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2013-05-07 01:06:07 PM
Not an article about Armando Galarraga?  Although, he's actually not terrible this year.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:31 PM
You can catch lightning in a bottle in baseball.

When you're in danger of losing your rotation spot on the Astros, it's time to find a different career.
 
2013-05-07 01:11:59 PM

erupt2001: You can catch lightning in a bottle in baseball.

When you're in danger of losing your rotation spot on the Astros, it's time to find a different career.


THIS. The only way that could hurt more is if they told him "we're giving your spot in the rotation to your mother, to thank her for all the blowjobs."
 
2013-05-07 01:18:24 PM
Quality Starts is a better measure of pitching prowess anyway
 
2013-05-07 01:19:25 PM
This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?
 
2013-05-07 01:19:45 PM
A win is a win
 
2013-05-07 01:20:06 PM

lacrossestar83: Quality Starts is a better measure of pitching prowess anyway


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Or, at least, that you have a more sane definition of "Quality Start" than the official one.
 
2013-05-07 01:20:36 PM
Mark Buerhle's name doesn't show up in the article.  So the Jays have that going for them, which is nice.
 
2013-05-07 01:22:02 PM

erupt2001: You can catch lightning in a bottle in baseball.

When you're in danger of losing your rotation spot on the Astros, it's time to find a different career.


Humber's perfect game last April was with the White Sox, who finished 85-77. This year, the Astros will be lucky to WIN 77 games.
Halladay's perfect game in April 2010 was with the Phillies, who finished 97-65 and went to Game 6 of the NLDS.

Context, subby.

// of course, Dock Ellis pitched a no-no on acid
// for the Pirates
// lightning in a bottle indeed
 
2013-05-07 01:22:15 PM

DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?


Oh, man up already. Grit it out, rub some dirt on it. You're going to have to come through in the clutch for this one.
 
2013-05-07 01:23:38 PM

Joe_diGriz: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Oh, man up already. Grit it out, rub some dirt on it. You're going to have to come through in the clutch for this one.


Can't I just charge the mound?
 
2013-05-07 01:33:45 PM

erupt2001: You can catch lightning in a bottle in baseball.


Especially when you're pitching against the Mariners.
 
2013-05-07 01:38:02 PM

DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?


Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?
 
2013-05-07 01:42:28 PM

bigmf: Mark Buerhle's name doesn't show up in the article.  So the Jays have that going for them, which is nice.


That's how I feel about the Indians and Ubaldo Jimenez.

/Still over .500
//F*ck yeah
 
2013-05-07 01:49:21 PM

WTF Indeed: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?


Myself and terrible fark threads have a history, it dates back to a few years ago. You guys could look it up. It's documented.
 
2013-05-07 01:55:38 PM

DeWayne Mann: WTF Indeed: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?

Myself and terrible fark threads have a history, it dates back to a few years ago. You guys could look it up. It's documented. Study it out.


Go Phils!
/sigh
 
2013-05-07 01:56:12 PM
Strikeout pitchers tend to have higher ERAs. They generally to pitch very close to the ....DANGER ZONE....and rely on their fastball or a decent break to confuse the hitter.When the command it there, those type of pitchers are near unhittable. When the command is off...welcome to batting practice.The lower ERA guys are generally pitching for bad contact.
 
2013-05-07 01:57:13 PM

DeWayne Mann: WTF Indeed: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?

Myself and terrible fark threads have a history, it dates back to a few years ago. You guys could look it up. It's documented.




Is proving your right and some stranger on the Internet is wrong worth your life ?
I like to thank so.
 
2013-05-07 01:57:41 PM

CavalierEternal: bigmf: Mark Buerhle's name doesn't show up in the article.  So the Jays have that going for them, which is nice.

That's how I feel about the Indians and Ubaldo Jimenez.

/Still over .500
//F*ck yeah


Man, what happened THERE??? He was kicking ass in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in the league to sucking it up in Cleveland. Y'all got gypped.
 
2013-05-07 01:59:21 PM

SkylineRecords: CavalierEternal: bigmf: Mark Buerhle's name doesn't show up in the article.  So the Jays have that going for them, which is nice.

That's how I feel about the Indians and Ubaldo Jimenez.

/Still over .500
//F*ck yeah

Man, what happened THERE??? He was kicking ass in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in the league to sucking it up in Cleveland. Y'all got gypped.


Fortunately, the prospects we gave up have all turned out to be sh*t, too, so it wasn't much of a loss.
 
2013-05-07 02:00:47 PM

DeWayne Mann: WTF Indeed: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?

Myself and terrible fark threads have a history, it dates back to a few years ago. You guys could look it up. It's documented.


Maybe you should just avoid threads that have the terms "Gold Glove", "Jeter", "Most Valuable", "ERA", and/or "Triple Crown" in the future. For your blood pressure.
 
2013-05-07 02:01:00 PM

meanmutton: Not an article about Armando Galarraga?  Although, he's actually not terrible this year.


Ouch. That's mean.
 
2013-05-07 02:03:09 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Is proving your right and some stranger on the Internet is wrong worth your life ?


See, it's not about who's right and wrong; it's all about "starting a dialogue" and "opening minds".

I welcome you to enjoy this new Fark Sports thread paradigm, one of kindness and enlightenment, with us. Pancake social tomorrow at 9am.
 
2013-05-07 02:03:38 PM

johnny_vegas: DeWayne Mann: WTF Indeed: DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?

Depends, can you quantify if a thread is actually trying to kill you or is just lucky?

Myself and terrible fark threads have a history, it dates back to a few years ago. You guys could look it up. It's documented. Study it out.

Go Phils!
/sigh


I'll have you know that I voted for Delmon Young on every one of my ASG ballots.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Is proving your right and some stranger on the Internet is wrong worth your life ?


Probably.

studleystudstutterson: Maybe you should just avoid threads that have the terms "Gold Glove", "Jeter", "Most Valuable", "ERA", and/or "Triple Crown" in the future. For your blood pressure.


Oh man, there are so many more. Pete Rose. Ichiro. Batting Average. Steroids.

It's a wonder I'm not dead already.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:52 PM

Killer Cars: Pancake social tomorrow at 9am.


I'd make a Fred Lewis reference here, but no one else would get it.

OTOH, if anyone knows that little tidbit of information, please let me know so we can laugh about it.
 
2013-05-07 02:06:33 PM

DeWayne Mann: OTOH, if anyone knows that little tidbit of information, please let me know so we can laugh about it.


I didn't, but it is right on wiki page.

That is hilariously random.
 
2013-05-07 02:10:59 PM

DeWayne Mann: Oh man, there are so many more. Pete Rose. Ichiro. Batting Average. Steroids.

It's a wonder I'm not dead already.


Stick to the common sense things in baseball, like Ryan Howard's $150M contract and the proper valuation of saves.
 
2013-05-07 02:11:34 PM

Killer Cars: DeWayne Mann: OTOH, if anyone knows that little tidbit of information, please let me know so we can laugh about it.

I didn't, but it is right on wiki page.

That is hilariously random.


He's playing in Japan now. I wonder what the cultural equivalent there is.
 
2013-05-07 02:16:52 PM

Killer Cars: I didn't, but it is right on wiki page.


*reads up*

That. Is. Awesome.

DeWayne Mann: He's playing in Japan now. I wonder what the cultural equivalent there is.


Probably who can sing the loudest, and most likely (based on what I know from my friend) natto and nori.
 
2013-05-07 02:17:00 PM
Humber is basically throwing batting practice to left-handed hitters this year. He should get hired by any lefty that's in the home run derby.
 
2013-05-07 02:18:16 PM

you have pee hands: Ryan Howard's $150M contract


I'm still amazed by that. I'll be on my death bed (most likely in about 3 months) and still be laughing about it. Even funnier are the people who still try to defend it.

you have pee hands: the proper valuation of saves.


I've decided I like them overvalued. Makes it a lot easier for a smart GM to put a bullpen together.

Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.
 
2013-05-07 02:19:18 PM

italie: Strikeout pitchers tend to have higher ERAs. They generally to pitch very close to the ....DANGER ZONE....and rely on their fastball or a decent break to confuse the hitter.When the command it there, those type of pitchers are near unhittable. When the command is off...welcome to batting practice.The lower ERA guys are generally pitching for bad contact.


Ten best ERAs in baseball last year, along with K/9:
Kershaw 2.53, 9.1
Price 2.56, 8.1
Verlander 2.64, 9.0
Dickey 2.73, 8.9
Cueto 2.78, 7.1
Cain 2.79, 7.9
Weaver 2.81, 6.8
Lohse 2.86, 6.1
Gonzalez 2.89, 9.4
Zimmermann  2.94, 5.5

For calibration, the average MLB starting pitcher in 2012 had a 4.19 ERA and struck out 7.1 per 9.

So of the top 10 pitchers, three strike out fewer than average, one is right on the line, and six are high-strikeout guys.  The best pitchers in baseball are on that list.

This pattern persists year after year-- strikeout rates are a good predictor of next year's ERA.

In contrast, let's look at the ten guys (of 2012 qualifying pitchers) who strike out the fewest batters per nine.  Let's see if there's a pattern:

Henderson Alvarez
Clayton Richard
Scott Diamond
Kevin Correia
Jeremy Guthrie
Tim Hudson
Rick Porcello
Jake Westbrook
Mark Buerhle
Barry Zito

Hint: The pattern is that these guys aren't very good.  The best ERA of the lot was Scott Frickin' Diamond's 3.54.
 
2013-05-07 02:20:15 PM
I don't know about you alls fancy pants statistics but I know a couple numbers. Guthrie at 25 million over 3 years is looking like a good deal now. That and paying 12 million to Santana for this year looking good. Ty LAA for giving him to us for taking on his salary.
 
2013-05-07 02:20:39 PM

DeWayne Mann: you have pee hands: Ryan Howard's $150M contract

I'm still amazed by that. I'll be on my death bed (most likely in about 3 months) and still be laughing about it. Even funnier are the people who still try to defend it.

you have pee hands: the proper valuation of saves.

I've decided I like them overvalued. Makes it a lot easier for a smart GM to put a bullpen together.

Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.


Too bad both of your qualified closers are now hurt after a very good start of the season. I didn't think Hanrahan was going to decline like that. Something about the Pirates makes better pitchers.
 
2013-05-07 02:21:26 PM

DeWayne Mann: Killer Cars: DeWayne Mann: OTOH, if anyone knows that little tidbit of information, please let me know so we can laugh about it.

I didn't, but it is right on wiki page.

That is hilariously random.

He's playing in Japan now. I wonder what the cultural equivalent there is.


As a general rule, wondering about the Japanese cultural equivalent of something should be marked NSFW.
 
2013-05-07 02:23:15 PM

SkylineRecords: DeWayne Mann: you have pee hands: Ryan Howard's $150M contract

I'm still amazed by that. I'll be on my death bed (most likely in about 3 months) and still be laughing about it. Even funnier are the people who still try to defend it.

you have pee hands: the proper valuation of saves.

I've decided I like them overvalued. Makes it a lot easier for a smart GM to put a bullpen together.

Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.

Too bad both of your qualified closers are now hurt after a very good start of the season. I didn't think Hanrahan was going to decline like that. Something about the Pirates makes better pitchers.


Hanrahan's basically the exact same guy as Mark Melancon, who, of course, was traded along with two potentially useful players for Hanrahan. Still don't understand that deal.

Of course, I don't understand why Melancon was on the team in the first place, so.
 
2013-05-07 02:23:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.


Would you like Papelbon back? It's not like the Phillies are actually using him, because our manager refuses to bring him in unless it's actually a "save situation".
 
2013-05-07 02:23:52 PM

Joe_diGriz: DeWayne Mann: Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.

Would you like Papelbon back? It's not like the Phillies are actually using him, because our manager refuses to bring him in unless it's actually a "save situation".


Not at his current contract.
 
2013-05-07 02:24:33 PM

italie: Strikeout pitchers tend to have higher ERAs. They generally to pitch very close to the ....DANGER ZONE....and rely on their fastball or a decent break to confuse the hitter.When the command it there, those type of pitchers are near unhittable. When the command is off...welcome to batting practice.The lower ERA guys are generally pitching for bad contact.


Well, looking at the qualified pitchers in MLB with an ERA <= 2.00 (there's 14 according to ESPN's definition of "qualified") -- you get 8 who average more than a K / inning pitched (Buchholz, Kershaw, Hernandez, Verlander, Anibal Sanchez, Matt Harvey, Iwakuna, Matt Moore, and Shelby Miller) so there are certainly some high strikeout guys posting a very good ERA.
 
2013-05-07 02:24:49 PM

DeWayne Mann: I'd make a Fred Lewis reference here, but no one else would get it.


Now that I've been persuaded to read Fred Lewis's Wiki page, my SF bar trivia question is: "Who is the only Giant to hit 2 grand slams in his rookie season?  You get 250 guesses."
 
2013-05-07 02:26:24 PM

DeWayne Mann: Joe_diGriz: DeWayne Mann: Too bad my team's GM is a moron and seems to think saves are the best stat ever.

Would you like Papelbon back? It's not like the Phillies are actually using him, because our manager refuses to bring him in unless it's actually a "save situation".

Not at his current contract.




I will let you have Greg Holland & Ned Yost. Shields should have been sent back out to the mound
 
2013-05-07 02:26:34 PM

This Looks Fun: meanmutton: Not an article about Armando Galarraga?  Although, he's actually not terrible this year.

Ouch. That's mean.


Honestly, the worst thing about him getting screwed out of that perfect game was that he, frankly, hasn't shown himself to be a competent major league pitcher.
 
2013-05-07 02:27:12 PM

chimp_ninja: Now that I've been persuaded to read Fred Lewis's Wiki page, my SF bar trivia question is: "Who is the only Giant to hit 2 grand slams in his rookie season? You get 250 guesses."


And make sure to have a stack of pancakes somewhere on the ready if someone gets it.
 
2013-05-07 02:29:15 PM

DeWayne Mann: studleystudstutterson: Maybe you should just avoid threads that have the terms "Gold Glove", "Jeter", "Most Valuable", "ERA", and/or "Triple Crown" in the future. For your blood pressure.

Oh man, there are so many more. Pete Rose. Ichiro. Batting Average. Steroids.


20-game winners who pitch to contact against clutch bunters.
 
2013-05-07 02:29:50 PM

DeWayne Mann: Not at his current contract.


Oh come on. You make it sound like $12.5M for a closer is a bad deal. If there's one thing that Ruben Amaro, Jr is good at, it's not giving ridiculous long-term, over-valued contracts to players who will never be able to justify the terms of those deals.
 
2013-05-07 02:33:13 PM

Joe_diGriz: Oh come on. You make it sound like $12.5M for a closer is a bad deal. If there's one thing that Ruben Amaro, Jr is good at, it's not giving ridiculous long-term, over-valued contracts to players who will never be able to justify the terms of those deals.


Hey now.  He's also really good at trading solid prospects for guys with short term properly valued contracts and then trading those same guys away later for less.
 
2013-05-07 02:35:35 PM

chimp_ninja: DeWayne Mann: I'd make a Fred Lewis reference here, but no one else would get it.

Now that I've been persuaded to read Fred Lewis's Wiki page, my SF bar trivia question is: "Who is the only Giant to hit 2 grand slams in his rookie season?  You get 250 guesses."


I'd have guessed Will Clark, but only because he homered in his first AB (with the Giants).
 
2013-05-07 02:36:20 PM

DeWayne Mann: I'm still amazed by that. I'll be on my death bed (most likely in about 3 months) and still be laughing about it. Even funnier are the people who still try to defend it.


He was going to be the oldest and 4th or 5th best first baseman on the free agent market over the next 2 years, obviously the Phillies needed to keep him.
 
2013-05-07 02:37:04 PM

DeWayne Mann: you have pee hands: Ryan Howard's $150M contract

I'm still amazed by that. I'll be on my death bed (most likely in about 3 months) and still be laughing about it. Even funnier are the people who still try to defend it.


Obviously, you have not read yesterday's Roy Halladay thread, where someone helpfully pointed out that his contract isn't so horrible, because he'll probably give them 100 RBI this year.

And then someone posted a link to Ryan Howard trying to leg out a triple last night.  The RF loses the ball in the corner, bats it around a little, then throws him out (via relay) by five feet.  Howard making the turn at second is awesome.  Even he looks shocked at the green light.

So two funnies.
 
2013-05-07 02:38:13 PM

DeWayne Mann: This thread is specially designed to kill me, isn't it?


I would just chalk this whole thing up to quirky/fun and not important. Sort of like when players hit a home run on their birthday or when the red sox win a world series.
 
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