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2013-05-07 08:32:45 AM  
I've been considering an Electric Bike of some kind lately. Right now, I don't have a car because the Fiancee does, and I work from home, so why bother. I like the easy lightweight transportation of a Bike, but the hills here would kill me, I am not an athlete.

Worth noting, though, you can get decent electric bikes for as low as 600 bucks, so you don't have to break the bank to do it.
 
2013-05-07 08:37:25 AM  
"Emo ped" is a good description of a certain hipster aesthetic.
 
2013-05-07 08:47:16 AM  
If you want a vehicle with a motor attached, why would you disguise it as a bicycle?
 
2013-05-07 08:48:30 AM  

pup.socket: If you want a vehicle with a motor attached, why would you disguise it as a bicycle?


The form factor is convenient, there are Bike Lanes, you can take it inside buildings (the ones I prefer fold in half). No special licensing or training needed.
 
2013-05-07 08:55:03 AM  

LasersHurt: there are Bike Lanes


Motorized vehicles have no place in the bike lane. A friend of mine had to spend some weeks in casting because she got rammed from behind by a 80-year old obasan on one of these contraptions.
 
2013-05-07 08:56:38 AM  

pup.socket: LasersHurt: there are Bike Lanes

Motorized vehicles have no place in the bike lane. A friend of mine had to spend some weeks in casting because she got rammed from behind by a 80-year old obasan on one of these contraptions.


A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane. Just because your friend got hit by an old man means nothing. Nothing I've seen before this goes above like 20mph, either.

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.
 
2013-05-07 09:01:45 AM  
Um. I saw one of these for sale at Conor Oberst's garage sale 6 weeks ago! He's moved on, man.
 
2013-05-07 09:09:18 AM  
$5900, for that you can buy a reliable used car, of if you want wind in your hair a nice used motorcycle hell you can get a nice new motorcycle the Suzuki TU250 only costs $4300, if you want to spend less a used Suzuki GZ250 in like new condition runs about $2000.
 
2013-05-07 09:20:08 AM  
I had one of these before everyone else did. I'd tell you the brand and model, but you wouldn't know them.
 
2013-05-07 09:58:29 AM  

LasersHurt: pup.socket: LasersHurt: there are Bike Lanes

Motorized vehicles have no place in the bike lane. A friend of mine had to spend some weeks in casting because she got rammed from behind by a 80-year old obasan on one of these contraptions.

A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane. Just because your friend got hit by an old man means nothing. Nothing I've seen before this goes above like 20mph, either.

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.


In a weird way this would be the worst of both worlds for me. Several of the roads I need to travel on don't allow bicycles but will allows mopeds (this will go as fast as a moped but looks like a bicycle). And some bike paths I might want to take this on don't allow motorized anything.
 
2013-05-07 10:00:26 AM  

MindStalker: LasersHurt: pup.socket: LasersHurt: there are Bike Lanes

Motorized vehicles have no place in the bike lane. A friend of mine had to spend some weeks in casting because she got rammed from behind by a 80-year old obasan on one of these contraptions.

A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane. Just because your friend got hit by an old man means nothing. Nothing I've seen before this goes above like 20mph, either.

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.

In a weird way this would be the worst of both worlds for me. Several of the roads I need to travel on don't allow bicycles but will allows mopeds (this will go as fast as a moped but looks like a bicycle). And some bike paths I might want to take this on don't allow motorized anything.


Most of these bikes can, you know, be turned off. They generally offer pedal-assist too. It's not like you're just wailing the throttle and riding out of control, you can be peddling and in full control.

I just don't see any reason this would fall afoul of any restrictions on motorized vehicles. It's still a bike, it handles like a bike, starts and stops like a bike.
 
2013-05-07 10:05:53 AM  

LasersHurt: MindStalker: LasersHurt: pup.socket: LasersHurt: there are Bike Lanes

Motorized vehicles have no place in the bike lane. A friend of mine had to spend some weeks in casting because she got rammed from behind by a 80-year old obasan on one of these contraptions.

A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane. Just because your friend got hit by an old man means nothing. Nothing I've seen before this goes above like 20mph, either.

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.

In a weird way this would be the worst of both worlds for me. Several of the roads I need to travel on don't allow bicycles but will allows mopeds (this will go as fast as a moped but looks like a bicycle). And some bike paths I might want to take this on don't allow motorized anything.

Most of these bikes can, you know, be turned off. They generally offer pedal-assist too. It's not like you're just wailing the throttle and riding out of control, you can be peddling and in full control.

I just don't see any reason this would fall afoul of any restrictions on motorized vehicles. It's still a bike, it handles like a bike, starts and stops like a bike.


I'm just saying I'd never be able to use it a separate moped and regular bike would be more useful.
 
2013-05-07 10:46:45 AM  
$5900 and 45 minutes, the technology is almost there.  Get me 1.5 hours and $4000 and I'll buy.
 
2013-05-07 10:49:59 AM  

stuhayes2010: $5900 and 45 minutes, the technology is almost there.  Get me 1.5 hours and $4000 and I'll buy.


This Guy is $1499 and does 28-38 miles at up to 20mph, should meet your specs unless the lower top speed is a bummer.
 
2013-05-07 10:57:31 AM  

Tom_Slick: $5900, for that you can buy a reliable used car, of if you want wind in your hair a nice used motorcycle hell you can get a nice new motorcycle the Suzuki TU250 only costs $4300, if you want to spend less a used Suzuki GZ250 in like new condition runs about $2000.


Yeah it's expensive, but it's sleek as hell. On top of that, it doesn't require a license to drive it.
 
2013-05-07 11:17:17 AM  
My wife picked up an iZip a couple years ago. I don't think she can get it up to 27+ but I'm pretty sure I did. It's the same idea I think... electronic assistance. The harder you pedal, the faster you go.
It doesn't seem to be quite as big as this thing though.

http://www.izipusa.com/

/no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.
 
2013-05-07 11:19:57 AM  

phimuskapsi: Yeah it's expensive, but it's sleek as hell. On top of that, it doesn't require a license to drive it.


And there is the issue, a 50cc moped or scooter goes about 30 mph and requires the operator to have a drivers license (not a motorcycle license) and requires the rider to follow the same rules of the road as a car.  A bicycle traveling 27 mph is just as much of hazard as a moped but no license is required this thing should be considered a moped and riders should have to live by the same rules.

/Oh and that cute bicycle helmet is not going to help you out much at 30 mph.
 
2013-05-07 11:25:23 AM  
i have 2 currie/schwinn electric scooters. (500 and 1000 watt). They are great for using as a "golf" cart during disc golf.
 
2013-05-07 12:00:58 PM  

LasersHurt: I've been considering an Electric Bike of some kind lately. Right now, I don't have a car because the Fiancee does, and I work from home, so why bother. I like the easy lightweight transportation of a Bike, but the hills here would kill me, I am not an athlete.

Worth noting, though, you can get decent electric bikes for as low as 600 bucks, so you don't have to break the bank to do it.


What's with the random capitalization? German?

LasersHurt: You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.


Actually, it's the law that gives "dibs". Electric scooters with vestigial pedals to comply with laws are hypocritical.
 
2013-05-07 12:02:20 PM  
LasersHurt:

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.

It could depend on where in the world the person is.  Here in the UK not all "cycle lanes" are for the explicit use of a push cycle.  They're also used by "invalid carriages" which not only includes the usually granny chariot stuff but also fully enclosed 'cars' like the GeeWizz electric 'car' (it's legally not classified as a car).

So the person might not have been rammed by something that even remotely resembles a bike.
 
2013-05-07 12:03:53 PM  

Vaneshi: LasersHurt:

You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.

It could depend on where in the world the person is.  Here in the UK not all "cycle lanes" are for the explicit use of a push cycle.  They're also used by "invalid carriages" which not only includes the usually granny chariot stuff but also fully enclosed 'cars' like the GeeWizz electric 'car' (it's legally not classified as a car).

So the person might not have been rammed by something that even remotely resembles a bike.


It could, though in the US it's usually fairly clear. Things like mopeds on up usually get classified as some sort of motorcycle, require licensing, etc. You're right, I have no idea what they were hit by, but I will say this - it was probably better than being hit by a car.
 
2013-05-07 12:08:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: LasersHurt: I've been considering an Electric Bike of some kind lately. Right now, I don't have a car because the Fiancee does, and I work from home, so why bother. I like the easy lightweight transportation of a Bike, but the hills here would kill me, I am not an athlete.

Worth noting, though, you can get decent electric bikes for as low as 600 bucks, so you don't have to break the bank to do it.

What's with the random capitalization? German?

LasersHurt: You don't get dibs on the bike lane because you decided other peoples' bikes don't count.

Actually, it's the law that gives "dibs". Electric scooters with vestigial pedals to comply with laws are hypocritical.


I un-ignored you for this, but you seem to be genuine in this instance, so:

I have no idea why I capitalize like that sometimes. I'm not German, but I do tend to capitalize key nouns that way sometimes. Bad habit; I don't do it in formal writing, either (I majored in Professional Writing). It's just an odd thing I do, I guess.

The law would classify these as "bikes" in almost any instance I can think of. They are not as powerful as "proper" motor vehicles, they are not formed like them. They are very much, in every respect, a normal, working bike with power-assist features. This is the fastest one I've ever heard of.

There could be some wiggle room for asking if, above 25 mph, you cross some sort of line. That's definitely worth considering. But for now, it's definitely NOT an "electric scooter with vestigial pedals." It's a bike first.
 
2013-05-07 12:11:52 PM  

Strik3r: /no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.


Aren't you curious?

Back when I had a motorcycle, it had one of those stupid 85 MPH speedometers on it.

The lack of information was distressing to me.

So, I took it out to a nice, safe, flat road, and wound it out, noting the tachometer reading when it ran out of scrote and wouldn't go any faster.  Drove home, got out the cloth tape measure, and measured the circumference of my back tire, then went through all the gear ratios, and arrived at a top speed somewhere around 115 MPH +/-.

I could have also timed how long it took me to drive over a measured distance, but quite frankly, starting and stopping a timing device at 100+ MPH would have been problematic.
 
2013-05-07 12:26:46 PM  
why wouldn't you just ride more often and get in shape enough to not need the motor?

I'm not understanding the draw.
 
2013-05-07 12:28:06 PM  

DirkValentine: why wouldn't you just ride more often and get in shape enough to not need the motor?

I'm not understanding the draw.


Some people live in very hilly parts of the country. It's easy to say "get in shape," but that's kind of asinine. We always invent things to make stuff easier. You can dig a hole with a shovel, or a backhoe, but I know which I'd choose.
 
2013-05-07 12:30:20 PM  

dittybopper: Strik3r: /no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.

Aren't you curious?


Someday, I'll be sitting around wondering what to do with myself and I will remember this. Until then, it's just not that important to me.
 
2013-05-07 12:33:54 PM  

LasersHurt: A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane


The motor per se isn't dangerous. The inordinate amount of unprepared people in the lane who can ride faster and longer with it than they would without increase the risk many times over.
 
2013-05-07 12:34:42 PM  
Sorry, but this is exactly what we need in the world.

People driving to work, 1 in a car, for a few miles is just nuts.
 
2013-05-07 12:35:24 PM  

pup.socket: LasersHurt: A motorized bike is no more dangerous than a normal bike in a Bike lane

The motor per se isn't dangerous. The inordinate amount of unprepared people in the lane who can ride faster and longer with it than they would without increase the risk many times over.


Well what can you do about that, forbid them from using it? Require training prior? Tell them to ride in the road, generally increasing the danger?
 
2013-05-07 12:36:51 PM  

LasersHurt: DirkValentine: why wouldn't you just ride more often and get in shape enough to not need the motor?

I'm not understanding the draw.

Some people live in very hilly parts of the country. It's easy to say "get in shape," but that's kind of asinine. We always invent things to make stuff easier. You can dig a hole with a shovel, or a backhoe, but I know which I'd choose.


Yes, there are very hilly parts of the country.  I guess San Fran would be a real biatch.  Atlanta is pretty hilly and it took me 6 months of daily commuting to not be it's biatch on my bike.

Ok, point taken.

Counterpoint : Why not just get a motorcycle?
 
2013-05-07 12:42:33 PM  

DirkValentine: Counterpoint : Why not just get a motorcycle?


Licensing, Cost, Cost of Operation/maintenance, concerns of speed/safety, any number of things. Range, too, electric bikes give you enough to get around town and back, but they are not for trips. Motorcycles or cars are better for that, or more than a little bit of cargo.
 
2013-05-07 12:47:16 PM  

LasersHurt: DirkValentine: Counterpoint : Why not just get a motorcycle?

Licensing, Cost, Cost of Operation/maintenance, concerns of speed/safety, any number of things. Range, too, electric bikes give you enough to get around town and back, but they are not for trips. Motorcycles or cars are better for that, or more than a little bit of cargo.


Yeah, good point.  I guess the electric bike thing isn't that bad of an idea aside from some safety issues on bike lanes.

/side note :  one of the best things about living in Fort Worth and/or Houston are the flat, well maintained bike trails that you can ride on for hours without an hills.  If you're into that kind of thing.
 
2013-05-07 12:48:57 PM  

farkeruk: Sorry, but this is exactly what we need in the world.

People driving to work, 1 in a car, for a few miles is just nuts.


Lives 3.4 miles from work. Drives every day. I also go home for lunch a few times a week too. Just me, no ride sharing BS.

/cause I can
//Clarkson school of environmental studies
 
2013-05-07 12:49:52 PM  

DirkValentine: LasersHurt: DirkValentine: Counterpoint : Why not just get a motorcycle?

Licensing, Cost, Cost of Operation/maintenance, concerns of speed/safety, any number of things. Range, too, electric bikes give you enough to get around town and back, but they are not for trips. Motorcycles or cars are better for that, or more than a little bit of cargo.

Yeah, good point.  I guess the electric bike thing isn't that bad of an idea aside from some safety issues on bike lanes.

/side note :  one of the best things about living in Fort Worth and/or Houston are the flat, well maintained bike trails that you can ride on for hours without an hills.  If you're into that kind of thing.


It's definitely something that would and should appeal to a certain segment only. It's gotta be semi-urban or urban, gotta provide some benefit over other methods (for example, public transit is a joke here, and sometimes you only need to go 2 miles. E-bike ahoy.)
 
2013-05-07 12:50:39 PM  
farkeruk:
People driving to work, 1 in a car, for a few miles is just nuts.

True but the average commute for us is 60 - 80 miles.  Besides the problem is most businesses are set up to allow their employees to drive to work and have facilities to accomodate that method of transport (specifically IC powered ones as well).  Bike sheds, be they capable of feeding such things power or not aren't that common.

And I can see a lot of employers getting the hump when a percentage of their staff drag their bikes in to the office building.
 
2013-05-07 12:58:38 PM  
Why not just get a regular moped?

When they build one of these that goes 88 mph youre gonna see some serious shiat!
 
2013-05-07 01:00:30 PM  
Titanius Anglesmith:
//Clarkson school of environmental studies

You pay the VAT on fuel, you pay your "road fund license" (i.e. car tax) which also has VAT on it, you pay VAT on your insurance payments AND you pay for your yearly MOT and the VAT added on to it's price.

So pretty much everything you pay out to maintain your machine... 20% goes directly to HM Government.

You want to drive 3.4 miles a day... I see no real problem with someone doing that.  The damn machines cost a fortune even beyond the initial purchase price, you might as well use it as much as possible.
 
2013-05-07 01:11:04 PM  

dittybopper: Strik3r: /no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.

Aren't you curious?

Back when I had a motorcycle, it had one of those stupid 85 MPH speedometers on it.

The lack of information was distressing to me.

So, I took it out to a nice, safe, flat road, and wound it out, noting the tachometer reading when it ran out of scrote and wouldn't go any faster.  Drove home, got out the cloth tape measure, and measured the circumference of my back tire, then went through all the gear ratios, and arrived at a top speed somewhere around 115 MPH +/-.

I could have also timed how long it took me to drive over a measured distance, but quite frankly, starting and stopping a timing device at 100+ MPH would have been problematic.


Or just mark 2 mile markers, and attempt to count the seconds elapsed between them.
 
2013-05-07 01:25:02 PM  
At 27mph, does it need to be licensed and insured?  In Ontario, an electric bike/electric scooter must be limited to a maximum of 32km/h/20mph.  Anything in excess and it needs some form of license and insurance.
 
2013-05-07 01:33:34 PM  

groppet: Why not just get a regular moped?

When they build one of these that goes 88 mph youre gonna see some serious shiat!


In 'most' places - an electric bicycle is treated like a bicycle.  You don't need a license or insurance and you can disregard traffic laws without any real fear of getting a ticket or arrested.
A moped is just 'girly' motorcycle.  You still need a license, insurance, vehicle sticker and you're more likely to get stopped when you decide to drive up and down the sidewalk at random.
 
2013-05-07 01:54:54 PM  

MindStalker: dittybopper: Strik3r: /no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.

Aren't you curious?

Back when I had a motorcycle, it had one of those stupid 85 MPH speedometers on it.

The lack of information was distressing to me.

So, I took it out to a nice, safe, flat road, and wound it out, noting the tachometer reading when it ran out of scrote and wouldn't go any faster.  Drove home, got out the cloth tape measure, and measured the circumference of my back tire, then went through all the gear ratios, and arrived at a top speed somewhere around 115 MPH +/-.

I could have also timed how long it took me to drive over a measured distance, but quite frankly, starting and stopping a timing device at 100+ MPH would have been problematic.

Or just mark 2 mile markers, and attempt to count the seconds elapsed between them.


With a speedo topping out at 85, and an estimated top speed of 115, I am guessing he was cheating death with the run he did. Pushing it for an entire mile might have been unpossible.

What I don't understand is the urge to go as fast as something will go. I have a motorcycle and will never see its top speed. But it goes plenty fast for me. I have no desire to see where it tops out.
 
2013-05-07 02:14:47 PM  
I LOVE my e-bike, I have a folding one. Top legal speed in Canada is only 20mph though. :(
 
2013-05-07 02:18:44 PM  

Do the needful: MindStalker: dittybopper: Strik3r: /no I didn't put a speedometer on it or actually try to measure the speed.

Aren't you curious?

Back when I had a motorcycle, it had one of those stupid 85 MPH speedometers on it.

The lack of information was distressing to me.

So, I took it out to a nice, safe, flat road, and wound it out, noting the tachometer reading when it ran out of scrote and wouldn't go any faster.  Drove home, got out the cloth tape measure, and measured the circumference of my back tire, then went through all the gear ratios, and arrived at a top speed somewhere around 115 MPH +/-.

I could have also timed how long it took me to drive over a measured distance, but quite frankly, starting and stopping a timing device at 100+ MPH would have been problematic.

Or just mark 2 mile markers, and attempt to count the seconds elapsed between them.

With a speedo topping out at 85, and an estimated top speed of 115, I am guessing he was cheating death with the run he did. Pushing it for an entire mile might have been unpossible.

What I don't understand is the urge to go as fast as something will go. I have a motorcycle and will never see its top speed. But it goes plenty fast for me. I have no desire to see where it tops out.


Just the same, someone like me wonders why anyone would NOT want to do it. Shrug.
 
2013-05-07 02:29:34 PM  

mochunk: Just the same, someone like me wonders why anyone would NOT want to do it. Shrug.


I guess it really depends on what you have around you.

At 155mph - it's hard for me to find decent enough roads to pull it off. On the interstate, at top speed, I'd going 95mph *faster* than the cars going the speed limit - let alone the whole ticket, jail and good chance of accident sort of thing.

At my local track, I can rip down the straightaway at 150+mph all day long. The problem is that folks may not have a good track nearby to "safely" test out the top speeds of their bikes.
 
2013-05-07 02:37:03 PM  
I'd love an electronic bike but honestly I'd just love adequate shower facilities where I work even more. I'm a department head, I can't be a sweaty mess when I'm at work. I don't live far away but it's uphill the whole way to work.
 
2013-05-07 02:43:41 PM  
I commuted by electric bike for almost a decade.

My first one cost me $600 and was well worth it. It was more like a moped than a bike. It could do 30 mph if I pedaled it along with the motor on a flat, smooth surface. Its cruising speed was ~ 26 mph. It would go over 30 miles on a single charge.

My second one was $700 and was again well worth it. This one was more like a traditional street cruiser bike. Very comfortable! It would go 25 miles on a single battery, and I could add a second if I wanted to double my range. it was also capable of around 26 mph without pedaling, and a bit faster if I pedaled along with the motor (which I usually did).

I got them because when I was married to my previous spouse we had one car. She drove it. I had to get to work by other means, and I HATE the bus. I have a very bad knee and can't pedal a regular bike for long before I'm unable to move. The motor assistance made it possible for me to pedal without damaging my knee, and if I did have a bad day when I couldn't pedal, I could still use the throttle and get somewhere.

In Michigan they're legal on sidewalks, too, so I wasn't in the road annoying drivers and taking a chance with my life .

By federal law, the states have to treat electric bicycles like normal bicycles, so they are legal anywhere a regular, unpowered bike would be legal. I was never hassled by cops, anywhere.

I also had a gas-powered moped for a while. It was much more dangerous. I tricked it out to go faster (45 instead of the 35 it was locked into from the factory), but it was still risky because drivers get pissy when they have a 45 mph moped on the road in front of them. I had some bad situations with road ragers. I also wiped out a couple times when I hit patches of the road where there had been sand dumped on the curve. Road rash sucks.

The electric bikes were almost as fast and much safer.

That said, I still broke my arm in two places when I had a bike accident, and I eventually sold my e-bike because I got divorced and got a real vehicle.

I still might get a couple e-bikes for short commutes, but my knee is worse than ever and I'm not sure even the motor assistance will help anymore. But I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to save money on their commute.
 
2013-05-07 02:45:24 PM  

mochunk: Do the needful: What I don't understand is the urge to go as fast as something will go. I have a motorcycle and will never see its top speed. But it goes plenty fast for me. I have no desire to see where it tops out.

Just the same, someone like me wonders why anyone would NOT want to do it. Shrug.


As Mr. Steve alludes to above, there's a lot that can go life endingly wrong. Environment and safety equipment are a concern. With a modern liter bike you can get up to speeds over 150mph easily and if something goes wrong and you aren't in a controlled environment like a racetrack, you will be a new headline on fark in no time.
 
2013-05-07 02:54:39 PM  

Do the needful: With a speedo topping out at 85, and an estimated top speed of 115, I am guessing he was cheating death with the run he did. Pushing it for an entire mile might have been unpossible.

What I don't understand is the urge to go as fast as something will go. I have a motorcycle and will never see its top speed. But it goes plenty fast for me. I have no desire to see where it tops out.


The bike was built in the dark ages of 1982, and it was a cruising bike, not a racing one, and it wasn't particularly zippy, but it was *STABLE*.

it was a Yamaha XJ650 Maxim like this one:

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2013-05-07 02:57:05 PM  

Egoy3k: I'd love an electronic bike but honestly I'd just love adequate shower facilities where I work even more. I'm a department head, I can't be a sweaty mess when I'm at work. I don't live far away but it's uphill the whole way to work.


This was another benefit of the e-bike. On my morning commute to my office, I relied heavily on the throttle and didn't break a sweat. On the ride home, if I had the energy, I'd pedal the whole way.


And as to the discussion above about legality, let me copy/paste this for the group:

"In conformance with legislation adopted by the U.S. Congress defining this category of electric-power bicycle (15 U.S.C. 2085(b)), CPSC rules stipulate thatlow speed electric bicycles (to include two- and three-wheel vehicles) are exempt from classification asmotor vehiclesproviding they have fully operable pedals, an electric motor of less than 750W (1 hp), and a top motor-powered speed of less than 20 miles per hour (32 km/h) when operated by a rider weighing 170 pounds*. An electric bike remaining within these specifications will be regarded simply as a bicycle. The legislation enacting this amendment to the CPSC is also known as HR 727."

*That's 20 mph under throttle/motor power alone,  not when being pedaled. Any decent bike can go faster than 20 mph under pedal power.

What this means is that the bike lane, bike path, bike trails, and ANYTHING ELSE DESIGNATED FOR BICYCLES is a legal pathway for an electric bike. It doesn't matter what spandex-clad elitist "cyclists" say, here. They don't own the bike lanes OR the roads.

Anywhere a bike is legal, an electric bike is also legal. In Michigan that means sidewalks are legal as long as you yield to pedestrians and obey traffic and sidewalk signals.

And the pedals are most definitely not "vestigal" on most e-bikes sold in America. They must function. Most people end up using them even when under throttle power, because it's a natural movement and because we chose e-bikes to get a little exercise. If we wanted to be lazy, we'd DRIVE CARS.
 
2013-05-07 03:01:10 PM  

MindStalker: Or just mark 2 mile markers, and attempt to count the seconds elapsed between them.


The problem is keeping a steady count in your head when you are going 115 MPH on a motorcycle.  It was better to simply read the tach, remember where it was when I topped out, and go home and do the math.

Less chance for error because I merely had to remember a single number.

I also surmised that the bike was limited not by engine speed, as I was below the red line by a decent-ish amount (don't ask me how much, it's been at least 20 years now), but it wouldn't go any faster.  I bet with some aerodynamic fairings it would have gone a bit faster.
 
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