 01:43:35 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Trained professionals miss, so we should continue arming everyone so we rely on the trained professionals, right?


Trained to do what? Panic, close your eyes, and pull the trigger until the "bang" noise stops happening?
 
2013-05-07 01:44:13 PM  

The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.

Yep.  As he should be.


Logic, How does it work?
 
2013-05-07 01:44:27 PM  

brewswane: the cops did NOT  do a good job!  9000 cops and locking down an entire city looking for a 19 year old kid.  illegal search and seizure
they could have got the dogs after him


WTF kind of lockdown lets citizens leave their homes as they please and requires cops to get consent to enter a house?

// oooooh, the city canceled classes and most businesses closed - voluntarily - for the day
// but that didn't stop people from driving into the office
// source
 
2013-05-07 01:44:54 PM  

JK47: Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?


In general your privilege to exercise deadly force in self defense is limited to situations in which you were the target of force threatening serious or deadly bodily harm.  You can, I believe, exercise this right if someone else would be so privileged (e.g. defending another who is being threatened).  However, given the fact that cops were already engaging the terrorists, gun wielding bystanders, no matter how well-intentioned, won't be helpful and could make a chaotic situation much more confusing than it already is.


Also, let's toss in that fact that the cops are now contending with another unknown person with a gun actively firing. Chances are good that you would end up becoming a target. You end up dividing the attention of the police, perhaps aiding the felons in escaping. At worst, you'll end up dead.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:34 PM  

insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.


This logic is absurd,  If said innocent civilian wasn't at that place at that time, he or she wouldn't have been shot, so therefore they should also be charged....  This is the logic that the felony murder rule uses.
 
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