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2013-05-07 10:26:08 PM

red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: Zito was 15-8 last year

hahahahahahaha

He was. They kept a record and everything.


hahahahahahahaha
 
2013-05-07 10:29:33 PM

DeWayne Mann: By the way, just because I noticed it while I was looking at something else.

Miguel Cabrera's slash line in "Late & Close" this season:

.167/.318/.167

Impressive.


While I hate when people use that split (as I am sure you do too), I would expect it to be bad for him. The tigers have had something like 40 games that went 14+ innings this year. Hard to get a hit at 3 AM.
 
2013-05-07 10:33:42 PM

You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: By the way, just because I noticed it while I was looking at something else.

Miguel Cabrera's slash line in "Late & Close" this season:

.167/.318/.167

Impressive.

While I hate when people use that split (as I am sure you do too), I would expect it to be bad for him. The tigers have had something like 40 games that went 14+ innings this year. Hard to get a hit at 3 AM.


One of the many reasons why most "clutch" stats are fairly meaningless.

By the way, I might as well share what I was checking when I saw that: if he had any grand slams this year. Turns out, no; he's been up with the bases loaded twice, and he had a walk and a K.

Hack Wilson set the RBI record without any grand slams, so these things matter.
 
2013-05-07 10:35:25 PM

You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: By the way, just because I noticed it while I was looking at something else.

Miguel Cabrera's slash line in "Late & Close" this season:

.167/.318/.167

Impressive.

While I hate when people use that split (as I am sure you do too), I would expect it to be bad for him. The tigers have had something like 40 games that went 14+ innings this year. Hard to get a hit at 3 AM.


Really only 3 games that were 13 innings or more, but 2 on west coast and one on central. Made me tired watching them.
 
2013-05-08 12:47:32 AM

DeWayne Mann: red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: Zito was 15-8 last year

hahahahahahaha

He was. They kept a record and everything.

hahahahahahahaha


Then he beat Justin Verlander in game one of the World Series.
 
2013-05-08 01:00:26 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: By the way, just because I noticed it while I was looking at something else.

Miguel Cabrera's slash line in "Late & Close" this season:

.167/.318/.167

Impressive.

While I hate when people use that split (as I am sure you do too), I would expect it to be bad for him. The tigers have had something like 40 games that went 14+ innings this year. Hard to get a hit at 3 AM.


That's when it's a good time to have Kyle Farnsworth in your bullpen. I don't know if he still does, but he used to close out the 4:00 bars in Chicago. Not so hot if your team plays mostly day games at home, but at 3 a.m., he's probably rarin' to go.
 
2013-05-08 01:02:26 AM

red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: Zito was 15-8 last year

hahahahahahaha

He was. They kept a record and everything.

hahahahahahahaha

Then he beat Justin Verlander in game one of the World Series.


I don't feel like laughing anymore.
 
2013-05-08 09:17:34 AM

red5ish: chimp_ninja: Barry Zito

Hint: The pattern is that these guys aren't very good.  The best ERA of the lot was Scott Frickin' Diamond's 3.54.

Zito was 15-8 last year and 1-0 in the post season with an ERA of 1.59.  Which was surprising, to say the least.


His curveball in Game 1 was ruthless.
 
2013-05-08 10:42:12 AM

red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: Zito was 15-8 last year

hahahahahahaha

He was. They kept a record and everything.

hahahahahahahaha

Then he beat Justin Verlander in game one of the World Series.


You must be fun to play poker with.  "This thing just happened, therefore this thing is a good strategy."

Barry Zito hasn't had a good season in a Giants uniform.
 
2013-05-08 07:21:06 PM

chimp_ninja: Barry Zito hasn't had a good season in a Giants uniform.


He has been a huge disappointment throughout the years of his contract with San Francisco, no question about it.
2012 was his best year with the Giants.

You must be fun to play poker with.  "This thing just happened, therefore this thing is a good strategy."

Not sure what you mean by this^. Dwayne Mann was posting 2012 stats and I was responding with Zito's 2012 stats. That's the joke.
 
2013-05-08 08:19:56 PM

red5ish: 2012 was his best year with the Giants.


No it wasn't.

red5ish: Dwayne Mann was posting 2012 stats


No I wasn't.
 
2013-05-08 09:39:41 PM
DeWayne Mann:
red5ish: 2012 was his best year with the Giants.

No it wasn't
.
Yes it was.*

red5ish: Dwayne Mann was posting 2012 stats

No I wasn't.

Yes you were.
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*Based on W-L%
 
2013-05-08 09:47:02 PM

red5ish: Yes you were.


I don't believe I've cited a single 2012 stat in this entire thread.

red5ish: *Based on W-L%


Which is, you know, worthless.

According to any reasonable stat, it was his worst or second worst full season ever.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:07 PM
DeWayne Mann: red5ish: Yes you were.

I don't believe I've cited a single 2012 stat in this entire thread.

You're right. I stand corrected. I was responding to chimp ninja's post.

red5ish: *Based on W-L%

Which is, you know, worthless.

According to any reasonable stat, it was his worst or second worst full season ever.

What reasonable stat are you basing that on?
 
2013-05-08 10:58:27 PM

red5ish: What reasonable stat are you basing that on?


ERA+, ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-.

Basically, anything that accounts for the fact that hitters in 2012 were worse (or pitchers better, however you want to look at it) than in, say, 2008.

Even if you don't account for that, the season still looks pretty bad. 4th worst SIERA of his career, for instance.

But, hey. Wins.
 
2013-05-09 02:06:38 AM

DeWayne Mann: red5ish: What reasonable stat are you basing that on?

ERA+, ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-.

Basically, anything that accounts for the fact that hitters in 2012 were worse (or pitchers better, however you want to look at it) than in, say, 2008.

Even if you don't account for that, the season still looks pretty bad. 4th worst SIERA of his career, for instance.

But, hey. Wins.


Some of those stats prove that Zito had a better 2008 season (when he led the league in losses) than he had in 2012. The difference appears to be run support. Apparently Zito can't win games when his team scores no runs. Who knew?
 
2013-05-09 02:15:07 AM

red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: What reasonable stat are you basing that on?

ERA+, ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-.

Basically, anything that accounts for the fact that hitters in 2012 were worse (or pitchers better, however you want to look at it) than in, say, 2008.

Even if you don't account for that, the season still looks pretty bad. 4th worst SIERA of his career, for instance.

But, hey. Wins.

Some of those stats prove that Zito had a better 2008 season (when he led the league in losses) than he had in 2012. The difference appears to be run support. Apparently Zito can't win games when his team scores no runs. Who knew?


Everyone who doesn't use wins & losses.
 
2013-05-09 02:37:49 AM

DeWayne Mann: red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: What reasonable stat are you basing that on?

ERA+, ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-.

Basically, anything that accounts for the fact that hitters in 2012 were worse (or pitchers better, however you want to look at it) than in, say, 2008.

Even if you don't account for that, the season still looks pretty bad. 4th worst SIERA of his career, for instance.

But, hey. Wins.

Some of those stats prove that Zito had a better 2008 season (when he led the league in losses) than he had in 2012. The difference appears to be run support. Apparently Zito can't win games when his team scores no runs. Who knew?

Everyone who doesn't use wins & losses.


Everyone who looked at his ERA of 5.15 in 2008 and saw his 10-17 W-L record could tell that he needed to play for a team that gave him a LOT more run support. Like maybe the Rangers.
 
2013-05-09 02:43:25 AM

red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: DeWayne Mann: red5ish: What reasonable stat are you basing that on?

ERA+, ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-.

Basically, anything that accounts for the fact that hitters in 2012 were worse (or pitchers better, however you want to look at it) than in, say, 2008.

Even if you don't account for that, the season still looks pretty bad. 4th worst SIERA of his career, for instance.

But, hey. Wins.

Some of those stats prove that Zito had a better 2008 season (when he led the league in losses) than he had in 2012. The difference appears to be run support. Apparently Zito can't win games when his team scores no runs. Who knew?

Everyone who doesn't use wins & losses.

Everyone who looked at his ERA of 5.15 in 2008 and saw his 10-17 W-L record could tell that he needed to play for a team that gave him a LOT more run support. Like maybe the Rangers.


...ok.

Not totally sure what your point with all this is.
 
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