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(Entertainment Weekly)   Mark Hamill defends Jar-Jar Binks but not the second Death Star   (insidemovies.ew.com ) divider line
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2013-05-07 10:39:01 AM  
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INeedAName: UNC_Samurai: buntz: Crewmannumber6: The people on that second death star were just honest tradesmen trying to support their families


And as far as the contractor argument goes...Even without having to delve into the plethora of EU sources, we see throughout the trilogy droids doing all sorts of work.  We see power droids, welding droids, and there's a pretty significant reference to binary load-lifters.  With such heavy reliance on automated labor...why would anyone think that the bulk of the construction work was being done by humans?  And if Death Star II is supposed to be enough of a secret that "many Bothans died" to secure information of its existence, why would the Empire hire non-military companies to do work in the Endor system?  That's almost a guaranteed security risk.  The conversation is funny, I'll give them that, but it's an easily refuted argument.

The Bothans died because Ewoks ate them. Ewoks are some effed up cannibalistic tribal murderers. One of them is actually wearing a Bothan skull for a hat in one of the scenes. And they were about to eat Han and them if Luke hadn't save the day.


That's not cannibalism, unless Ewoks eat Ewoks.
2013-05-07 09:22:09 AM  
2 votes:

Crewmannumber6: The people on that second death star were just honest tradesmen trying to support their families


Just because Kevin Smith is fat doesn't mean he understands the Star Wars films. By the time the Death Star was at the Battle of Endor, it was "fully operational". It only looked like it wasn't finished. So any innocent contractors wouldn't still be there. Besides which, it was probably common knowledge that the last Death Star blew up an innocent planet for no reason so fark anyone who worked on the new one.
2013-05-07 08:39:08 AM  
2 votes:

mat catastrophe: Greedo always shot first. You people haven't watched the 1977 film closely.


Spoken like someone who wasn't actually alive when the original came out.  And yes, the original is the one that was released to theaters.  Every version released since then is not the original.
2013-05-07 02:02:59 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Jabba's ultimate plan was to put Han on display in his palace anyway.


That was not Jabbas' original plan. That was a plan he found acceptable. Boba Fett was not happy about the carbonite test, but was willing to go along with it. He was quite explicit: "He's no good to me dead." So we know that Jabba wanted Solo alive by Empire. Presumably, he also wanted Solo alive in ANH- after all, dead smugglers don't pay debts.

Greedo laid out a deal with Solo- he would take the money owed Solo and "forget" he ever saw Solo, or he was going to bring Solo to Jabba. More likely is that Greedo would have done grievous bodily harm to Solo, not killed him.
2013-05-07 01:53:01 PM  
1 vote:

Casey Anthony: Why would Greedo shoot Han?


1. He's cutting his (or really, Jabba's) losses and getting rid of a nuisance smuggler. Han had already been boarded, had lost a bunch of cash and (as we find out later) Jabba's ultimate plan was to put Han on display in his palace anyway. He could have frozen a dead Han in carbonite as well, or had his flesh preserved and hung him anyway.
2. Greedo may just be a psycho. Does Han know that Greedo wouldn't shoot him (as he was about to do to Greedo) just because the conversation was getting boring? Mos Eisley is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, and no one seems to care that Luke's Grandpa hacked off a regular's arm a few minutes ago. Perhaps cultural mores dictate a much lower threshhold for getting to a death sentence.
3. Larger criminal politics at play. Maybe Jabba wants/needs to "send a message" to the other smugglers in his employ. Maybe he's worried about other smugglers leaving to form their own collective. Maybe there are rumblings about how Jabba's gone soft.

// don't know anything that wasn't in the films, so maybe the EU answers some/all of that
2013-05-07 01:40:10 PM  
1 vote:

Darth_Lukecash: The Han/Greedo shoots first is funny. In the original script and in the original film, it was supposed to be totally unclear who shot first. Two shots were fired behind a cloud of smoke.


Why would Greedo shoot Han? He is using his gun solely to threaten Han because he wants Han to give him the money Han owes Jabba. If Han doesn't happen to have all that money on him at that particular moment (and it doesn't appear that he does), how is Greedo going to get the money if he shoots and kills Han. And he doesn't know Han has a gun pointed at him under the table, so Greedo isn't shooting in order to kill or be killed. All Han says, "Yes, I'll bet you have". These words would not indicate to Greedo that Han is about to shoot him. The idea of Greedo firing his gun at all doesn't make sense.
2013-05-07 01:15:15 PM  
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Close2TheEdge: mat catastrophe: Greedo always shot first. You people haven't watched the 1977 film closely.

Spoken like someone who wasn't actually alive when the original came out.  And yes, the original is the one that was released to theaters.  Every version released since then is not the original.


I was alive then, thanks. And I have a copy of the 1977 release. All you see is a flash and then dead Greedo. You cannot tell who fired what or when.

The fanboy revisionist bullshiat is exactly that.
2013-05-07 01:14:35 PM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: buntz: Crewmannumber6: The people on that second death star were just honest tradesmen trying to support their families

That was a funny (Clerks) argument until the prequels.  Then it was clear the Death Star were built by members of, what would become, the Empire.

If the Geonosins built the first Death Star, it's fair to assume another race, if not more Geonosins, built the second.

The first Death Star was built in orbit over the prison planet Despayre, and was used as the superlaser's test target.

And as far as the contractor argument goes...Even without having to delve into the plethora of EU sources, we see throughout the trilogy droids doing all sorts of work.  We see power droids, welding droids, and there's a pretty significant reference to binary load-lifters.  With such heavy reliance on automated labor...why would anyone think that the bulk of the construction work was being done by humans?  And if Death Star II is supposed to be enough of a secret that "many Bothans died" to secure information of its existence, why would the Empire hire non-military companies to do work in the Endor system?  That's almost a guaranteed security risk.  The conversation is funny, I'll give them that, but it's an easily refuted argument.


Lucas joked in the DVD commentary of AOTC, "these were the contractors that the Clerks guys were talking about"

I've never had any major problems with the prequels, nor the special editions. Liked Jar Jar, understood the concept of midiclorians ( not the force, but cellular parts that help connect to the force. Similar to mitrocondrias.)


Oh a few minor quibbles. Han/Jabba scene repeats the same information that the Han Greedo scene had moments before. They took off the scream when Luke jumped escaping from Vader in ESB.

The Han/Greedo shoots first is funny. In the original script and in the original film, it was supposed to be totally unclear who shot first. Two shots were fired behind a cloud of smoke.
2013-05-07 12:40:12 PM  
1 vote:

LL316: t3knomanser: Just because they're the movies Lucas wanted to make doesn't make them immune to criticism. To the contrary, it gives us liberty to be more uncompromising in our criticism of the films. If that boring, tedious, crap was Lucas's vision, he needs to get some Lasik or something.

Did kids (the people he made the movies for) enjoy them?  Yep.  Then wtf cares what you think?  Don't blame him because you're incapable of growing up.


People still use this argument? It should be pretty obvious that all six of them were meant to appeal to all ages. And it should also be pretty obvious that kids aren't as good as adults at discerning what's good and what's crap.
2013-05-07 10:33:58 AM  
1 vote:

devilEther: while I attribute the second Death Star to pure laziness on the part of Lucas, I like to think the Empire built a replica of the original Death Star to defy the terrorists who destroyed the original.


The second death star was begun or in mid-construction around the time the first one was completed.  It's a matter of redundancy in case your original is destroyed or compromised.
2013-05-07 10:10:50 AM  
1 vote:

t3knomanser: Just because they're the movies Lucas wanted to make doesn't make them immune to criticism. To the contrary, it gives us liberty to be more uncompromising in our criticism of the films. If that boring, tedious, crap was Lucas's vision, he needs to get some Lasik or something.


Did kids (the people he made the movies for) enjoy them?  Yep.  Then wtf cares what you think?  Don't blame him because you're incapable of growing up.
2013-05-07 09:43:05 AM  
1 vote:

Close2TheEdge: mat catastrophe: Greedo always shot first. You people haven't watched the 1977 film closely.

Spoken like someone who wasn't actually alive when the original came out.  And yes, the original is the one that was released to theaters.  Every version released since then is not the original.


fact is that Han DID NOT shoot first in the original version.  Han is in fact the ONLY one that shot.  Han gunned Greedo down before Greedo had a chance to shoot.  Lucas later tried to retcon this and claimed that Greedo always shot first and that you just couldn't tell, but that is a bunch of crap.  Also -

www.overthinkingit.com
2013-05-07 09:37:08 AM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: buntz: Crewmannumber6: The people on that second death star were just honest tradesmen trying to support their families

That was a funny (Clerks) argument until the prequels.  Then it was clear the Death Star were built by members of, what would become, the Empire.

If the Geonosins built the first Death Star, it's fair to assume another race, if not more Geonosins, built the second.

The first Death Star was built in orbit over the prison planet Despayre, and was used as the superlaser's test target.

And as far as the contractor argument goes...Even without having to delve into the plethora of EU sources, we see throughout the trilogy droids doing all sorts of work.  We see power droids, welding droids, and there's a pretty significant reference to binary load-lifters.  With such heavy reliance on automated labor...why would anyone think that the bulk of the construction work was being done by humans?  And if Death Star II is supposed to be enough of a secret that "many Bothans died" to secure information of its existence, why would the Empire hire non-military companies to do work in the Endor system?  That's almost a guaranteed security risk.  The conversation is funny, I'll give them that, but it's an easily refuted argument.


Despayre?

DESPAYRE?!?!

Will someone please take the EU out back and shoot it?
2013-05-07 09:27:41 AM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: The first Death Star was built in orbit over the prison planet Despayre, and was used as the superlaser's test target


"Then why did Tarkin say he was going to test the Death Star's power on Alderaan? That he said Alderaan was the first planet to be destroyed?"

images2.makefive.com

/fark the EU
2013-05-07 09:19:01 AM  
1 vote:

buntz: Crewmannumber6: The people on that second death star were just honest tradesmen trying to support their families

That was a funny (Clerks) argument until the prequels.  Then it was clear the Death Star were built by members of, what would become, the Empire.

If the Geonosins built the first Death Star, it's fair to assume another race, if not more Geonosins, built the second.


The first Death Star was built in orbit over the prison planet Despayre, and was used as the superlaser's test target.

And as far as the contractor argument goes...Even without having to delve into the plethora of EU sources, we see throughout the trilogy droids doing all sorts of work.  We see power droids, welding droids, and there's a pretty significant reference to binary load-lifters.  With such heavy reliance on automated labor...why would anyone think that the bulk of the construction work was being done by humans?  And if Death Star II is supposed to be enough of a secret that "many Bothans died" to secure information of its existence, why would the Empire hire non-military companies to do work in the Endor system?  That's almost a guaranteed security risk.  The conversation is funny, I'll give them that, but it's an easily refuted argument.
2013-05-07 08:03:54 AM  
1 vote:

mat catastrophe: Greedo always shot first. You people haven't watched the 1977 film closely.


Burn in hell.

Look, I'm not disagreeing.  But, after Lucas turned the entire franchise into a Muppet Show spin-off, can't we at least have SOMETHING to believe?
2013-05-07 07:21:05 AM  
1 vote:
Darth Vader: And "the Force?" Well, that's just microscopic bacteria in your bloodstream called "Midichlorians".
Luke Skywalker: Look, if you're not going to take this seriously, I'm out.

/oblig
2013-05-07 07:20:29 AM  
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Hamill noted that his son Nathan helped keep him abreast of new developments in Star Wars fandom. "He'll say, 'Oh my god, Dad, Greedo shoots first now!' I'll say, 'Wait, wait, wait. Let's put this in perspective: Who cares?'"

Hey, Mark, how did you like Freddie Prinze, Jr's take on Christopher Blair?
 
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