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(Talking Points Memo)   Tactical Response would like you to know that just because the Ohio shooter had their training material, doesn't mean he was a student or a customer of theirs. He just....fark, I dunno. WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE   ( divider line
    More: Followup, Dunno, Not Responsible, Ohio, Ohio shooter, Chuck Yeager, militia movement  
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2013-05-07 09:38:48 AM  
2 votes:
Tactical Response:
We're not Homicidal Militia Nutjobs, just #1 with Homicidal Militia Nutjobs .
2013-05-07 08:51:40 AM  
2 votes:

vpb: whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

Which he failed miserably at... so the training manuals are defective?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM  
2 votes:
So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.
2013-05-07 10:49:54 AM  
1 vote:
Clearly, it's time for some common sense restrictions on the First Amendment.  The founding fathers had no idea we would have high capacity assault media when they wrote it, and obviously it was only meant to apply to word of mouth and hand cranked printing presses.

Internet usage should be restricted to those over 18, and access to an ISP should only be allowed after a thorough background check.

Any bloggers, journalists or other small media creators distributors should be subject to a permit system, and those people would have to show a 'need' for such things for authorities to provide a permit under a 'may issue' system.

High capacity media outlets (youtube, facebook, other commercial providers of dangerous videos like this) will have to have a federal license, and keep careful records of everyone they do business with, as well as each individual piece of media they provide to those individuals.  These records will be required to be turned over to the BATFEI (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Information) upon request.

Clearly, this dangerous assault information is turning otherwise harmless Americans into dangerous mass child murdering terrorists.  No decent human being needs access to destructive thoughts.  If we can save just one life, no cost is too high.
2013-05-07 10:33:57 AM  
1 vote:

OnlyM3: I guess getting beejay's is more important than national security.

You're goddamn right they are.

I would sell state secrets to China for a quality hummer.
2013-05-07 10:28:39 AM  
1 vote:
In Yeagers defense, I have a copy of a TacResp Fighting Rifle handout and it doesn't look anything like that. The front cover has their logo (with the Fist/Glock) and a collage of combat and class pics.
2013-05-07 10:23:23 AM  
1 vote:
I never got why people try to extend blame beyond the person who is actually responsible.  How is it ever anyone else's fault but your own for your own actions?
2013-05-07 10:20:18 AM  
1 vote:
The person responsible is dead.  Quit trying to make political hay out of this mess.

Apparently, the book is useless.  He's dead, both cops are alive.
2013-05-07 10:06:40 AM  
1 vote:

OnlyM3: vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM

So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.
* 19 hijackers moved to the USA during clinton administration
* Hijackers trained to fly but not land planes in the the USA during clinton administration
* Clinton Administration warned of islamists learning to fly but not land planes.
* osama b.l. set free when the clinton administration refused to accept the then captured terrorist.
* A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.
* First WTC bombing not taken seriously by clinton administration.
* Clinton Wouldn't Authorize Osama Bin Laden Kill In 1999
* Bojinka Plot ignored by clinton administration.
* Bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa, that killed 224 ignored by clinton administration.
* Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed with the agency on December 11, 2001 concerning the government of Sudan's reported offer to share intelligence files on bin Laden. (The Clinton administration, of course, rebuffed an offer by Sudanese officials to turn bin Laden over to the U.S.)

* Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. clinton had 8 years.
... so it's alllllll his buuuush's fault.

...Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn't get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious ...

I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.
2013-05-07 09:59:27 AM  
1 vote:

vpb: So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.

He was horrifically ineffective, however.

2013-05-07 09:57:06 AM  
1 vote:
Ahhh, the fun I had as a kid, learning about retorts, extractions, depth charges, and gelled flame fuels from my TM-120 (?) "Improvised Munitions" US Army training manual that I bought for 3 dollars at a military surplus store... along with some chemical+water=flammable gas "toy" cannon, a bayonette (sp), some waterproof fuse,  detonators, erm, I mean camera flash cubes... and jungle cammies... from an adult who didn't ask me any questions at all...

oh.. wait... he did ask me if  I had a penny.   I did.

And I turned out ok.

/Just don't make any sudden moves
2013-05-07 09:49:20 AM  
1 vote:
To be fair, the shooter had the initiative and a sizeable advantage in weaponry, and was mowed down anyway. That's not good publicity for the books.
2013-05-07 09:49:10 AM  
1 vote:
" [Yeager]offered... free Tactical Response
courses to the two officers who survived"

what a monumental douchebag.
2013-05-07 09:28:25 AM  
1 vote:

the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.
2013-05-07 09:28:11 AM  
1 vote:

Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?

I live in ohio and this is the first i'm hearing of it. Googled and found link with dash-cam video. Warning: disturbing. op s-with-ak-47-during-routine-traffic-stop-shocking-video/
2013-05-07 09:26:14 AM  
1 vote:
THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil
2013-05-07 08:55:13 AM  
1 vote:
I'll bet video games were responsible, as well as that devil music.
2013-05-07 08:35:06 AM  
1 vote:
I heard there was an old Wendy's cup in his rear cupholder too.
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