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2013-05-07 01:31:09 PM
April 18, 2013

Mr. David A. Keene
President
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

Mr. Keene,

This letter shall serve as formal resignation of my life membership in the NRA. I ask that you immediately remove my name from your membership roles [sic] and provide me an acknowledgement of this action.

As most in your organization would admit, I have historically been a staunch defender of the NRA purpose and tradition in representing the interests of gun owners. I have personally devoted countless financial resources and time to nurture an intelligent environmental policy that provided for the proud tradition of personal hunting for generations to come.

It disturbs me greatly to see this rigid new direction of the NRA. As a starting point, one only has to ask why the NRA reversed its original position on background checks. Was it not the NRA position to support background checks when Mr. LaPierre himself stated in 1999 that NRA saw checks as "reasonable"? Furthermore, I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members who see background checks as reasonable. In fact, according to a Johns Hopkins University study, 74% say they support background checks.

I am simply unable to comprehend how assault weapons and large capacity magazines have a role in your vision. The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established. Your current strategic focus places a priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members.

One only has to look at the makeup of the 75-member board of directors, dominated by manufacturing interests, to confirm my point.  The NRA appears to have evolved into the lobby for gun and ammunition manufacturers rather than gun owners.

In closing I find it important to extend my personal thanks to Chris Cox and David Lehman for their support of so many important environmental issues. I will miss that level of friendship and support, but must take this action based upon my personal feelings toward the distorted values I see emerging within the NRA.

Sincerely,

Adolphus A. Busch, IV
 
2013-05-07 01:31:28 PM

frankencj: darth_badger: How did the NRA feel about these gun rights activists?

[eonclicker.com image 448x330]

Meh...California, what would you expect.  Houston, Texas in 2000.  Texas GOP convention. NBPP shows up with long guns...if there was an outcry, I never heard or read of it.  Most folks were pissed an old man confronting the NBPP got pushed down.


I wonder what will happen when white people try it in D.C. this 4th of July?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/open-carry-march-washington _n _3222511.html
 
2013-05-07 01:31:44 PM

Bonkthat_Again: vpb: It used to be more about hunting and gun safety.  Not enough money in that I guess.

I'm just curious who, the NRA is actually representing?


People who are afraid of:
- Obama
- non-caucasians
- non-Americans
- a long line at the Ponderosa buffet
- Messicans taking their jerbs
- Obama
- the illegality of incest
- science
- scientists
- ... Ah, hell. Basically the entire LOPCATGOPATA
 
2013-05-07 01:31:48 PM

Silverstaff: The NRA says and does a lot of stupid things.

I still pay them membership dues.  Why?

Because they do one thing very, VERY well.  They are very good at lobbying against increased gun control.

If I want to oppose attacks on my Second Amendment civil rights, I know the ACLU will take a selective blind spot to that civil right.  I, as a private citizen, have very limited ability to influence my legislators.  However, together with several million of my fellow Americans, we can and do.

Just because I pay dues to them doesn't mean I vote how they tell me to (at most, I'll listen to recommendations, but I voted Obama because Romney was all-around worse).  Just because I pay dues to them doesn't mean I agree with every dumbass thing their spokespeople say.

However, backing them is the best way to thwart anti-gun activists and their legislative pressure, so I pay my dues.

It's a little like having an employee that says dumb shiat at work, is neglectful of hygiene, is rude to his co-workers and generally unpleasant, but he's OUTSTANDING at the actual core task of his job.  That is what the NRA is to me, something that is outstanding at it's one core task, even if it has many failings on the side.


Right there with you.  +1
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 01:31:55 PM

Thunderpipes: Have yet to see a single argument by the left why the NRA is bad, one that makes any sense.

They are fighting to keep the 2nd amendment. How could that possibly be bad?

Is the ACLU bad?


Welcome to Earth.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:00 PM

JohnCarter: Somehow..when you start your article with "the NRA held it's annual gun nut convention" this sort of highlights the fact that this is not an actual news article or even a TV review but a thinly veiled editorial wherein the writer is not a gun ownership supporter.


Uproxx wasn't a clue? And you can be all for gun rights and still realize the NRA are whacko.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:16 PM
Did they announce the new date for the race war?
 
2013-05-07 01:33:10 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Its an absolutist position that probably gets thousands of people unnecessarily killed each year, but at least its an ethos.


citation_needed.jpg
 
2013-05-07 01:34:58 PM

fruitloop: This shiat just writes itself.


that pic looks like jon is coaching steven through a live prostate exam
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 01:35:19 PM

darth_badger: frankencj: darth_badger: How did the NRA feel about these gun rights activists?

[eonclicker.com image 448x330]

Meh...California, what would you expect.  Houston, Texas in 2000.  Texas GOP convention. NBPP shows up with long guns...if there was an outcry, I never heard or read of it.  Most folks were pissed an old man confronting the NBPP got pushed down.

I wonder what will happen when white people try it in D.C. this 4th of July?


Considering that the laws in 21st century DC aren't the same as the laws in 1960's California, I hope arrest and prison time.
 
2013-05-07 01:35:27 PM
I dated a girl that worked at the NRA she got fired from it for pulling a gun on someone. Later on she stalked me. Good times.
 
2013-05-07 01:35:59 PM

mysticcat: April 18, 2013

Mr. David A. Keene
President
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

Mr. Keene,

This letter shall serve as formal resignation of my life membership in the NRA. I ask that you immediately remove my name from your membership roles [sic] and provide me an acknowledgement of this action.

As most in your organization would admit, I have historically been a staunch defender of the NRA purpose and tradition in representing the interests of gun owners. I have personally devoted countless financial resources and time to nurture an intelligent environmental policy that provided for the proud tradition of personal hunting for generations to come.

It disturbs me greatly to see this rigid new direction of the NRA. As a starting point, one only has to ask why the NRA reversed its original position on background checks. Was it not the NRA position to support background checks when Mr. LaPierre himself stated in 1999 that NRA saw checks as "reasonable"? Furthermore, I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members who see background checks as reasonable. In fact, according to a Johns Hopkins University study, 74% say they support background checks.

I am simply unable to comprehend how assault weapons and large capacity magazines have a role in your vision. The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established. Your current strategic focus places a priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members.

One only has to look at the makeup of the 75-member board of directors, dominated by manufacturing interests, to confirm my point.  The NRA appears to have evolved into the lobby for gun and ammunition manufacturers rather than gun owners.

In closing I find it important to extend my personal thanks to Chris Cox and David Lehman for their support of so many important environmental issues. I will miss tha ...


Not to be confused with August Busch IV, the last CEO before inbev. It's not actually the famous name you think it is. August Busch IV is somewhat culpable in the death of two ladies, led an OJ style car chase, and is a drug addict. I'm not sure if he has enough brain cells functioning to make an intelligent stand. Just an FYI.

Now AB is owned by soulless inbev, who would never make a political statement anyways, because business.
 
2013-05-07 01:36:46 PM

darth_badger: I wonder what will happen when white people try it in D.C. this 4th of July?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/open-carry-march-washington _n _3222511.html


Aw, Jebus. I'm gonna have to get the fark out of Dodge for a few days, aren't I?

// lives a mile-ish from the Mall
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 01:38:28 PM

GoldSpider: Wolf_Blitzer: Its an absolutist position that probably gets thousands of people unnecessarily killed each year, but at least its an ethos.

citation_needed.jpg


It's funny how "citation needed" has come to mean "I can't dispute what you say but I don't like it.  i guess you've never heard of Sandy Hook?

Gun related deaths
 
2013-05-07 01:38:48 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Bonkthat_Again: I'm just curious who, the NRA is actually representing?

"[Incoming president] Porter, 64, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1961, is part of the small, Birmingham, Ala., law firm of Porter, Porter & Hassinger. The firm's website notes its expertise in defending gun manufacturers in lawsuits."

I think this is a case of the gun manufacturer's creation (the "new" i.e. rabidly partisan NRA) going beyond what they intended and losing control. Much like the astroturfers who created the Tea Party to attack Obama but found the result to be Christine O'Donnell and Todd Akin.


Manufacturers are still giving away memberships with purchase and linking to NRA from their webpages and they were everywhere at the convention. Shares are up. They're just fine with the NRA, even your favorite brand.
 
2013-05-07 01:38:49 PM
i32.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-07 01:39:03 PM

Thunderpipes: Have yet to see a single argument by the left why the NRA is bad, one that makes any sense.

They are fighting to keep the 2nd amendment. How could that possibly be bad?

Is the ACLU bad?


They fight against any laws (like the expanded background checks favored by the vast majority of Americans) that would make it more difficult for criminals and the mentally ill to acquire firearms. And they've jumped on the same right-wing crazytrain the Tea Party jumped on.

They're not a civil rights group any more. They're a puppet of gun manufacturers and the GOP, existing purely to scare idiots into buying more guns and ammo and voting Republican.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:21 PM

GoldSpider: Wolf_Blitzer: Its an absolutist position that probably gets thousands of people unnecessarily killed each year, but at least its an ethos.

citation_needed.jpg


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=annual+US+firearms+deaths
 
2013-05-07 01:40:47 PM
says a lot about the current NRA when i know at least 5 people(+my self) who have cancelled there life time memberships do the the disconnect from reality the current leadership has

Heston just liked Guns, but the guys that have followed him are just beyond logic
 
2013-05-07 01:41:41 PM

cubic_spleen: - ... Ah, hell. Basically the entire LOPCATGOPATA


Somehow you need to rework that acronym to say LOLCATGOPATA
 
2013-05-07 01:42:35 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Wolf_Blitzer: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Bonkthat_Again: I'm just curious who, the NRA is actually representing?

"[Incoming president] Porter, 64, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1961, is part of the small, Birmingham, Ala., law firm of Porter, Porter & Hassinger. The firm's website notes its expertise in defending gun manufacturers in lawsuits."

I think this is a case of the gun manufacturer's creation (the "new" i.e. rabidly partisan NRA) going beyond what they intended and losing control. Much like the astroturfers who created the Tea Party to attack Obama but found the result to be Christine O'Donnell and Todd Akin.

Manufacturers are still giving away memberships with purchase and linking to NRA from their webpages and they were everywhere at the convention. Shares are up. They're just fine with the NRA, even your favorite brand.


And most Republicans will still swear they support the Tea Party, too. Just look at Smith & Wesson to see what happens when you go up against the Inquisition.
 
2013-05-07 01:42:39 PM

mysticcat: National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030


Ugh. I get so tired of being reminded that I have to stare directly at their building looking out my office window every damn day.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:10 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: GoldSpider: Wolf_Blitzer: Its an absolutist position that probably gets thousands of people unnecessarily killed each year, but at least its an ethos.

citation_needed.jpg

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=annual+US+firearms+deaths


That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:00 PM

Thunderpipes: Have yet to see a single argument by the left why the NRA is bad, one that makes any sense.

They are fighting to keep the 2nd amendment. How could that possibly be bad?

Is the ACLU bad?


They've gone completely partisan.  They were always racist, but this new batch of "leaders" is like a whos-who of hard right ideaology.

To give you some idea, they even have Grover Norquist on their board of directors.  And Bob Barr.  Not to mention good old Ted Nugent.

It was all about hunting in the 60's and 70's.  Now hunting is nowhere to be seen.  It's a GOP fringe group.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:35 PM

JohnCarter: Somehow..when you start your article with "the NRA held it's annual gun nut convention" this sort of highlights the fact that this is not an actual news article or even a TV review but a thinly veiled editorial wherein the writer is not a gun ownership supporter.


well there's owners. and there are crazy people with guns who believe the liberal govt jackbooted thugs are knocking on your door just as soon as you close your eyes. and the only thing keeping them at bay are you and your peashooter.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:55 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Did they announce the new date for the race war?


January 21, 2009?
 
2013-05-07 01:46:01 PM

Qellaqan: Not to be confused with August Busch IV, the last CEO before inbev. It's not actually the famous name you think it is. August Busch IV is somewhat culpable in the death of two ladies, led an OJ style car chase, and is a drug addict. I'm not sure if he has enough brain cells functioning to make an intelligent stand. Just an FYI.


Exactly- he's the perfect NRA member

/didn't know all that
 
2013-05-07 01:46:16 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: GoldSpider: Wolf_Blitzer: Its an absolutist position that probably gets thousands of people unnecessarily killed each year, but at least its an ethos.

citation_needed.jpg

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=annual+US+firearms+deaths


The NRA alone causes that many deaths? Astonishing.
 
2013-05-07 01:46:19 PM

clintster: Which is odd, since the NRA leadership seems to be doing everything in their power to increase gun sales through fear.


Looking at the availability of select types of firearms(anything resembling 'tactical') and ammunition, it's working like a champ.  All the AR-15 manufacturing companies are operating at full bore and there's STILL a six month wait for a lot of them.

vpb: It used to be more about hunting and gun safety.  Not enough money in that I guess.


1.  Hunting - Demographics have changed.  Today most gun owners aren't hunters.  Most own for target shooting/self defense.  Thus the NRA's priorities have shifted.
2.  Safety - The safety issue is 'pretty much' handled, but the NRA still runs it's safety programs.  It's just not sexy to report on the news that the NRA is having an 'Eddie Eagle' training program at the local schools, assuming that the school will let them due to politics.  Eddie Eagle mostly consists of 'STOP!  DON'T TOUCH!  GET AN ADULT!', but apparently that's still evil for some administrators.
 
2013-05-07 01:46:51 PM

MonoChango: I'm not a member but from what I know they started out as a safety organization that helped organize gun competitions.


A brief history of the NRA, and how they got involved with gun control

The NRA was founded in 1871, in the aftermath of the Civil War, by Union officers who were appalled at the level of civilian firearms skill in the US (and what poor shots they made as military recruits).  They thought that for better miltiary readiness, the US population should be encouraged to learn marksmanship through shooting sports.

For around a century, that's primarily what the NRA was, an organization dedicated to promoting shooting sports and learning marksmanship and gun safety.  When the National Firearms Act of 1934 came around, the act that de-facto banned fully automatic weapons, the NRA didn't seriously oppose it.  The thought at the time was that machine guns (i.e. fully automatic guns) were "gangster" weapons without legitimate civilian use for self defense or hunting, a position SCOTUS upheld in the Miller decision.

The NRA started to get involved with gun control in the late '60's.  The Gun Control Act of 1968 was opposed by the NRA, not for inherently being gun control, but because it had several provisions in there that were pretty harsh on dealers.  (These provisions were later repealed or allowed to sunset).

However, fresh off the success of the '68 act, the nascent gun control movement in the US was emboldened by a Presidential commission report on crime released in '72.  This report recommended banning handguns in the US, and confiscating all civilian owned handguns, over a 10 year period, and when combined with strict registration and licensing of rifles/shotguns, making the US a de-facto gun free nation by the early 1980's.

Well, the gun control movement was fueled by this.  There was increasing talk of gun control, of banning all guns, of banning handguns, ect in the early to mid 1970's.

Until this point, the people who had been the bulk of the NRA membership had never seen any real attempt to take guns away.  For millions and millions of people, gun ownership was just simply a way of life, and that way of life was now under attack from what was seen to be urban liberals.

The NRA mobilized, en masse, to pressure Congress to not even consider further gun control.  That whole bit with Charleton Heston holding a gun, saying you could only get it from out of his cold dead hands?  That wasn't hyperbole when placed against rhetoric coming from the left about gun confiscation and abolishment at the time.

That's a reason the NRA is so resistant to ANY further gun control, as far as they're concerned, the other side tipped their hand years ago, and know that they want to ban all guns, so they're going to try to do it one bit at a time.  One new restriction.  One new rule.  One new limit, until guns are pretty much gone, along with the way of life they represent.

All it takes is the likes of Gov. Cuomo or Sen. Feinstein saying anything about gun confiscation and that's enough to inflame that old wound for years to come.

So, that's how a marksmanship club founded in the aftermath of the Civil War has become pretty much a devoted anti-gun-control lobbying group.
 
2013-05-07 01:47:02 PM

darth_badger: frankencj: darth_badger: How did the NRA feel about these gun rights activists?

[eonclicker.com image 448x330]

Meh...California, what would you expect.  Houston, Texas in 2000.  Texas GOP convention. NBPP shows up with long guns...if there was an outcry, I never heard or read of it.  Most folks were pissed an old man confronting the NBPP got pushed down.

I wonder what will happen when white people try it in D.C. this 4th of July?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/open-carry-march-washington _n _3222511.html


Not much.

"There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event."
 
2013-05-07 01:48:51 PM

kronicfeld: mysticcat: National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

Ugh. I get so tired of being reminded that I have to stare directly at their building looking out my office window every damn day.


A clip from JUAN OF THE DEAD for you ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2p2FCNWZEU
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 01:50:34 PM
ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.
 
2013-05-07 01:53:50 PM

vpb: ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.



The assumption the initial post (with the lmgtfy) made was that all firearm deaths were preventable; if only we'd passed legislation that the NRA alone was responsible for blocking, all these deaths would not have occurred. It's not accurate.
 
2013-05-07 01:54:34 PM

vpb: ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.


Horseshiat.  What you've said is absolute horseshiat.  How would the laws have prevented the Colorado theater shooting?  Sandy Hook?  VA Tech - maybe, as the shooter should've been registered in his state as mentally unstable and thusly prevented from making the firearm purchase.   Background checks?  They already exist for all non private party sales.  All dealers must exercise background checks.  Banning evil black rifles?  That didn't work worth a shiat last time it was tried.
 
2013-05-07 01:56:29 PM

vpb: ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.


By gravely restricting or essentially abolishing a basic civil right?

So, just think how many lives we could save if we abolished the 4th amendment.  Just have random police searches of houses and cars.  Random roadblocks.  Arrest people for contraband or warrants.  Think how many criminals we could sweep up, how many lives we could save. . .just at the cost of just a little freedom, just one more amendment.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1755
 
2013-05-07 01:58:20 PM

vpb: ronaprhys:
If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.


So is the ACLU responsible for peoples deaths because they support the 4th Amendment? After all, I'm sure the same justification for 'public safety' can be made for removing the requirements of search warrants. Lord knows, police and governmental organization have tried to push the limits constantly on that right.
 
2013-05-07 01:58:20 PM
I really do like Jon Stewart and I erroneously thought Palin had vanished from the scene (am now busy looking for for the total video of Palin's talk...)
 
2013-05-07 01:58:22 PM

Silverstaff: vpb: ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.

By gravely restricting or essentially abolishing a basic civil right?

So, just think how many lives we could save if we abolished the 4th amendment.  Just have random police searches of houses and cars.  Random roadblocks.  Arrest people for contraband or warrants.  Think how many criminals we could sweep up, how many lives we could save. . .just at the cost of just a little freedom, just one more amendment.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1755


WOLVERINES!!!
 
2013-05-07 01:59:17 PM

Silverstaff: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1755



You're not a freedom fighter protecting your liberties from an evil tyrant. You're a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum because you can't get everything you want.

EyeballKid, 2013
 
2013-05-07 01:59:31 PM
 
2013-05-07 01:59:53 PM

Silverstaff: vpb: ronaprhys:
That's an interesting correlation equals causation argument you've got there, Lou.  Demonstrate the causal link between NRA activities and the thousands of deaths.

No, you just have an interesting denial problem.

If people are being killed in incidents that could be prevented by public safety laws and the NRA is preventing public safety laws then the NRA is responsible for people being killed due to the absence of public safety laws.

By gravely restricting or essentially abolishing a basic civil right?

So, just think how many lives we could save if we abolished the 4th amendment.  Just have random police searches of houses and cars.  Random roadblocks.  Arrest people for contraband or warrants.  Think how many criminals we could sweep up, how many lives we could save. . .just at the cost of just a little freedom, just one more amendment.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1755


Just think - by banning that amendment, they could search the home or car of anyone they suspect of illegally owning a firearm and seize it from those folks and leave the rest of us alone.  It's the perfect authoritarian wet dream.  Plus, the war on drugs could be dealt with much more effectively.  Just raid anyone who looks druggish.
 
2013-05-07 02:00:36 PM

EyeballKid: Silverstaff: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1755


You're not a freedom fighter protecting your liberties from an evil tyrant. You're a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum because you can't get everything you want.

EyeballKid, 2013


Actually I can.  You need to Learn2Law better.
 
2013-05-07 02:00:45 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: darth_badger: frankencj: darth_badger: How did the NRA feel about these gun rights activists?

[eonclicker.com image 448x330]

Meh...California, what would you expect.  Houston, Texas in 2000.  Texas GOP convention. NBPP shows up with long guns...if there was an outcry, I never heard or read of it.  Most folks were pissed an old man confronting the NBPP got pushed down.

I wonder what will happen when white people try it in D.C. this 4th of July?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/open-carry-march-washington _n _3222511.html

Not much.

"There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event."


Yeah. That group might be a bit zealous but they are doing their best for a peaceful protest. To the point they say they will walk away if police ask them to.

I think their best course of action would be to show up without their guns or unloaded ones though.

I can't say I agree with their stance but I agree with their right to peaceful protest which is what they claim to desire.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:22 PM

Silverstaff: That's a reason the NRA is so resistant to ANY further gun control, as far as they're concerned, the other side tipped their hand years ago, and know that they want to ban all guns, so they're going to try to do it one bit at a time. One new restriction. One new rule. One new limit, until guns are pretty much gone, along with the way of life they represent.


Yes, this. And the constant demonetization of an entire group of law abiding citizens. "Gun nuts", "small penis", knuckle dragging neanderthals", "Tea baggers", etc., etc. Say that you honestly believe in your anti-gun cause. OK. How do you think that this would be beneficial to your cause?
 
2013-05-07 02:04:39 PM

Thunderpipes: Have yet to see a single argument by the left why the NRA is bad, one that makes any sense.

They are fighting to keep the 2nd amendment. How could that possibly be bad?

Is the ACLU bad?


They're misrepresenting the 2nd amendment. Random people owning guns does not constitute an organised militia.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:42 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event."


Exactly.  All the law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights will be on their absolutely best behavior with unloaded weapons.  All the cops, mindful that these are politically active law abiding types, will be on their own best behavior.  Anybody who screws up will be raked over the coals with the approval of everybody else.  There will be enough cops in the area that any criminal elements will stay far away.

Look at it this way - it's like the difference between a 16 year old behind the wheel of a kia vs a 40 year old professional truck driver.  Sure, the truck could theoretically do more damage, but in reality the cops are going to be responding to the Kia driver doing something wrong far more often.

Along those lines, the cops actually have far more to worry about with the various officially unarmed protests - the various occupy movements, anti-war protestors, anti-gay protestors, pro-gay protestors, pro-free trade, anti-free trade, anti-globalism, and such that have a fairly extensive record of property damage and even injuries.

I figure that 90% of anybody carrying will not have any ammunition at all on them, but in a worst case scenario I wouldn't be surprised if at least 10% quickly became loaded, though most would only have a single magazine.
 
2013-05-07 02:06:22 PM

smells_like_meat: Silverstaff: That's a reason the NRA is so resistant to ANY further gun control, as far as they're concerned, the other side tipped their hand years ago, and know that they want to ban all guns, so they're going to try to do it one bit at a time. One new restriction. One new rule. One new limit, until guns are pretty much gone, along with the way of life they represent.

Yes, this. And the constant demonetization of an entire group of law abiding citizens. "Gun nuts", "small penis", knuckle dragging neanderthals", "Tea baggers", etc., etc. Say that you honestly believe in your anti-gun cause. OK. How do you think that this would be beneficial to your cause?


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2013-05-07 02:06:27 PM

smells_like_meat: Yes, this. And the constant demonetization of an entire group of law abiding citizens. "Gun nuts", "small penis", knuckle dragging neanderthals", "Tea baggers", etc., etc. Say that you honestly believe in your anti-gun cause. OK. How do you think that this would be beneficial to your cause?


Yeah, you tell them libtardz what's whut!
 
2013-05-07 02:06:50 PM

EyeballKid: EyeballKid: rhinocerous

But, if you order early, I'll throw in some of my super-secret rhiocerous repellant along with the rhinocerous repellant!


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