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(Talking Points Memo)   Tactical Response would like you to know that just because the Ohio shooter had their training material, doesn't mean he was a student or a customer of theirs. He just....fark, I dunno. WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 98
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM
So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.
 
2013-05-07 08:35:06 AM
I heard there was an old Wendy's cup in his rear cupholder too.
 
2013-05-07 08:51:40 AM

vpb: whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.


Which he failed miserably at... so the training manuals are defective?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:55:07 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: vpb: whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

Which he failed miserably at... so the training manuals are defective?


Apparently.  I am sure a chapter on cop killing tactics will be added soon.  It would make it more relevant to the target audience anyway.
 
2013-05-07 08:55:13 AM
I'll bet video games were responsible, as well as that devil music.
 
2013-05-07 09:09:27 AM
This moron again?

"Sure, I threatened to kill people because of politics, but I totally support law enforcement."


Dipshiat.
 
2013-05-07 09:23:50 AM
That is clearly a bootleg DVD. Unless Tactical Response's publisher is a storefront in Chinatown.
 
2013-05-07 09:24:03 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: vpb: whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

Which he failed miserably at... so the training manuals are defective?


On the video I saw, he basically kneels down and says kill me. Did you see something else?
 
2013-05-07 09:24:24 AM
I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?
 
2013-05-07 09:24:54 AM
The only way to stop a bad man with a book is to quit teaching kids to read.
 
2013-05-07 09:26:07 AM
Gilkerson died in a shootout with two police officers in Ohio, emerging from his car firing a AK-47 rifle after being pulled over for running a stop sign.

Must be pretty shiatty course material...
 
2013-05-07 09:26:14 AM
THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil
 
2013-05-07 09:28:08 AM
Another farking gun thread.

/DRINK
 
2013-05-07 09:28:11 AM

Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?


I live in ohio and this is the first i'm hearing of it. Googled and found link with dash-cam video. Warning: disturbing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/649977/james-gilkerson-opens-fire-on-ohio-c op s-with-ak-47-during-routine-traffic-stop-shocking-video/
 
2013-05-07 09:28:25 AM

the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil


The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.
 
2013-05-07 09:28:37 AM

serial_crusher: I heard there was an old Wendy's cup in his rear cupholder too.


He ran that stop sign because he just downed a large chili.
 
2013-05-07 09:29:16 AM
This farkin' guy again? fark.
 
2013-05-07 09:31:30 AM
I came for tactical facepalm meme,leaving disappointed.
 
2013-05-07 09:32:05 AM

Headso: Gilkerson died in a shootout with two police officers in Ohio, emerging from his car firing a AK-47 rifle after being pulled over for running a stop sign.

Must be pretty shiatty course material...


I bet as it happened the last thoughts going through his head was, "Huh, this isn't slow-motion like I saw in the movie-BLAM."
 
2013-05-07 09:33:41 AM

Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?



I guess I wasn't paying much attention to the news lately, either, since I had to google the perp's name to learn about this.

Best headline in the search results -- "Gunman who fired at Middlefield police said to oppose authority".
 
2013-05-07 09:34:17 AM

Bloody William: Headso: Gilkerson died in a shootout with two police officers in Ohio, emerging from his car firing a AK-47 rifle after being pulled over for running a stop sign.

Must be pretty shiatty course material...

I bet as it happened the last thoughts going through his head was, "Huh, this isn't slow-motion like I saw in the movie-BLAM."


That dude could have killed BOTH of those cops if he'd kept advancing and firing. Instead, he backs up, throws the gun up and says 'Kill me'.
 
2013-05-07 09:35:03 AM

W1N6X3R0: Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?

I live in ohio and this is the first i'm hearing of it. Googled and found link with dash-cam video. Warning: disturbing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/649977/james-gilkerson-opens-fire-on-ohio-c op s-with-ak-47-during-routine-traffic-stop-shocking-video/


Holy shiat.  I guess that is what cops mean when anything can happen at a traffic stop...
 
2013-05-07 09:38:47 AM

W1N6X3R0: Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?

I live in ohio and this is the first i'm hearing of it. Googled and found link with dash-cam video. Warning: disturbing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/649977/james-gilkerson-opens-fire-on-ohio-c op s-with-ak-47-during-routine-traffic-stop-shocking-video/


Let it not be said that the male officer stopped firing until the threat was neutralized.  12 of that last magazine at least went into center of mass.

MFAWG: On the video I saw, he basically kneels down and says kill me. Did you see something else?


Well that was after spraying the cruiser with bullets and shooting one of the officers.  It was odd that he was crying for death while shooting at the officers, and then crouched to reload.  I definitely feel safer knowing we have those types of weapons at every white person's disposal.
 
2013-05-07 09:38:48 AM
Tactical Response:
We're not Homicidal Militia Nutjobs, just #1 with Homicidal Militia Nutjobs .
 
2013-05-07 09:40:17 AM

phaseolus: Chabash: I don't recall an ohio shooter, anyone have a link to the original thread?


I guess I wasn't paying much attention to the news lately, either, since I had to google the perp's name to learn about this.

Best headline in the search results -- "Gunman who fired at Middlefield police said to oppose authority".


Danke
 
2013-05-07 09:40:42 AM
MFAWG: On the video I saw, he basically kneels down and says kill me. Did you see something else?

Well that was after spraying the cruiser with bullets and shooting one of the officers.  It was odd that he was crying for death while shooting at the officers, and then crouched to reload.  I definitely feel safer knowing we have those types of weapons at every white person's disposal.


I"m not in a huge hurry to watch it again, but from what i can tell, it seemed like he was ready to make his stand but was struck and realized he didn't have it in him so he surrendered. Flight won over fight way too late.
 
2013-05-07 09:41:41 AM
From Ohio with a Cert in CQC from High Risk Training and getting a kick...
 
2013-05-07 09:42:22 AM

WTFDYW: Another farking gun thread.

/DRINK


The Nu-Perfect FARK.COM
All gun threads, all the time.
 
2013-05-07 09:49:10 AM
" [Yeager]offered... free Tactical Response
courses to the two officers who survived"

what a monumental douchebag.
 
2013-05-07 09:49:20 AM
To be fair, the shooter had the initiative and a sizeable advantage in weaponry, and was mowed down anyway. That's not good publicity for the books.
 
2013-05-07 09:49:32 AM
FTFA: "We do not support any kind of militia movement or anything like that."


Sooooooo... he hates the 2nd Amendment?
 
2013-05-07 09:51:26 AM
That video is going to haunt me every time I drive past a car that has been pulled over.  We live in a scary farking country.
 
2013-05-07 09:52:11 AM
Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.
 
2013-05-07 09:53:39 AM
 
2013-05-07 09:55:58 AM

RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.


No way!?
 
2013-05-07 09:57:06 AM
Ahhh, the fun I had as a kid, learning about retorts, extractions, depth charges, and gelled flame fuels from my TM-120 (?) "Improvised Munitions" US Army training manual that I bought for 3 dollars at a military surplus store... along with some chemical+water=flammable gas "toy" cannon, a bayonette (sp), some waterproof fuse,  detonators, erm, I mean camera flash cubes... and jungle cammies... from an adult who didn't ask me any questions at all...

oh.. wait... he did ask me if  I had a penny.   I did.

And I turned out ok.

/Just don't make any sudden moves
 
2013-05-07 09:58:07 AM

liquidlen: Here's the video I meant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yid9qG30II8


Mods may want to put a NSFW warning. It is pretty loud, violent, and stomach turning.
 
2013-05-07 09:59:27 AM

vpb: So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.


He was horrifically ineffective, however.

.
 
2013-05-07 10:00:12 AM
Wow... just saw that video.

farking scum bag got what he had coming. Bravo to the cops for taking care of the situation quickly.

Something tells me they don't need any free courses from the "Tactical Response" douche bag.
 
2013-05-07 10:00:23 AM

vpb: So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.


The same way this book teaches you how to be a hitman?
upload.wikimedia.org
The whole thing online


It's one thing to read a book on how to do something. It's an entirely different thing on actualy doing it. Like in the above book where it teaches you that you need to quietly sneak into someone's house to kill them. Well, actualy being able to quietly break into someone's house and sneak up on them isn't something you just do. That takes, like, 2 years of ninja school.

You can read about on how to sniper people and learn about trajectory and angle deflection, and the coriolis effect, but to actualy put a bullet on target from 800 yards takes practice. Hell, even with practice, some people are just lousy shots. And it's apparent he didn't learn how to kill effectively. But the cops who took him out apparently did.
 
2013-05-07 10:00:43 AM

Whole Wheat: liquidlen: Here's the video I meant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yid9qG30II8

Mods may want to put a NSFW warning. It is pretty loud, violent, and stomach turning.


Thank you.  I'm having a negligent day, apologies.
 
2013-05-07 10:02:01 AM

RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.


Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.
 
2013-05-07 10:02:53 AM
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM


So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.

* 19 hijackers moved to the USA during clinton administration
* Hijackers trained to fly but not land planes in the the USA during clinton administration
* Clinton Administration warned of islamists learning to fly but not land planes.
* osama b.l. set free when the clinton administration refused to accept the then captured terrorist.
* A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.
* First WTC bombing not taken seriously by clinton administration.
* Clinton Wouldn't Authorize Osama Bin Laden Kill In 1999
* Bojinka Plot ignored by clinton administration.
* Bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa, that killed 224 ignored by clinton administration.
* Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed with the agency on December 11, 2001 concerning the government of Sudan's reported offer to share intelligence files on bin Laden. (The Clinton administration, of course, rebuffed an offer by Sudanese officials to turn bin Laden over to the U.S.)

* Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. clinton had 8 years.
... so it's alllllll his buuuush's fault.


...Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn't get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.


I guess getting beejay's is more important than national security.


// not defending bush, he is an idiot, and was a terrible president but to put the blame for 9/11 on his shoulders after the incompetency of the prior administration, is as stupid as the "birth-ers"
 
2013-05-07 10:05:12 AM

keylock71: RINO: Yeah, fark this guy. This is the same guy who was working for a PMC in Iraq, ran the fark away. His convoy was ambushed, he threw the car into neutral, then bailed out and fled without saying a word to the car's other occupants. I wonder if any of his "training videos" instruct viewers to disable their own vehicles and leave companions to die.

Really? Is there a link for that?

I mean it sounds about right for these Rambo wannabe types, but I'd love to get that confirmed.


There's a lot of heresay and ofuscation but there's an imbed of the video in question in this thread. 
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/15309 9- who-called-yeager-coward.html
 
2013-05-07 10:06:02 AM
If only there had been a good guy with an AK 47 in the car also this never would have happened.
 
2013-05-07 10:06:10 AM

liquidlen: Whole Wheat: liquidlen: Here's the video I meant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yid9qG30II8

Mods may want to put a NSFW warning. It is pretty loud, violent, and stomach turning.

Thank you.  I'm having a negligent day, apologies.


Sorry for being a pansy, but I work in a pansy organization.

Thanks for the vid though!
 
2013-05-07 10:06:40 AM

OnlyM3: vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-07 08:32:13 AM


So, no connection apart from the whole teaching him how to kill people effectively thing.

It's kind of like how Bush kept us safe except for the tiny little 9/11 thing.
* 19 hijackers moved to the USA during clinton administration
* Hijackers trained to fly but not land planes in the the USA during clinton administration
* Clinton Administration warned of islamists learning to fly but not land planes.
* osama b.l. set free when the clinton administration refused to accept the then captured terrorist.
* A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.
* First WTC bombing not taken seriously by clinton administration.
* Clinton Wouldn't Authorize Osama Bin Laden Kill In 1999
* Bojinka Plot ignored by clinton administration.
* Bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa, that killed 224 ignored by clinton administration.
* Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed with the agency on December 11, 2001 concerning the government of Sudan's reported offer to share intelligence files on bin Laden. (The Clinton administration, of course, rebuffed an offer by Sudanese officials to turn bin Laden over to the U.S.)

* Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. clinton had 8 years.
... so it's alllllll his buuuush's fault.


...Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn't get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious ...


I would be easier on Bush for 9/11, but it was his party that railed about how terrorists weren't a real threat and Clinton was just wagging the dog when he sent some lovely cruise missiles to Sudan and Afghanistan to retaliate against Al Qaeda. The idea that cruise missiles were a "law enforcement" solution seems entirely divorced from reality.
 
2013-05-07 10:08:08 AM

OnlyM3: *words*


Jeez man, you still cry so hard about it you have a cut&paste of your mythology ready to roll. Stop trying so hard to rewrite history, Bush owns 9/11.
 
2013-05-07 10:09:08 AM
Holy shiat, is someone really blaming Clinton for 9/11?

lololol. That's even more retarded than thinking this handbook turns you into a soldier.
 
2013-05-07 10:09:22 AM

MFAWG: the_foo: THIS JUST IN...some skills can be used for both good and evil

The guy is a poster child for a ban on extended magazines. Nobody is using a 30 or 100 round magazine for good.


This statement is easily disproven
 
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