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(The Daily Beast)   Marco Rubio steps up on immigration reform. Sadly, doing the right thing may have killed his chances to ever lead his own party   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 41
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2013-05-07 08:39:36 AM  
Nothing to gain in the short run, but the GOP will have to change at some point.  29% of the population (and falling) isn't enough to win national elections and Hispanics aren't going to vote for people who hate them.

Either the GOP becomes a regional, mainly Southern party or it get's over the racisim.
 
2013-05-07 08:56:53 AM  
if it was just racism it would be easy to "get over" but the GOP has cobbled together a coalition of voters and a chunk of them have financial interest in having this class of throw away workers.
 
2013-05-07 09:07:33 AM  
Sooner or later they have to realize they can have,

a) politicians that are electable
or
b) politicians that follow the party line

But they cant have both.

Kind of hard to promote your agenda if you cant fill the seats.
 
2013-05-07 09:10:50 AM  

Heraclitus: Kind of hard to promote your agenda if you cant fill the seats.


Who is going to stop them, the petrified weakling Democrat majority? *Snicker*
 
2013-05-07 09:12:37 AM  
Meh. The Republicans realize their party will continue to decline without changing their public position on immigration. Rubio is just changing his language a little. He's going from "No special pathway to citizenship," to "I support a long, arduous and difficult pathway to citizenship that's not special in any way,"
 
2013-05-07 09:14:12 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Heraclitus: Kind of hard to promote your agenda if you cant fill the seats.

Who is going to stop them, the petrified weakling Democrat majority? *Snicker*


If the senate ever got down to 99 democrats and one republican that demanded the nation strip naked, horsewhup itself and proclaim its love for Jesus while crapping in buckets, they'd finda way to compromise.
 
2013-05-07 09:15:27 AM  
Legalize them all and let god sort them out.
 
2013-05-07 09:17:58 AM  
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If the senate ever got down to 99 democrats and one republican that demanded the nation strip naked, horsewhup itself and proclaim its love for Jesus while crapping in buckets, they'd finda way to compromise.

They'd have to ask the Republicans for permission to compromise first, then play golf with them while acting cowed by their awesome presence.
 
2013-05-07 09:20:34 AM  
Immigrants can become citizens after they die for our country on the battlefield, and not any earlier. It's the most humane way to end their suffering as non-Americans
 
2013-05-07 09:37:09 AM  
For some reason I read that as Obama reach around.
 
2013-05-07 09:40:51 AM  
Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal.

Anyway, it's us, the GOP.  We're trying to do some outreach.  Because we see that you went big for that other guy in the last election.  Well, we have a proposal for you.  We think you belong in our party's Big Tent, because we've got to pick off some votes somewhere, and frankly you're our best prospect.  The Negroes don't trust us, and we'd rather have them serving the hors d'œuvres, not rubbing elbows with us in the tent as though they're equals.  We don't want the homos.  And we've already got plenty of poor people to vote for us, thanks to Jesus.

You're Catholic.  So you're anti-abortion, believe in religious education, and don't like homos (yeah, I know about Ricky Martin, but hey, we can't smear all the queers).  So we have something in common there.

Even though you're illegal, we like that you came here to work, which is more than we can say for some other minorities *cough* *cough*.  We don't like you using our schools and hospitals, though, because paying to educate your huge litters of spiclets and take care of you when you fall off a roof at work costs productive citizens a lot of money, via our tax dollars.

So here's the deal. We're going to throw you a bone by offering you a path to citizenship. It's not amnesty.  You'll have to work hard, jump through a lot of hoops, and wait your turn, because being American is a privilege, not a right.  (Well, it is for *us*, but that's because we were born here.  You weren't.  Tough tamales.)

In return, you have to promise that you'll vote Republican, accept your second-class citizenship quietly, and not make waves.  You see what the negroes and gays did to the Democrats?  They demanded all kinds of stuff in return for their votes, and so the Democrats are tainted as the party of affirmative action and gay marriage. Disgusting.  We won't have that happening with the GOP.  We have to maintain the integrity of the brand.  We are God's Own Party.

So you can be Mexican, but we want you to be like Taco Bell.  You know there's Taco Bells in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Utah, right?  Because they toned it down.  They're not in-your-face Mexican.  So they're exotic enough to be appealing to the suburban soccer mom, but not so much that they're scary.  That's what you should go for.  Be Taco Bell.  Be Chi-chi's.  Be Doritos and Tostitos and Fritos with guacamole or queso dip.

Anyway, think about it.  2014's an election year, you know.  And a big one's coming up in 2016.

Boo-ennis die-os.  And hasta la vista.  Baby.
 
2013-05-07 09:50:13 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal.

Anyway, it's us, the GOP.  We're trying to do some outreach.  Because we see that you went big for that other guy in the last election.  Well, we have a proposal for you.  We think you belong in our party's Big Tent, because we've got to pick off some votes somewhere, and frankly you're our best prospect.  The Negroes don't trust us, and we'd rather have them serving the hors d'œuvres, not rubbing elbows with us in the tent as though they're equals.  We don't want the homos.  And we've already got plenty of poor people to vote for us, thanks to Jesus.

You're Catholic.  So you're anti-abortion, believe in religious education, and don't like homos (yeah, I know about Ricky Martin, but hey, we can't smear all the queers).  So we have something in common there.

Even though you're illegal, we like that you came here to work, which is more than we can say for some other minorities *cough* *cough*.  We don't like you using our schools and hospitals, though, because paying to educate your huge litters of spiclets and take care of you when you fall off a roof at work costs productive citizens a lot of money, via our tax dollars.

So here's the deal. We're going to throw you a bone by offering you a path to citizenship. It's not amnesty.  You'll have to work hard, jump through a lot of hoops, and wait your turn, because being American is a privilege, not a right.  (Well, it is for *us*, but that's because we were born here.  You weren't.  Tough tamales.)

In return, you have to promise that you'll vote Republican, accept your second-class citizenship quietly, and not make waves.  You see what the negroes and gays did to the Democrats?  They demanded all kinds of stuff in return for their votes, and so the Democrats are tainted as the party of affirmative action and gay marriage. Disgusting.  We won't have that happening with the GOP.  We have to maintain the integ ...


Point of order...

Chicano is a term specifically for those of Mexican heritage living in the US.
 
2013-05-07 09:58:03 AM  

max_pooper: Point of order...

Chicano is a term specifically for those of Mexican heritage living in the US.


That's the term our market research guys told us to use.

I recall using it back in the salad days of my youth, in the 70s.   It was more polite than calling 'em "spics".

The market research guys say it would be hip and edgy and cool to start saying Chicano again.  Sort of like how those rappers use the N word.

Anyway, we're talking about Mexicans anyway, right?  What's that? There are other *kinds* of Hispanics?

*shrug* Who knew?  Is this some thing like Sunni muslims and Shi'ites?  Meh, what's the diff?   shiat, just shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out, right?  The muslims, I mean.  Not the Chica-  sorry, HISPANICS.

Well if that offended you, I'm sorry you're offended.  Y'all south-of-the-border types all look alike to me.
 
2013-05-07 10:23:30 AM  
If the Castro regime would grant Cuban citizenship to every illegal in the US, then under our "wet foot/dry foot" policy, all of them could immediately apply for a green card. Problem solved!
 
2013-05-07 10:24:57 AM  
Cubans?  What's wrong with Cubans.  Rubio.  Cruz.

It just shows that Republicans are a little more discriminating that Democrats, that's all.   With all those brown people speaking gibberish or that language you got a D+ in in high school, who can keep track.

Having acquired 55% of the land of Mexico in the past, it's just a coincidence that Cuban is probably not the mainstream or even trickle for a major portion of the country.

If only there were more Mormon Cubans, the GOP could show how discriminating it really is.
 
2013-05-07 10:30:46 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal.

Anyway, it's us, the GOP.  We're trying to do some outreach.  Because we see that you went big for that other guy in the last election.  Well, we have a proposal for you.  We think you belong in our party's Big Tent, because we've got to pick off some votes somewhere, and frankly you're our best prospect.  The Negroes don't trust us, and we'd rather have them serving the hors d'œuvres, not rubbing elbows with us in the tent as though they're equals.  We don't want the homos.  And we've already got plenty of poor people to vote for us, thanks to Jesus.

You're Catholic.  So you're anti-abortion, believe in religious education, and don't like homos (yeah, I know about Ricky Martin, but hey, we can't smear all the queers).  So we have something in common there.

Even though you're illegal, we like that you came here to work, which is more than we can say for some other minorities *cough* *cough*.  We don't like you using our schools and hospitals, though, because paying to educate your huge litters of spiclets and take care of you when you fall off a roof at work costs productive citizens a lot of money, via our tax dollars.

So here's the deal. We're going to throw you a bone by offering you a path to citizenship. It's not amnesty.  You'll have to work hard, jump through a lot of hoops, and wait your turn, because being American is a privilege, not a right.  (Well, it is for *us*, but that's because we were born here.  You weren't.  Tough tamales.)

In return, you have to promise that you'll vote Republican, accept your second-class citizenship quietly, and not make waves.  You see what the negroes and gays did to the Democrats?  They demanded all kinds of stuff in return for their votes, and so the Democrats are tainted as the party of affirmative action and gay marriage. Disgusting.  We won't have that happening with the GOP.  We have to maintain the integ ...


*golf clap*
 
2013-05-07 10:35:04 AM  
It is universally known that racism is the glue that holds the GOP together. Get rid of the racism, and the GOP will dissolve into individual puddles of specifically-flavored derp, no two of which will have enough common ground to re-congeal and go against the Democrats.
 
2013-05-07 10:42:41 AM  

cubic_spleen: It is universally known that racism is the glue that holds the GOP together. Get rid of the racism, and the GOP will dissolve into individual puddles of specifically-flavored derp, no two of which will have enough common ground to re-congeal and go against the Democrats.


Pants pissing fear is what unites the GOP.  Any outside culture, trend, technology, innovation, science, race, makes them shiat their pants.
 
2013-05-07 10:51:17 AM  

mrshowrules: Pants pissing fear is what unites the GOP.  Any outside culture, trend, technology, innovation, science, race, makes them shiat their pants.


I'm guessing they like this one:  http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/worlds-first-3d-printed-g u n-successfully-fired-in

MOAR GUNS! REALLY CHEAP! WITH NO SERIAL NUMBERS! CAN'T BE DETECTED BY THOSE GUBMINT METAL DETECTORS! SO YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR FAMILY FROM GHEYS ON THE PLANES!!!!11!
 
2013-05-07 10:55:22 AM  
Rubio got wanked by McCain, & Graham on visions of becoming President.  They fed his ego and trapped him.  Rookie mistake.  He hasn't recovered from the water board experience and is DOA for 2016.

granitegrok.com
 
2013-05-07 11:00:02 AM  
So, Rubio has a thirst for immigration reform? He's finally drinking the kool aid? He's pausing to sip from the Democrat's glass? The aridity of the current conversational climate around migrant issues is causing him to hydrate with the sweet waters of reform?
 
2013-05-07 11:00:14 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal.

Anyway, it's us, the GOP.  We're trying to do some outreach.  Because we see that you went big for that other guy in the last election.  Well, we have a proposal for you.  We think you belong in our party's Big Tent, because we've got to pick off some votes somewhere, and frankly you're our best prospect.  The Negroes don't trust us, and we'd rather have them serving the hors d'œuvres, not rubbing elbows with us in the tent as though they're equals.  We don't want the homos.  And we've already got plenty of poor people to vote for us, thanks to Jesus.

You're Catholic.  So you're anti-abortion, believe in religious education, and don't like homos (yeah, I know about Ricky Martin, but hey, we can't smear all the queers).  So we have something in common there.

Even though you're illegal, we like that you came here to work, which is more than we can say for some other minorities *cough* *cough*.  We don't like you using our schools and hospitals, though, because paying to educate your huge litters of spiclets and take care of you when you fall off a roof at work costs productive citizens a lot of money, via our tax dollars.

So here's the deal. We're going to throw you a bone by offering you a path to citizenship. It's not amnesty.  You'll have to work hard, jump through a lot of hoops, and wait your turn, because being American is a privilege, not a right.  (Well, it is for *us*, but that's because we were born here.  You weren't.  Tough tamales.)

In return, you have to promise that you'll vote Republican, accept your second-class citizenship quietly, and not make waves.  You see what the negroes and gays did to the Democrats?  They demanded all kinds of stuff in return for their votes, and so the Democrats are tainted as the party of affirmative action and gay marriage. Disgusting.  We won't have that happening with the GOP.  We have to maintain the integ ...


I came to say that I found this humorous. That is all.
 
2013-05-07 11:10:47 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Boo-ennis die-os.  And hasta la vista.  Baby.


This thread is yours now. You may decorate as you see fit.
 
2013-05-07 11:38:17 AM  
The photo from from the article with Schumer leering at Rubio screams, "oh yea, Junior Senator, I like the way you talk Immigration reform with that pretty mouth of yours"....it's gross, and cut it out!
 
2013-05-07 11:38:32 AM  
Rubio is young enough that 2020 is still very much doable for him. If he does the right thing now, when there are even more white christian fundie voters in 8 years he stands an even better chance than 2016.

2016 for MR is too much of a force feed anyway. I think a big part of why his name gets floated so much for the next election is not because he is that attractive as a candidate, but that he defers the We-Are-The-GOP-And-We-Hate-Brownies talk a bit. In 7 years when the electorate demographics have shifted even further away from the white, christian male dominated group in the GOP, then he will be far more viable.
 
2013-05-07 11:48:16 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal...


Your post is entirely made of scary accuracy, and Win.
 
2013-05-07 11:53:40 AM  

CygnusDarius: Parthenogenetic: Look, Chicanos - I can call you Chicanos, right?  Because we're friends.  And "Hispanics" seems so impersonal...

Your post is entirely made of scary accuracy, and Win.


Remember Marco speaks Cuban, not that Hispanic Spanish
 
2013-05-07 11:54:49 AM  

homelessdude: when there are even more white christian fundie voters in 8 years


Wat?
 
2013-05-07 12:18:18 PM  

Heraclitus: Sooner or later they have to realize they can have,

a) politicians that are electable
or
b) politicians that follow the party line

But they cant have both.

Kind of hard to promote your agenda if you cant fill the seats.

 If the right would stop being racist and homophobic they would find minorties and gays are just as gullible as poor whites and will buy their trickle down bullshiat if you don't hate them as people outright.
 
2013-05-07 12:26:20 PM  
Would have been nice had the article told us his policy.
 
2013-05-07 12:38:27 PM  
considering this bill will allow a flood of h1-b guest workers and rubio is getting money from silicon valley for his stance here it makes sense to me. powerful special interests are rigging the game to put money in their pockets at the expense of the american people and politicians are signing on. there is no "doing the right thing" going on here, just politics as usual.
 
2013-05-07 12:45:25 PM  

tlchwi02: considering this bill will allow a flood of h1-b guest workers


Yes, I recall where the bill says "approve every h1-b visa because we hate Americans."
 
2013-05-07 12:46:03 PM  
For Congressman and Senators, politics can often feel like a lot of hard work, with little reward

I think the author even managed to say this with a straight face. A lot of hard work with little reward? Sure. Unless you count the salary that is almost 3 times the median household income in America, gold-plated health insurance, and a retirement plan that would make a CEO blush. Then there is that little perk where you can use your insider knowledge to line your pockets with the money of rubes by placing weighted bets in the stock market. Let's not forget the "campaign contributions", sweetheart deals and "gifts" that often times find their way into a politicians own pocket as well. Oh, and after all of that is done, if you sucked the right cocks while in office, you can get a sweet gig as a "lobbyist" or "consultant" with one of your wealthy beneficiaries, which will consist of a 7-figure or more salary and a grueling schedule of golfing with politicians and wining and dining all over the world. Yes, those poor, poor, overworked and under-compensated congress-critters. I weep for their plight. Someone should really start a charity so that we can all donate some of our unemployment checks to help ease their suffering.
 
2013-05-07 01:21:05 PM  

LasersHurt: Yes, I recall where the bill says "approve every h1-b visa because we hate Americans."


Why would it be that they hate americans? The 1% group doesn't care about nations, they care about being obscenely wealthy. If americans were the cheapest option, they'd choose us. The bill's provisions allow them to become even more wealthy than they already are, and that is all they care about.

"Under S. 744, the H1B annual limit, or "cap", would be raised from the current level of 65,000 to 110,000. The advanced-degree exemptions from the cap (i.e. master's cap) would increase by 5,000 to 25,000.
The proposal contains further provisions for additional increases to the cap limit. These provisions would allow the H1B cap to expand to a maximum annual limit of 180,000"

why do you think that the silicon valley super pac is running pro-rubio adds talking about "border security" under the group name "Americans for a Conservative Direction"? When you look at that name, do you think "oh yes, that is a group of silicon valley CEO's who are deeply concerned about the state of migrant farm workers sneaking across the border"? Even their lobbying is designed to conceal from the average joe that they are involved... i wonder why they would feel the need to hide their involvement?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/us/politics/tech-firms-take-lead-i n- lobbying-on-immigration.html?ref=politics&_r=1&
 
2013-05-07 01:22:35 PM  
tlchwi02:

It's a conspiracy, because you think it looks shady?

"Flooded" with visas, at 110k?
 
2013-05-07 01:37:02 PM  
I love how the GOP's standard bearer for immigration reform is a guy who comes from the ethnic group for which we have basically legalized illegal immigration for.
 
2013-05-07 01:37:31 PM  
I don't care what he's "stepped up" on.

Why would we want this dumbshiat in any position of power?

Also :Why do people still think the Republican party is worth :"saving?"

Why would liberals want conservative values to be front and center any more than they already are in this country? We need to move forward, not find a comfortable moderate right-leaning position.

We already have that with the Democrats.

I know. Obvious tag is obvious.
 
2013-05-07 01:58:43 PM  
What's funny is that even people like Sean Hannity were talking about the need for immigration reform pretty much the moment after the last election was called for Obama.  The right knows that they need to do something about their image, they just can't figure out how to do it without alienating their base (and the business owners who don't want to pay minimum wage for labor).  I don't envy Rubio's position.
 
2013-05-07 02:54:08 PM  

Parthenogenetic: max_pooper: Point of order...

Chicano is a term specifically for those of Mexican heritage living in the US.

That's the term our market research guys told us to use.

I recall using it back in the salad days of my youth, in the 70s.   It was more polite than calling 'em "spics".

The market research guys say it would be hip and edgy and cool to start saying Chicano again.  Sort of like how those rappers use the N word.

Anyway, we're talking about Mexicans anyway, right?  What's that? There are other *kinds* of Hispanics?

*shrug* Who knew?  Is this some thing like Sunni muslims and Shi'ites?  Meh, what's the diff?   shiat, just shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out, right?  The muslims, I mean.  Not the Chica-  sorry, HISPANICS.

Well if that offended you, I'm sorry you're offended.  Y'all south-of-the-border types all look alike to me.


Remind me to play straight man with you in future threads just to inspire more posts like this. Nice!
 
2013-05-07 03:12:58 PM  

mod3072: For Congressman and Senators, politics can often feel like a lot of hard work, with little reward

I think the author even managed to say this with a straight face. A lot of hard work with little reward? Sure. Unless you count the salary that is almost 3 times the median household income in America, gold-plated health insurance, and a retirement plan that would make a CEO blush. Then there is that little perk where you can use your insider knowledge to line your pockets with the money of rubes by placing weighted bets in the stock market. Let's not forget the "campaign contributions", sweetheart deals and "gifts" that often times find their way into a politicians own pocket as well. Oh, and after all of that is done, if you sucked the right cocks while in office, you can get a sweet gig as a "lobbyist" or "consultant" with one of your wealthy beneficiaries, which will consist of a 7-figure or more salary and a grueling schedule of golfing with politicians and wining and dining all over the world. Yes, those poor, poor, overworked and under-compensated congress-critters. I weep for their plight. Someone should really start a charity so that we can all donate some of our unemployment checks to help ease their suffering.


Since when does anyone on the planet get involved in politics NOT to push an agenda etc. but for the money instead? Be embarrassed you made the post I just quoted.
 
2013-05-07 11:35:53 PM  
 
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