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2013-05-07 02:52:42 AM
Sales of Windows 3.1 remain steady.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Steady as a rock. Stay the course. Don't change horses in the middle of the stream.
 
2013-05-07 04:11:42 AM
ooh the trajectory gets higher after 6 months.  a new announcement is coming i can't wait!!
 
2013-05-07 04:40:45 AM
Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).

I will say that Win7 is the only OS I ever purchased standalone. It rocks, and if Win8 is as annoying as people claim (even though you can easily disable Metro or whatever they're now calling it), I will install my copy of 7 on every new computer in the foreseeable future.

/why yes, I also use dual-boot Linux, but mostly just to keep my nerd cred fresh. WINE still doesn't smoothly handle the things I need.
 
2013-05-07 06:03:36 AM

dickfreckle: Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).

I will say that Win7 is the only OS I ever purchased standalone. It rocks, and if Win8 is as annoying as people claim (even though you can easily disable Metro or whatever they're now calling it), I will install my copy of 7 on every new computer in the foreseeable future.

/why yes, I also use dual-boot Linux, but mostly just to keep my nerd cred fresh. WINE still doesn't smoothly handle the things I need.


I really don't find it annoying at all but YMMV. I don't mind it booting to metro nor do i miss the start menu. I've been using it for about 6 months now and have had zero problems. However if you are fine running Win 7 and do not have a reason to upgrade I wouldn't yet. It's fun to play with but i really can't find anything that is a must for your average user. So there you go...I don't see the hate but I also can't see needing to upgrade as of yet (at least for desktops, thats what I have it on and i have a windows phone)
 
2013-05-07 06:57:56 AM
The shock, surprise, and outrage of the anti-Windows echo chamber should be amusing.
 
2013-05-07 07:17:08 AM

Lucky LaRue: The shock, surprise, and outrage of the anti-Windows echo chamber should be amusing.


I'm not shocked or surprised.  I'm sure about six months after Vista's release it was selling at about the same rate as XP.  After all, aren't most new PC devices now shipped with some form of 8?

/been running 10.6 since late 2009, seen no need to upgrade yet
 
2013-05-07 07:25:35 AM
dickfreckle: Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).


Yeah, this will be the real tale of the tape. Computers are a need now for all intents and purposes, and the vast majority of those sales are from people that had no real choice in the matter.
 
2013-05-07 07:35:58 AM

UNC_Samurai: Lucky LaRue: The shock, surprise, and outrage of the anti-Windows echo chamber should be amusing.

I'm not shocked or surprised.  I'm sure about six months after Vista's release it was selling at about the same rate as XP.  After all, aren't most new PC devices now shipped with some form of 8?

/been running 10.6 since late 2009, seen no need to upgrade yet


Here's an interesting article comparing the sales figures of Vista and 7.. looks like 8 is on track with 7s sales.  Vista sales numbers are a little cloudy because of the "Express Upgrade" cycle, but 10 million a month for the first 12 months seems to be a fair estimate..
 
2013-05-07 07:44:01 AM

Lucky LaRue: The shock, surprise, and outrage of the anti-Windows echo chamber should be amusing.


A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 
2013-05-07 07:52:15 AM
Does this include all of the licenses for their touch screen tablets, like the surface pro? Windows 8 makes a lot of sense for touch screens, so that wouldn't surprise me.

For my desktop? Not so much.
 
2013-05-07 07:57:22 AM

Lucky LaRue: The shock, surprise, and outrage of the anti-Windows echo chamber should be amusing.


In about 10 minutes I'm going to head out toward work and along the way I'll encounter people doing 30 in a 55, soccer mommies willing to kill themselves and others for the opportunity to wait on the long line at the Dunkin Donuts, and drivers who sit through a whole traffic light cycle because they were yakking on their cell phones.

These are your Windows customers.

So I might be able to manage an eyeroll at this. Otherwise it's hardly shocking nor surprising and I just can't muster the effort for a proper outrage.
 
2013-05-07 07:58:10 AM

dickfreckle: Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).

I will say that Win7 is the only OS I ever purchased standalone. It rocks, and if Win8 is as annoying as people claim (even though you can easily disable Metro or whatever they're now calling it), I will install my copy of 7 on every new computer in the foreseeable future.

/why yes, I also use dual-boot Linux, but mostly just to keep my nerd cred fresh. WINE still doesn't smoothly handle the things I need.


Your loss. Windows 8 is just an upgraded version of Windows 7 despite all the outrage at Metro/Modern. It isn't perfect but proformance alone was enough to make me switch. It's faster, more stable, and all in all just a better OS.

It took some getting used to but even the start screen is faster. Switch to the start screen and type in what program you want. Simple. want to shut down/resart? Hit the physical shutdown/restart button.

Simple.
 
2013-05-07 08:11:53 AM
Win 8 was worth the $14 I paid for it once I fixed it so that silly metro thing went away (I don't have a touch screen monitor on my PC). Definitely worth it for the increase in speed in 8 vs 7.
 
2013-05-07 08:18:52 AM

bbfreak: Windows 8 is just an upgraded version of Windows 7 despite all the outrage at Metro/Modern


Windows 8's Metro UI is an abomination on the desktop deserving of every bit of criticism it collects, (obtrusive, counter-productive,rage inducing for anyone in development who regularly runs multiple IDEs, no multi-tasking,no POP3 mail,mouse gestures to interface with the OS,etc,etc).

Which is a pity because the OS itself has undergone some noticeable improvements... :/
 
2013-05-07 08:22:22 AM
Get Start8 and ModernMix from the Stardock people, and everything is magically better.
 
2013-05-07 08:24:19 AM
Meanwhile, Slackware 12.2 still does everything I need.

I'd really hate to get caught up in the hamster wheel of regularly paying for updates that actually make my computer worse.
 
2013-05-07 08:24:35 AM
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24065413#.UWXcTHfC58E

"At this point, unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only failed to provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market," said Bob O'Donnell, IDC Program Vice President, Clients and Displays. "While some consumers appreciate the new form factors and touch capabilities of Windows 8, the radical changes to the UI, removal of the familiar Start button, and the costs associated with touch have made PCs a less attractive alternative to dedicated tablets and other competitive devices. Microsoft will have to make some very tough decisions moving forward if it wants to help reinvigorate the PC market."
 
2013-05-07 08:26:03 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: bbfreak: Windows 8 is just an upgraded version of Windows 7 despite all the outrage at Metro/Modern

Windows 8's Metro UI is an abomination on the desktop deserving of every bit of criticism it collects, (obtrusive, counter-productive,rage inducing for anyone in development who regularly runs multiple IDEs, no multi-tasking,no POP3 mail,mouse gestures to interface with the OS,etc,etc).

Which is a pity because the OS itself has undergone some noticeable improvements... :/


However, Metro is almost entirely ignorable if it bothers you, and you can use a Win8 machine pretty much just like a Win7 machine. I would know.
 
2013-05-07 08:39:03 AM

LasersHurt: you can use a Win8 machine pretty much just like a Win7 machine. I would know.


So.. you regularly run 1 application at a time.. .great. I have a machine capable of running far more than that and regularly require it to do so... that's why I have a desktop machine and not, say, a calculator.

Calling it "windows" is misleading when it's actually "just 2 malformed windows scrunched together".

And having to revert to keyboard shortcuts to overcome the hindrance that is a touch-screen UI in a non-touch environment...

You keep peddling to mickeysoft sauce, I'll keep treating it with the disdain it deserves... :)
 
2013-05-07 08:42:47 AM
I was against Windows 8 at the start but I installed it on my office computer in order to get a handle on it because I found myself having to support in on newly purchased laptops and computers.  Once I started to learn my way around it, I actually like it.  There is a noticeable difference is speed.  Windows 8 is much faster especially when it comes to bootup and shutdown.  Windows 7 is fast on a fresh install but once I put it on active directory and the startup scripts kick in, it really slows down and takes a couple of minutes to boot up.  Windows 8 takes less than a minute, even after all the software is installed and the computer is registered on AD.

I also got it on a tablet with an i5 processor, it's the full blown version of Windows 8 and on a SSD it takes about 2 seconds to start, this tablet is pretty amazing.  It really is a shame so many people are turned off by Metro because once you start using it and get familiar, I think it's much better than 7 and to be honest I can't believe I'm saying that but I was also not too excited about switching from XP to Windows 7 after the fiasco of Vista.
 
2013-05-07 08:43:58 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: So.. you regularly run 1 application at a time.. .great. I have a machine capable of running far more than that and regularly require it to do so... that's why I have a desktop machine and not, say, a calculator.


Windows 8 has no problems running multiple programs at once. Been using it for work, and have run enough programs to fill up the task bar.
 
2013-05-07 08:44:07 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: you can use a Win8 machine pretty much just like a Win7 machine. I would know.

So.. you regularly run 1 application at a time.. .great. I have a machine capable of running far more than that and regularly require it to do so... that's why I have a desktop machine and not, say, a calculator.

Calling it "windows" is misleading when it's actually "just 2 malformed windows scrunched together".

And having to revert to keyboard shortcuts to overcome the hindrance that is a touch-screen UI in a non-touch environment...

You keep peddling to mickeysoft sauce, I'll keep treating it with the disdain it deserves... :)


Sauce? Mickeysoft? Are you an actual child, or just a manchild?

/I have a dozen programs running right now across three monitors. Including my personal email snapped into a Metro column on the right side. Almost everything I do is non-Metro though.
//You don't have to like it, but don't be a moron
 
2013-05-07 08:45:43 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: you can use a Win8 machine pretty much just like a Win7 machine. I would know.

So.. you regularly run 1 application at a time.. .great. I have a machine capable of running far more than that and regularly require it to do so... that's why I have a desktop machine and not, say, a calculator.


http://icomputerdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/windows-8-desk to p.png
 
2013-05-07 08:47:34 AM

LasersHurt: Almost everything I do is non-Metro though.


Precisely... once they enforce store-only/metro-only apps, you can kiss this farewell.... because it's more productive...

Windows 8 is great. Metro is obstructive. "But you can get around it" isn't the correct response. Not even close to the correct response.
 
2013-05-07 08:48:23 AM

jack21221: Does this include all of the licenses for their touch screen tablets, like the surface pro? Windows 8 makes a lot of sense for touch screens, so that wouldn't surprise me.

For my desktop? Not so much.


Why wouldn't they??  The Surface Pro runs WIndows 8 Pro.  They might include RT numbers as well, all 25 of them.
 
2013-05-07 08:49:28 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: Almost everything I do is non-Metro though.

Precisely... once they enforce store-only/metro-only apps, you can kiss this farewell.... because it's more productive...


Are you high?
 
2013-05-07 09:00:27 AM
On May 7, Microsoft revealed that it has sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses so far.

Oh, good, this thread again. Where we pretend "licenses sold" means anything useful without knowing how many were actually activated....

nulluspixiusdemonica: Windows 8 is great.


I don't know if I'd call it great. It has some nice new features, but even without the disastrous frankengui that more than offsets its improvements I don't know that I'd bother pushing for adoption at work or begin using it at home. Windows 7 is more than sufficient to meet the needs of all of my users at work and the lifecycle on it is so long that I don't see the value in upgrading now versus waiting for the next big release.

Basically, it's just like Vista all over again. Vista was a "good" upgrade once they fixed all the farkery from its initial release, but it wasn't good enough to spend the time or money upgrading when I knew I could wait for the next iteration and get all that and more without losing any productivity.

Server 2012, on the other hand, has been pretty slick so far. A lot of annoyances that will hopefully get worked out in rollups and the first SP, but, overall, I'm digging it. We skipped 2008 R2 for the most part and as an upgrade from 2008 it's definitely worthwhile.
 
2013-05-07 09:03:49 AM

skozlaw: On May 7, Microsoft revealed that it has sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses so far.

Oh, good, this thread again. Where we pretend "licenses sold" means anything useful without knowing how many were actually activated....


When you're comparing licenses sold to licenses sold, it IS the only useful metric. The article is only mentioning the rate of licenses sold.
 
2013-05-07 09:23:35 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: dickfreckle: Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).


Yeah, this will be the real tale of the tape. Computers are a need now for all intents and intensive purposes, and the vast majority of those sales are from people that had no real choice in the matter.


/pet peeve
 
2013-05-07 09:23:53 AM

LasersHurt: When you're comparing licenses sold to licenses sold, it IS the only useful metric. The article is only mentioning the rate of licenses sold.


And?
 
2013-05-07 09:24:58 AM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: When you're comparing licenses sold to licenses sold, it IS the only useful metric. The article is only mentioning the rate of licenses sold.

And?


I dunno? You felt it was important to come in an naysay, but what they are saying is correct, even if you feel it's not important. You brought it up, so... "And?" to you?
 
2013-05-07 09:33:05 AM

LasersHurt: even if you feel it's not important


I don't feel it's not important, it just isn't important. It's a useless metric. It always has been a useless metric and it's a popular useless metric in the tech industry.

Pray tell, what practical and informed decision could you possibly make by knowing only how many licenses were sold? Would you consider purchasing MSFT stock based on that information? Would you plan your call center training and staffing around it? Your software development timeline and focus?

What, exactly, could you possibly use such limited and context-free information for?
 
2013-05-07 09:33:51 AM

skozlaw: What, exactly, could you possibly use such limited and context-free information for?


You could use it for tracking the number of licenses sold, and the rate at which they are being sold, for one.
 
2013-05-07 09:40:47 AM

LasersHurt: You could use it for tracking the number of licenses sold, and the rate at which they are being sold, for one.


I wish I could ignore you in just Windows threads because these are the only threads where your comments are so consistently retarded...
 
2013-05-07 09:41:32 AM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: You could use it for tracking the number of licenses sold, and the rate at which they are being sold, for one.

I wish I could ignore you in just Windows threads because these are the only threads where your comments are so consistently retarded...


Sorry you have to read me acknowledging that a statistic describes what it says it describes.
 
2013-05-07 09:45:13 AM

bbfreak: dickfreckle: Perhaps because it's late, I didn't see any standalone sales figures in that article (vs. licenses bundled with a new PC).

I will say that Win7 is the only OS I ever purchased standalone. It rocks, and if Win8 is as annoying as people claim (even though you can easily disable Metro or whatever they're now calling it), I will install my copy of 7 on every new computer in the foreseeable future.

/why yes, I also use dual-boot Linux, but mostly just to keep my nerd cred fresh. WINE still doesn't smoothly handle the things I need.

Your loss. Windows 8 is just an upgraded version of Windows 7 despite all the outrage at Metro/Modern. It isn't perfect but proformance alone was enough to make me switch. It's faster, more stable, and all in all just a better OS.

It took some getting used to but even the styles start screen is faster. Switch to the start screen and type in what program you want. Simple. want to shut down/resart? Hit the physical shutdown/restart button.

Simple.


You're pulling my johnson, yes?
 
2013-05-07 10:07:13 AM

bbfreak: want to shut down/resart? Hit the physical shutdown/restart button


You know, you honestly just blew my mind.  We were all conditioned in our youth to never ever ever touch that power button on any but the most desperate of situations.

But you're right, it's not that big of a deal anymore.  Well, assuming the machine itself is somewhere you can easily reach, which isn't always the case.
 
2013-05-07 10:10:15 AM

magores: Incorrigible Astronaut:
Yeah, this will be the real tale of the tape. Computers are a need now for all intents and intensive purposes, and the vast majority of those sales are from people that had no real choice in the matter.

/pet peeve


9.5/10, it's beautiful!

/sniff
 
2013-05-07 10:11:42 AM

LasersHurt: Sorry you have to read me acknowledging that a statistic describes what it says it describes.


Which would be really relevant if at any point in time anybody in this thread had questioned what the statistic describes or challenged its accuracy.

You gonna answer my question about what this information could possibly be used for on its own or are you just gonna tuck tail and run just like all the other times I've asked you to act like an adult and back up your "passionate" defense of Windows 8 with something practical and informative?
 
2013-05-07 10:14:37 AM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: Sorry you have to read me acknowledging that a statistic describes what it says it describes.

Which would be really relevant if at any point in time anybody in this thread had questioned what the statistic describes or challenged its accuracy.

You gonna answer my question about what this information could possibly be used for on its own or are you just gonna tuck tail and run just like all the other times I've asked you to act like an adult and back up your "passionate" defense of Windows 8 with something practical and informative?


I told you what it represents. It represents nothing more than what it says it does. You have decided that this is invalid and meaningless, but that's just you.

I'm sorry, man, but you're insufferable. Your personal opinions are treated as objective fact by you, and you are intentionally obstinate about proving yourself correct. If you want to ignore me, that's fine, feel free. You're pretty terrible to talk to.

Sorry I don't hate this OS enough for you :(
 
2013-05-07 10:33:40 AM
I held on to xp until I bought a new machine 4 months ago and went to 7. I lump 8 and Vista in the same will not buy category.
 
2013-05-07 10:41:35 AM

LasersHurt: Your personal opinions are treated as objective fact by you


Yep, okay, we're done here. Every since you decided to start attacking people as "idiots" because they don't like the Metro interface you've just been flailing aimlessly.

You asked me for evidence of its problems, I gave you the NNG study. You dismissed it and acted like NNG is nothing in the field of usability theory.

You asked me for actual examples of problems I've personally experienced with it. I gave you eight. You didn't even respond. Just pretended the post didn't even exist.

I asked you to explain to those us who dislike it what it is that you like that we're missing. You explicitly refused. To others your only responses are ever "hit the Windows key" or "you don't have to use it" (which is a lie).

Now this childish crap. I've attempted multiple times to engage you like an adult and every time you've refused, so we're done. If you want to scream like a small child because people don't like what you like that's your prerogative, but I'm tired of giving you chances like you're doing anything else.
 
2013-05-07 10:44:22 AM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: Your personal opinions are treated as objective fact by you

Yep, okay, we're done here. Every since you decided to start attacking people as "idiots" because they don't like the Metro interface you've just been flailing aimlessly.

You asked me for evidence of its problems, I gave you the NNG study. You dismissed it and acted like NNG is nothing in the field of usability theory.

You asked me for actual examples of problems I've personally experienced with it. I gave you eight. You didn't even respond. Just pretended the post didn't even exist.

I asked you to explain to those us who dislike it what it is that you like that we're missing. You explicitly refused. To others your only responses are ever "hit the Windows key" or "you don't have to use it" (which is a lie).

Now this childish crap. I've attempted multiple times to engage you like an adult and every time you've refused, so we're done. If you want to scream like a small child because people don't like what you like that's your prerogative, but I'm tired of giving you chances like you're doing anything else.


You're living in some weird, fantasy world. For one, bringing up every argument we've ever had? Like your one usability study you like to wank over? Constantly saying how I "don't" answer you when I DO, but you don't like the answers?

We ARE done here, you're right, but I don't think it's for the reasons you think it is.

An answer you don't agree with is not "avoiding" the question, it's disagreeing. I have no idea how it is you do not understand that. Now I'm a small child, based on you ignoring my answers and pretending I did not answer you?
 
2013-05-07 11:30:48 AM
You  know what still work? Alt-Tab and the Win key?

Does anyone need anything besides those and Alt-F4?
 
2013-05-07 11:45:42 AM
Maybe because people are finally seeing through the internet FUD campaign and realizing it isn't really a horribad operating system that turns your PC into a speak-n-spell?

Wait, no, people are still idiots, nm.
 
2013-05-07 11:49:27 AM
What is with all these people coming into this thread and spewing nonsense that implies Windows 8 only has the Metro UI and it can only run one application at a time?

Also, even in Metro you can run multiple applications at a time. If you move your mouse to the upper-left corner, you can see everything you have opened and switch between them. It isn't as convenient as alt+tabbing in my opinion, but they are there.

Do you guys even try to use new systems or do you just look at them and scream about how they are different?
 
2013-05-07 11:50:16 AM

Feepit: What is with all these people coming into this thread and spewing nonsense that implies Windows 8 only has the Metro UI and it can only run one application at a time?

Also, even in Metro you can run multiple applications at a time. If you move your mouse to the upper-left corner, you can see everything you have opened and switch between them. It isn't as convenient as alt+tabbing in my opinion, but they are there.

Do you guys even try to use new systems or do you just look at them and scream about how they are different?


There's a huge percentage of the latter, but we're supposed to respect their opinions on OS usability and ignore everyone else who uses it fine.
 
2013-05-07 11:51:47 AM

NetOwl: Meanwhile, Slackware 12.2 still does everything I need.

I'd really hate to get caught up in the hamster wheel of regularly paying for updates that actually make my computer worse.


yeahh.  really worse.  i'd MUCH rather go back to Tiger from Mountain Lion..
 
2013-05-07 12:19:28 PM

LasersHurt: skozlaw: On May 7, Microsoft revealed that it has sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses so far.

Oh, good, this thread again. Where we pretend "licenses sold" means anything useful without knowing how many were actually activated....

When you're comparing licenses sold to licenses sold, it IS the only useful metric. The article is only mentioning the rate of licenses sold.


Suppose Ballmer offered you 10 million licenses for $1. And then suppose that the next day, Ballmer went on the news and announced he'd just sold 10 million licenses the day before. Would that still mean W8 was selling well?

I've posted the internet numbers before. I'm on my mobile now, so I won't repost them. suffice to say that the actual number of new W8 machines appearing on the 'net are less than a third of Vista's numbers from the same sales period. All these license numbers mean is that MS is getting desperate, and is giving licenses away. People are taking the licenses, but not installing them.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:15 PM
Considering all the butt-hurt surrounding WIn7 when it came out (it's just a Vista clone, XP is the best OS ever) this is not surprising.
 
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