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(The New York Times)   NY Times' metalhead readers demand precision: "An obituary on Saturday about the guitarist Jeff Hanneman, a founder of the band Slayer, misspelled the name of one of the bands with which Slayer has toured. It is Megadeth, not Megadeath"   (nytimes.com) divider line 194
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2013-05-07 10:27:57 AM
that's a pretty big oversight
 
2013-05-07 10:50:24 AM
Dude, they were a heavy metal hair band. Like they knew how to spell their name.
 
2013-05-07 10:50:30 AM
Megadeath was the closing act at the Woodshuck Festival of Peace, Love, and Death
 
2013-05-07 10:53:24 AM

moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight


Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.
 
2013-05-07 11:10:34 AM
Megadeath would be a great name for a Megadeth tribute band.
 
2013-05-07 11:15:22 AM
Nabb1:  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.

Megadeaf.
 
2013-05-07 11:16:28 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-07 11:16:43 AM
Megaderp.
 
2013-05-07 11:17:40 AM
Somebody call a cop, I am being persecuted for obscurity and lack of relevance.
 
2013-05-07 11:18:30 AM
The spider bite. The Dr's catch all phrase for "we don't have a farking clue what you have".
 
2013-05-07 11:18:47 AM

Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.



so 4 bands = triple bill?
 
2013-05-07 11:20:50 AM
"Since we did 'Angel of Death,' I've had three occasions where someone will go 'Psst, hey. I'm part of this Aryan World Nation group and we're thinking of having you speak,' " Mr. Hanneman was quoted in "Louder Than Hell: The Definitive Oral History of Metal" (2013), by Jon Wiederhorn and Katherine Turman. "I'm like, 'Why?' And they'll go, 'You know.' I'll be like, 'No, why?' And they'll go, 'Aren't you ...?' I'm like, 'What? No. Go away. You don't get me at all.' "

I never got this.  How can people not clue in that they were just glorifying violence for shock value, not endorsing Nazi politics?
Man, before I listened to Rust in Peace I had no idea how big a fan Dave Mustaine was of nuclear proliferation.
Metallica must really love that Sandman guy.
 
2013-05-07 11:23:11 AM

snocone: Somebody call a cop, I am being persecuted for obscurity and lack of relevance.


50,000,000 records sold with 6 consecutive albums going at least platinum = "obscurity"
 
2013-05-07 11:23:21 AM
At least they spelled Hanneman's name properly. The National Post front page had his name as "Hannerman". If you are going to do a story about someone, especially the last story about them, get their farking name right.
 
2013-05-07 11:23:34 AM

Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 350x550]


That might be the awesomest retraction ever.
 
2013-05-07 11:24:42 AM

bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?


Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer shared top billing equally.  They listed Alice in Chains as a "special guest."  Alice in Chains played for just over half an hour, everyone else played at least an hour.
 
2013-05-07 11:26:14 AM
I am sorry but Hanneman was not special in any way, shape or form. To his family yeah, but even to metalheads, he was just a serviceable guy with marginal talent.
 
2013-05-07 11:26:54 AM
Deathclock
 
2013-05-07 11:27:06 AM

serial_crusher: "Since we did 'Angel of Death,' I've had three occasions where someone will go 'Psst, hey. I'm part of this Aryan World Nation group and we're thinking of having you speak,' " Mr. Hanneman was quoted in "Louder Than Hell: The Definitive Oral History of Metal" (2013), by Jon Wiederhorn and Katherine Turman. "I'm like, 'Why?' And they'll go, 'You know.' I'll be like, 'No, why?' And they'll go, 'Aren't you ...?' I'm like, 'What? No. Go away. You don't get me at all.' "

I never got this.  How can people not clue in that they were just glorifying violence for shock value, not endorsing Nazi politics?
Man, before I listened to Rust in Peace I had no idea how big a fan Dave Mustaine was of nuclear proliferation.
Metallica must really love that Sandman guy.


There is no indication that they were neo-nazis or nazi sympathizers but...

media.classicrockmagazine.com

They certainly didn't run from the imagery
 
2013-05-07 11:27:41 AM

Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 350x550]


RIP RA
 
2013-05-07 11:29:05 AM
NY Times shall feel the wrath of Dave's forked tongue for this...
 
2013-05-07 11:31:13 AM
Isn't a megadeth a measurement for the destructive power of bombs?

Also Jeff looks like Niel Young in the article pic.

Also also...

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I am sorry but Hanneman was not special in any way, shape or form. To his family yeah, but even to metalheads, he was just a serviceable guy with marginal talent.


Shaddupa'yaface.
 
2013-05-07 11:32:55 AM

Nabb1: bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?

Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer shared top billing equally.  They listed Alice in Chains as a "special guest."  Alice in Chains played for just over half an hour, everyone else played at least an hour.



I saw that same tour (1991 Clash of the Titans).  Funny to think now that Alice In Chains were the no-name loser opening act (Man in the Box had just come out).  They were playing while everyone was still out in the parking lot tailgating.  I saw one guy in the entireamphitheater cheering...everyone else was booing and telling them to get off the stage so the show could start.
 
2013-05-07 11:34:31 AM
I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy
 
2013-05-07 11:36:35 AM
I bet the NYT is glad Slayer didn't tour with Deaf Leopard.
 
2013-05-07 11:40:01 AM
In honor of Jeff Hanneman I am starting a Slayer cover band called "Thlayer". All Slayer covers sung with a lisp.

Chaoth rampant
An age of dithrustht
Confrontation
Impulthive Thabbath
On and on Thouth of Heaven
 
2013-05-07 11:40:10 AM

ChewbaccaJones: I saw that same tour (1991 Clash of the Titans).  Funny to think now that Alice In Chains were the no-name loser opening act (Man in the Box had just come out).  They were playing while everyone was still out in the parking lot tailgating.  I saw one guy in the entireamphitheater cheering...everyone else was booing and telling them to get off the stage so the show could start.


They were denying their maker, engaging in censorship.

/'bout all I got, and stretching it.
 
2013-05-07 11:41:01 AM
I made that mistake once.  Once.
 
2013-05-07 11:43:36 AM
Since "megadeath" is actually a word, and the article-writin' guy might not have been familiar with the band, I'm inclined to chalk this up to spell-check and autocorrect.
 
2013-05-07 11:44:59 AM

ChewbaccaJones: Funny to think now that Alice In Chains were the no-name loser opening act (Man in the Box had just come out).


But its sad to think that was AIC's only real tour (outside of a Lollapalooza) they did, since Layne was already too smacked up to perform with consistency.  They lost their one chance to really captizalize on their success & I would have loved to see them (I had to miss the Titans show).

Go to YT & watch WE DIE YOUNG video to see a relatively health(y/ier) Layne that was never seen again come the DIRT era
 
2013-05-07 11:45:20 AM

ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy


it varies from album to album. Reign in Blood was very raw but also gave birth to one of the greatest metal riffs of all time in Raining Blood. So good, in fact, that they just slowed it down and made it the riff for South of Heaven as well.

SoH and Seasons in the Abyss are a lot more accessible I think. If you haven't tried either of those, I highly recommend them.
Build up the Slayer tolerance and then try the earlier stuff and the heavier later stuff. Just avoid Divine Intervention cuz that album sucks
 
2013-05-07 11:45:47 AM

Nabb1: bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?

Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer shared top billing equally.  They listed Alice in Chains as a "special guest."  Alice in Chains played for just over half an hour, everyone else played at least an hour.


I went to that tour and another tour that same year called "New Titans on the Block" which featured Sepultura, Napalm Death, Sacred Reich and Sick of it All.  1991 was a good year to have your ears bleed out.
 
2013-05-07 11:45:54 AM
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-05-07 11:46:02 AM

ChewbaccaJones: Nabb1: bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?

Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer shared top billing equally.  They listed Alice in Chains as a "special guest."  Alice in Chains played for just over half an hour, everyone else played at least an hour.


I saw that same tour (1991 Clash of the Titans).  Funny to think now that Alice In Chains were the no-name loser opening act (Man in the Box had just come out).  They were playing while everyone was still out in the parking lot tailgating.  I saw one guy in the entireamphitheater cheering...everyone else was booing and telling them to get off the stage so the show could start.


They played a pretty good set when I saw them, but Layne Staley looked like hell and spent most of the set crouched on the drum riser with his back to the crowd.  At the time, I obviously didn't know that much about his drug problem, but my friends and I were openly wondering if the guy was going to make it through the set without OD'ing.
 
2013-05-07 11:47:36 AM

LargeCanine: Nabb1:  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.

Megadeaf.


that's what they're called in England
 
2013-05-07 11:48:17 AM

Witty_Retort: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 465x382]


GOD HATES US ALL!
NO, JUST THE GAYS!

back and forth, over and over
 
2013-05-07 11:49:11 AM
I'm rather surprised at the attention this is getting. I even overheard a couple of the 50-something year olds in my office going, "DId you hear the guitarist from Slayer died?" I remember when Layne Staley died there was barely a peep, and he was the frontman of a band that was probably as popular if not more so overall.
 
2013-05-07 11:50:32 AM
Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.
 
2013-05-07 11:51:59 AM

rocinante721: ChewbaccaJones: Funny to think now that Alice In Chains were the no-name loser opening act (Man in the Box had just come out).

But its sad to think that was AIC's only real tour (outside of a Lollapalooza) they did, since Layne was already too smacked up to perform with consistency.  They lost their one chance to really captizalize on their success & I would have loved to see them (I had to miss the Titans show).

Go to YT & watch WE DIE YOUNG video to see a relatively health(y/ier) Layne that was never seen again come the DIRT era


I saw them open for Van Hagar in 91 as well
 
2013-05-07 11:52:09 AM

fireclown: Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 350x550]

That might be the awesomest retraction ever.


His walk up song was the game of thrones theme
 
2013-05-07 11:52:18 AM

bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?


Opener, dude. Alice in Chains (seriously,  Nabb1? Alice and Chains?) is a great band, but it's not really up to standing along three of the big four of thrash metal.
 
2013-05-07 11:53:05 AM
Megadeath...I think they drew some inspiration from Lynard Skynard.

/nott really
//well maybee
///missppelling is funn
 
2013-05-07 11:53:06 AM

Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.

got clean and sober.

FTFY
 
2013-05-07 11:53:08 AM
Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles
 
2013-05-07 11:53:45 AM

genepool lifeboat: Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent. got clean and sober.

FTFY


He got clean, sober, and farking right-wing fundie crazy.
 
2013-05-07 11:55:05 AM

Bloody William: bungle_jr: Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


so 4 bands = triple bill?

Opener, dude. Alice in Chains (seriously,  Nabb1? Alice and Chains?) is a great band, but it's not really up to standing along three of the big four of thrash metal.


Dammit.  Didn't catch that.  Of course I know it's Alice in Chains.  I was typing that in my iPad while not paying too much attention.
 
kab
2013-05-07 11:55:22 AM

snocone: Somebody call a cop, I am being persecuted for obscurity and lack of relevance.


You should be persecuted for using either term when discussing music.
 
2013-05-07 11:56:01 AM

browntimmy: I'm rather surprised at the attention this is getting. I even overheard a couple of the 50-something year olds in my office going, "DId you hear the guitarist from Slayer died?" I remember when Layne Staley died there was barely a peep, and he was the frontman of a band that was probably as popular if not more so overall.


Alice in Chains had faded a ton by the time Staley died. Plus Slayer has been far more influential than AiC was. Not to mention far more awesomer
 
2013-05-07 11:56:46 AM

Nabb1: Dammit.  Didn't catch that.  Of course I know it's Alice in Chains.  I was typing that in my iPad while not paying too much attention.


In this thread, it just seemed appropriate to give you shiat. Now I'm gonna go listen to some Deiside.
 
2013-05-07 11:57:07 AM

Chainsaw Turd Elf: In honor of Jeff Hanneman I am starting a Slayer cover band called "Thlayer". All Slayer covers sung with a lisp.

Chaoth rampant
An age of dithrustht
Confrontation
Impulthive Thabbath
On and on Thouth of Heaven


that there ith funny!
 
2013-05-07 11:57:38 AM
 
2013-05-07 11:57:39 AM

big pig peaches: The spider bite. The Dr's catch all phrase for "we don't have a farking clue what you have".


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-07 11:58:19 AM

ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy


I think that vocal style worked to perfection in Kill Again, but on Divine Intervention it's too shouty for me, though that's probably the only Slayer song I don't like, and the only thing I don't like about it is the vocals. South of Heaven has probably the least angry-word-saying vocal style.
 
2013-05-07 11:59:04 AM

Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles


It's funny that you haven't heard how great arcade fire is
 
kab
2013-05-07 12:01:44 PM

Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles


I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.
 
2013-05-07 12:01:51 PM
Also:

rathergood.com
 
2013-05-07 12:02:24 PM
Man, they must've been pulling out their wiry pube-beards in rage...
 
2013-05-07 12:03:27 PM

skullkrusher: ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy

it varies from album to album. Reign in Blood was very raw but also gave birth to one of the greatest metal riffs of all time in Raining Blood. So good, in fact, that they just slowed it down and made it the riff for South of Heaven as well.

SoH and Seasons in the Abyss are a lot more accessible I think. If you haven't tried either of those, I highly recommend them.
Build up the Slayer tolerance and then try the earlier stuff and the heavier later stuff. Just avoid Divine Intervention cuz that album sucks


I wouldn't rank it even in their top five, but I certainly wouldn't say it sucks.  Definitely check out the others first.  World Painted Blood is really awesome and I'd say probably top three for me right now.
 
2013-05-07 12:03:37 PM
Funny thing about that: there once was a band named Megadeath. They sued Megadeth over the name--they got there first, and had the rejection letters to prove it!

Megadeth paid them to go away. So no Megadeath v. Megadeth trial saga.
 
2013-05-07 12:04:04 PM

skullkrusher: browntimmy: I'm rather surprised at the attention this is getting. I even overheard a couple of the 50-something year olds in my office going, "DId you hear the guitarist from Slayer died?" I remember when Layne Staley died there was barely a peep, and he was the frontman of a band that was probably as popular if not more so overall.

Alice in Chains had faded a ton by the time Staley died. Plus Slayer has been far more influential than AiC was. Not to mention far more awesomer


i LOVE aic. i am NOT a fan of slayer. however, EVERY hard rock and metal act for the last 25 years apparently cites slayer as an influence. aic has been influential, but not to anything near that extent.
 
2013-05-07 12:04:31 PM

kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.


Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace
 
2013-05-07 12:05:22 PM
RIP Legendary Strummer!
 
2013-05-07 12:05:44 PM
Slayer has some good songs and so does Megadeth.
I listen to them, but they certainly aren't the best bands out there. They are average.
 
2013-05-07 12:06:06 PM

thecpt: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

It's funny that you haven't heard how great arcade fire is


kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.


woosh
/joke
//over heads
///so on and so forth
 
2013-05-07 12:06:31 PM

Carn: skullkrusher: ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy

it varies from album to album. Reign in Blood was very raw but also gave birth to one of the greatest metal riffs of all time in Raining Blood. So good, in fact, that they just slowed it down and made it the riff for South of Heaven as well.

SoH and Seasons in the Abyss are a lot more accessible I think. If you haven't tried either of those, I highly recommend them.
Build up the Slayer tolerance and then try the earlier stuff and the heavier later stuff. Just avoid Divine Intervention cuz that album sucks

I wouldn't rank it even in their top five, but I certainly wouldn't say it sucks.  Definitely check out the others first.  World Painted Blood is really awesome and I'd say probably top three for me right now.


I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)
 
2013-05-07 12:09:48 PM

skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace


Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.
 
2013-05-07 12:10:36 PM

bungle_jr: thecpt: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

It's funny that you haven't heard how great arcade fire is

kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

woosh
/joke
//over heads
///so on and so forth


Aahh poo. Moar spelling errors.
 
2013-05-07 12:11:34 PM
i hope the westboro baptist church pickets hanneman's funeral soooooooooo much.

it be just beautiful to see metalheads stomping on them... it's what everyone wants but is too scared to do... the world would love us forever :)
 
2013-05-07 12:12:39 PM

HighZoolander: ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy

I think that vocal style worked to perfection in Kill Again, but on Divine Intervention it's too shouty for me, though that's probably the only Slayer song I don't like, and the only thing I don't like about it is the vocals. South of Heaven has probably the least angry-word-saying vocal style.


Hell, you can actually whistle along to Playing With Dolls
 
2013-05-07 12:14:24 PM
skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)


So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.
 
2013-05-07 12:14:47 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy

it varies from album to album. Reign in Blood was very raw but also gave birth to one of the greatest metal riffs of all time in Raining Blood. So good, in fact, that they just slowed it down and made it the riff for South of Heaven as well.

SoH and Seasons in the Abyss are a lot more accessible I think. If you haven't tried either of those, I highly recommend them.
Build up the Slayer tolerance and then try the earlier stuff and the heavier later stuff. Just avoid Divine Intervention cuz that album sucks

I wouldn't rank it even in their top five, but I certainly wouldn't say it sucks.  Definitely check out the others first.  World Painted Blood is really awesome and I'd say probably top three for me right now.

I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)


Ok, I agree with everything you just said so \m/.  If Divine Intervention is Slayer's worst, they are light years ahead of most bands.  Kataklysm, your next album better not suck.   This was the first song of theirs I heard.  Skip to 1:00 for thrashy mega goodness.
 
2013-05-07 12:15:29 PM

Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.


hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety
 
2013-05-07 12:15:31 PM

Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles


Who the hell are the Beetles?
 
2013-05-07 12:16:31 PM

rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.


I am pretty sure their whole catalog is on Spotify. Get off that Pandora crap
 
2013-05-07 12:17:29 PM

rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.


The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.
 
2013-05-07 12:18:04 PM

4NTLRZ: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

Who the hell are the Beetles?


bungle_jr: thecpt: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

It's funny that you haven't heard how great arcade fire is

kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

woosh
/joke
//over heads
///so on and so forth

 
2013-05-07 12:19:18 PM

12349876: rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.

The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.


i use rhapsody and love it. it's compatible with my sansa, so that helps a lot
 
2013-05-07 12:19:21 PM

kab: And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me. Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.


And you just proved you know jack about music, let alone the band you're trying to cut down.

Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.

No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:06 PM

skullkrusher: browntimmy: I'm rather surprised at the attention this is getting. I even overheard a couple of the 50-something year olds in my office going, "DId you hear the guitarist from Slayer died?" I remember when Layne Staley died there was barely a peep, and he was the frontman of a band that was probably as popular if not more so overall.

Alice in Chains had faded a ton by the time Staley died. Plus Slayer has been far more influential than AiC was. Not to mention far more awesomer


I don't think I've ever heard Slayer played on the radio in my city (St. Louis), while Alice In Chains still gets played daily on both the alternative station and the classic/modern rock station.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:12 PM

khyberkitsune: kab: And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me. Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

And you just proved you know jack about music, let alone the band you're trying to cut down.

Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.

No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.


that, and dave is a great guitarist. i don't know about others being able to "play circles around him"...dude can hold his own. there's a reason he was the guitarist for metallica. it's a shame they couldn't keep it together and keep him in the band. kirk is really good but i prefer dave's playing.
 
2013-05-07 12:23:49 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety


Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years.  Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so.  Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo.  Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then.  I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton.  I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.
 
2013-05-07 12:27:11 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety


Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit
 
2013-05-07 12:27:54 PM

bungle_jr: 12349876: rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.

The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.

i use rhapsody and love it. it's compatible with my sansa, so that helps a lot


cdn.24.co.za

I'd be compatible with her too

/in a year
 
2013-05-07 12:28:47 PM

HighZoolander: skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety

Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit


dammit, forgot them too. Feel the Fire is STILL one of my favorite albums of all time.. FFS, my farking screen name is from an Overkill song :)
 
2013-05-07 12:29:35 PM
I also want to add that if you missed that Megadeath-Beetles joke upthread please get off the internet, you're making it worse.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:46 PM

skullkrusher: bungle_jr: 12349876: rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.

The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.

i use rhapsody and love it. it's compatible with my sansa, so that helps a lot

[cdn.24.co.za image 626x416]

I'd be compatible with her too

/in a year


i do not know who she is...but by your "in a year" comment i'm assuming she's 17? doesn't look it, if so.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:52 PM

Carn: Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years. Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so. Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo. Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then. I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton. I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.


objectively, you're probably right but I grew up on MoP, RtL and KEA so they hold a sentimental spot
 
2013-05-07 12:30:36 PM

bungle_jr: skullkrusher: bungle_jr: 12349876: rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.

The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.

i use rhapsody and love it. it's compatible with my sansa, so that helps a lot

[cdn.24.co.za image 626x416]

I'd be compatible with her too

/in a year

i do not know who she is...but by your "in a year" comment i'm assuming she's 17? doesn't look it, if so.


hehe she plays Sansa Stark on Game of Thrones. Yeah, she's 17 but I swear she told me she was 21
 
2013-05-07 12:31:41 PM

skullkrusher: bungle_jr: skullkrusher: bungle_jr: 12349876: rcuhljr: skullkrusher:
I've tried over and over again to like DI. It's just never worked out for me. The songs don't seem to have any structure to them and it just gives me a big meh. Worst Slayer album, imo. WPB is great. As is God Hates Us All.
Few metal bands have put out pretty consistently good albums over the span of 30 years. Even Maiden has put out some clunkers. I'll give Slayer a pass on their one misstep (again, imo)

So I enjoy slayer quite a bit, however outside of the three albums I actually own everything I hear from them I find via Pandora, so I recognize song titles but not really albums. I had to pull up the song list because invariably I must have heard and thumbed up things songs. Look over the list, nada, nothing rings a bell. It's like pandora doesn't even cross suggest songs from that album. Listened to the title track and was unimpressed, I'm just going to go back to pretending this album doesn't exist.

The solution here is ditch Pandora and use a streaming service that lets you listen to full albums.

i use rhapsody and love it. it's compatible with my sansa, so that helps a lot

[cdn.24.co.za image 626x416]

I'd be compatible with her too

/in a year

i do not know who she is...but by your "in a year" comment i'm assuming she's 17? doesn't look it, if so.

hehe she plays Sansa Stark on Game of Thrones. Yeah, she's 17 but I swear she told me she was 21


somehow i figured she was on g.o.t.
i've never watched that show
 
2013-05-07 12:33:29 PM

big pig peaches: The spider bite. The Dr's catch all phrase for "we don't have a farking clue what you have".


More like a musician's catch-all to take the blame off a lifetime of intravenous drug and alcohol abuse that lead to liver issues that increase the risk of necrotizing fasciitis.
 
2013-05-07 12:40:24 PM

khyberkitsune: Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.


Uh... no he didn't. He did a LOT of solo work but Dave did a good percentage himself. It was also humorous hearing Marty's hyper technical/slippery/high velocity licks followed by Dave's comparatively ham fisted blues/rock based solos. Dave is a good player but his strengths in the old days was his aggressive rhythms. Marty destroyed him and Dave even admitted that the first time Marty showed up he felt like a beginner again. But he busted his own balls, learned what he could from Marty and got a lot better. His soloing got a lot smoother after Rust in Peace.

/learned how to play guitar by jamming out to Megadeth/Metallica
//Friedman is inhuman
 
2013-05-07 12:44:57 PM
khyberkitsune:
And you just proved you know jack about music, let alone the band you're trying to cut down.

Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.

No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.


I get your point, but Marty was not the original guitarist. Chris Poland (and a couple others briefly) would like to have a word with you. They had been around for about 8 years and multiple albums before Marty joined up.
 
2013-05-07 12:54:58 PM

Monster Island: I get your point, but Marty was not the original guitarist. Chris Poland (and a couple others briefly) would like to have a word with you. They had been around for about 8 years and multiple albums before Marty joined up.


Yeah, it's why Rust in Peace is ridiculously more technical than their previous work. Also Dave had just gotten sober and hadn't quite found Jebus yet. RiP is one of my favorite albums of all time... but I'm a guitar nerd. Most folks like the earlier stuff. Countdown on isn't really Megadeth anymore. Some good tunes but it just isn't the same.
 
2013-05-07 12:58:15 PM

HighZoolander: skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety

Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit


Oooh definitely.   New Overkill is great too.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:23 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years. Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so. Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo. Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then. I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton. I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.

objectively, you're probably right but I grew up on MoP, RtL and KEA so they hold a sentimental spot


I understand and for me too.  Maybe I just can't get over Load and Reload.
 
2013-05-07 01:06:37 PM

Carn: skullkrusher: Carn: Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years. Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so. Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo. Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then. I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton. I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.

objectively, you're probably right but I grew up on MoP, RtL and KEA so they hold a sentimental spot

I understand and for me too.  Maybe I just can't get over Load and Reload.


I hear ya dude. When Death Magnetic came out I was pretty excited because I heard a lot of talk about going back to their roots and all that. While it is certainly better than Load and Reload it just ain't the same. Heh, when I heard Load for the first time, I literally almost cried. Not sure if that's the least or most metal reaction ever but that's what happened.

I still have a perfect memory of the first time I heard Creeping Death live with the whole arena chanting "Die!" and James turning the microphone to the audience to sing the chorus to Seek and Destroy. Chills. Funny how some stuff sticks with you.
 
2013-05-07 01:12:12 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: Carn: Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years. Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so. Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo. Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then. I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton. I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.

objectively, you're probably right but I grew up on MoP, RtL and KEA so they hold a sentimental spot

I understand and for me too.  Maybe I just can't get over Load and Reload.

I hear ya dude. When Death Magnetic came out I was pretty excited because I heard a lot of talk about going back to their roots and all that. While it is certainly better than Load and Reload it just ain't the same. Heh, when I heard Load for the first time, I literally almost cried. Not sure if that's the least or most metal reaction ever but that's what happened.

I still have a perfect memory of the first time I heard Creeping Death live with the whole arena chanting "Die!" and James turning the microphone to the audience to sing the chorus to Seek and Destroy. Chills. Funny how some stuff sticks with you.


Well I've seen them twice in the last few years, most recently when they toured with The Sword and Machinehead.  The only complaint with the last show was not enough from Ride the Lightning.  I think we got For Whom the Bell Tolls but that's it.  It was mostly early stuff and several from Death Magnetic which is a pretty decent album on the whole.  I listened to it a lot when it came out and I was just thankful to have a new not sucky Metallica album to listen to after all the major disappointments.  Who knows, maybe the next one will be good in 2015 or whenever.  Lars is such a douche canoe.
 
2013-05-07 01:13:18 PM

Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.


This!
( Dave, if you're listening, reality is calling, please come back)
 
2013-05-07 01:15:37 PM

Carn: skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: Carn: Personally I'd knock Metallica down to four or maybe even lower due to their absolute lack of production in the last 20+ years. Death Magnetic was the sixth studio album, and while good, doesn't hold a candle to the music Exodus has put out in the last 9 years or so. Everything else Metallica has put out in the interim including St Anger is utter shiat imo. Yeah, first five were amazing, but all the other bands we're talking about have put out really good music since then. I agree with Lars and James and I'll add in loss of Cliff Burton. I don't think they ever could replace what he brought to the band musically.

objectively, you're probably right but I grew up on MoP, RtL and KEA so they hold a sentimental spot

I understand and for me too.  Maybe I just can't get over Load and Reload.

I hear ya dude. When Death Magnetic came out I was pretty excited because I heard a lot of talk about going back to their roots and all that. While it is certainly better than Load and Reload it just ain't the same. Heh, when I heard Load for the first time, I literally almost cried. Not sure if that's the least or most metal reaction ever but that's what happened.

I still have a perfect memory of the first time I heard Creeping Death live with the whole arena chanting "Die!" and James turning the microphone to the audience to sing the chorus to Seek and Destroy. Chills. Funny how some stuff sticks with you.

Well I've seen them twice in the last few years, most recently when they toured with The Sword and Machinehead.  The only complaint with the last show was not enough from Ride the Lightning.  I think we got For Whom the Bell Tolls but that's it.  It was mostly early stuff and several from Death Magnetic which is a pretty decent album on the whole.  I listened to it a lot when it came out and I was just thankful to have a new not sucky Metallica album to listen to after all the major disappointments.  Who knows, maybe the next one will b ...


We can only hope. The Sword and Machinehead are pretty darn good. I don't know a ton of their stuff but what I've heard, not bad at all
 
2013-05-07 01:15:40 PM
Saw Megadeth on the Youthanasia tour with Flotasm and Jetsam, Korn and Fear Factory as the openers.  $20 to join the fan club and get to go backstage, where we were explicitly told we'd be booted if we asked any questions about Metallica.

/CSB
//Haven't listened to anything new without Menza
///Off my lawn
 
2013-05-07 01:15:59 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety


If you're going to put Exodus and Testament in that list, you gotta put Overkill as well.  Lots of good metal/thrash in the 80's.
 
2013-05-07 01:16:49 PM

Klom Dark: Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.

This!
( Dave, if you're listening, reality is calling, please come back)


Dave is probably more of a lost cause than Nuge. I don't think Nuge is particularly religious but Dave is Born Again now. You usually don't come back from Born Again. Not that I expect Nuge to change his stripes but he's mostly just political.
 
2013-05-07 01:16:51 PM

Carn: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

Oooh definitely. New Overkill is great too.


I knew I shoulda refreshed.
 
2013-05-07 01:17:52 PM

genepool lifeboat: skullkrusher: Carn: skullkrusher: kab: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

I can't argue this.    I don't see what the appeal is with this band... while they're not quite the blatant sellouts that Metallica became, they seem to be adored by folks for writing pretty... average metal material, with the very occasional 'really good' song here and there.

And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me.   Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

I will give him (and everyone else that pulls it off) credit for playing and singing.  That shiat isn't easy.

Megadeth is definitely my least favorite of the Big Five (I include Testament, dammit) but they wrote some pretty kickass stuff back in the day. It's just been almost entirely crap since Rust in Peace

Big 6!  Why does Exodus get no love?  yes I like the remake better than the original.  New Testament is awesome too, rifftastic as shiat.

hehe ok, I'll let Exodus in as well.

Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Anthrax, Megadeth in that order

Metallica should be #1 but well... ya know

/I blame Lars as a person and James' sobriety

If you're going to put Exodus and Testament in that list, you gotta put Overkill as well.  Lots of good metal/thrash in the 80's.


yep, I've already acknowledged my sins of omission

/a lil Testament pun there
 
2013-05-07 01:22:19 PM

skullkrusher: yep, I've already acknowledged my sins of omission

/a lil Testament pun there


Nice.  I think we've established that our music tastes are about the same anyway so you get a pass on that.
 
2013-05-07 01:24:04 PM

skullkrusher: We can only hope. The Sword and Machinehead are pretty darn good. I don't know a ton of their stuff but what I've heard, not bad at all


Definitely showing good taste on Metallica's part anyway!  I love The Sword!  We've seen them several times but they actually played the small room at the Black Cat in DC before anyone knew about them and after that the Rock and Roll hotel.  Both shows were like 12 bucks.  Too awesome.
 
2013-05-07 01:27:26 PM

genepool lifeboat: If you're going to put Exodus and Testament in that list, you gotta put Overkill as well.  Lots of good metal/thrash in the 80's.


If you could only see what you wanted us to see...
If you could only be what you wanted us to be...

Possibly my favorite Overkill song

This is my favorite thread.  \m/
 
kab
2013-05-07 01:28:41 PM

HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit


This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.
 
2013-05-07 01:31:21 PM
To make matters even worse, Kerry King, the surviving guitarist, played with Megadeth for a little while.  He and Mustain do not get along anymore.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:34 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I'm a huge heavy metal fan and have been since I was a kid but I could just never get into Slayer. The riffs were awesome, but god how I hate the vocals. It's just like they say words in an angry fashion, it just never did it for me.

/I know I'm that guy


I agree 100%. Music was kick ass but vocals sucked. I feel the same way about early anthrax too. Vocals didn't fit the awesomeness of the music.
 
2013-05-07 01:32:44 PM

kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.


me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.
 
kab
2013-05-07 01:34:08 PM

khyberkitsune: No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.


You don't think that Broderick is in the same ballpark as Friedman?  Without this turning into some 'best' contest, that guy can play.
 
2013-05-07 01:40:54 PM

HighZoolander: kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.

me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.


Have you heard anything from Tempo of the Damned?  Whole album rules but Blacklist is uber.  From there hit the rest of the newer ones in order.  Dethamphetamine, Atrocity Exhibition.  Part A was way better imo but B still worth the listen especially Downfall.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:47 PM

Carn: genepool lifeboat: If you're going to put Exodus and Testament in that list, you gotta put Overkill as well.  Lots of good metal/thrash in the 80's.

If you could only see what you wanted us to see...
If you could only be what you wanted us to be...

Possibly my favorite Overkill song

This is my favorite thread.  \m/


"Riding the wind on a stormy night
Rides a mother's son to take your life.
They say he died ten years ago
But the list of victims seems to grow.
Like father like son the Bible read
Three sixes brand the top of his head
Never heard, seen then too late,
Overkill, seals your fate!!!  "

I could listen to the first verse of "Overkill" by Overkill on repeat for about 6 weeks straight I think
 
2013-05-07 01:44:21 PM

Carn: HighZoolander: kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.

me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.

Have you heard anything from Tempo of the Damned?  Whole album rules but Blacklist is uber.  From there hit the rest of the newer ones in order.  Dethamphetamine, Atrocity Exhibition.  Part A was way better imo but B still worth the listen especially Downfall.


Yep. It wasn't bad, but not close to the best albums from the 80s.
 
2013-05-07 01:45:02 PM
Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit


They don't.  Have you heard "The Cursed"?  Awesome band, Bobby on vocals, down n dirty grimy guttertrash groovy shiat.  Really good.
 
2013-05-07 01:48:19 PM

HighZoolander: kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.

me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.


My  old band opened for Overkill at City Gardens in Trenton during the era after their original guitar player left.
The stage is so small that our drummer was WAY over on the left, and I had to play in front of their drum kit with barely any room to move.

But holy shiat did that show kick ass!!  It was totally packed!  At the time, it was the biggest show we ever played.
 
2013-05-07 01:48:38 PM

Carn: HighZoolander: kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.

me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.

Have you heard anything from Tempo of the Damned?  Whole album rules but Blacklist is uber.  From there hit the rest of the newer ones in order.   Dethamphetamine Shovel Headed Kill Machine, Atrocity Exhibition.  Part A was way better imo but B still worth the listen especially Downfall.


FTFM
 
2013-05-07 01:50:06 PM

HighZoolander: kab: HighZoolander: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

This.   I'd actually put them on the "big random number" list ahead of Exodus.

me too. Aside from Bonded by Blood, nothing Exodus has done has really grabbed me.


Pleasures of the Flesh was a lot of fun, if nothing else it gave us this:

Life's kind of getting out of control, i think, i don't know if you agree, would you hand me that ash tray? Ya know, so, what it is, is, i know you have heard the word a thousand times, its a rat race, i went through the contortions i have alcoholic seizures, wind up in the hospital and everything else, you know i'm sick, and i'm shaking like a leaf, and it was like silly putty and they threw him in the car and they beat him, and they threw him in the patty wagon and beat him to death, i hit one of those and i knocked the front wheel into outer space, and i kind of got angry myself and i said "i got a lot of guns," i like salad, i just ate a nice salad, a baked potato, some cream cheese, chives, ya know i just like to eat a salad when you have something in mind
 
2013-05-07 01:50:41 PM

23FPB23: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

They don't.  Have you heard "The Cursed"?  Awesome band, Bobby on vocals, down n dirty grimy guttertrash groovy shiat.  Really good.


Huh. I haven't, but I will check it out.
 
2013-05-07 01:54:10 PM

HighZoolander: Overkill


www.rockcellarmagazine.com
Overkill?
 
2013-05-07 01:54:36 PM

durbnpoisn: To make matters even worse, Kerry King, the surviving guitarist, played with Megadeth for a little while.  He and Mustain do not get along anymore.


I don't think I'd want to see Dave in Slayer if that's what you're getting at. His style just doesn't fit... neither does his personality. The exodus guys sounds like a decent choice but I think they should snag a young unknown. There are a LOT of Slayerheads out there who could play their sh*t a lot more accurately than the known old timers. Slayer stuff takes a special style of crazy to get right and most established metal players hone their styles to be more melodic. Slayer riffs/licks are chaotic. They'd have more luck with a punk/hardcore kid.
 
2013-05-07 01:54:45 PM

HighZoolander: 23FPB23: Don't forget Overkill.

/that band has never gotten enough credit

They don't.  Have you heard "The Cursed"?  Awesome band, Bobby on vocals, down n dirty grimy guttertrash groovy shiat.  Really good.

Huh. I haven't, but I will check it out.


Yeah here's a youtuber....not to be confused with "Cursed" a different band
 
2013-05-07 01:57:50 PM

here to help: Isn't a megadeth a measurement for the destructive power of bombs?


It isn't that easy to kill a million people... but, yes, the term exists.
(Only 1.5 million people live in Manhattan -- don't know how many work there -- and it is over 8 miles long. It's not easy to totally destroy 8 miles. It requires on the order of a 20Mt optimal airburst.)
 
2013-05-07 01:59:26 PM

here to help: They'd have more luck with a punk/hardcore kid.


I'll totally agree with this statement.  I wish I can remember who said this, but someone big in the punk/hc scene back in the early nineties once stated that "Slayer is the greatest punk band that ever was."
 
2013-05-07 02:01:30 PM
For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.
 
2013-05-07 02:02:59 PM
Oh damnit how did I go this far without mentioning two newer awesome thrash bands.   Havok is farking amazing new old school thrash.  Both albums rule.   Warbringer is another.  Seen them live a couple times and they are great.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:42 PM

jbtilley: For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.


check my profile - I stand by all of those. your tastes may vary etc.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:53 PM

genepool lifeboat: I'll totally agree with this statement. I wish I can remember who said this, but someone big in the punk/hc scene back in the early nineties once stated that "Slayer is the greatest punk band that ever was."


Them and Motorhead. Both bands have always had a huge punk following even back in the 80's when skids and punks very much disliked each other.

Punks also loved Johnny Cash... but then again everybody loved JC.
 
2013-05-07 02:07:45 PM

jbtilley: I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus


Have you checked out Nevermore?  (They existed from 1992 to 2011) Very good metal, and no vomit-rock singer either.
 
2013-05-07 02:09:20 PM

WelldeadLink: here to help: Isn't a megadeth a measurement for the destructive power of bombs?

It isn't that easy to kill a million people... but, yes, the term exists.
(Only 1.5 million people live in Manhattan -- don't know how many work there -- and it is over 8 miles long. It's not easy to totally destroy 8 miles. It requires on the order of a 20Mt optimal airburst.)


I was actually mistaken on the spelling though. The measurement is spelled with "death" not "deth" so the article writer was probably just following his spell checker.

Link

I like how the alternate name is Megacorpse. Now THAT would be a good cover band name... but I'm gonna title a song with it. lol
 
2013-05-07 02:11:05 PM

here to help: durbnpoisn: To make matters even worse, Kerry King, the surviving guitarist, played with Megadeth for a little while.  He and Mustain do not get along anymore.

I don't think I'd want to see Dave in Slayer if that's what you're getting at. His style just doesn't fit... neither does his personality. The exodus guys sounds like a decent choice but I think they should snag a young unknown. There are a LOT of Slayerheads out there who could play their sh*t a lot more accurately than the known old timers. Slayer stuff takes a special style of crazy to get right and most established metal players hone their styles to be more melodic. Slayer riffs/licks are chaotic. They'd have more luck with a punk/hardcore kid.



No way was I implying that Dave should join.  That would be a disaster.  For one thing, Mustaine must ALWAYS be in control, and he won't get that with Slayer.  I was just pointing out that Kerry played with Megadeth.  So getting their name mispelled in an article about Slayer (where they really shouldn't have been mentioned anyway, probably pissed Kerry off...

Slayer already has it in the works for at least a touring guitarist anyway.  Hannamen hasn't been able to play due to that spider bite for like 3 years.  And they are still touring...
 
2013-05-07 02:11:38 PM

here to help: I like how the alternate name is Megacorpse. Now THAT would be a good cover band name... but I'm gonna title a song with it. lol


I always wanted to see a Metallica/Megadeth tribute called "The Four Horse Mechanix"
 
2013-05-07 02:18:42 PM
.su nioJ
 
2013-05-07 02:20:34 PM

here to help: Yeah, it's why Rust in Peace is ridiculously more technical than their previous work. Also Dave had just gotten sober and hadn't quite found Jebus yet. RiP is one of my favorite albums of all time... but I'm a guitar nerd. Most folks like the earlier stuff. Countdown on isn't really Megadeth anymore. Some good tunes but it just isn't the same.


I'm a guitar nerd too, but I grew up on the earlier stuff, so that holds a special place in my heart. Those early lps weren't as technical, but that's when I was in my early teens playing a ton of guitar, so I learned every one of them note for note.
 
2013-05-07 02:23:26 PM

durbnpoisn: No way was I implying that Dave should join. That would be a disaster. For one thing, Mustaine must ALWAYS be in control, and he won't get that with Slayer. I was just pointing out that Kerry played with Megadeth. So getting their name mispelled in an article about Slayer (where they really shouldn't have been mentioned anyway, probably pissed Kerry off...

Slayer already has it in the works for at least a touring guitarist anyway. Hannamen hasn't been able to play due to that spider bite for like 3 years. And they are still touring...


Yeah, wasn't sure what you meant. I'd like to hear some of the King Megadeth stuff though. Seems to me he could add the early grit to the more technical stuff. That was one problem with Friedman. He was great but he was TOO clean. Early MD was a very gritty band and that's what made them so appealing to so many.

It's also why Slayer is so awesome. It's complex but nasty. No fancy froos could pull that sh*t off.

\m/
 
2013-05-07 02:24:32 PM

RockofAges: Klom Dark: jbtilley: I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus

Have you checked out Nevermore?  (They existed from 1992 to 2011) Very good metal, and no vomit-rock singer either.

Good suggestion. However, the voice is an instrument, and metal has the heaviest distortion of instruments in general. It's not good to be so closed minded, particularly when speaking of extremely aggressive music in which violent delivery is a large portion of the point.

/leave the pig squeals at home, though, please ;)


I've always been more attracted to metal with the duality of violent music overlaid with a powerful, but not vomiting, singer. I have heard way too much excellent metal made unlistenable by a dumass with only one sound in his repertoire which sounds like someone trying to hawk up a loogie.

Don't get me wrong: accenting strong musical parts with some guttural vocal distortion is fine, just gotta apply it where it makes sense and not every word in the song. Otherwise it's the same as how you wouldn't be impressed with a guitar player who used the same effect, all the time.
 
2013-05-07 02:26:26 PM

Monster Island: here to help: Yeah, it's why Rust in Peace is ridiculously more technical than their previous work. Also Dave had just gotten sober and hadn't quite found Jebus yet. RiP is one of my favorite albums of all time... but I'm a guitar nerd. Most folks like the earlier stuff. Countdown on isn't really Megadeth anymore. Some good tunes but it just isn't the same.

I'm a guitar nerd too, but I grew up on the earlier stuff, so that holds a special place in my heart. Those early lps weren't as technical, but that's when I was in my early teens playing a ton of guitar, so I learned every one of them note for note.


Yeah, I'm probably a little younger than you then. When I was getting into thrash/playing guit as a pre teen it was the Rust In Peace/And Justice for All era. I didn't really get into the earlier stuff into I was older. I actually didn't even like Slayer back then because I thought it was too sloppy/non musical. I know better now.

;-)
 
2013-05-07 02:29:49 PM
What a Megadeth may look like.

static.guim.co.uk

/hot link!
 
2013-05-07 02:40:48 PM
This is the greatest thread of all time
 
2013-05-07 02:44:47 PM

jbtilley: For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.


Thrash:
God Hates us All by Slayer (2001)?  Bad ass.
Machinehead - The Blackening.  Also bad ass.
Megadeth - Endgame was way better than the ones you mentioned and their best recent one imo.
Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes.  I have a lot of their stuff and don't love all of it but this album is badass.   Disciples of the Lie !!!
Death Angel - Relentless Retribution, Killing Season, Art of Dying.   I Choose the Sky
A Perfect Murder - Strength Through Vengeance
Speed Kill Hate - Acts of Insanity
Dew Scented - Issue VI, Invocation
Evile - Infected Naions, Five Serpents Teeth
Kreator - Enemy of God, Hordes of Chaos.   Destroy What Destroys You
Austrian Death Machine - Total Brutal.  Joke album.  Hilarious and awesome.
Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

Thrash/death/extreme/other:
Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn, Ashes of the Wake, Sacrament.  They  are more death/extreme but awesome if you're into that.
Symphony X - Paradise Lost.  Prog not thrash but I love this album.
Kataklysm - Poetry of War, Serenity in Fire, In the Arms of Devastation.  It's extreme thrash death so if you're new to it start with Serenity in Fire... As I Slither
DevilDriver - self titled
Grimfist - Ten Steps to Hell, Ghouls of Grandeur.  You wanna hear amazing guitar work: Breed Apart.  Hmm can't find a link
Down - all albums (Phil Anselmo's current band)
Bolt Thrower - Those Once Loyal, For Victory.   Killchain = fark yes x a million
Divine Heresy - Bleed the Fifth
Five Finger Death Punch - The Way of the Fist.
Dream Theater - Train of Thought.   As I Am. More recommendations if you're into prog but this is most accessible.
Grand Magus - Wolf's Return
Hatebreed - Perseverance
Kingdom of Sorrow - self titled
Avenged Sevenfold - Waking the Fallen
The Sword - All albums but especially Age of Winters. Iron Swan
Superjoint Ritual - A Lethal Dose of American Hatred (another Anselmo band)

That ought to keep you busy for a while.  My buddies and I are having a Metalfest this weekend so this was great to remind myself of some stuff I want to throw in the queue.  Cheers!  \m/
 
2013-05-07 02:54:05 PM

skullkrusher: This is the greatest thread of all time


You need to come out of that stupid Politics tab more often.
 
2013-05-07 02:56:44 PM

genepool lifeboat: skullkrusher: This is the greatest thread of all time

You need to come out of that stupid Politics tab more often.


hehe, true true. Headbanging vs banging your head against a wall.
 
2013-05-07 02:57:51 PM

Carn: Hatebreed - Perseverance


"Satisfaction is the Death of Desire" is pretty amazing too
 
2013-05-07 02:58:18 PM

Carn: Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying


I love that these guys get recognized often.  Their drummer is an old friend of mine and one of the coolest guys on the planet.
 
2013-05-07 03:01:29 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Hatebreed - Perseverance

"Satisfaction is the Death of Desire" is pretty amazing too


I love all Hatebreed - I was trying to hold myself to my favorites although I know I got carried away there.  Jasta's self titled is good too and Kingdom of Sorrow which I listed is another of his.  That one is awesome.
 
2013-05-07 03:02:42 PM

genepool lifeboat: Carn: Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

I love that these guys get recognized often.  Their drummer is an old friend of mine and one of the coolest guys on the planet.


First song I heard was "Thrashin of the Christ" and I knew I was gonna like them.  I keep wanting to see them live but we always end up missing the shows they are in.  They're based in Richmond aren't they?  They're up this way fairly often in NoVA.
 
2013-05-07 03:05:33 PM

Carn: jbtilley: For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.

Thrash:
God Hates us All by Slayer (2001)?  Bad ass.
Machinehead - The Blackening.  Also bad ass.
Megadeth - Endgame was way better than the ones you mentioned and their best recent one imo.
Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes.  I have a lot of their stuff and don't love all of it but this album is badass.   Disciples of the Lie !!!
Death Angel - Relentless Retribution, Killing Season, Art of Dying.   I Choose the Sky
A Perfect Murder - Strength Through Vengeance
Speed Kill Hate - Acts of Insanity
Dew Scented - Issue VI, Invocation
Evile - Infected Naions, Five Serpents Teeth
Kreator - Enemy of God, Hordes of Chaos.   Destroy What Destroys You
Austrian Death Machine - Total Brutal.  Joke album.  Hilarious and awesome.
Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

Thrash/death/extreme/other:
Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn, Ashes of the Wake, Sacrament.  They  are more death/extreme but awesome if you're into that.
Symphony X - Paradise Lost.  Prog not thrash but I love this album.
Kataklysm - Poetry of War, Serenity in Fire, In the Arms of Devastation.  It's extreme thrash death so if you're new to it start with Serenity in Fire... As I Slither
DevilDriver - self titled
Grimfist - Ten Steps to Hell, Ghouls of Grandeur.  You wanna hear amazin ...


Good stuff.  I would add:

Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Opeth - Watershed
Devin Townsend - Deconstruction
Devin Townsend - Addicted
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
Cynic - Traced In Air
Meshuggah - Obzen
The Faceless - Planetary Duality
Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare
Cynic - Traced In Air
Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage
Septic Flesh - The Great Mass
 
2013-05-07 03:06:05 PM

Carn: genepool lifeboat: Carn: Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

I love that these guys get recognized often.  Their drummer is an old friend of mine and one of the coolest guys on the planet.

First song I heard was "Thrashin of the Christ" and I knew I was gonna like them.  I keep wanting to see them live but we always end up missing the shows they are in.  They're based in Richmond aren't they?  They're up this way fairly often in NoVA.


Yep, they're from Richmond (Dave was originally from Red Bank, NJ)  I met him when he was still playing in Human Remains and they'd play in all our basements (do they still have basement shows?) up here in WNY.
MW is godly.
 
2013-05-07 03:10:43 PM

ChewbaccaJones: Good stuff.  I would add:

Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Opeth - Watershed
Devin Townsend - Deconstruction
Devin Townsend - Addicted
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
Cynic - Traced In Air
Meshuggah - Obzen
The Faceless - Planetary Duality
Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare
Cynic - Traced In Air
Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage
Septic Flesh - The Great Mass


I can't believe I forgot Amon Amarth!!  Fate of Norns - Pursuit of Vikings.  I don't know if there's a category but best viking metal song ever.  Never heard much Opeth, need to check some out.
 
2013-05-07 03:11:00 PM

genepool lifeboat: Carn: genepool lifeboat: Carn: Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

I love that these guys get recognized often.  Their drummer is an old friend of mine and one of the coolest guys on the planet.

First song I heard was "Thrashin of the Christ" and I knew I was gonna like them.  I keep wanting to see them live but we always end up missing the shows they are in.  They're based in Richmond aren't they?  They're up this way fairly often in NoVA.

Yep, they're from Richmond (Dave was originally from Red Bank, NJ)  I met him when he was still playing in Human Remains and they'd play in all our basements (do they still have basement shows?) up here in WNY.
MW is godly.


viewaskew.com
 
2013-05-07 03:13:36 PM

genepool lifeboat: Carn: genepool lifeboat: Carn: Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

I love that these guys get recognized often.  Their drummer is an old friend of mine and one of the coolest guys on the planet.

First song I heard was "Thrashin of the Christ" and I knew I was gonna like them.  I keep wanting to see them live but we always end up missing the shows they are in.  They're based in Richmond aren't they?  They're up this way fairly often in NoVA.

Yep, they're from Richmond (Dave was originally from Red Bank, NJ)  I met him when he was still playing in Human Remains and they'd play in all our basements (do they still have basement shows?) up here in WNY.
MW is godly.


I dunno but if they do that would be awesome.  I hear Richmond has a way more awesome metal scene than we do up here.
 
2013-05-07 03:16:11 PM

Carn: ChewbaccaJones: Good stuff.  I would add:

Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Opeth - Watershed
Devin Townsend - Deconstruction
Devin Townsend - Addicted
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
Cynic - Traced In Air
Meshuggah - Obzen
The Faceless - Planetary Duality
Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare
Cynic - Traced In Air
Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage
Septic Flesh - The Great Mass

I can't believe I forgot Amon Amarth!!  Fate of Norns - Pursuit of Vikings.  I don't know if there's a category but best viking metal song ever.  Never heard much Opeth, need to check some out.


Opeth is my absolute favorite.  Those three I listed (in order) are three of the best metal albums I have heard in the past 20 years.  On my playlist constantly.
 
2013-05-07 03:23:23 PM

4NTLRZ: Marquis de Sod: Megadeath is the most overrated band since the Beetles

Who the hell are the Beetles?


They were the inspiration for the Monkeys
 
2013-05-07 03:23:27 PM

ChewbaccaJones: Carn: jbtilley: For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.

Thrash:
God Hates us All by Slayer (2001)?  Bad ass.
Machinehead - The Blackening.  Also bad ass.
Megadeth - Endgame was way better than the ones you mentioned and their best recent one imo.
Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes.  I have a lot of their stuff and don't love all of it but this album is badass.   Disciples of the Lie !!!
Death Angel - Relentless Retribution, Killing Season, Art of Dying.   I Choose the Sky
A Perfect Murder - Strength Through Vengeance
Speed Kill Hate - Acts of Insanity
Dew Scented - Issue VI, Invocation
Evile - Infected Naions, Five Serpents Teeth
Kreator - Enemy of God, Hordes of Chaos.   Destroy What Destroys You
Austrian Death Machine - Total Brutal.  Joke album.  Hilarious and awesome.
Municipal Waste - The Art of Partying

Thrash/death/extreme/other:
Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn, Ashes of the Wake, Sacrament.  They  are more death/extreme but awesome if you're into that.
Symphony X - Paradise Lost.  Prog not thrash but I love this album.
Kataklysm - Poetry of War, Serenity in Fire, In the Arms of Devastation.  It's extreme thrash death so if you're new to it start with Serenity in Fire... As I Slither
DevilDriver - self titled
Grimfist - Ten Steps to Hell, Ghouls of Grandeur.  You wanna hear ...


More Thrash:
Gama Bomb - Citizen Brain (ok, all their albums but that one's the best)
Evile - Enter the Grave (ok, I see their other stuff listed above, but that one's my favorite)
Bonded by Blood - Feed the Beast (remake of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song, just sayin')
 
2013-05-07 03:32:02 PM
Tankard - Freibier is all kinds of fun, and I don't even speak German
 
kab
2013-05-07 04:30:11 PM

RockofAges: Just passed on an Opeth / Katatonia show in my city. Feel bad about that, but too many factors came up. I did manage to catch Children of Bodom at the same venue last summer and that was WILD. Opeth is a great band, but I was honestly a bit more intrigued to see Katatonia.


They just played near me last week, along with the Steve Wilson for the evening.   Katatonia has sounded better IMO (poor mix and the singer wasn't particularly great that night), and Opeth played a really short set (especially as they were the headliners), but did a great acoustic version of DotF.   Wilson simply schooled everyone though... his band is absurdly good.
 
2013-05-07 04:55:26 PM
Dang it, what happened to this thread? It was just getting going, then puked out... :(

// Imagining the noise that the Millenium Falcon makes when it's hyperdrive is disabled...
 
2013-05-07 06:01:58 PM

optimus_grime: i hope the westboro baptist church pickets hanneman's funeral soooooooooo much.

it be just beautiful to see metalheads stomping on them... it's what everyone wants but is too scared to do... the world would love us forever :)


Assuming that WBC actually bothers to show up instead of just 'shopping themselves in, do you really think Megadeth fans will do what Dio's fans didn't?
 
2013-05-07 06:03:39 PM

here to help: durbnpoisn: No way was I implying that Dave should join. That would be a disaster. For one thing, Mustaine must ALWAYS be in control, and he won't get that with Slayer. I was just pointing out that Kerry played with Megadeth. So getting their name mispelled in an article about Slayer (where they really shouldn't have been mentioned anyway, probably pissed Kerry off...

Slayer already has it in the works for at least a touring guitarist anyway. Hannamen hasn't been able to play due to that spider bite for like 3 years. And they are still touring...

Yeah, wasn't sure what you meant. I'd like to hear some of the King Megadeth stuff though. Seems to me he could add the early grit to the more technical stuff. That was one problem with Friedman. He was great but he was TOO clean. Early MD was a very gritty band and that's what made them so appealing to so many.

It's also why Slayer is so awesome. It's complex but nasty. No fancy froos could pull that sh*t off.

\m/


We will never hear of the King/Megadeth thing unless someone has a bootleg from like '84.  He wasn't with them for very long.  But yeah, despite how fast those dudes can play (and I know, because I've covered music from both bands at one time or other), it's a different style of playing.

For the record I like both.  Freedman is a GREAT lead player.  Very clean, and rather flawless - plus, he holds the pick upside down, which I can relate to.  King on the other hand is just a shredder.  And he loves the hell out of that tremlo!!

Oddly enough, Hannamen was actually a cleaner player than King, though very similar, but somehow seemed to take a slight backseat because King is more theatrical.

In terms of really excellent players out there today, you gotta look at Revocation.  Even if all of their stuff isn't stellar, David Davidson can kill it with leads, and rhythms both - old school and new school.
There are actually a lot of guys out there like that nowadays.  I just think he's the most impressive.  Plus, he has the greatest name and facial expressions of all time.
 
2013-05-07 06:19:41 PM

Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.


That's not completely true. Dave Mustaine may have gone all Ted Nugent but Megadeth still puts out bad ass metal.
 
2013-05-07 06:21:47 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: optimus_grime: i hope the westboro baptist church pickets hanneman's funeral soooooooooo much.

it be just beautiful to see metalheads stomping on them... it's what everyone wants but is too scared to do... the world would love us forever :)

Assuming that WBC actually bothers to show up instead of just 'shopping themselves in, do you really think Megadeth Slayer fans will do what Dio's fans didn't?


Yes.

Megadeth fans and Slayer fans are different animals.  Anyone who was on the field at Big4 at Yankee stadium can attest to that.
 
2013-05-07 06:23:52 PM

khyberkitsune: kab: And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me. Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

And you just proved you know jack about music, let alone the band you're trying to cut down.

Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.

No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.


Chris Drover is pretty damn good. I've seen them live with him 3-4 times and he is awesome. Friedman was the man though. And even though Mustaine isn't the lead guitarist I think it's cool that he plays a few here and there anyways. So many songs with dueling solos, bad ass.
 
2013-05-07 06:25:06 PM

Carn: Austrian Death Machine - Total Brutal.  Joke album.  Hilarious and awesome.




GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
 
2013-05-07 06:31:50 PM

fuzzy dunlop: Megadeth fans and Slayer fans are different animals. Anyone who was on the field at Big4 at Yankee stadium can attest to that.


"Those guys should be careful this time, the Gays Soldiers Marines Dio fans Slayer fans Megadeth fans won't put up with their shiat." Yep, this'll be the crowd that will curb stomp them. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-05-07 06:46:19 PM

Pocket Ninja: Dude, they were a heavy metal hair band. Like they knew how to spell their name.


snocone: Somebody call a cop, I am being persecuted for obscurity and lack of relevance.



Were? Obscure?

I just saw them live last year (with Lacuna Coil opening), with ridiculously-talented Chris Broderick on lead for their 13th album, appropriately titled Th1rt3en - y'know, the album with the song Sudden Death, which was written specifically by Dave Mustaine to serve as a third of the triple-Megadeth-song ending of the Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock game (the other two being Holy Wars and This Day We Fight, both awesome songs too).  While I prefer to play a real guitar instead of Guitar Hero, apparently the Megadeth ending was very appreciated by gamers: "Megadeth's contributions were in particular well received, with "Sudden Death" being described as one of the hardest songs in the franchise's history."  I do know it's a biatch to play IRL and I can't quite get about half of the solo yet (need moar practice, less job).

Th1rt3en hit #11 on the Billboard Top 200.  Original bassist Dave Ellefson, who was the only constant member apart from Dave Mustaine himself until 2002, and whose opening bass line for Peace Sells is the famous riff used by MTV News all those years, rejoined the band for Th1rteen.  Also, Broderick is even a better guitarist than Marty Friedman IMO (sorry khyberkitsune), so he was great to see live.

It was an epic show at the Orlando Hard Rock Live, except for not getting Tornado of Souls into the setlist.

Megadeth's 14th studio album, Super Collider, is slated for release this year.

/yeah, slightly a fan
//more of a Testament & Trivium fan yet still
cyberarmyforums.megadeth.com
 
2013-05-07 06:54:41 PM
At first glace I read that as "NY Times'  meathead readers..."

/Still works
 
2013-05-07 06:55:04 PM

What the hell was that: khyberkitsune: kab: And why Dave insists on having second guitarists that can play circles around him, yet still insist on doing such a large portion of the solo work, is beyond me. Oh that's right, it's because of his ego.

And you just proved you know jack about music, let alone the band you're trying to cut down.

Originally, Marty did all the solo work with Dave playing harmonizing backup, excepting a few songs.

No other guitarist in Megadeth since can even get CLOSE to Friedman, so Dave has to do all the work.

Chris Drover Broderick is pretty damn good. I've seen them live with him 3-4 times and he is awesome. Friedman was the man though. And even though Mustaine isn't the lead guitarist I think it's cool that he plays a few here and there anyways. So many songs with dueling solos, bad ass.


/You know who I meant
 
2013-05-07 07:04:41 PM
They've only been around for 30 years. Anyone could have made that mistake, right?
 
2013-05-07 08:17:27 PM

RockofAges: Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate clean vocals, but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point.


Cookie monster vocals all sound the same.  Even old ST stuff at auctioneer speed you could eventually make out the lyrics with a lyric sheet.
 
2013-05-07 08:26:48 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: RockofAges: Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate clean vocals, but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point.

Cookie monster vocals all sound the same.  Even old ST stuff at auctioneer speed you could eventually make out the lyrics with a lyric sheet.


You get used to harsh vocals after a while, and for many of them (Death, for example) you don't really need a lyric sheet. Of course, some you can't make out even with a lyric sheet, and there is a famous story of a singer who lost his lyric sheet, and couldn't remember or make out the lyrics from the recording, so the band could no longer perform the song live in case any of the fans had been able to make out any of the words from the recorded version of the song.

But what I'm saying is that they don't all sound the same.
 
2013-05-07 08:59:01 PM

RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.


Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.
 
KIA
2013-05-07 09:23:58 PM

12349876: Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too. And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.


On the other hand, last weekend's M3 Concert was staggeringly cool.  Been waiting years to see W.A.S.P. live in the US along with Jackyl, Kix, Korrupt, Loudness, etc.
 
2013-05-07 09:24:11 PM

RockofAges: Cyclonic Cooking Action: RockofAges: Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate clean vocals, but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point.

Cookie monster vocals all sound the same.  Even old ST stuff at auctioneer speed you could eventually make out the lyrics with a lyric sheet.

A brush far too broad.


There are screamed vocals done right (New Testament, for example) and then there's Cradle of Filth.
 
2013-05-07 09:30:00 PM

12349876: RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.

Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.


So you don't like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdxKFsJB6E

/one of my favorite albums from the 80s
//it's pretty screamy
 
2013-05-07 09:34:58 PM
and more on topic, I'd be remiss not to mention my favorite thrash screamer of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcTaQoaaJ7E

/Antichrist
//to each their own
 
2013-05-07 10:12:03 PM

HighZoolander: 12349876: RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.

Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.

So you don't like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdxKFsJB6E

/one of my favorite albums from the 80s
//it's pretty screamy


Both of your examples are a bit on the light side when it comes to screaming.  Not much at all during the verses.  I give those a tolerable rating.  Maybe in a "fark it all" mood I'd really get into it.

Here was something random I found from an anthology site that I use to browse mostly progressive and symphonic metal that I tend to think in the direction of when it comes to modern thrash metal.

Sodom - Splitting the Atom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uq_nTUqEcg

And I can take some of the harsher vocals in very limited doses, especially when saved for true moments of aggression and not 45 minutes straight.  I can tolerate the heavy Dream Theater stuff and think the moments of not quite clean in Nightwish's Imaginaerum are spot on perfect.
 
2013-05-07 10:36:42 PM

12349876: RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.

Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.


Truth. Preach it. In Am. Give me all the thrash, but random screaming, growling etc in death/black is farking dumb.
 
2013-05-07 10:48:22 PM
Hell yes this a bookmark.
 
2013-05-07 10:48:29 PM
Carn:
Dew Scented - Issue VI, Invocation

"Bitter Conflict" is my favorite song of theirs, off of Inwards. Makes me want to break everything
 
2013-05-07 11:01:10 PM

12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.

Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.

So you don't like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdxKFsJB6E

/one of my favorite albums from the 80s
//it's pretty screamy

Both of your examples are a bit on the light side when it comes to screaming.  Not much at all during the verses.  I give those a tolerable rating.  Maybe in a "fark it all" mood I'd really get into it.

Here was something random I found from an anthology site that I use to browse mostly progressive and symphonic metal that I tend to think in the direction of when it comes to modern thrash metal.

Sodom - Splitting the Atom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uq_nTUqEcg

And I can take some of the harsher vocals in very limited doses, especially when saved for true moments of aggression and not 45 minutes straight.  I can tolerate the heavy Dream Theater stuff and think the moments of not quite clean in Nightwish's Imaginaerum are spot on perfect.


Ah, I see where you're coming from. I interpret screaming to be the high-pitched stuff, like wanna-be King Diamond-high. That kind of mid-pitched black metal rasp in the Sodom song is pretty popular these days in blackened thrash bands - you may or may not like these?

Desaster-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsvRMRD9_X0

Mongrel's Cross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8byTyHR5w
 
2013-05-07 11:17:55 PM

Bobo D Monkey: 12349876: RockofAges: but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point. I'm sure that the early thrash screams sounded like nails on a chalkboard to those who preferred The Beatles or Elvis Presley, too.

Those thrash screams are nails on a chalkboard to me too.  And yodeling, gangster rapping, thick country drawls, and throat singing.

Truth. Preach it. In Am. Give me all the thrash, but random screaming, growling etc in death/black is farking dumb.


screaming has its place. We talked earlier about the greatness that was Overkill earlier in the thread. Bobby Blitz was pretty well known for his awesome metal screams. They just weren't constant and that's what made it good.
 
2013-05-07 11:52:21 PM

Bloody William: Megadeth was awesome until Dave Mustaine went all Ted Nugent.


Maybe it was a deliberate misspelling rather than a typo considering that Dave has turned into something like a cross between Ted Nugent and Ned Flanders. It would be a sign of respect to avoid associating Slayer with a musician who endorsed Rick Santorum last year.
 
2013-05-07 11:52:48 PM

HighZoolander: Desaster-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsvRMRD9_X0

Mongrel's Cross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8byTyHR5w


Those would be right out.

I mainly stick to stuff that's compelling and intricate, epic and challenging, heavy and soft, not afraid to throw in some curveballs, so mainly modern classical and depending on who you ask progressive rock/metal.  I wouldn't consider myself a headbanger but I'm not afraid of the heavy and really like it in limited doses without losing melody and traditional singing.  Here's an example of just about as heavy as you can get at times with djent but great atmospheric and jazz influences and really strong sense of melody and high register clean vocals that I really like. http://aviations.bandcamp.com/
 
2013-05-08 12:08:04 AM
If only Megadeth were still good and relevant.
 
2013-05-08 12:35:08 AM

12349876: HighZoolander: Desaster-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsvRMRD9_X0

Mongrel's Cross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8byTyHR5w

Those would be right out.

I mainly stick to stuff that's compelling and intricate, epic and challenging, heavy and soft, not afraid to throw in some curveballs, so mainly modern classical and depending on who you ask progressive rock/metal.  I wouldn't consider myself a headbanger but I'm not afraid of the heavy and really like it in limited doses without losing melody and traditional singing.  Here's an example of just about as heavy as you can get at times with djent but great atmospheric and jazz influences and really strong sense of melody and high register clean vocals that I really like. http://aviations.bandcamp.com/


not bad. not my favorite, but this style of music can be hit or miss for me.

a few of my recent favorite non-harsh vocals are:
Diablo Swing Orchestra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UIJmJB0GEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcRtdrsRQ5o

Hammers of Misfortune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0NaVmYpteg

progressive but with vocals on the guttural side:
Cormorant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n_xpxKLeas

I don't know if you'll like this last one, the vocals are growly, though clean in places,  but the music might win you over:
Aquilus - Nihil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpLcfcCVnI
 
2013-05-08 01:02:24 AM
farm4.staticflickr.com

Still, dying of necrotizing fasciitis is pretty metal.

/Ha, ha, you read that in his voice
 
2013-05-08 01:46:57 AM

HighZoolander: Diablo Swing Orchestra


Love Diablo Swing.  The 2nd and 4th were okay on first listen, though probably a little bland for me.  I've got a a fair amount of classical music training, and I love that influence and other ethnic influences which Diablo Swing absolutely masters.  I also love rhythmic challenges and barring those things, some super catchy non-derivative riffs or an epic movie soundtrack quality.

Here's one of my favorite songs that puts it all together, Haken's "Visions"  You probably don't want to listen to all 22 minutes so go to 15:00-17:30+ for 20 seconds of  traditional ballad followed by 1:30 of one of the craziest proggiest things out there (listen for all 4 simultaneous vocals lines at 16:30) followed by 30 seconds of heavy groove followed by orchestral influenced movie epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJUDk6a4GsI
 
2013-05-08 02:33:24 AM

12349876: HighZoolander: Diablo Swing Orchestra

Love Diablo Swing.  The 2nd and 4th were okay on first listen, though probably a little bland for me.  I've got a a fair amount of classical music training, and I love that influence and other ethnic influences which Diablo Swing absolutely masters.  I also love rhythmic challenges and barring those things, some super catchy non-derivative riffs or an epic movie soundtrack quality.

Here's one of my favorite songs that puts it all together, Haken's "Visions"  You probably don't want to listen to all 22 minutes so go to 15:00-17:30+ for 20 seconds of  traditional ballad followed by 1:30 of one of the craziest proggiest things out there (listen for all 4 simultaneous vocals lines at 16:30) followed by 30 seconds of heavy groove followed by orchestral influenced movie epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJUDk6a4GsI


That was pretty interesting. I've been listening to a bit more, and I like this song more than the title track, particularly the vocal line at the beginning, though I prefer the heavy/bassy parts to the synthy parts in the rest of the song -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q97gsNppY7g

These days when I'm in the mood for clean vocals I usually go for doom or occult rock, though the occasional progressive album catches my interest. This might be one of them - I'll have to listen to it more - I suspect it needs a few listens to really appreciate.

I don't know if you like occult rock at all, but this song amazed me this year -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgWxb1bXkE

/The thing that really impresses me about Diablo Swing Orchestra is that as much as I loved their early albums, they've still seemed to just keep getting better; this last album I just could not (and cannot) stop listening to.
 
2013-05-08 08:56:23 AM

Oakenhelm: Carn:
Dew Scented - Issue VI, Invocation

"Bitter Conflict" is my favorite song of theirs, off of Inwards. Makes me want to break everything


Revel in Contempt is mine off Invocation.
 
2013-05-08 09:23:28 AM
Nabb1: moothemagiccow: that's a pretty big oversight

Yeah, I have to agree with that.  I saw a triple-bill of Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer with Alice and Chains opening years ago.  My ears rang for days after the Slayer set.  Great night, though.


I never did see the Alice in Chains set.  I don't think it was much of a loss, personally.

I guess Slayer is basically done.
 
2013-05-08 01:54:58 PM

HighZoolander: I don't know if you like occult rock at all, but this song amazed me this year -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgWxb1bXkE


Definitely a pleasing listen.  Not sure if would have long term appeal yet, but they've actually got a great female singer which is a bit of a rarity.  I think it's because a lot of them are just brought in when the guys think "I want a girl" and they never really meld with the band or are never really judged on how they sing with heavy music versus whatever classical or karaoke training they've had previously.

Two of the Haken members are in a band called To-Mera with a terrific female singer who is actually one of the founding members and the music goes way beyond your average symphonic metal band.  Compared to Haken, I'd say they're a bit less tied to traditional progressive rock, and more heavy at times and almost manic with its transitions from heavy to soft.   And I'll give you the song with 15 seconds of harsh male vocal (the only time on the album) at 5:05.  I love the piano motif that's carried through despite all the changes in style and tempo.

To-Mera - "The Descent"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JARH8N1y9aY
 
2013-05-08 01:59:17 PM

RockofAges: Cyclonic Cooking Action: RockofAges: Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate clean vocals, but I find it almost cliche how many metalheads reject death / black vocal delivery at this point.

Cookie monster vocals all sound the same.  Even old ST stuff at auctioneer speed you could eventually make out the lyrics with a lyric sheet.

A brush far too broad.


Possibly, but I bet if we isolated the vocal tracks from songs and switched them around, nobody would know.  I guess it depends on what someone thinks is cookie monster.  I'd say eyehategod is about my limit until it turns to mush.  I'm sure there are exceptions.
 
2013-05-09 12:42:09 AM

jbtilley: For a while in the mid to late 90s I thought metal had died.  It seems like metal has been partially resurrected here lately with Death Magnetic, World Painted Blood, and Unto the Locust.  I didn't like Metallica and Slayer's albums leading up to their latest releases but their most recent albums made me feel like things might be getting back on track.

I'm sure there are several albums I missed out on while I thought metal was done.  Any suggestions of albums worth checking out?  Like in the 1999 - 2009 range.  I'll have to check out the newer Exodus albums, the 80s Exodus never really resonated with me.  I've listened to Megadeth's 13 and The System Has Failed.  I do not get the praise for those albums. At. All.


Try Behemoth on for size, Evangelion is the best thing I've heard in a long time.
 
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