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2013-05-07 08:17:26 AM  
this would actually be a pretty cool photoshop contest....
 
2013-05-07 08:51:06 AM  
There is a lot of Windows going on today in the ol' Geek tab.
 
2013-05-07 09:01:39 AM  

LasersHurt: There is a lot of Windows going on today in the ol' Geek tab.


Well if Canonical or RedHat waved a bundle of cash I'm sure it'd be a Linux heavy day.

It's kinda sad that there isn't some major innovation in OS architecture & design.   For all the ire that Metro catches it is still just another presentation layer on top of the ancient (and battle tested, credit where it's due) NT codebase.

It'd be nice to have a techie thread you can really get your teeth in to sometimes.
 
2013-05-07 09:02:10 AM  
images.fastcompany.com
 
2013-05-07 09:09:12 AM  
It sounds more like what was once called a service pack but I guess they can charge people if they claim it's a new version of Windows.
 
2013-05-07 09:09:18 AM  
Well Windows 8 is pretty cubist
 
2013-05-07 09:10:28 AM  

jbtilley: It sounds more like what was once called a service pack but I guess they can charge people if they claim it's a new version of Windows.


I think it IS just a service pack. They're calling it Blue as a codename, but I think previous updates had codenames too. Could be wrong.
 
2013-05-07 09:13:59 AM  

jbtilley: It sounds more like what was once called a service pack but I guess they can charge people if they claim it's a new version of Windows.


So like what apple does with OSX updates?

I honestly don't mind if we get OSX style updates for Windows as long as the price is reasonable.
 
2013-05-07 09:17:32 AM  

LasersHurt: I think it IS just a service pack. They're calling it Blue as a codename, but I think previous updates had codenames too. Could be wrong.


My understanding was that Microsoft have gone to a 12 month release cycle for Windows.  So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.

Why Microsoft think a 12 month release schedule is going to work for their particular product I'm not totally sure... it doesn't even really work for Apple and OS X; people regularly skip every other version.
 
2013-05-07 09:18:16 AM  
i830.photobucket.com

Take THAT, Guernica!
 
2013-05-07 09:18:36 AM  
I loved the bought and paid for marketing analyst biatching the other day about how it was all retails fault that Windows 8 was failing.

"There exists a massive disconnect between what consumers want to and need to know about the latest generation of PCs" and what retailers did, and continue to do, to sell those PCs," Moorhead argued

Shut up. Microsoft thought they could force a desktop upgrade cycle by putting spit, polish, and Metro onto Windows 7, under the guise of "One OS" and trying to be like Apple, and it's going down in flames. And the irony is that yes, this would have been relatively successful if they had just given users the option of going back to the traditional desktop/Start Menu from the beginning. So now we're there anyway, and once again they have to try and trick users into thinking they're getting something unique and different by throwing in a silly name change, instead of just outright admitting they made a mistake.

Windows 7 is solid and good, and Microsoft would have had a nice 7-8 year run with it similar to XP, if they just would have let things take their course. But they had to have that 18 month upgrade cycle and now it's a complete shiat-pile.
 
2013-05-07 09:19:45 AM  

Vaneshi: So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.


No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.
 
2013-05-07 09:20:46 AM  
Among the feedback Microsoft is rumored to have listened to is customers' desire to bring back the Start button.

I really hope that's not the message they're getting. The fundamental problem here isn't that the Start button went away, it's that what replaced it is garbage as a keyboard-and-mouse driven interface. I don't necessarily care if the Start menu comes back. What I want is for the Start screen to go away or become useful.

It's not that the Start menu is some great modern interface beloved by all, it's that it's still superior to the clusterfark they handed consumers when they took it away.

They took away our Honda Civic and gave us Yugo. That doesn't mean I'd rather have the Civic back. I'd rather you gave me the BMW you were originally promising. I only want the Civic back if you can't or won't do that.
 
2013-05-07 09:20:58 AM  

Vaneshi: LasersHurt: I think it IS just a service pack. They're calling it Blue as a codename, but I think previous updates had codenames too. Could be wrong.

My understanding was that Microsoft have gone to a 12 month release cycle for Windows.  So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.

Why Microsoft think a 12 month release schedule is going to work for their particular product I'm not totally sure... it doesn't even really work for Apple and OS X; people regularly skip every other version.


I got the impression from "The new version of Windows is codenamed Windows Blue, and is expected to essentially be an iterative update (think: Windows 8.1, not Windows 9). " You're right, though, they did say they were going to go to a yearly update cycle. We'll see what happens here.
 
2013-05-07 09:21:02 AM  
mokinokaro:

So like what apple does with OSX updates?

Service Packs for OS X cost the same as Service Packs for Windows: £0.

Now if you're going to pull the version numbering thing out and try that one I'm afraid I must point out this:

You paid for NT5.  You paid for NT5.1 as well.   That's Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP respectively   I also believe that Vista, 7 and 8 all have the same major NT version (6, 6.1 & 6.2)?
 
2013-05-07 09:22:11 AM  
The removal of the start button is just a distraction. When MS bring it back as planned, half of the plebs will forget the real issue is the farked up Interface Formerly Known As Metro.
 
2013-05-07 09:27:33 AM  

RexTalionis: No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.


Interesting.  I'm suggesting it's probable.  You are flat out denying.   Unless you have a TARDIS or a certain modified car (or steam train)... you've zero way of knowing that.  Irrespective of your employer I should add because even if you are a Microsoft employee you aren't making those decisions.

Do you have either of those 3 time travel machines at your disposal?
 
2013-05-07 09:29:10 AM  

Bob Down: The removal of the start button is just a distraction. When MS bring it back as planned, half of the plebs will forget the real issue is the farked up Interface Formerly Known As Metro.


I really do not understand their insistence on trying to cram this down people's throats. It's a very Apple-esque "you'll like whatever the fark I tell you to like" attitude and I don't think Microsoft has the emotional attachment of its customers to get away with that.

I think they seriously overestimated their hand in this venture. It's not like the old days when people just bought a computer regardless of what Microsoft OS was on it. In the days of thin clients, BYOD and high-density virtualization business has a lot of options for desktop delivery besides Microsoft which can cut a little into the desktop licensing and Joe Six Pack consumers are clearly ignoring them in favor of Android and iOS devices.

The other thing that's weird is that Microsoft actually started to be much more responsive to its customers over the last decade or so and was a lot more receptive to feedback than they were prior to the NT kernel days. This insistence on trying to force Metro is a complete 180 from that position, it seems.
 
2013-05-07 09:30:30 AM  
LasersHurt:
I got the impression from "The new version of Windows is codenamed Windows Blue, and is expected to essentially be an iterative update (think: Windows 8.1, not Windows 9). " You're right, though, they did say they were going to go to a yearly update cycle. We'll see what happens here.

When you go just by NT versions numbers  XP was an iterative update of Win2k (5.1 and 5 respectively  and the current line from Vista to 8 are all NT6.x I believe.   The article isn't really that clear if they are using 8.1 as a shorthand for Win8SP1 or we're looking at the difference between 2k and XP.
 
2013-05-07 09:37:47 AM  

Vaneshi: RexTalionis: No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.

Interesting.  I'm suggesting it's probable.  You are flat out denying.   Unless you have a TARDIS or a certain modified car (or steam train)... you've zero way of knowing that.  Irrespective of your employer I should add because even if you are a Microsoft employee you aren't making those decisions.

Do you have either of those 3 time travel machines at your disposal?


I dunno. I listen to Windows Weekly on twit.tv every week with Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley, who are pretty accurate when it comes to Windows News (Mary Joe Foley broke the Windows Blue news since the Windows 8 launch - that's almost 6 months ago, before anybody else). Paul Thurrott is the editor in chief of the Supersite for Windows. Mary Jo Foley is the editor of the All About Microsoft site for ZDNet. Between the two of them, they've been reporting on Microsoft for 30 years.

If they say that it's not Windows 9, but rather an iterative update to Windows 8, then I trust them and then information they bring.

Back up your sources who say that it's going to be Windows 9.
 
2013-05-07 09:50:26 AM  

Vaneshi: RexTalionis: No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.

Interesting.  I'm suggesting it's probable.  You are flat out denying.   Unless you have a TARDIS or a certain modified car (or steam train)... you've zero way of knowing that.  Irrespective of your employer I should add because even if you are a Microsoft employee you aren't making those decisions.

Do you have either of those 3 time travel machines at your disposal?


http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-blue-looks-to-be-named-windo ws -8-1-7000013391/

From Mary Jo Foley:
"Summary: The Windows Blue operating system update is likely to be named "Windows 8.1" when it hits later this summer, according to sources.

The client version of Blue, codenamed Windows Blue, is a refresh of Windows 8. It is expected to be released to manufacturing around August of this year. As I've blogged a few times, Microsoft is planning to position Blue as part of the Windows 8 wave, not as Windows 9."

You see, Vaneshi, I have very little time for idiots, and I don't respond well to them.

If you disagree with me, I'm all for reasonable discussion. But, if you herp and derp, I'm more than prepared to beat you with superior knowledge.
 
2013-05-07 09:51:46 AM  
cdn-static.zdnet.com

Note the line that says Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro. This is from the Windows Blue test build.
 
2013-05-07 10:00:39 AM  

Vaneshi: Interesting. I'm suggesting it's probable. You are flat out denying.


You aren't suggesting anything. You said that it IS going to be Windows 9. You were only suggesting that it's likely that it would be a paid upgrade. Did you forget your own words already?

Vaneshi: So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.

 
2013-05-07 10:00:47 AM  

RexTalionis: Note the line that says Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro. This is from the Windows Blue test build.


The kernel version goes to 6.3 though (8 was 6.2, 7 was 6.1 and Vista was 6.0). That suggests it's actually "Windows 9" but named "Windows 8.1".
 
2013-05-07 10:01:59 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: [images.fastcompany.com image 620x267]


Is that an ad for an escort service?
 
2013-05-07 10:03:50 AM  

RexTalionis: If you disagree with me, I'm all for reasonable discussion. But, if you herp and derp, I'm more than prepared to beat you with superior knowledge.


Price point.  You haven't covered that.  I stated it won't be free.  YOU HAVE.

Back it up or surrender the field.

One shot and one only, take it.
 
2013-05-07 10:09:15 AM  

Vaneshi: RexTalionis: If you disagree with me, I'm all for reasonable discussion. But, if you herp and derp, I'm more than prepared to beat you with superior knowledge.

Price point.  You haven't covered that.  I stated it won't be free.  YOU HAVE.

Back it up or surrender the field.

One shot and one only, take it.


Find me where I said that it will be free. Seriously, find a single place where I said it will be free.

Here's all the posts I've made so far:

RexTalionis: No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.


RexTalionis: I dunno. I listen to Windows Weekly on twit.tv every week with Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley, who are pretty accurate when it comes to Windows News (Mary Joe Foley broke the Windows Blue news since the Windows 8 launch - that's almost 6 months ago, before anybody else). Paul Thurrott is the editor in chief of the Supersite for Windows. Mary Jo Foley is the editor of the All About Microsoft site for ZDNet. Between the two of them, they've been reporting on Microsoft for 30 years.

If they say that it's not Windows 9, but rather an iterative update to Windows 8, then I trust them and then information they bring.

Back up your sources who say that it's going to be Windows 9.


RexTalionis: From Mary Jo Foley:
"Summary: The Windows Blue operating system update is likely to be named "Windows 8.1" when it hits later this summer, according to sources.

The client version of Blue, codenamed Windows Blue, is a refresh of Windows 8. It is expected to be released to manufacturing around August of this year. As I've blogged a few times, Microsoft is planning to position Blue as part of the Windows 8 wave, not as Windows 9."

You see, Vaneshi, I have very little time for idiots, and I don't respond well to them.

If you disagree with me, I'm all for reasonable discussion. But, if you herp and derp, I'm more than prepared to beat you with superior knowledge.


RexTalionis: You aren't suggesting anything. You said that it IS going to be Windows 9. You were only suggesting that it's likely that it would be a paid upgrade. Did you forget your own words already?


These are all the posts I've made in this thread not counting this one.

WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS FREE?
 
2013-05-07 10:11:37 AM  

RexTalionis: Take THAT, Guernica!


Oh, and I forgot that post. Did I post something about the price point in there, Vaneshi?
 
2013-05-07 10:13:23 AM  

skozlaw: RexTalionis: Note the line that says Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro. This is from the Windows Blue test build.

The kernel version goes to 6.3 though (8 was 6.2, 7 was 6.1 and Vista was 6.0). That suggests it's actually "Windows 9" but named "Windows 8.1".


Which would also follow with the "iterative update" aspect mentioned.  However, Rex seems to attempting to argue that it will, in actuality, be a free Service Pack for Windows 8.    I am arguing it won't, it'll be a paid upgrade similar to NT5.1 was to NT5 which near as damn it makes it a separate flavour of Windows whilst still being a derivative of the original NT6.0 codebase (as indicated by its internal versioning number and as I've stated is not necessarily a bad thing).

It's amusing he's throwing out beta screenies of Blue showing it calling itself 8.1 as Vista's very same screens (or at least it's version of them) called the OS "Longhorn".    It's what the final RTM build calls itself that'll give us its definitive name; which as it stands could be "Blue" or "8.1" or indeed something else to be determined at a later date.
 
2013-05-07 10:14:23 AM  

skozlaw: RexTalionis: Note the line that says Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro. This is from the Windows Blue test build.

The kernel version goes to 6.3 though (8 was 6.2, 7 was 6.1 and Vista was 6.0). That suggests it's actually "Windows 9" but named "Windows 8.1".


That's a fair point, but we weren't discussing the kernel numbers, merely whether it's considered by Microsoft to be Windows 8.1 or Windows 9. The naming of the thing is an arbitrary measure, especially considering that Microsoft skips around a lot.
 
2013-05-07 10:14:56 AM  
RexTalionis: the splurging derp of a paid marketer.

*clickclick* BOOM

You missed.  That was your one shot.

I said it was going to be a paid upgrade and not a service pack.  You said it wasn't.
 
2013-05-07 10:15:53 AM  

Vaneshi: However, Rex seems to attempting to argue that it will, in actuality, be a free Service Pack for Windows 8.


My god, you are a moron. I never said it was a free service pack. I merely said it was an iterative update to Windows 8. I'm sorry that your English teachers apparently failed you as a child.
 
2013-05-07 10:17:48 AM  

skozlaw: RexTalionis: Note the line that says Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro. This is from the Windows Blue test build.

The kernel version goes to 6.3 though (8 was 6.2, 7 was 6.1 and Vista was 6.0). That suggests it's actually "Windows 9" but named "Windows 8.1".


The kernel version is 6.x in name only because too many programs incorrectly rely on it being 6.x and will break if they change it. That's why 7 is so much better than Vista but only Version 6.1. Source: Windows Vista Team Blog
 
2013-05-07 10:20:31 AM  

RexTalionis: That's a fair point, but we weren't discussing the kernel numbers, merely whether it's considered by Microsoft to be Windows 8.1 or Windows 9. The naming of the thing is an arbitrary measure, especially considering that Microsoft skips around a lot.


I have no idea what they'll eventually actually name it (because 8.1, if history is any indication, probably isn't it), but I'd be surprised if this wasn't actually a "new" operating system along the lines of the Vista -> 7 path. It's too early to say for certain, obviously, but if I had to take a stab at it I'd say it's going to simply replace Windows 8 on store shelves to try and pick up lagging sales while an SP is released for Windows 8 that effectively makes it the same OS.

At least I hope. It sure would be a giant middle finger to all the people that bought 8 if they suddenly released a whole new version and basically left that tiny number of people hanging out there with the "classic" Windows 8.
 
2013-05-07 10:24:28 AM  

skozlaw: I have no idea what they'll eventually actually name it (because 8.1, if history is any indication, probably isn't it), but I'd be surprised if this wasn't actually a "new" operating system along the lines of the Vista -> 7 path. It's too early to say for certain, obviously, but if I had to take a stab at it I'd say it's going to simply replace Windows 8 on store shelves to try and pick up lagging sales while an SP is released for Windows 8 that effectively makes it the same OS.


Microsoft Execs have said that they don't intend to swap out Windows 8 within a year, so I think it's highly likely it will still be called Windows 8.1 when it launches.
 
2013-05-07 10:24:53 AM  

Vaneshi: RexTalionis: the splurging derp of a paid marketer.

*clickclick* BOOM

You missed.  That was your one shot.

I said it was going to be a paid upgrade and not a service pack.  You said it wasn't.


I'm imagining you gasping for air through a massive hole in your chest where he hit you dead center as you say that. Rex never said anything about cost, he even compiled all his posts for easy reference!
 
2013-05-07 10:30:18 AM  

skozlaw: At least I hope. It sure would be a giant middle finger to all the people that bought 8 if they suddenly released a whole new version and basically left that tiny number of people hanging out there with the "classic" Windows 8.


I think must be in the minority, because I actually like "classic" Windows 8 without mods like Start8 or RetroUI to bring the Start Button back.
 
2013-05-07 10:30:51 AM  

Tobin_Lam: The kernel version is 6.x in name only because too many programs incorrectly rely on it being 6.x


The fact that they didn't increase it to 7.0 is irrelevant. The point is that they still increase the NT version number on significant releases instead of SPs so that applications can distinguish between major revisions. The blog entry even says as much.
 
2013-05-07 10:34:06 AM  
Tobin_Lam:
The kernel version is 6.x in name only because too many programs incorrectly rely on it being 6.x and will break if they change it. That's why 7 is so much better than Vista but only Version 6.1. Source: Windows Vista Team Blog

Or more logically it's a branch built from the same codebase.  Which most techies would be quite fine with, understand perfectly and is just "the way things are done".   However... the general public not knowing that this is just the way things are done and discovering that Win7 has a LOT in common with the 'hated' Vista...  may not go down so well.

Hence a lot of noise distancing the two siblings.  Articles like that are aimed more at them than they are techies.
 
2013-05-07 10:43:30 AM  
Windows 98SE
 
2013-05-07 10:47:39 AM  
Tobin_Lam:
I'm imagining you gasping for air through a massive hole in your chest where he hit you dead center as you say that. Rex never said anything about cost, he even compiled all his posts for easy reference!

If only, it'd be nice to have a decent dance.   Unfortunately he decided to go dump his marketing material far to early on in the dance which made it highly avoidable.

If it's a service pack, it'll be free.  If it's another version of Windows that'll go up for sale: it won't.  We can call that new release whatever we like and terming it "Blue" or "Win9" is a simple way of differentiating it from what would be "Win8SP1" or "Service Pack 1 for Windows 8" so as to avoid confusion between the two until such time as it is given it's official release name (Longhorn became Vista, Chicago became Windows 95 and so on).

Now as to Microsoft charging for an actual service pack a) I wouldn't put it past them at this point and b) who knows, because neither he nor you (or indeed myself) do.

He wanted to make out he's the fountain of all knowledge.  He isn't.  Because the only people who would be able to tell you if it's a SP1 or "Win9" won't post on Fark.  Because they'll get fired.  From Microsoft.
 
2013-05-07 10:51:03 AM  

RexTalionis: I think must be in the minority


Well... based on the last available numbers adoption rates have lagged behind Vista to date and Vista was, ultimately, a flop. And some portion of those who have adopted have modified it.

And, anecdotal, I can say myself and my cohorts all pretty universally either dislike it or are at least ambivalent about it. Myself and the other two admins have to use 8 Pro or we lose some significant management features, particularly in Hyper-V, and our helpdesk uses it. Initially I approached it with the attitude that I didn't like it but I'd probably get used to it, but as time has gone on I've actually grown to outright hate it. The other admins don't hate it to the extent I do but they still preferred 7.

The helpdesk people don't like it because the start screen slows them down and the type to search has a bad habit of not finding what you're looking for or finding the Windows App version of something instead of the traditional application (especially problematic when searching for various settings applets as they're wont to do).

I'd say you're definitely in the minority. At the very least it looks like a large number of consumers and businesses just aren't seeing value in an upgrade at all.

Like I said in the other thread, though, even without the messed up GUI, I'm not sure the value would be there to adopt 8 when support for 7 will certainly last well into the next major release anyway.
 
2013-05-07 10:54:10 AM  

Vaneshi: Tobin_Lam:
I'm imagining you gasping for air through a massive hole in your chest where he hit you dead center as you say that. Rex never said anything about cost, he even compiled all his posts for easy reference!

If only, it'd be nice to have a decent dance.   Unfortunately he decided to go dump his marketing material far to early on in the dance which made it highly avoidable.

If it's a service pack, it'll be free.  If it's another version of Windows that'll go up for sale: it won't.  We can call that new release whatever we like and terming it "Blue" or "Win9" is a simple way of differentiating it from what would be "Win8SP1" or "Service Pack 1 for Windows 8" so as to avoid confusion between the two until such time as it is given it's official release name (Longhorn became Vista, Chicago became Windows 95 and so on).

Now as to Microsoft charging for an actual service pack a) I wouldn't put it past them at this point and b) who knows, because neither he nor you (or indeed myself) do.

He wanted to make out he's the fountain of all knowledge.  He isn't.  Because the only people who would be able to tell you if it's a SP1 or "Win9" won't post on Fark.  Because they'll get fired.  From Microsoft.


He didn't say it was going to be a service pack. No one but you is saying that. You're the one that turned "iterative update" into "service pack." You've lost and now you're grasping at straws.
 
2013-05-07 10:54:22 AM  

Vaneshi: If it's a service pack, it'll be free.


I didn't call it a service pack, either. You did. I called it an iterative update.
 
2013-05-07 10:56:30 AM  

Vaneshi: He wanted to make out he's the fountain of all knowledge. He isn't. Because the only people who would be able to tell you if it's a SP1 or "Win9" won't post on Fark. Because they'll get fired. From Microsoft.


And yet, they'll gladly tell reporters like Mary Jo Foley that it's going to be Windows 8.1 and not Windows 9, despite the fact that they'll apparently get fired.
 
2013-05-07 11:17:20 AM  
Still, I hope they release this as a SP.  I'd much rather not go through installing Windows all over again, especially considering that most of the proposed changes are minor.  To reiterate, I just installed Win 8 on my wife's computer.  I DO NOT want to go through the whole installation process again just to get at some fixes to a few Win 8 nits.  How some of this stuff made it through the initial user trials tests is beyond me, trying to create a custom metro tile (using my own picture, not a program icon) was one of the first things I tried to do.

And a yearly update model?  People are still running Windows XP and they want to move to a yearly release model?
 
2013-05-07 11:23:27 AM  

Vaneshi: LasersHurt: I think it IS just a service pack. They're calling it Blue as a codename, but I think previous updates had codenames too. Could be wrong.

My understanding was that Microsoft have gone to a 12 month release cycle for Windows.  So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.

Why Microsoft think a 12 month release schedule is going to work for their particular product I'm not totally sure... it doesn't even really work for Apple and OS X; people regularly skip every other version.


It's a better model for the tablet and phone markets they're trying to break into. They'd have to be insane to try and sell people $200 OS updates for tablets.
 
2013-05-07 11:45:28 AM  

RexTalionis: Vaneshi: So 'Blue' is going to be Win9 which makes it highly likely it'll be a paid upgrade not a simple service pack to Win8 you can download for free.

No, it isn't. Even if it's on a 12 month release cycle, that doesn't mean it's on a 12 month release cycle for major iterations. It's more like Windows 8.1.


More like Windows98SE.

I'm sort of excited to see if they fixed everything disappointing with 8, but we'll see if I either pick up a touchscreen tablet or am excited enough to upgrade from 7 @home (consider I only upgraded from XP due to a hard drive failure).
 
2013-05-07 12:10:01 PM  

jbtilley: Still, I hope they release this as a SP. I'd much rather not go through installing Windows all over again, especially considering that most of the proposed changes are minor. To reiterate, I just installed Win 8 on my wife's computer. I DO NOT want to go through the whole installation process again just to get at some fixes to a few Win 8 nits. How some of this stuff made it through the initial user trials tests is beyond me, trying to create a custom metro tile (using my own picture, not a program icon) was one of the first things I tried to do.


I assume you didn't upgrade from Windows 7 - because that process is pretty much the easiest upgrade ever (took me about 10 minutes). Also, have you seen the "refresh" and "reinstall" settings in Windows 8? They've made working with the OS redonkulously simple. I have a feeling the upgrade from Windows 8 to 8.1 will be a very quick affair.

On an aside, has anyone else done the online "click to run" install of Office 2013? I still have no understanding how they can get the full office suite installed in 4 minutes via internet. It really is something to see to believe.
 
2013-05-07 12:21:52 PM  

RexTalionis: skozlaw: At least I hope. It sure would be a giant middle finger to all the people that bought 8 if they suddenly released a whole new version and basically left that tiny number of people hanging out there with the "classic" Windows 8.

I think must be in the minority, because I actually like "classic" Windows 8 without mods like Start8 or RetroUI to bring the Start Button back.


I prefer Metro on my tablet, when I'm using it like a tablet. But when I use the keyboard and mouse, I push the Metro interface off to the side, and use it like a normal desktop system. Start8 is perfect for that.
On my regular desktop computer, I'm still using Win 7, and I'm in no hurry to upgrade to 8.
 
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