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(Jerusalem Post) NewsFlash Three explosions heard in Tehran missile facility. Either something is awry or they've found a new way to make glassware   (jpost.com) divider line 282
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2013-05-07 11:53:35 AM
any verification of this from another source?
 
2013-05-07 11:55:46 AM
Don't worry.  This was just a pre-emptive strike by our super bestest allies.  Not aggression.
 
2013-05-07 11:56:07 AM
Oh no Nuke Everyone Quick No Checks Just Nuke the Muslims
 
2013-05-07 11:56:30 AM

somedude210: any verification of this from another source?


I bet someone dropped something. Time to reset the OSHA board.
 
2013-05-07 11:56:34 AM
Good
 
2013-05-07 11:56:38 AM
I love Israel more and more every day.
 
2013-05-07 11:56:58 AM
Ibetthejewsdidthis.jpeg
 
2013-05-07 11:57:06 AM

R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.


For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.
 
2013-05-07 11:57:13 AM
Explosions, my ass. It's probably Milhouse.
 
2013-05-07 11:57:45 AM
Apparently they were taken by surprise by Adobe's new subscription model
 
2013-05-07 11:58:03 AM
Boom there it

/got nuthin!
 
2013-05-07 11:58:23 AM

Somacandra: Explosions, my ass. It's probably Milhouse.


Burrito day in the commisary?
 
2013-05-07 11:58:39 AM
And nothing of value was lost...

github.com
 
2013-05-07 11:58:49 AM
I don't know why, but this one leaves me feeling a higher pucker factor than the other reports of this previous month.
 
2013-05-07 11:59:11 AM
I bet it was someone from the Tea Party.
 
2013-05-07 11:59:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently they were taken by surprise by Adobe's new subscription model


lulz
 
2013-05-07 11:59:24 AM
Aaaannnd... I think I'll just go buy gas now.

/Who am I kidding, I drive an RX-8, I have to buy gas every other day.
 
2013-05-07 11:59:29 AM
Must have been that bean I ate...
 
2013-05-07 11:59:34 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-07 11:59:35 AM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.


For killing scum.
 
2013-05-07 12:00:25 PM
It looks like we've got another Obama scandal on our hands
 
2013-05-07 12:00:42 PM
I am sure Obama do too much and not enough in response.
 
2013-05-07 12:00:47 PM

R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.


aka: Random Brown People
 
2013-05-07 12:00:53 PM
That website is a mess.
 
2013-05-07 12:01:09 PM

R.A.Danny: For killing scum.


Workers at a factory = scum? Interesting.
 
2013-05-07 12:01:24 PM

Muta: I am sure Obama do too much and not enough in response.

 
2013-05-07 12:01:27 PM

Lost Thought 00: R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.

aka: Random Brown People


Specific brown people.
 
2013-05-07 12:01:49 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.


Lost Thought 00: R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.

aka: Random Brown People


Iranians are Aryan...
 
2013-05-07 12:02:02 PM
What, did some high school dropout in Colorado flying a drone miss Syria and hit Iran because 'they all look the same, what's the difference?'
 
2013-05-07 12:02:27 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.


Aren't there Arab members of the Knesset?
 
2013-05-07 12:03:17 PM
This just in....trouble in the Middle East
/drop the gloves already
 
2013-05-07 12:03:21 PM

MichiganFTL: What, did some high school dropout in Colorado flying a drone miss Syria and hit Iran because 'they all look the same, what's the difference?'


3/10, not bad.
 
2013-05-07 12:03:35 PM
their entry for the audioedit competition
 
2013-05-07 12:03:52 PM
Looks like somebody taunted the Dynamite Jew.
 
2013-05-07 12:04:02 PM
Pressure cooker problems....
 
2013-05-07 12:04:57 PM

thecpt: Ibetthejewsdidthis.jpeg


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-07 12:05:11 PM

alizeran: That website is a mess.


Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that, it was almost seizure inducing.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 12:05:14 PM
BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...


Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.
 
2013-05-07 12:05:55 PM
Build a wall around it

Arm everyone

Call us when you have a winner
 
2013-05-07 12:06:45 PM
img1.fark.net Some Members of Fark approve of Genocide against the millions of people of Iran by Hitlers bastard son Israel.
 
2013-05-07 12:06:47 PM

Lost Thought 00: R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.

aka: Random Brown People


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-05-07 12:06:55 PM

vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.


As someone who shaved his head recently because of really thick hair, I'd believe it.

/not a skinhead racist
//Just a big swedish guy with a shaved head
///And possibly Thor's Hammer tattoos...
 
2013-05-07 12:07:15 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-07 12:07:19 PM
I bet the Sharif didn't like this
 
2013-05-07 12:07:51 PM

somedude210: any verification of this from another source?


Al-Jazeera doesn't have anything yet.
 
2013-05-07 12:07:52 PM

Lost Thought 00: R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.

aka: Random Brown People


No, silly, that's what our drone program is for.
 
2013-05-07 12:08:01 PM

Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this


Forget to lock the cash box again?
 
2013-05-07 12:08:37 PM

vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.


I don't know any...
 
2013-05-07 12:09:03 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

Aren't there Arab members of the Knesset?


Yes, but they've long complained of second-class citizenship and treatment, just like the Arab Israelis that comprise 20% of the population. And that hasn't stopped the Knesset from passing laws that basically justify their complaints.
 
2013-05-07 12:09:41 PM
Jerusalem Post isn't always accurate, and has reported some crazy stuff before. So, grain of salt.
 
2013-05-07 12:09:53 PM
Are we sure they're not expulsions? This is an important distinction
 
2013-05-07 12:10:36 PM

BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...


Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?
 
2013-05-07 12:10:39 PM

Somacandra: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

Aren't there Arab members of the Knesset?

Yes, but they've long complained of second-class citizenship and treatment, just like the Arab Israelis that comprise 20% of the population. And that hasn't stopped the Knesset from passing laws that basically justify their complaints.


Psst: I think you can be Arab and Jewish...
 
2013-05-07 12:11:10 PM

Bravo Two: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Forget to lock the cash box again?


He thinks it's not kosher!
 
2013-05-07 12:11:11 PM
 
2013-05-07 12:11:21 PM
Question,
Whats to stop someone from covertly nuking an Iranian nuke storage depot/uranium refinery and then just turning around and saying to the rest of the world "Well that's what you get for farking around with nukes"
Sure, the Iranians will claim that some outside force was responsible,(it was the evil Zionists etc), but no one takes anything they say seriously anyway.
If it was done in such a way to look like an accident then it might have the extra effect of deterring other non-nuclear countries from trying to achieve the bomb.
 
2013-05-07 12:11:57 PM

studs up: We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right


I can categorically guarantee you that most people don't think that.
 
2013-05-07 12:12:11 PM

studs up: BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...

Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?


I was going with the common definition.
 
2013-05-07 12:12:22 PM

somedude210: any verification of this from another source?


TFA claims that a BBC reporter heard the blasts, but the BBC site doesn't have anything either
 
2013-05-07 12:12:48 PM

somedude210: any verification of this from another source?


JP says its from a tweet from a BBC Persian reporter. But a Q&D translated look at the BBC Persian site has nothing that I can see. I don't read Farsi.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:26 PM
Are Iranian officials calling it an "act of terror," or are they calling it a "terrorist attack?"

This is Ahmadinejad's Benghazi.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:42 PM

BgJonson79: studs up: BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...

Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?

I was going with the common definition.


*sighs....
 
2013-05-07 12:13:58 PM

BgJonson79: Psst: I think you can be Arab and Jewish...


I agree with you, but tell that to the Knesset and Bibi's government and see how far you get.
 
2013-05-07 12:14:07 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.


www.sabinabecker.com
 
2013-05-07 12:14:36 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: studs up: We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right

I can categorically guarantee you that most people don't think that.


So can I. My boss freaked when I first shaved my head.
 
2013-05-07 12:15:39 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: For killing scum.

Workers at a factory = scum? Interesting.


static.ddmcdn.com

Bomb worthy?
 
2013-05-07 12:15:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-07 12:15:53 PM

catchow: Bravo Two: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Forget to lock the cash box again?

He thinks it's not kosher!


Fundamentalists can't take it.  Fundamentally.
 
2013-05-07 12:16:15 PM

Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]


Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

ph.cdn.photos.upi.com
 
2013-05-07 12:16:18 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: For killing scum.

Workers at a factory = scum? Interesting.


Unsurprising.
 
2013-05-07 12:16:23 PM

Bravo Two: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

As someone who shaved his head recently because of really thick hair, I'd believe it.

/not a skinhead racist
//Just a big swedish guy with a shaved head
///And possibly Thor's Hammer tattoos...


Going for that "just got out of prison" look?
 
2013-05-07 12:16:35 PM

sheep snorter: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Some Members of Fark approve of Genocide against the millions of people of Iran by Hitlers bastard son Israel.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-07 12:16:36 PM
Possibly dead Iranians?

Fine, I'll do it.

i575.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-07 12:17:08 PM

Muta: I am sure Obama do too much and not enough in response.


This is entirely possible, so long as he does too much in one sense and not enough in another. Say, too much posturing, strong and macho talk about red lines and stuff on one hand (that'd be the too much) and doesn't do anything on the other (that'd be the not enough).

It's not that hard to see how, even on the same topic, Obama can fail to be a good politician, both by excess (talking big without a clear intent or plan about how to follow it up) and deficiency (by backtracking from previously stated 'commitments) on the other.  Both are failures to properly govern emotion when making political decisions, both are a kind of failure of courage (at least).

Obama seems is capable of making clear, well-thought out, and means-ends rational decisions (i.e., reasoning clearly with respect to bringing about an end and figuring out to bring about that end) when it concerns things he really likes and cares about: health care reform, etc. But even then he gets in over his head sometimes, due to lack of political wisdom: the recent gun reform failures.

Anyway, I fully expect some passionate speeches (a kid of "too much") and little or no substantive response regarding this event (the "too little", or excuse me, the 'virtuous sort of leading from behind', which isn't really that, but rather going 'yay, good job!' or 'you didn't do that very well' pronoucements of armchair quarterbacks).
 
2013-05-07 12:17:48 PM

sheep snorter: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Some Members of Fark approve of Genocide against the millions of people of Iran by Hitlers bastard son Israel.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-07 12:18:18 PM

vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.


Don't pick a fight with a skin head.  Just take him bowling instead.
 
2013-05-07 12:19:35 PM

Vercengetorix: catchow: Bravo Two: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Forget to lock the cash box again?

He thinks it's not kosher!

Fundamentalists can't take it.  Fundamentally.


As long as the king hasn't called up his jet fighters and tells them better earn their pay, everything will turn out fine.
 
2013-05-07 12:20:03 PM

Somacandra: BgJonson79: Psst: I think you can be Arab and Jewish...

I agree with you, but tell that to the Knesset and Bibi's government and see how far you get.


Hmm, fair enough!
 
2013-05-07 12:20:09 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Possibly dead Iranians?

Fine, I'll do it.

[i575.photobucket.com image 625x415]


Why would anyone want a bunch of dead Iranians? Did we forget the students there? Iranians can be awesome. Their leadership however....not so much. But yeah, this happening in a bomb making plant would be awesomely targeted.
 
2013-05-07 12:20:19 PM
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that this didn't actually happen. No other news source has this story and JP isn't exactly reliable.
 
2013-05-07 12:20:50 PM

FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]


Doesn't our border with Mexico look like that?
 
2013-05-07 12:20:57 PM

Somacandra: Vercengetorix: catchow: Bravo Two: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Forget to lock the cash box again?

He thinks it's not kosher!

Fundamentalists can't take it.  Fundamentally.

As long as the king hasn't called up his jet fighters and tells them better earn their pay, everything will turn out fine.


I have my doubts about a happy Oil Sheik and a happy Israeli Businessman having a dance party when the dust settles.
 
2013-05-07 12:21:39 PM

FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]


Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:07 PM

mootmah: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that this didn't actually happen. No other news source has this story and JP isn't exactly reliable.


Well, that's a bummer.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:32 PM

FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]


Wonder why that is?
 
2013-05-07 12:23:00 PM

mootmah: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that this didn't actually happen. No other news source has this story and JP isn't exactly reliable.


It seems they basing this off of a single tweet by a BBC Persian reporter who is not identified or linked to. That last part could be for his/her protection though. I don't think a single tweet by a journalist is news. It might be Fark, though.
 
2013-05-07 12:23:04 PM

BgJonson79: Doesn't our border with Mexico look like that?


Good point.  At least the Israelis let migrant workers in.
 
2013-05-07 12:23:11 PM

Vercengetorix: catchow: Bravo Two: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Forget to lock the cash box again?

He thinks it's not kosher!

Fundamentalists can't take it.  Fundamentally.


I heard they dropped the bombs between the Minarets
 
2013-05-07 12:23:13 PM

TommyJReed: Question,
Whats to stop someone from covertly nuking an Iranian nuke storage depot/uranium refinery and then just turning around and saying to the rest of the world "Well that's what you get for farking around with nukes"
Sure, the Iranians will claim that some outside force was responsible,(it was the evil Zionists etc), but no one takes anything they say seriously anyway.
If it was done in such a way to look like an accident then it might have the extra effect of deterring other non-nuclear countries from trying to achieve the bomb.


nothing
nothing at all

plus, once the dust has settled, everyone will be secretly happy that "you" might have bombed them.

This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.
/fark em
 
2013-05-07 12:23:14 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]

Doesn't our border with Mexico look like that?


No, it looks like this:

reasonradionetwork.com
 
2013-05-07 12:23:42 PM

FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]


Oh cool...a random-photos-of-Arab-and-Jewish-Israelis posting thread...here's my entry.

jmsmith.org
 
2013-05-07 12:24:06 PM

R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.


After their land was taken and their homes bulldozed to make way for illegal settlements.  Yeah fark them.  They should just get on with their life.
 
2013-05-07 12:24:18 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Possibly dead Iranians?

Fine, I'll do it.

[i575.photobucket.com image 625x415]


I feel the same way when Christians are murdered.

Because, they're all exactly like the Phelps clan and everything, and they just really deserve to die.
 
2013-05-07 12:24:26 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Possibly dead Iranians?

Fine, I'll do it.

[i575.photobucket.com image 625x415]


Hey, remember when Fark really liked Iranians? It wore a tagband and everything.
 
2013-05-07 12:25:05 PM

studs up: Wonder why that is?


Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.
 
2013-05-07 12:25:40 PM

90supraT: Going for that "just got out of prison" look?


The tattoos are religious, and in places covered by clothing. The shaved head is because I have extremely thick hair, and in the warmth of summer it's like wearing a wool cap, so I either have to shave it, or buzz it regularly.
 
2013-05-07 12:25:40 PM

mootmah: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that this didn't actually happen. No other news source has this story and JP isn't exactly reliable.


Israel and the U.S. planted the story because they're planning on doing it, but just wanted to get Fark's opinion first.
 
2013-05-07 12:25:52 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.


Their government is, anyway.  By most countries' definitions.
 
2013-05-07 12:26:30 PM

namegoeshere: rufus-t-firefly: Possibly dead Iranians?

Fine, I'll do it.

[i575.photobucket.com image 625x415]

Hey, remember when Fark really liked Iranians? It wore a tagband and everything.


We like the Iranian people, especially when they're revolting against their farked up government.
 
2013-05-07 12:26:43 PM

sheep snorter: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Some Members of Fark approve of Genocide against the millions of people of Iran by Hitlers bastard son Israel.


hahhahahahahah ahah hahaa
hahah ahah ahaha ha haha hha hhaah ahha hahah

I have zero problem with attacking a country which is planning on attacking another country.
Are we required to WAIT until a nuke is dropped on chicago before stopping "them"?
Is it ok to preventively stop war mongerers?
/yes, I am aware that this skirts the whole "who watches the watchers" issue and "one man's terrorists is another man's found fathers/freedom fighters"
 
2013-05-07 12:27:13 PM

R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.

i.imgur.com


You do realize that could have come out of Milosevic's mouth about the Bosnian Muslims, right? That you're advocating ethnic cleansing. Is that really what you want to advocate?

 
2013-05-07 12:27:18 PM

Somacandra: mootmah: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that this didn't actually happen. No other news source has this story and JP isn't exactly reliable.

It seems they basing this off of a single tweet by a BBC Persian reporter who is not identified or linked to. That last part could be for his/her protection though. I don't think a single tweet by a journalist is news. It might be Fark, though.


Or CNN.
 
2013-05-07 12:27:22 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.

Their government is, anyway.  By most countries' definitions.


As is the American (and Israeli) government. By most countries' definitions.

www.humanrightsfirst.org
 
2013-05-07 12:28:02 PM
The IAF is good, but are they good enough to fly all the way to Tehran, hit the holy of holies of sites and egress without being detected, triggering an "infidel pig-dogs will pay" rant/plea to the international community from leadership ?
 
2013-05-07 12:28:03 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.

After their land was taken and their homes bulldozed to make way for illegal settlements.  Yeah fark them.  They should just get on with their life.


you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.
 
2013-05-07 12:28:38 PM

Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]


Yea, because supporting governments like this has never bit America in the ass.  The situations of the Palestinians definitely should be ignored, I mean, we've always knee-jerk supported Israel on everything else.  Including when they attacked a US Navy Vessel.  Why ever stop?
 
2013-05-07 12:28:41 PM

namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.


Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?
 
2013-05-07 12:28:51 PM

namatad: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.

After their land was taken and their homes bulldozed to make way for illegal settlements.  Yeah fark them.  They should just get on with their life.

you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.


Tsk, tsk, we won it fair and square.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:19 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all  enough Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.


ftfy

Maybe if they quit blowing shiat up, things will open up a bit. It's not like they couldn't use the money being poured into there to do something a little less murderous, like say, a falafel franchise or something.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:32 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.


They do have a reputation for being terrorists.  It goes with the territory that if you're going to blow up everybody around you that they're going to call you terrorists.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:35 PM

Somacandra: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.
[i.imgur.com image 468x647]
You do realize that could have come out of Milosevic's mouth about the Bosnian Muslims, right? That you're advocating ethnic cleansing. Is that really what you want to advocate?


You're comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians, which admittedly could be MUCH better, to ethnic cleansing?

Care to elaborate, please?
 
2013-05-07 12:29:39 PM

BgJonson79: Iranians are Aryan...


Wait.  Quiet.  Zarathrusta's about to speak.
 
2013-05-07 12:30:43 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.

Their government is, anyway.  By most countries' definitions.

As is the American (and Israeli) government. By most countries' definitions.

[www.humanrightsfirst.org image 250x150]


If you can show me the list where >= 100 countries have officially recognized the USA gov't as a terrorist organization, I'll cede the point.
 
2013-05-07 12:31:19 PM

namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.


I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.
 
2013-05-07 12:31:40 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: studs up: Wonder why that is?

Because all Palestinians are terrorists in the eyes of the Israeli government.

Their government is, anyway.  By most countries' definitions.

As is the American (and Israeli) government. By most countries' definitions.

[www.humanrightsfirst.org image 250x150]


See, most Americans are entirely incapable of seeing things from any perspective that might question the total moral superiority of their country and that it is always on the right side of history.  American's just dont understand the significance of something like that.
 
2013-05-07 12:31:51 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.

After their land was taken and their homes bulldozed to make way for illegal settlements.  Yeah fark them.  They should just get on with their life.


According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey.  The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST.  The other people have no standing.
 
2013-05-07 12:31:57 PM

BgJonson79: If you can show me the list where >= 100 countries have officially recognized the USA gov't as a terrorist organization, I'll cede the point.


Really? That's your argument?
 
2013-05-07 12:32:52 PM

Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?


Did they place it in a city or did the city grow up around it?
 
2013-05-07 12:33:27 PM

FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.

After their land was taken and their homes bulldozed to make way for illegal settlements.  Yeah fark them.  They should just get on with their life.


There was a war, they lost. There was another war, the Israelis won. That guy in the pic was most likely not even borne when that happened, but keep complaining. Maybe strap on a bomb and walk into the town square. That seems like the common answer. Praise your blown up heroes, praise your heroes of 911, praise Allah.
 
2013-05-07 12:33:51 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: If you can show me the list where >= 100 countries have officially recognized the USA gov't as a terrorist organization, I'll cede the point.

Really? That's your argument?


Yes.  I'm taking the statement I'm responding to literally.  Sophistry works for Sheldon Cooper; it should work for me!
 
2013-05-07 12:34:14 PM

FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.


Good Luck with that.
 
2013-05-07 12:34:27 PM

BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.


Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.
 
2013-05-07 12:34:49 PM

Smeggy Smurf: They do have a reputation for being terrorists. It goes with the territory that if you're going to blow up everybody around you that they're going to call you terrorists


Is this why we say White Males in the USA  have a reputation for being "serial killers",  or  is this that whole crypto-racist "collective punishment" of Brown People in refugee camps thing again?
 
2013-05-07 12:35:22 PM

Somacandra: R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.
[i.imgur.com image 468x647]
You do realize that could have come out of Milosevic's mouth about the Bosnian Muslims, right? That you're advocating ethnic cleansing. Is that really what you want to advocate?


They're killing more of themselves than anyone else is.
 
2013-05-07 12:35:36 PM

FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.


Things like that comment are what make people laugh at you.
 
2013-05-07 12:35:41 PM

studs up: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Good Luck with that.


Thanks.
 
2013-05-07 12:35:48 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.


So, stealing is ok?
 
2013-05-07 12:35:55 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.


Because Marxist revolutions always go so well and all.
 
2013-05-07 12:35:56 PM

Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?


nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.
 
2013-05-07 12:36:32 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.

So, stealing is ok?


If a bunch of Marxists do it, yes.
 
2013-05-07 12:37:09 PM

FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.


So how are we to separate the people who want to live under different laws from others?
 
2013-05-07 12:37:19 PM
Well, this mess of a thread escalated quickly and efficiently into another 'Israel sucks/rocks' thread.
 
2013-05-07 12:37:27 PM

BgJonson79: You're comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians, which admittedly could be MUCH better, to ethnic cleansing?


No, I'm comparing the quote I cited to Slobodan Milosevic's views. I'm asking how this Farker's view is somehow different than Milosevic's view. That was pretty clear.
 
2013-05-07 12:38:15 PM

BgJonson79: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

Did they place it in a city or did the city grow up around it?


It's Oklahoma City, for god's sake!  And, it's an air force base!

Which do you think came first?  The city or the base?

You have a brain, man.  Clearly.  I mean, you can type out words, so you MUST be able to think and make a deductive leap, right?
 
2013-05-07 12:38:35 PM

Somacandra: Smeggy Smurf: They do have a reputation for being terrorists. It goes with the territory that if you're going to blow up everybody around you that they're going to call you terrorists

Is this why we say White Males in the USA  have a reputation for being "serial killers",  or  is this that whole crypto-racist "collective punishment" of Brown People in refugee camps thing again?


Didn't one of the most celebrated presidents in the history of the USA do just that?  Why aren't you crapping on FDR?
 
2013-05-07 12:39:18 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

So how are we to separate the people who want to live under different laws from others?


Easy, people who like to live in countries are bad, and we wall them off and put them in ghettos, or just kill them.
 
2013-05-07 12:39:19 PM

Vodka Zombie: BgJonson79: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

Did they place it in a city or did the city grow up around it?

It's Oklahoma City, for god's sake!  And, it's an air force base!

Which do you think came first?  The city or the base?

You have a brain, man.  Clearly.  I mean, you can type out words, so you MUST be able to think and make a deductive leap, right?


I know nothing about OKC or its history, which is why I asked ;-)
 
2013-05-07 12:39:31 PM

namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.


That very statement means you agree with Islam's war on the US, yet you don't think we should be blaming Islam for killing Americans and shouldn't be retaliating.
 
2013-05-07 12:40:28 PM

Somacandra: BgJonson79: You're comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians, which admittedly could be MUCH better, to ethnic cleansing?

No, I'm comparing the quote I cited to Slobodan Milosevic's views. I'm asking how this Farker's view is somehow different than Milosevic's view. That was pretty clear.


Except... Bibi hasn't been invited to The Hague...
 
2013-05-07 12:40:36 PM

Vodka Zombie: It's Oklahoma City, for god's sake!  And, it's an air force base!

Which do you think came first?  The city or the base?


farking sim city
you KNOW that that air field was probably a mile out of town when it was first built back in the 1200s.
cities have always grown larger than any planning
 
2013-05-07 12:40:47 PM

namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.


We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."
 
2013-05-07 12:41:26 PM

R.A.Danny: namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

That very statement means you agree with Islam's war on the US, yet you don't think we should be blaming Islam for killing Americans and shouldn't be retaliating.


Depends on if the "Islamists" target legit military targets or explicitly target civilians.
 
2013-05-07 12:42:13 PM

BgJonson79: Depends on if the "Islamists" target legit military targets or explicitly target civilians.


Were the passengers on flight 93 legit military targets?
 
2013-05-07 12:42:27 PM
Iranians dying make Jew happy.

yesilcimen.com

www.mediaite.com

d1k4es7bw1lvxt.cloudfront.net
 
2013-05-07 12:42:38 PM
Wow, this thread is just....just...f*ck, I don't know.

Is this "Everyone go off your meds week" and I didn't get the memo or something?
 
2013-05-07 12:43:03 PM

Vodka Zombie: It's Oklahoma City, for god's sake! And, it's an air force base! Which do you think came first? The city or the base?


Urban planning and government policy is rarely that unidirectional, in the USA or elsewhere. Usually these things happen in a dialectical manner.
 
2013-05-07 12:43:23 PM

R.A.Danny: BgJonson79: Depends on if the "Islamists" target legit military targets or explicitly target civilians.

Were the passengers on flight 93 legit military targets?


I think it's safe to argue "nope" on that one.  But one is terrorism, and one is war.
 
2013-05-07 12:43:27 PM

Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."


As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
2013-05-07 12:43:31 PM

R.A.Danny: That very statement means you agree with Islam's war on the US, yet you don't think we should be blaming Islam for killing Americans and shouldn't be retaliating.


wait what?
war on the US? sure. Is every city a military target? no ...
can people at war do whatever they want? sure. geneva conventions were written to try to civilize war and have never worked. and to punish the losers after the fact.

on the other hand, 9/11 was a bunch of saudis, led by a saudi, ATTACK IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!!!

/asymmetric warfare is not pretty
 
2013-05-07 12:43:43 PM
It appears Operation Jewish Lightning was a success.


/ i keed, I keed
 
2013-05-07 12:44:42 PM

R.A.Danny: Yet they obviously think Palestine is too crappy for them. No one is keeping them locked up in Israel, they're not wanted, and yet they stay. I think the right to complain has been waived.


That's not true. Their neighbors are keeping them locked up in Israel. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan all actively keep Palestinians from emigrating.
 
2013-05-07 12:44:57 PM

Bhasayate: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...
 
2013-05-07 12:45:12 PM

A Shambling Mound: Wow, this thread is just....just...f*ck, I don't know.

Is this "Everyone go off your meds week" and I didn't get the memo or something?


Have a drink ... a pot of coffee ... cannot think
 
2013-05-07 12:46:44 PM

Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."


yes sort of
we used to have our bomb labs out in the middle of nowhere and people lived on base.
missile fields were out in the middle of nowhere. labor moved to the site.

intent of using them as shields doesnt really matter, they become de facto shields.
add in that little or nothing is done to discourage squatting/building outside the city walls ....

/yes, I LAUGH at the people who live next door to ohare and complain about the airport noise.
 
2013-05-07 12:47:29 PM

maxx2112: It appears Operation Jewish Lightning was a success.


/ i keed, I keed


If someone named Goldstein takes out an insurance policy on your secret missile factory, it's a pretty good indication you should not go in to work that week.
 
2013-05-07 12:47:29 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.

So, stealing is ok?


Well what have owners been doing to labor since the dawn of capitalism? Withholding wages for profit.
 
2013-05-07 12:47:44 PM

namatad: on the other hand, 9/11 was a bunch of saudis, led by a saudi, ATTACK IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!!!


I'll give you Iraq, but the war in Afghanistan eventually gave us the ringleader.
 
2013-05-07 12:47:53 PM

namatad: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

yes sort of
we used to have our bomb labs out in the middle of nowhere and people lived on base.
missile fields were out in the middle of nowhere. labor moved to the site.

intent of using them as shields doesnt really matter, they become de facto shields.
add in that little or nothing is done to discourage squatting/building outside the city walls ....

/yes, I LAUGH at the people who live next door to ohare and complain about the airport noise.


What about the people who's homes are seized through eminent domain to pave another runway?
 
2013-05-07 12:47:58 PM

BgJonson79: Bhasayate: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...


Yeah, and Truman didn't even know about the existence of The Manhattan Project until Roosevelt died. They couldn't trust him with that intel, I guess.
 
2013-05-07 12:48:08 PM
So, here's a question. In a lot of these threads, one of the legitimate comments people keep saying over and over is "how people view the US".

Is the opinion of others far more important than doing the right thing? If it made us look good to stay out of the fight entirely, should we do that? Why should we ignore the genocide of people in any nation and not help because of what people think?

It does seem a bit odd to me that the opinion of foreign powers means more than standing up for the lives of people who get steamrolled by anyone.  No matter WHAT the US does, we're going to get someone pissed off, and be hated. Invade on the side of the rebels in Syria? ZOMG WARMONGER US! DON'T invade or do anything to help the rebels? ZOMG THE US IS LETTING THE PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED!

Thank god we haven't gone anywhere near the African nations, so largely no one blames us for any of it, but I'm sure that somehow, some way we're responsible for the ethnic cleansing and civil wars there.
 
2013-05-07 12:49:57 PM

Vercengetorix: namatad: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

yes sort of
we used to have our bomb labs out in the middle of nowhere and people lived on base.
missile fields were out in the middle of nowhere. labor moved to the site.

intent of using them as shields doesnt really matter, they become de facto shields.
add in that little or nothing is done to discourage squatting/building outside the city walls ....

/yes, I LAUGH at the people who live next door to ohare and complain about the airport noise.

What about the people who's homes are seized through eminent domain to pave another runway?


Easy, 'the greater public good' justifies the action. Kind of like how 'the greater public good' justifies The Affordable Health Care Act and The Holocaust.

Actually, 'greater public good' arguments are just excuses to trample on individual (negative) rights.
 
2013-05-07 12:50:30 PM
Tinker AFB is actually in Midwest City which grew up around the base.  The base was fairly far out from okc at the time.  The cities have merged in the meantime, but tinker is still kinda on the edge of the metro.  Just FYI.
 
2013-05-07 12:50:48 PM
Meh. Seems like a BS link.
Fark doesn't really get to stand on a pedestal and decry baseless sensationalism when shiat like this goes through.
 
2013-05-07 12:51:08 PM

namatad: R.A.Danny: That very statement means you agree with Islam's war on the US, yet you don't think we should be blaming Islam for killing Americans and shouldn't be retaliating.

wait what?
war on the US? sure. Is every city a military target? no ...
can people at war do whatever they want? sure. geneva conventions were written to try to civilize war and have never worked. and to punish the losers after the fact.

on the other hand, 9/11 was a bunch of saudis, led by a saudi, ATTACK IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!!!

/asymmetric warfare is not pretty


Yes, because the nationality of the enemy always equates to their allegiance/governing authority?

Al Qaeda was a force being funded by the Taliban, in Afghanistan.

However, to be frank, the ideals of militant Islam is a multinational thing, and it would be goddamn impossible to separate the good guys from the bad over there on a national level.
 
2013-05-07 12:52:18 PM

Bravo Two: However, to be frank, the ideals of militant Islam is a multinational thing, and it would be goddamn impossible to separate the good guys from the bad over there on a national level.


It would be totally wrong to let Allah do it.
 
2013-05-07 12:52:33 PM

namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.


They still do.  Those Russian missiles didn't just simply disappear in 1991.  Nor did our nuclear arsenal that is still most likely targeting Russia.  Sure, we were told the missiles are no longer targeted at blah blah blah, and we did the same in good faith, but does anyone actually believe that?
 
2013-05-07 12:52:55 PM

Bravo Two: So, here's a question. In a lot of these threads, one of the legitimate comments people keep saying over and over is "how people view the US".

Is the opinion of others far more important than doing the right thing? If it made us look good to stay out of the fight entirely, should we do that? Why should we ignore the genocide of people in any nation and not help because of what people think?

It does seem a bit odd to me that the opinion of foreign powers means more than standing up for the lives of people who get steamrolled by anyone.  No matter WHAT the US does, we're going to get someone pissed off, and be hated. Invade on the side of the rebels in Syria? ZOMG WARMONGER US! DON'T invade or do anything to help the rebels? ZOMG THE US IS LETTING THE PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED!

Thank god we haven't gone anywhere near the African nations, so largely no one blames us for any of it, but I'm sure that somehow, some way we're responsible for the ethnic cleansing and civil wars there.


Sure, here's how to argue that point: The US, in virtue of its power and riches, has to respect the positive rights of people everywhere all over the world, regardless of silly things like borders and citizenship, or being many miles away. Failing to respect the positive rights of others means a failure to give others what is owed to them, and a failure to give what is owed to others is a failure of justice. So, the US is unjust for not helping African nations.
 
2013-05-07 12:53:06 PM

BgJonson79: Bhasayate: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...


and we fire bombed tokyo and dresden.

dresden - 25k killed, 100-200k refugees
tokyo - ~100k killed
Hiroshima  - 90,000-166,000 killed
Nagasaki   - 60,000-80,000 killed

so nukes did about the same damage as conventional bombing. just quicker and with one drop.
not sure that the dead care.
 
2013-05-07 12:53:41 PM

hardinparamedic: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Things like that comment are what make people laugh at you.


I'm perfectly fine with that.  I'm sure people have laughed at many progressive ideas throughout the course of human history.
 
2013-05-07 12:53:51 PM

sheep snorter: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Some Members of Fark approve of Genocide against the millions of people of Iran by Hitlers bastard son Israel.


You forgot the "CNN Reports:".
 
2013-05-07 12:54:51 PM

FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.


Then GTFO.
 
2013-05-07 12:54:53 PM

namatad: BgJonson79: Bhasayate: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...

and we fire bombed tokyo and dresden.

dresden - 25k killed, 100-200k refugees
tokyo - ~100k killed
Hiroshima  - 90,000-166,000 killed
Nagasaki   - 60,000-80,000 killed

so nukes did about the same damage as conventional bombing. just quicker and with one drop.
not sure that the dead care.


That's the rub: if you're going to call the Nukes unjust, on account of the massive number of civilian/noncombatant causalities, then you've got to call the fire bombings unjust on those grounds, too -- if you care about things like rational consistency anyway.
 
2013-05-07 12:55:29 PM

FarkedOver: hardinparamedic: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Things like that comment are what make people laugh at you.

I'm perfectly fine with that.  I'm sure people have laughed at many progressive ideas throughout the course of human history.


And, in many cases, rightly so.
 
2013-05-07 12:55:29 PM

R.A.Danny: They're killing more of themselves than anyone else is.


That's true of any grossly marginalized population attempting to resist under some form of colonialism. Slave insurrections in the USA killed far more slaves than slaveholders, precisely because slaveholders had legal, physical, socially structured and firepower superiority. This means that there are gross forms of systematic injustice that need to be addressed--its not something to celebrate.
 
2013-05-07 12:56:25 PM

Bhasayate: And, in many cases, rightly so.


*shrugs*
 
2013-05-07 12:57:09 PM

4NTLRZ: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Then GTFO.


He/she won't. I mean, really, why not benefit from being a citizen while working to subvert it from the inside? That's Marxism 101. It's like collecting welfare and using it to make bombs and stuff.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:29 PM

FarkedOver: Workers at a factory = scum? Interesting.


His disdain for the proletariat is shamelessly evident.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:54 PM
But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
2013-05-07 12:59:23 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: And, in many cases, rightly so.

*shrugs*


Political Idealism is idealistic. But we live in a real world and all. Any politic with a hope of having an effect on the world as it is needs to take reality into consideration. You'd think this would be an obvious truth. But don't let facts get in the way of ideology, my friend. Stay the course. A thousand points of light. Hope. Change. Whatever.
 
2013-05-07 12:59:48 PM

TommyJReed: If it was done in such a way to look like an accident then it might have the extra effect of deterring other non-nuclear countries from trying to achieve the bomb.


You'd have to make a bomb that was a deliberate fizzle, as any legitimate accident is not going to be a full blown detonation. Any seismic signature that showed a real bomb going off isn't going to fool anyone who knows anything will know it was a setup.
 
2013-05-07 12:59:50 PM

BgJonson79: Bhasayate: As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...



i.imgur.com

Factually incorrect. Most who were approached about it did not want to do it. Its was Secretary of State Byrnes's idea and it was aimed at the Soviets who were almost finished bringing their armies from the Western Front for a land invasion of Japan.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:17 PM

R.A.Danny: namatad: on the other hand, 9/11 was a bunch of saudis, led by a saudi, ATTACK IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!!!

I'll give you Iraq, but the war in Afghanistan eventually gave us the ringleader.


no question that the taliban are pretty farking ugly. and were allowing training camps, still are allowing training camps ...

Vercengetorix: What about the people who's homes are seized through eminent domain to pave another runway?

shudder
where do you draw the line? that one house in china, in the middle of the road?? LOL

governments have always had eminent domain, we have at times tried to do a better job of it.
pretty sure that most of the houses/people were offered reasonable buyouts. holdouts got less or nothing.
progress SUCKS
everytime I bulldoze to make new and better roads, the ants get so upset, until later, when everything settles down and everyone is HAPPY with the new roads/rails/airports

in some ways, eminent domain goes part and parcel with civilization. we have gotten better at over the last couple of centuries.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:25 PM

Somacandra: R.A.Danny: They're killing more of themselves than anyone else is.

That's true of any grossly marginalized population attempting to resist under some form of colonialism. Slave insurrections in the USA killed far more slaves than slaveholders, precisely because slaveholders had legal, physical, socially structured and firepower superiority. This means that there are gross forms of systematic injustice that need to be addressed--its not something to celebrate.


Somebody owns them? Where's the paperwork?
 
2013-05-07 01:00:44 PM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.

So, stealing is ok?

Well what have owners been doing to labor since the dawn of capitalism? Withholding wages for profit.


How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?
 
2013-05-07 01:01:40 PM

Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: And, in many cases, rightly so.

*shrugs*

Political Idealism is idealistic. But we live in a real world and all. Any politic with a hope of having an effect on the world as it is needs to take reality into consideration. You'd think this would be an obvious truth. But don't let facts get in the way of ideology, my friend. Stay the course. A thousand points of light. Hope. Change. Whatever.


Sure, I don't deny reality.  But I also don't deny the possibility of working class revolutions.
 
2013-05-07 01:02:34 PM

Somacandra: BgJonson79: Bhasayate: As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...


[i.imgur.com image 200x309]

Factually incorrect. Most who were approached about it did not want to do it. Its was Secretary of State Byrnes's idea and it was aimed at the Soviets who were almost finished bringing their armies from the Western Front for a land invasion of Japan.


Secretary of State is in the Executive Branch, overseen by the President.
 
2013-05-07 01:03:12 PM

BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?


Working for a wage is slavery.

(am I doing this right?)
 
2013-05-07 01:03:39 PM

FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.


Not sure if trolling.
 
2013-05-07 01:03:42 PM

BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?


Because they are inherently EXPLOITING LABOR FOR THE SAKE OF ACCUMULATION.
 
2013-05-07 01:04:19 PM

GoldSpider: BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?

Working for a wage is slavery.

(am I doing this right?)


Working to live is indentured servitude.  Not an upgrade.

(Did I troll back well enough? :-D )
 
2013-05-07 01:05:12 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: And, in many cases, rightly so.

*shrugs*

Political Idealism is idealistic. But we live in a real world and all. Any politic with a hope of having an effect on the world as it is needs to take reality into consideration. You'd think this would be an obvious truth. But don't let facts get in the way of ideology, my friend. Stay the course. A thousand points of light. Hope. Change. Whatever.

Sure, I don't deny reality.  But I also don't deny the possibility of working class revolutions.


Not denying things that are logically possible is a great thing. But thinking that just because it's logically possible doesn't mean it's a real (i.e., metaphysical) possibility. Or that working class revolutions are or will lead to good or even better things.

I mean, I can't deny the possibility that I'll find a bag of diamonds in my driveway later today, or that aliens will land in my back yard and hang out and have a fun bbq with me, perhaps even give me a replicator so I can turn my shiat into diamonds and have lots of $$. But that's just silly talk.
 
2013-05-07 01:06:11 PM

GoldSpider: BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?

Working for a wage is slavery.

(am I doing this right?)


I'll make you a Marxist yet.
 
2013-05-07 01:06:34 PM

BgJonson79: Somacandra: BgJonson79: Bhasayate: As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...


[i.imgur.com image 200x309]

Factually incorrect. Most who were approached about it did not want to do it. Its was Secretary of State Byrnes's idea and it was aimed at the Soviets who were almost finished bringing their armies from the Western Front for a land invasion of Japan.

Secretary of State is in the Executive Branch, overseen by the President.


It didn't matter as it turns out as the Rosenberg's gave the bomb to the Soviets anyway.

cliffcosmos.blogsport.de
 
2013-05-07 01:06:34 PM

Bhasayate: Kind of like how 'the greater public good' justifies The Affordable Health Care Act and The Holocaust.


Adjust the dosage - it's destroying your ability to think.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:21 PM

GoldSpider: BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?

Working for a wage is slavery.

(am I doing this right?)


Good start. Better to work up to that, though. Give it some sort of grounding that sounds convincing. This might sound good.

For corporations to employ workers inevitably fails to respect the autonomy of the workers, which is to infringe on their rights. Any such failure and infringement is morally wrong, and akin to slavery. Thus, the social institution of 'wage earning' endemic to corporations is akin to slavery, and hence morally wrong.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:24 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: According to a class I took in college, about 85% of the land wasn't owned by Palestinians but absentee landlords in Turkey. The 15% that own land should have it returned, WITH INTEREST. The other people have no standing.

Too bad the land was given away before the Palestinian people had a chance to mount a Marxist revolution against the capitalist land owners.

So, stealing is ok?

Well what have owners been doing to labor since the dawn of capitalism? Withholding wages for profit.

How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?


First you have to deny the validity of contracts (rate of pay accepted by the worker) and then deny that investment capital is risk ( do workers give up their cash back when a business fails) and then claim all profit's go to the owners and not back into the company to grow it so more workers can have jobs. Then tax the shiat out of it for "equality".
 
2013-05-07 01:08:36 PM

Bhasayate: That's the rub: if you're going to call the Nukes unjust, on account of the massive number of civilian/noncombatant causalities, then you've got to call the fire bombings unjust on those grounds, too -- if you care about things like rational consistency anyway.


at LEAST tokyo, nagasaki and hiroshima had a certain amount of war manufacturer. dresden was just plain payback.
it is funny when we try to talk about "justice" when discussing war and mass killings.

Syria is a great example. 120,000 killed overall (April 2013 SOHR estimate).
But the world has done nothing to stop this.
1) civil war - we have to respect their sovereignty. ROFL
2) two years and counting - so if the deaths happen slowly over a long enough period of time, THAT is ok?
3) EVIL REBELS vs Freedom Fighters - how do you actually tell the difference?
4) when should we do something? Rwanda? Somalia? the list goes on and on and on.

"The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan"
One day they were a bunch of freedom fighters, the next day, evil motherfarkers.

We like to think that we are past the days of playing the game of thrones. LOL. not even close.
 
2013-05-07 01:09:02 PM

GoldSpider: BgJonson79: How is that stealing when THEY'RE THE OWNERS?

Working for a wage is slavery.

(am I doing this right?)


Power to the people!


chineseposters.net
 
2013-05-07 01:09:15 PM

CheatCommando: Bhasayate: Kind of like how 'the greater public good' justifies The Affordable Health Care Act and The Holocaust.

Adjust the dosage - it's destroying your ability to think.


Hey, I'm just making arguments, trying to focus the conversation a bit, rather than just emoting and stuff.
 
2013-05-07 01:09:18 PM

Bhasayate: perhaps even give me a replicator


That would be the immediate downfall of capitalism.  Hopefully we stumble upon that invention sooner rather than later.
 
2013-05-07 01:10:51 PM
In addition, Saudi Arabia and Iran - as competitors for regional hegemony - supported Afghan militias hostile towards each other.[44] According to Human Rights Watch, Iran assisted the Shia Hazara Hezb-i Wahdat forces of Abdul Ali Mazari, as Iran attempted to maximize Wahdat's military power and influence.[42][44][45] Saudi Arabia supported the Wahhabite Abdul Rasul Sayyaf and his Ittihad-i Islami faction.[42][44] Conflict between the two militias soon escalated. A publication by the George Washington University describes: [O]utside forces saw instability in Afghanistan as an opportunity to press their own security and political agendas.[46]

ah
the proxy wars will NEVER END
bwhahahahah haah hahahahahah
/sigh
 
2013-05-07 01:12:33 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: perhaps even give me a replicator

That would be the immediate downfall of capitalism.  Hopefully we stumble upon that invention sooner rather than later.


How a Marxist thinks things get invented.
 
2013-05-07 01:13:14 PM

FarkedOver

This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

Wow...

I wonder why...

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9/11
i95.photobucket.comi95.photobucket.com
... Ohhh that's right self preservation is wise.


// I've seen worse than what your pathetic photo shows at TSA airline lines here in the "land of the free"tm
 
2013-05-07 01:13:40 PM

studs up: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: perhaps even give me a replicator

That would be the immediate downfall of capitalism.  Hopefully we stumble upon that invention sooner rather than later.

How a Marxist thinks things get invented.


Completely rewrite the laws of physics and VIOLA!
 
2013-05-07 01:14:42 PM

Bravo Two: So, here's a question. In a lot of these threads, one of the legitimate comments people keep saying over and over is "how people view the US".

Is the opinion of others far more important than doing the right thing? If it made us look good to stay out of the fight entirely, should we do that? Why should we ignore the genocide of people in any nation and not help because of what people think?

It does seem a bit odd to me that the opinion of foreign powers means more than standing up for the lives of people who get steamrolled by anyone.  No matter WHAT the US does, we're going to get someone pissed off, and be hated. Invade on the side of the rebels in Syria? ZOMG WARMONGER US! DON'T invade or do anything to help the rebels? ZOMG THE US IS LETTING THE PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED!

Thank god we haven't gone anywhere near the African nations, so largely no one blames us for any of it, but I'm sure that somehow, some way we're responsible for the ethnic cleansing and civil wars there.


I thought it was pretty simple actually.  We (the US) view ourselves as liberators, whereas the citizens of the countries we are "liberating" , who have a different historical and cultural context of the world, don't necessarily see us in the same light, and might even go so far as to consider us invaders, not liberators.  This fosters a level of distrust, especially with common, uneducated masses in these other countries.  Its just a psychological bias we apply where we think that this random Afghani kid, whose family makes the equivalent of 50 USD a year, is supposed to see things in the same way as his/her American counterparts.  We could have the greatest of intentions, but these cultural disconnects can bog things down entirely or even do more harm than good.  It's not so much that we should just ignore the terrible things that some dictators have been known to do, its that we need to think things through much more thorougly and avoid knee-jerk reactions.  Look over the couse of history, typically when a foreign army sets down on your homeland, should you embrace them or approach them with fear?
 
2013-05-07 01:14:43 PM

studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.


No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".
 
2013-05-07 01:15:12 PM

namatad: Bhasayate: That's the rub: if you're going to call the Nukes unjust, on account of the massive number of civilian/noncombatant causalities, then you've got to call the fire bombings unjust on those grounds, too -- if you care about things like rational consistency anyway.

at LEAST tokyo, nagasaki and hiroshima had a certain amount of war manufacturer. dresden was just plain payback.
it is funny when we try to talk about "justice" when discussing war and mass killings.

Syria is a great example. 120,000 killed overall (April 2013 SOHR estimate).
But the world has done nothing to stop this.
1) civil war - we have to respect their sovereignty. ROFL
2) two years and counting - so if the deaths happen slowly over a long enough period of time, THAT is ok?
3) EVIL REBELS vs Freedom Fighters - how do you actually tell the difference?
4) when should we do something? Rwanda? Somalia? the list goes on and on and on.

"The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan"
One day they were a bunch of freedom fighters, the next day, evil motherfarkers.

We like to think that we are past the days of playing the game of thrones. LOL. not even close.


Arguably, and very plausibly, there are just and unjust wars, jus in bello (just conduct in war) and jus ad bellum (just reasons for going to war).

Glad you brought up Syria. This is completely absurd, and all on Obama (can't blame Bush for this): the so-called "red line" was the use of Chemical Weapons, that that'd be a gamechanger, enough to provoke some sort of actual response (beyond making a speech or sternly worded letters), as if all that other killing by conventional means hadn't already passed some sort of line somewhere that justified intervention.

Of course, if the intervention isn't politically expedient, then don't hold your breath.
 
2013-05-07 01:16:15 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".


Then why the cognitive dissonance?
 
2013-05-07 01:17:01 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: perhaps even give me a replicator

That would be the immediate downfall of capitalism.  Hopefully we stumble upon that invention sooner rather than later.


Actually, that wouldn't be bad. I mean, capitalism deals with the world the way that it is. But, sure, IF we had replicator tech, then we'd no longer need capitalism. And there would be much rejoicing; no starvation, all sorts of goodness.

Again, I'm not expecting replicator tech anytime soon, and I'm not basing my political viewpoints on its mere logical possibility.
 
2013-05-07 01:17:41 PM
Oops.
 
2013-05-07 01:17:41 PM

studs up: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

Then why the cognitive dissonance?


Really? I have no realistic notion that a "replicator" is possible.  Read that whole exchange it was about BBQing with aliens for christ sake.
 
2013-05-07 01:18:24 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".


How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?
 
2013-05-07 01:19:22 PM

Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?


I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha
 
2013-05-07 01:21:35 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

Then why the cognitive dissonance?

Really? I have no realistic notion that a "replicator" is possible.  Read that whole exchange it was about BBQing with aliens for christ sake.


All that stuff about aliens is logically possible. So is any series of Marxist Revolutions leading to Happy Utopia for the world. It's equally silly to think that either sort of even 'really could happen.' To hope for Marxist Revolution and Happy Utopia is just about as silly and foolish as to hope for having a bbq with aliens in my backyard. What we have here is an RAA of Marxism, FYI.
 
2013-05-07 01:21:50 PM

FarkedOver: hardinparamedic: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Things like that comment are what make people laugh at you.

I'm perfectly fine with that.  I'm sure people have laughed at many progressive ideas throughout the course of human history.


Yeah, dude-totally!  Now pass it.

media.thedenverchannel.com
 
2013-05-07 01:22:28 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?

I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha


But you still work for an evil corporation and all that? Isn't that bad faith? Or something like that?
 
2013-05-07 01:24:50 PM

Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?

I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha

But you still work for an evil corporation and all that? Isn't that bad faith? Or something like that?


No, you cannot blame the worker for trying to make a living.  I wouldn't begrudge someone working in a weapons factory either.
 
2013-05-07 01:27:14 PM

Bhasayate: Glad you brought up Syria. This is completely absurd, and all on Obama (can't blame Bush for this): the so-called "red line" was the use of Chemical Weapons, that that'd be a gamechanger, enough to provoke some sort of actual response (beyond making a speech or sternly worded letters), as if all that other killing by conventional means hadn't already passed some sort of line somewhere that justified intervention.

Of course, if the intervention isn't politically expedient, then don't hold your breath.


there were a couple lines/stories from west wing. about when you go in. what is the RIGHT thing to do.
C.J, joins Toby and Josh at the bar. Will has them all talking about foreign policy. C.J. asks Toby,"The guy across the street is beating up a pregnant woman. You don't go over there and try and stop it?" 
"The guy across the street is beating up anybody, I like to think I go over and try and stop it. But we aren't talking about the President going to Asia or the President going to Rwanda or the President going to Qumar. We're talking about the President sending other people's kids to do that." 
"That's always what we're talking about and in addition to being somebody's kids they're soldier's and sailors, and if we're about freedom from tyranny then we're about freedom from tyranny and if we're not we should shut up." 
"Yes,"  Josh says joining in. 
"...On Sunday he's taking an oath to ensure domestic tranquility,"  Toby reminds his co-workers. 
"And to establish justice and promote the general welfare,"  C.J. shoots back. "Stand by while atrocities are taking place and you're an accomplice." 
But Toby wants a real answer to the question, "...Why are you sending your kids across the street?" 
After a moment, C.J. has an answer, "'Cause those are somebody's kids, too."

Later the conversation is still going on. Josh tells Toby, "I'm not talking about fighting two wars at once. I'm not talking about fighting wars. Intervening when there's violence against people who are defenseless---" 
"Fine, but if we go here, that means they can go there. And look, there's more injustice over there." 
"We elect these people. And not for nothing, but if we'd been the world's policeman in the '30s, you and I----" 
"We'd have had a lot more relatives."
 
2013-05-07 01:28:25 PM
FEDRIGOTTI

And there's a little girl who is really misbehaving. She runs around, she's

throwing food.

The father decides to punish her right there by cracking the wine bottle

over her head,

throwing her to the ground, and kicking her repeatedly. You sit at the next

table. What do you do?


JOSH

The kid wasn't throwing food.


FEDRIGOTTI

Is there a crime that girl could commit, that would have justified what the

father did?


JOSH

[laughs] See, it's... it's problematic when other people make my argument

for me.


FEDRIGOTTI

Yeah. And if the father said, 'This is my child, and I will punish her any

way I choose,'

would you come to the conclusion that this father has lost all perspective,

and all judgement, and should be removed from equation?


At what point do start treating the government of Syria correctly and remove them from the equation?
 
2013-05-07 01:28:26 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?

I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha

But you still work for an evil corporation and all that? Isn't that bad faith? Or something like that?

No, you cannot blame the worker for trying to make a living.  I wouldn't begrudge someone working in a weapons factory either.


But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D
 
2013-05-07 01:28:58 PM

Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?

I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha

But you still work for an evil corporation and all that? Isn't that bad faith? Or something like that?


To further expand, look at Engels.  He was a partner at an importing/exporting firm in London (I believe).  He used all his money to write and bank roll the marxist cause.  It's not what the worker does for an occupation it's what he does for the cause.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:03 PM

namatad: Bhasayate: Glad you brought up Syria. This is completely absurd, and all on Obama (can't blame Bush for this): the so-called "red line" was the use of Chemical Weapons, that that'd be a gamechanger, enough to provoke some sort of actual response (beyond making a speech or sternly worded letters), as if all that other killing by conventional means hadn't already passed some sort of line somewhere that justified intervention.

Of course, if the intervention isn't politically expedient, then don't hold your breath.

there were a couple lines/stories from west wing. about when you go in. what is the RIGHT thing to do.
C.J, joins Toby and Josh at the bar. Will has them all talking about foreign policy. C.J. asks Toby,"The guy across the street is beating up a pregnant woman. You don't go over there and try and stop it?" 
"The guy across the street is beating up anybody, I like to think I go over and try and stop it. But we aren't talking about the President going to Asia or the President going to Rwanda or the President going to Qumar. We're talking about the President sending other people's kids to do that." 
"That's always what we're talking about and in addition to being somebody's kids they're soldier's and sailors, and if we're about freedom from tyranny then we're about freedom from tyranny and if we're not we should shut up." 
"Yes,"  Josh says joining in. 
"...On Sunday he's taking an oath to ensure domestic tranquility,"  Toby reminds his co-workers. 
"And to establish justice and promote the general welfare,"  C.J. shoots back. "Stand by while atrocities are taking place and you're an accomplice." 
But Toby wants a real answer to the question, "...Why are you sending your kids across the street?" 
After a moment, C.J. has an answer, "'Cause those are somebody's kids, too."
Later the conversation is still going on. Josh tells Toby, "I'm not talking about fighting two wars at once. I'm not talking about fighting wars. Intervening when there's violence against peo ...


Interesting, I wish real politicians thought like this!

/as aside, we don't need to worry about what the right thing to do really is. All we need to do is listen for when Obama tells us it's the right thing to do. Then's it's all good.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:31 PM

Bhasayate: But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D


There are ways to go about societal change and going balls to the wall for a full scale revolution is not in the cards at the moment haha.  There are other things, there are elections, running your own candidates, union organizing, community outreach and the like that I think are what is best for the cause at the moment.
 
2013-05-07 01:34:42 PM

vpb: Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.


I have to plenty of racists and a couple former skins, it blows their mind. Iran literally means Aryan.
 
2013-05-07 01:35:02 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: FarkedOver: studs up: How a Marxist thinks things get invented.

No, I work in the intellectual property field.  I'm well aware of how things are "invented".

How can a Marxist believe in anything remotely like intellectual property?

I don't, I actually attribute most of my radicalization to my job haha

But you still work for an evil corporation and all that? Isn't that bad faith? Or something like that?

To further expand, look at Engels.  He was a partner at an importing/exporting firm in London (I believe).  He used all his money to write and bank roll the marxist cause.  It's not what the worker does for an occupation it's what he does for the cause.


OK, I'll give you those points. But, still, that's my point: there is a cause and you probably have more you need to do in favor of it, given your political views, you have a duty to do much more than you're probably doing.

And, on that note, probably, the same applies to most people in this thread, whatever there politic.

But there are higher moral demands on Marxists (given the truth of the theory). In other words, if you really believe what you do, perhaps you should be doing more to start a revolution or something. Just saying...
 
2013-05-07 01:35:46 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D

There are ways to go about societal change and going balls to the wall for a full scale revolution is not in the cards at the moment haha.  There are other things, there are elections, running your own candidates, union organizing, community outreach and the like that I think are what is best for the cause at the moment.


This stuff is so passe, it's not progressive enough. PROGRESS! EVOLVE!! GET MORE POWERS!!
 
2013-05-07 01:36:29 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D

There are ways to go about societal change and going balls to the wall for a full scale revolution is not in the cards at the moment haha.  There are other things, there are elections, running your own candidates, union organizing, community outreach and the like that I think are what is best for the cause at the moment.


Serious question: How do you reconcile the fact that everywhere Marxism is embraced suffers crippling poverty, starvation, government corruption and the quality of the national products takes a complete nose dive?
 
2013-05-07 01:36:52 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D

There are ways to go about societal change and going balls to the wall for a full scale revolution is not in the cards at the moment haha.  There are other things, there are elections, running your own candidates, union organizing, community outreach and the like that I think are what is best for the cause at the moment.


That moment has been stretching on awhile, hasn't it?
Oh well, enjoy your capitalist gains as you lament the plight of the worker. We'll just toil here in our wages waiting for you to help.
 
2013-05-07 01:39:42 PM

Magnanimous_J: FarkedOver: Bhasayate: But workers are complicit; they help to sustain the unjust system. If they would all just rise up already, things would be different. I mean, someone's got to start it. Might as well be you! Rally the troops! GO GO GO =D

There are ways to go about societal change and going balls to the wall for a full scale revolution is not in the cards at the moment haha.  There are other things, there are elections, running your own candidates, union organizing, community outreach and the like that I think are what is best for the cause at the moment.

Serious question: How do you reconcile the fact that everywhere Marxism is embraced suffers crippling poverty, starvation, government corruption and the quality of the national products takes a complete nose dive?


Don't let things like facts get in the way of what is possible man!
 
2013-05-07 01:39:51 PM

Bhasayate: But there are higher moral demands on Marxists (given the truth of the theory). In other words, if you really believe what you do, perhaps you should be doing more to start a revolution or something. Just saying...


Read State and Revolution by Lenin.  It gives you a good idea about when revolutions should occur.  The Bolsheviks ran in elections, they boycotted elections and played by the rules for almost 20 years.  Revolution will happen when it happens.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:42 PM

Magnanimous_J: Serious question: How do you reconcile the fact that everywhere Marxism is embraced suffers crippling poverty, starvation, government corruption and the quality of the national products takes a complete nose dive?


Being surrounded by unfriendly capitalist governments will usually do that.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:44 PM

TheJoe03: vpb: Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I have to plenty of racists and a couple former skins, it blows their mind. Iran literally means Aryan.


It would be awesome if it literally blew their minds.
LOL
 
2013-05-07 01:42:07 PM
must have been the beans Ahmadinejad ate.
 
2013-05-07 01:42:49 PM

FarkedOver: Read State and Revolution by Lenin.  It gives you a good idea about when revolutions should occur.


When Lenin was in power would have been a good time.
 
2013-05-07 01:42:53 PM

Magnanimous_J: Serious question: How do you reconcile the fact that everywhere Marxism is embraced suffers crippling poverty, starvation, government corruption and the quality of the national products takes a complete nose dive?


by ignoring both sides
a proper government is a hybrid compromise of both factions.
socialism to help the bottom and regulated capitalism for everything else.

unregulated capitalism is as much a failure as "pure" socialism.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:23 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: But there are higher moral demands on Marxists (given the truth of the theory). In other words, if you really believe what you do, perhaps you should be doing more to start a revolution or something. Just saying...

Read State and Revolution by Lenin.  It gives you a good idea about when revolutions should occur.  The Bolsheviks ran in elections, they boycotted elections and played by the rules for almost 20 years.  Revolution will happen when it happens.


I realize there are theories here, and am not unaware of them. Revolutions don't just happen; if one is a Marxist, then there are things one can do to get the ball rolling in that direction. Ergo, there are things one should do to help bring them about.
 
2013-05-07 01:46:30 PM
Rock the casbah.
 
2013-05-07 01:47:14 PM

namatad: Magnanimous_J: Serious question: How do you reconcile the fact that everywhere Marxism is embraced suffers crippling poverty, starvation, government corruption and the quality of the national products takes a complete nose dive?

by ignoring both sides
a proper government is a hybrid compromise of both factions.
socialism to help the bottom and regulated capitalism for everything else.

unregulated capitalism is as much a failure as "pure" socialism.


The problem is when capitalism becomes to regulated, it tends towards Fascism and Totalitarian abuses of power. This is where the US is headed, and politicians who are D's and R's are walking there hand in hand.
 
2013-05-07 01:47:40 PM

Bhasayate: I realize there are theories here, and am not unaware of them. Revolutions don't just happen; if one is a Marxist, then there are things one can do to get the ball rolling in that direction. Ergo, there are things one should do to help bring them about.


I understand that, BUT do you know how many different farking factions there are!? Stalinsts, Trots, Maoists, Titoists, on and on and on and on.... haha The sad state of the whole thing is none of these factions see eye to eye.  They are at each others throats more than that of the capitalist system.  But I am actually working on reconciling these differences in my area with a few like minded comrades.
 
2013-05-07 01:50:32 PM

FarkedOver: Stone Meadow: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

[www.sabinabecker.com image 500x446]

Concern? This is how you get to work if you are a Palestinian working in Israel.

[ph.cdn.photos.upi.com image 850x559]


We have color pictures of people being marched into ovens?
 
2013-05-07 01:50:50 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: I realize there are theories here, and am not unaware of them. Revolutions don't just happen; if one is a Marxist, then there are things one can do to get the ball rolling in that direction. Ergo, there are things one should do to help bring them about.

I understand that, BUT do you know how many different farking factions there are!? Stalinsts, Trots, Maoists, Titoists, on and on and on and on.... haha The sad state of the whole thing is none of these factions see eye to eye.  They are at each others throats more than that of the capitalist system.  But I am actually working on reconciling these differences in my area with a few like minded comrades.


=D
\:D/
 
2013-05-07 01:52:14 PM

FarkedOver: Bhasayate: I realize there are theories here, and am not unaware of them. Revolutions don't just happen; if one is a Marxist, then there are things one can do to get the ball rolling in that direction. Ergo, there are things one should do to help bring them about.

I understand that, BUT do you know how many different farking factions there are!? Stalinsts, Trots, Maoists, Titoists, on and on and on and on.... haha The sad state of the whole thing is none of these factions see eye to eye.  They are at each others throats more than that of the capitalist system.  But I am actually working on reconciling these differences in my area with a few like minded comrades.


So the followers of the most murderous bunch of sociopaths can't agree on which path of blood to follow?
imokwiththis.gif
 
2013-05-07 01:55:30 PM

studs up: So the followers of the most murderous bunch of sociopaths can't agree on which path of blood to follow?


If you believe more deaths have occurred under the red flag than under any capitalist flag, you're sorely mistaken.
 
2013-05-07 01:57:54 PM

studs up: BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...

Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?


Heh.

The reputation of skinheads is in the toilet. If you tailor your look such that it is reminiscent of the popular image of a racist skinhead, then you'll get judged.

Meh. I guess the "hey... can a good skinhead get some love?" caught my eye funny.

"No, for the millionth time I am  not a Nazi! I just like these outfits!"
 
2013-05-07 02:06:54 PM

Lagaidh: studs up: BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...

Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?

Heh.

The reputation of skinheads is in the toilet. If you tailor your look such that it is reminiscent of the popular image of a racist skinhead, then you'll get judged.

Meh. I guess the "hey... can a good skinhead get some love?" caught my eye funny.

"No, for the millionth time I am  not a Nazi! I just like these outfits!"


Outfits?
Anyway, if your life experience is dictated by what the TV tells you, that is exactly the type of response I would expect. We have all become broadstroke artists that rush to quantify people as fast as possible to avoid contact and rational thought. Enjoy your hole.
 
2013-05-07 02:08:05 PM

FarkedOver: studs up: So the followers of the most murderous bunch of sociopaths can't agree on which path of blood to follow?

If you believe more deaths have occurred under the red flag than under any capitalist flag, you're sorely mistaken.


Statements like this is why no one takes you seriously. Has that been said already?
 
2013-05-07 02:09:03 PM
Communism kills the thread.
 
2013-05-07 02:21:12 PM

Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this


rock the casbah
 
2013-05-07 02:37:20 PM

Shadow Blasko: Aaaannnd... I think I'll just go buy gas now.

/Who am I kidding, I drive an RX-8, I have to buy gas every other day.


And oil.
 
2013-05-07 02:45:01 PM

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: It looks like we've got another Obama scandal on our hands


Is it soup yet?

i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-07 02:45:49 PM
nubian you done went full retard.
 
2013-05-07 02:47:40 PM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

Lost Thought 00: R.A.Danny: FarkedOver: R.A.Danny: I love Israel more and more every day.

For having an apartheid like government?  That's nice.

For killing scum.

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...


Shhhhhh! Don't harsh their libbie glow.
For one of the many memes they know.
Brown people are good; evil whites must go.
Our warfare is all about racism and dough.
 
2013-05-07 02:53:21 PM
Think of it this way; Would the Americans tolerate a bunch of Canadians tossing rockets across the border? I think if we lit up Buffalo, NY with a bunch of rockets a whole lot of hurt would be coming our way, and you as Americans would feel completely justified in doing so. So why doesn't Israel have that right?
 
2013-05-07 02:54:27 PM
Wait...

*checks thread title, reads the last page or so*

No, that can't be right.

On the original subject at hand, anyone seen any corroboration of the report from TFA, and/or any information indicating "standard industrial accident" vs. "THE JEWS DID THIS"?
 
2013-05-07 02:57:59 PM

StanleyPuff: I didn't Farkie you because I am intolerant of your ideas; in fact, I find that I can disagree (or agree) with everyone on some topic or another. You are one of the select few to get a Farkie because you have repeatedly spouted talking points from a very specific point of view and I like to keep this in mind if I ever feel the need to engage you in the future. Please, this is meant to be a compliment, as you are only 1 of approximately 20 people on the whole of Fark that has received this honor, albeit meaningless.

The Fark Armchair RevolutionariesTM (of which I include you) like to talk about the working class and what "they" are capable of if "they" get too pissed off. Problem is, these threats have about as many teeth as the old pervert on The Family Guy.

Rage Against the Machine split up, Che Guevara is dead, Mumia is still a criminal and the closest you'll get to a guillotine is at an Alice Cooper concert. Otherwise, good luck to you and I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

(P.S. IIRC, Your buddy Karl wrote his manifesto while sponging free room and board off of a friend and his family.)


You understand that the working class revolution won't be so much working class as it will be young people, right? It's the younger generation (18-30 year olds) that are going to either fix the shiat their parents/grandparents thrust upon the world, or they will outright revolt. We're seeing that now in the the ME going all the way back to 2009 with the failed "Green revolution" in Iran. But it's the younger chinese taking action, the younger europeans taking action, the young americans taking action. The governments of the world have everything to fear from the young people in the world and yet they do everything they can to prod them even more just to watch them get pissy.

We're workers, yes, but we're also the ones getting farked over time and time again in the last 20 years and we're fed up with it. We can organize better, we can get our message out faster and farther than a government could possibly do. The young people are the ones that are going to take back and repent for the sins of their fathers and it will be glorious

/vote somedude210 '24
 
2013-05-07 03:01:06 PM

JayCab: Wait...

*checks thread title, reads the last page or so*

No, that can't be right.

On the original subject at hand, anyone seen any corroboration of the report from TFA, and/or any information indicating "standard industrial accident" vs. "THE JEWS DID THIS"?


just google newsing this but...yeah, we have Newsmax, IsraeliDefense and ForexLive?
 
2013-05-07 03:11:20 PM

studs up: BgJonson79: vpb: BgJonson79:

aka: Random Brown People

Iranians are Aryan...

Tell that to a skin head.  Go ahead, I dare you.

I don't know any...

Hi there!

Unless you mean racist skin, then no. We all know that most skinheads aren't racist. right? Or are we back to that whole Geraldo, Quincy, Springer idea of what a skinhead is?


Yeah yeah, and swastikas are Bhuddist. Yeah, we know. You're so "edgy". So edgy.
 
2013-05-07 03:16:32 PM

FarkedOver: hardinparamedic: FarkedOver: namatad: you mean like EVERY country in the world?
Let me know when the white people have all left the US/Americas and given it back to the natives. Until then, all countries are theft.

I think borders are criminal. I think calling people "illegal" is farked up.  I'm not that big into nations and countries.

Things like that comment are what make people laugh at you.

I'm perfectly fine with that.  I'm sure people have laughed at many progressive ideas throughout the course of human history.


Except those that were killed because of them.  I'd bet they didn't think they were funny.
 
2013-05-07 03:18:26 PM

namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.


We did. And tests of the emergency alert system on sunny days did induce shatting of 501s
 
2013-05-07 03:22:14 PM

whconner4: namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We did. And tests of the emergency alert system on sunny days did induce shatting of 501s


Ahh yes. Get below your desk to shield yourself from NUCLEAR FALLOUT.

Those were the days.
 
2013-05-07 03:25:18 PM

syberpud: Except those that were killed because of them. I'd bet they didn't think they were funny.


People killed because of the implementation of progressive ideas or people killed because they had progressive ideas?
 
2013-05-07 04:01:15 PM
People, people, we are through the looking glass, people...
 
2013-05-07 04:09:23 PM
In other news, the managers of the fertiliser plant at West Texas were found guilty of breaking the boycott against Iran. They were caught giving advice to Iranian officials on how to safely store explosive materials...

BOOM BOOM!!!!
 
2013-05-07 04:09:26 PM
Sounds like someone had a case of the "dropsies". >_>
 
2013-05-07 04:13:36 PM

Captain Steroid: Sounds like someone had a case of the "dropsies". >_>


The Call to Prayer must be obeyed!  Drop the bomb and point it towards Mecca!
 
2013-05-07 05:01:36 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-07 05:07:20 PM
Lol, WW3 would certainly put a stop all this Benghazi bs.
 
2013-05-07 05:09:37 PM

Tatsuma: Oops.


Your best post ever.
 
2013-05-07 05:23:03 PM

namatad: At what point do start treating the government of Syria correctly and remove them from the equation?


When you volunteer as a foot soldier on the front lines?
 
2013-05-07 06:42:31 PM

bedtundy: namatad: Somacandra: namatad: This is why Iran stores/builds their missiles in a big city. HUMAN SHIELDS are AWESOME SHIELDS.

Is that why Tinker Air Force base is located in the middle of Oklahoma City, or is this selectively criticizing Brown People again?

nah, but military targets are military targets no matter how many people live next door.
You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

They still do.  Those Russian missiles didn't just simply disappear in 1991.  Nor did our nuclear arsenal that is still most likely targeting Russia.  Sure, we were told the missiles are no longer targeted at blah blah blah, and we did the same in good faith, but does anyone actually believe that?


We helped secure them and upgrade their computer control systems. You think we didn't verify their status?
 
2013-05-07 06:53:27 PM

Bhasayate: namatad: BgJonson79: Bhasayate: Somacandra: namatad: You would THINK that people living in OKC were pretty aware that back in the cold war, they had a giant target on their heads.

We all knew it. But its not like we could do anything about it. And people needed jobs when the oil boom busted in the 80's. Missile and research complexes are built where they are for a variety of reasons, including access to infrastructure and labor delivery. One can't say that just because its next to a city means the govenrment intends to use humans as "shields."

As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...

and we fire bombed tokyo and dresden.

dresden - 25k killed, 100-200k refugees
tokyo - ~100k killed
Hiroshima  - 90,000-166,000 killed
Nagasaki   - 60,000-80,000 killed

so nukes did about the same damage as conventional bombing. just quicker and with one drop.
not sure that the dead care.

That's the rub: if you're going to call the Nukes unjust, on account of the massive number of civilian/noncombatant causalities, then you've got to call the fire bombings unjust on those grounds, too -- if you care about things like rational consistency anyway.


The only rational way to fight to win is total war, in which there is full participation in the war effort by the whole populace in some way. The doctrine of total war means that civilian targets are actually pretty scarce. When every machine shop is making weapons and every park is a mustering field or growing crops to feed the military, you don't have the possibility of separation that we like to think is civilized.
 
2013-05-07 07:03:26 PM
Maybe the noise was just generated using PhotoShop.
 
2013-05-07 07:06:16 PM
I would really like to know how a thread on Iranian explosions became an attack on the political and economic realities expounded upon by Carlin. Does anyone deny that we are bought and paid for by the powers that be? It doesn't matter what the owners of society like to call themselves. the fact is that any exercise of coercive power is inherently destructive to individuals regardless of the source.
 
2013-05-07 07:27:08 PM

Bhasayate: The problem is when capitalism becomes to regulated, it tends towards Fascism and Totalitarian abuses of power. This is where the US is headed, and politicians who are D's and R's are walking there hand in hand.


please
no really
PLEASE

while some industries have lobbied for regulation, in order to protect their own interests, which is TERRIBLE, we still have abominations like the cheney loophole which needs closing.

but in the end, you need balance
without regulation, we have the abortion which is most of the polluted world, china, india, south america, etc ...
with too much ... you get france
 
2013-05-07 08:13:18 PM

GoodyearPimp: Don't worry.  This was just a pre-emptive strike by our super bestest allies.  Not aggression.


Your point about semantics is not lost on me.
 
2013-05-07 09:24:52 PM

Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this


Omar Sharif just plays bridge.  Why would he care?
 
2013-05-07 09:49:58 PM
Yeah... well?
 
2013-05-07 10:00:28 PM

SirHolo: Vercengetorix: I bet the Sharif didn't like this

Omar Sharif just plays bridge.  Why would he care?


'Cause it's the crazy Casbah Way?
 
2013-05-07 10:05:03 PM

Somacandra: BgJonson79: Bhasayate: As long as we're calling people out, remember that the US dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You mean, the Democratic Party, spearheaded by a beloved president, dropped nukes...


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Factually incorrect. Most who were approached about it did not want to do it. Its was Secretary of State Byrnes's idea and it was aimed at the Soviets who were almost finished bringing their armies from the Western Front for a land invasion of Japan.


That book is so full of shiat. Seriously. Try reading anything....anything that has been published after all the magic intercepts were declassified.   Alperovitz truncated quotations or moved their context in a manner that altered their meaning. For example, Alperovitz quoted Harry Truman as remarking, just eight days after Franklin Roosevelt's death, that he "intended to be firm with the Russians and make no concessions." Truman's actual statement included the additional phrase "from American principles or traditions in order to win their favor"--which materially alters the sense of Truman's views.

The guy is a hack on this subject.
 
2013-05-07 10:54:48 PM

BolloxReader: The only rational way to fight to win is total war, in which there is full participation in the war effort by the whole populace in some way. The doctrine of total war means that civilian targets are actually pretty scarce. When every machine shop is making weapons and every park is a mustering field or growing crops to feed the military, you don't have the possibility of separation that we like to think is civilized.


THIS
and in the end
every civilian paying taxes, growing food, clothing, pretty much alive, is directly or indirectly contributing to the war effort.
unless they are actively part of the resistance movement fighting against their own government's war effort.

the idea that civilians are special is a pretty damn new concept in war.
what is the POINT of war if you cant rape and pillage?
 
2013-05-07 11:55:36 PM

BolloxReader: The only rational way to fight to win is total war, in which there is full participation in the war effort by the whole populace in some way. The doctrine of total war means that civilian targets are actually pretty scarce. When every machine shop is making weapons and every park is a mustering field or growing crops to feed the military, you don't have the possibility of separation that we like to think is civilized.


So...you've read Sun Tzu.  So did our founders.  Which is why they expected Congress, the direct representatives of the people, to have the sole power to declare war.  Meaning the majority of the country was behind the decision.
 
2013-05-08 10:01:41 PM

Bravo Two: somedude210: any verification of this from another source?

I bet someone dropped something. Time to reset the OSHA board.


So this. When you work with large amounts of heavy explosives, things happen.
 
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