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hej
2013-05-07 10:09:35 AM
The DVD's are almost certainly knock-offs, as the authentic ones don't include instructions to kneel down and shout "kill me".
 
2013-05-07 10:13:32 AM

OnlyM3: Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed with the agency on December 11, 2001 concerning the government of Sudan's reported offer to share intelligence files on bin Laden.


You mean the guy who never worked for the Sudanese government, had lied about knowing...basically everything he had claimed to know, and wasn't in any position to even know where OBL was, let alone hand him over to anyone? (I forget if this was the same guy that pretended to be a big-deal businessman with connections to Arab governments. I also forget if this was Curveball.)

Keep going with that.
 
2013-05-07 10:14:41 AM

OnlyM3: vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM


So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.
* 19 hijackers moved to the USA during clinton administration


akkabaakkkaa balakaka Bush ababaka Clinton blah blahbababa

It's sorta like how greed and politics got together and made paper currency and intellectual property laws.

Then the dinosaurs came.

But they all got too big and fat and died and turned into oil.


Then the arabs came.
and they all bought mercedes benzes.....
 
2013-05-07 10:18:38 AM

Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven


This.
 
2013-05-07 10:19:33 AM

W1N6X3R0: keylock71: RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.

Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.

There's a lot of heresay and ofuscation but there's an imbed of the video in question in this thread.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/15309 9- who-called-yeager-coward.html


Thanks, not sure what I'm looking at in that video, so I'll withhold judgement on whether he's a coward or not, but from his other videos and his own words, I'm pretty confident in saying he's a moron and a reactionary douche bag. : )
 
2013-05-07 10:20:18 AM
The person responsible is dead.  Quit trying to make political hay out of this mess.

Apparently, the book is useless.  He's dead, both cops are alive.
 
2013-05-07 10:22:04 AM

keylock71: W1N6X3R0: keylock71: RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.

Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.

There's a lot of heresay and ofuscation but there's an imbed of the video in question in this thread.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/15309 9- who-called-yeager-coward.html

Thanks, not sure what I'm looking at in that video, so I'll withhold judgement on whether he's a coward or not, but from his other videos and his own words, I'm pretty confident in saying he's a moron and a reactionary douche bag. : )


From my half-assed research there seems to be 2 accounts of what happened. On one hand, he made some mistakes but exited the vehicle to get a better vantage point to fight from. On the other hand, he was a coward and split when shiat got real. Regardless of how you fall on the issue, a bunch of people died and he feels at least partially responsible due to mistakes made.
 
2013-05-07 10:22:45 AM
Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??

firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.


Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs
 
2013-05-07 10:23:23 AM
I never got why people try to extend blame beyond the person who is actually responsible.  How is it ever anyone else's fault but your own for your own actions?
 
2013-05-07 10:24:25 AM

0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.


Then do so.
 
2013-05-07 10:27:04 AM

0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.


You can't very well mow down a classroom full of small children or a move theater audience without a large magazine.
 
2013-05-07 10:27:51 AM
I was actually trying to make self-psyche bolstering, finger-pointing, judgement hay. For that, I do not require any key persons to still be alive.
 
2013-05-07 10:27:58 AM

W1N6X3R0: keylock71: W1N6X3R0: keylock71: RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.

Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.

There's a lot of heresay and ofuscation but there's an imbed of the video in question in this thread.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/15309 9- who-called-yeager-coward.html

Thanks, not sure what I'm looking at in that video, so I'll withhold judgement on whether he's a coward or not, but from his other videos and his own words, I'm pretty confident in saying he's a moron and a reactionary douche bag. : )

From my half-assed research there seems to be 2 accounts of what happened. On one hand, he made some mistakes but exited the vehicle to get a better vantage point to fight from. On the other hand, he was a coward and split when shiat got real. Regardless of how you fall on the issue, a bunch of people died and he feels at least partially responsible due to mistakes made.


Yeah, honestly, the less time I put into thinking about this Tactical Response clown the better, in my opinion... I've never been in a situation like that, so I'm not going to harp on that, but it's people like this guy who give gun owners a bad name and makes me less inclined to self-identify with gun owners even though I've been shooting since I was a kid and own a rifle and a shotgun, myself. They scream about the Government coming to take their guns, but morons like this guy are their own worst enemy.
 
2013-05-07 10:28:39 AM
In Yeagers defense, I have a copy of a TacResp Fighting Rifle handout and it doesn't look anything like that. The front cover has their logo (with the Fist/Glock) and a collage of combat and class pics.
 
2013-05-07 10:33:57 AM

OnlyM3: I guess getting beejay's is more important than national security.


You're goddamn right they are.

I would sell state secrets to China for a quality hummer.
 
2013-05-07 10:34:45 AM

W1N6X3R0: Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?

I live in ohio and this is the first i'm hearing of it. Googled and found link with dash-cam video. Warning: disturbing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/649977/james-gilkerson-opens-fire-on-ohio-c op s-with-ak-47-during-routine-traffic-stop-shocking-video/


Yeah, not to fear, folks.  There was nothing particularly skillful or indicative of training about that guy's shooting.
 
2013-05-07 10:35:22 AM

jaytkay: 0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.

You can't very well mow down a classroom full of small children or a move theater audience without a large magazine.


On the upside, high capacity mags tend to malfunction, like they did in Colorado and Oregon.

So there's that, I guess
 
2013-05-07 10:37:04 AM

The Muthaship: The person responsible is dead.  Quit trying to make political hay out of this mess.

Apparently, the book is useless.  He's dead, both cops are alive.




This, mostly.
Anyone on the Internet has access to similar information. Cop manuals. Swat manuals. Military manuals from various nations. Its all here to be found.
Most of us haven't read any of these sources, just as it doesn't seem like the shooter actually read this book (or took it to heart it he did).

/standing in the the open trying to suppress cops.
/...who had their own guns and high cap mags.
/wherever he got the idea, it was terribly ill advised.
/the only thing he had going for him was the element of surprise.
 
2013-05-07 10:43:45 AM

Joe Blowme: Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.

Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs


I realize you are trolling, but it doesn't sound like Benghazi at all.
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-07 10:44:28 AM

keylock71: W1N6X3R0: keylock71: RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.

Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.

There's a lot of heresay and ofuscation but there's an imbed of the video in question in this thread.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/15309 9- who-called-yeager-coward.html

Thanks, not sure what I'm looking at in that video, so I'll withhold judgement on whether he's a coward or not, but from his other videos and his own words, I'm pretty confident in saying he's a moron and a reactionary douche bag. : )


He has youtube videos where he threatens to maim and kill people who call him a coward, then challenges them to fly to wherever the fark he is and say it to his face. So, yeah. Moron and reactionary douche bag.
 
2013-05-07 10:48:13 AM

jaytkay: You can't very well mow down a classroom full of small children or a move theater audience without a large magazine.


Sure you can. The VA Tech guy did a better job of it than just about anyone else, and wasn't using high capacity mags, or 'assault weapons'. If anything the scary black rifles and and ultra high capacity assault clips that everyone is freaking out about seem to be slowing shooters down.
 
2013-05-07 10:49:54 AM
Clearly, it's time for some common sense restrictions on the First Amendment.  The founding fathers had no idea we would have high capacity assault media when they wrote it, and obviously it was only meant to apply to word of mouth and hand cranked printing presses.

Internet usage should be restricted to those over 18, and access to an ISP should only be allowed after a thorough background check.

Any bloggers, journalists or other small media creators distributors should be subject to a permit system, and those people would have to show a 'need' for such things for authorities to provide a permit under a 'may issue' system.

High capacity media outlets (youtube, facebook, other commercial providers of dangerous videos like this) will have to have a federal license, and keep careful records of everyone they do business with, as well as each individual piece of media they provide to those individuals.  These records will be required to be turned over to the BATFEI (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Information) upon request.

Clearly, this dangerous assault information is turning otherwise harmless Americans into dangerous mass child murdering terrorists.  No decent human being needs access to destructive thoughts.  If we can save just one life, no cost is too high.
 
TWX
2013-05-07 10:50:17 AM

0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.


I'd like to data on ammunition capacity in situations on US soil where a "good guy with a gun" fired the weapon to foil a crime or protect people. I'd like specifically to see that data broken down by training, ie, civilian/civilian-with-training, current law enforcement, retired law enforcement, current military, and retired military.

I expect that in an overwhelming number of cases, either the situation was resolved with less than ten rounds fired by the "good guy with the gun", or else the "good guy with the gun" was neutralized before he fired ten rounds. For civilians without significant, institutionally-mandated training, I expect the numbers to not reflect high capacity as a real benefit for personal defense.

If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.
 
2013-05-07 10:54:14 AM

TheGogmagog: Joe Blowme: Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.

Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs

I realize you are trolling, but it doesn't sound like Benghazi at all.
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That's why it's exactly like Benghazi!

Did I just blow your mind?

Of course I did.
 
2013-05-07 10:57:33 AM

TWX: 0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.

I'd like to data on ammunition capacity in situations on US soil where a "good guy with a gun" fired the weapon to foil a crime or protect people. I'd like specifically to see that data broken down by training, ie, civilian/civilian-with-training, current law enforcement, retired law enforcement, current military, and retired military.

I expect that in an overwhelming number of cases, either the situation was resolved with less than ten rounds fired by the "good guy with the gun", or else the "good guy with the gun" was neutralized before he fired ten rounds. For civilians without significant, institutionally-mandated training, I expect the numbers to not reflect high capacity as a real benefit for personal defense.

If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.


I was pondering the effect if all semi-automatic weapons were banned, even for law enforcement.  Can you hunt with cocking a weapon between shots?  Sure.    Would both bad guys and good guys make sure there shot is going to go where it's instead instead of blindly firing 30 rounds hoping to hit something?  Yes.  At the very least it would cut down on innocent bystander victims.
 
2013-05-07 11:12:15 AM

TWX: If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.


How about you provide the hard data to back up your assertion.
 
2013-05-07 11:17:21 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: TWX: If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.

How about you provide the hard data to back up your assertion.


How about the dude in the video, and that's just for starters.
 
2013-05-07 11:19:29 AM

TWX: 0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.

I'd like to data on ammunition capacity in situations on US soil where a "good guy with a gun" fired the weapon to foil a crime or protect people. I'd like specifically to see that data broken down by training, ie, civilian/civilian-with-training, current law enforcement, retired law enforcement, current military, and retired military.

I expect that in an overwhelming number of cases, either the situation was resolved with less than ten rounds fired by the "good guy with the gun", or else the "good guy with the gun" was neutralized before he fired ten rounds. For civilians without significant, institutionally-mandated training, I expect the numbers to not reflect high capacity as a real benefit for personal defense.

If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.


Quick google search

Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School ofThe average and median number of shots fired was 2. When more than 2 shots were fired, it generally appeared that the defender's Weeners was to fire until empty.

But then you come upon this
According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.  On over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases.


So, while the number of rounds fired is low, which would contribute to the argument for limiting capacity restrictions, the probability of multiple attackers is high which would counter that argument.
 
2013-05-07 11:22:25 AM

MFAWG: How about the dude in the video, and that's just for starters.


The dude in the video proves that your average guy doesn't use more than ten rounds at a time to defend himself?
 
2013-05-07 11:24:28 AM

j__z: it generally appeared that the defender's Weeners was to fire until empty.


haha, Not sure were weeners came from,  "When more than 2 shots were fired, it generally appeared that the defender's Weeners was to fire until empty. '
 
2013-05-07 11:27:55 AM

Joe Blowme: Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.

Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs


I'm not sure why you think that them believing (for a few days) that the protest at Benghazi was the same/related to the other dozen or so protests that were about the film, then appending that to say that they believe the protest was used as a cover by militant groups, constitutes a big cover up. They've been pretty forward about the timeline, about their actions, and about the established facts of the case... the part that you seem bent on is the motives of the terrorists, which I'll happily admit the administration was wrong about at first, but you seem to make it seem like they're still clutching the line that they changed within a couple days after the incident. Investigations take time, and you seem to be really hellbent on first instincts (pretty obvious ones at that) not matching up with outcomes being evidence of a coverup. It just isn't.
 
2013-05-07 11:29:35 AM

MFAWG: 0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.

Then do so.


http://youtu.be/d6NBbaBBjtI

Your statement has been proven wrong
 
2013-05-07 11:29:42 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: MFAWG: How about the dude in the video, and that's just for starters.

The dude in the video proves that your average guy doesn't use more than ten rounds at a time to defend himself?


You said you could disprove my assertion that this guy is a poster child for a ban on high capacity magazines.

Please proceed.
 
2013-05-07 11:31:30 AM

j__z: TWX: 0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.

I'd like to data on ammunition capacity in situations on US soil where a "good guy with a gun" fired the weapon to foil a crime or protect people. I'd like specifically to see that data broken down by training, ie, civilian/civilian-with-training, current law enforcement, retired law enforcement, current military, and retired military.

I expect that in an overwhelming number of cases, either the situation was resolved with less than ten rounds fired by the "good guy with the gun", or else the "good guy with the gun" was neutralized before he fired ten rounds. For civilians without significant, institutionally-mandated training, I expect the numbers to not reflect high capacity as a real benefit for personal defense.

If I am wrong, please provide hard data to prove me otherwise.

Quick google search

Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School ofThe average and median number of shots fired was 2. When more than 2 shots were fired, it generally appeared that the defender's Weeners was to fire until empty.

But then you come upon this
According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.  On over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases.

So, while the number of rounds fired is low, which would contribute to the argument for limiting capacity restrictions, the probability of multiple attackers is high which would counter that argument.


You need 30 rounds for multiple attackers? That's what you're going with?
 
2013-05-07 11:31:54 AM

MFAWG: You said you could disprove my assertion that this guy is a poster child for a ban on high capacity magazines.


I said nothing like that.
 
2013-05-07 11:39:02 AM

0per: Doom MD: MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.

This statement is easily disproven

This.


No friends to the pigs, are you!!!!!!

img.fark.net
 
2013-05-07 11:40:24 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: MFAWG: You said you could disprove my assertion that this guy is a poster child for a ban on high capacity magazines.

I said nothing like that.


You are correct. The other guy seems to have run off.
 
2013-05-07 11:43:32 AM
Just read an article in the local paper about a guy's sentencing for killing his step daughter and seriously wounding his ex-wife. Of course this being Arizona, they buried the totally non-pertinent and obfuscatory fact that he shot the ex-wife with her own gun. http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=7 9 7 &ArticleID=56076&TM=40064.99

/if only her daughter had a gun...
 
2013-05-07 11:47:45 AM
You Gonna
Get Killed

www.rawstory.com
 
2013-05-07 11:58:06 AM

TheGogmagog: Joe Blowme: Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.

Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs

I realize you are trolling, but it doesn't sound like Benghazi at all.
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I was going for the "both were lied about" thing but if you think both were all above board, by all means keep watching honey boo boo

firefly212: Joe Blowme: Personal responsibility, how does it work subby??firefly212: I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.

Sounds alot like the current admin and Benghazi<sp>

"A YOUTUBE VIDEO MADE THEM DO IT"
"SPONTANEOUS PROTEST"... with picinic baskets full of RPGs

I'm not sure why you think that them believing (for a few days) that the protest at Benghazi was the same/related to the other dozen or so protests that were about the film, then appending that to say that they believe the protest was used as a cover by militant groups, constitutes a big cover up. They've been pretty forward about the timeline, about their actions, and about the established facts of the case... the part that you seem bent on is the motives of the terrorists, which I'll happily admit the administration was wrong about at first, but you seem to make it seem like they're still clutching the line that they changed within a couple days after the incident. Investigations take time, and you seem to be really hellbent on first instincts (pretty obvious ones at that) not matching up with outcomes being evidence of a coverup. It just isn't.


Recent information brought forward by those who were on the ground at the time, aka eye witnessess and a Dem rep said talking points about video and protest were "scrubbed" and "false information."
 
2013-05-07 12:02:24 PM

firefly212: They've been pretty forward about the timeline, about their actions, and about the established facts of the case


Yea.... about that
 
2013-05-07 12:24:50 PM

MFAWG: You are correct. The other guy seems to have run off.


No worries. I've done the same thing myself.

/confront the wrong guy, that is. Not run off.
 
2013-05-07 02:03:47 PM

MythDragon: vpb: So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

The same way this book teaches you how to be a hitman?
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The whole thing online


It's one thing to read a book on how to do something. It's an entirely different thing on actualy doing it. Like in the above book where it teaches you that you need to quietly sneak into someone's house to kill them. Well, actualy being able to quietly break into someone's house and sneak up on them isn't something you just do. That takes, like, 2 years of ninja school.

You can read about on how to sniper people and learn about trajectory and angle deflection, and the coriolis effect, but to actualy put a bullet on target from 800 yards takes practice. Hell, even with practice, some people are just lousy shots. And it's apparent he didn't learn how to kill effectively. But the cops who took him out apparently did.



I used their training simulator.
www.imfdb.org

So if I go out and kill someone, does that make IO Interactive and Eidos responsible?
 
2013-05-07 02:05:35 PM
j__z:
Quick google search

Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School ofThe average and median number of shots fired was 2. When more than 2 shots were fired, it generally appeared that the defender's Weeners was to fire until empty.

But then you come upon this
According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.  On over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases.

So, while the number of rounds fired is low, which would contribute to the argument for limiting capacity restrictions, the probability of multi ...


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2013-05-07 02:38:02 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: You Gonna
Get Killed

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I have an overwhelming urge to grab that guy by the goat and slam his face into my knee.  Just to fix his farking broken eyebrows.
 
2013-05-07 03:01:11 PM
Teachers are to blame for teaching him to read so he could train to be a killer.
 
2013-05-07 07:02:19 PM

W1N6X3R0: found link with dash-cam video


I thought the very end was kind of funny:

Well-meaning guy: Are you okay?
Male cop: GET BACK INSIDE, NOW!!
Well-meaning guy: I have a pistol!
Male cop: GET ... (hyperventilating) BACK ....
Female cop: (all business, calling dispatch, ignoring WMG)

Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns? Ha! Good guys with guns run out into the street like flailing idiots brandishing their bang-toys 10 seconds after everything's over. Get down, fool. You're out of your league.
 
2013-05-07 09:22:38 PM
I thought an "ohio shooter" was two battered and deep fried onion disks around a layer of broiled bacon...

why that would have an instructional manual is beyond me.
 
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