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2013-05-07 12:42:38 AM

TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.


For one thing, Amazon is moving toward a distributed distribution network to put them in better competition with big box stores in terms of prompt delivery. So they'll soon have nexus all over anyway, and will have to collect tax regardless. This law allows them to force their competitors onto a level playing field, just like the local retailers want.

For another, it's a compliance headache for small businesses, which gives them just one more reason to use Amazon to sell instead of setting up an independent sales site. And Amazon would like to be in on every transaction on the Internet, if at all possible.
 
2013-05-07 12:42:52 AM

pedrop357: Hopefully amazon.com starts putting more of those lockers and similar delivery receptacles in states like Montana, Oregon, New Hampshire, etc.

I'll plan my big purchases and have them waiting for me.  I'll visit Oregon once to twice a year to pick up expensive things.  Even if it doesn't quite work out money wise, the spite/fark you factor to my state will make it worth it to me.


in order to avoid paying more sales tax to your state, you will just pay more gas tax to your state.

makes perfect sense.
 
2013-05-07 12:43:21 AM
I'm sure all the states will lower their sales tax rate a little bit to ease the sting a little.  Even with the reduction they'll still get more money, so I'm sure they'll ease everyone's burden a little.
 
2013-05-07 12:44:18 AM
Meh.
 
2013-05-07 12:45:14 AM

doglover: The first thing we do, we kill all the tax lawyers.


oh goody, another person who doesn't understand the meaning of that Shakespeare line.
 
2013-05-07 12:45:46 AM

dumbobruni: pedrop357: Hopefully amazon.com starts putting more of those lockers and similar delivery receptacles in states like Montana, Oregon, New Hampshire, etc.

I'll plan my big purchases and have them waiting for me.  I'll visit Oregon once to twice a year to pick up expensive things.  Even if it doesn't quite work out money wise, the spite/fark you factor to my state will make it worth it to me.

in order to avoid paying more sales tax to your state, you will just pay more gas tax to your state.

makes perfect sense.


Only a little.  I have a diesel car ('12 Passat TDI) and could do a Las Vegas-Oregon trip on one tank if I keep a reasonable speed.

Even the extra fuel tax for two fillups wouldn't come close to what I would pay in sales tax of my 3 largest purchases this year (and those weren't much in the scheme of things.)
 
2013-05-07 12:46:33 AM

pedrop357: dumbobruni: Brick and mortar stores receive services that warehouses do not, and they pay sales taxes accordingly.

what services do brick and mortar stores receive that warehouses and delivery services don't?

Usually they require more in the form of things like sidewalks, traffic control devices and road features, different types of inspections, more likely to need police for things like shoplifting, etc.


delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)
 
2013-05-07 12:48:05 AM

dumbobruni: delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)


Warehouses and industrial areas don't have quite the same level of road and surface features, traffic lights, etc. like retail areas.  They don't have the same police, medical, or fire needs either.
 
2013-05-07 12:48:11 AM
Taxed when you make it, taxed when you spend it, taxed when you receive it for goods, taxed when you spend it for supplies...yet somehow there's never enough money for government to be satiated.
 
2013-05-07 12:48:48 AM

evaned: However, I think it's very disingenuous to imply that it's the retailer that has to keep up with the mess of what is taxable where and at what rate, because they're just not.


Actually, in most cases, we are. I have to calculate taxes for every county I deliver to in NY, which ranges from 8% to 8.75% (possibly 7/8ths but at that point I let the state calculate that one). It's a PITA, because for less than $25 per quarter, I'm not paying an accountant or buying software.

umad: How many people sell $1 million worth of stuff in a year on ebay? I guess I just don't see how ebay qualifies as a "retailer."

I can't give you a number, but it's certainly my impression that there are a number of actual businesses that basically use ebay as a store front.


Tons of us. Sole proprietors for the win. Granted most of us are way under the million threshold (or miserably close to nothing).
 
2013-05-07 12:49:22 AM
so i'll be renting an apartment in a pobox in delaware, looking for 4999 roommates!
 
2013-05-07 12:49:29 AM

pedrop357: Hopefully amazon.com starts putting more of those lockers and similar delivery receptacles in states like Montana, Oregon, New Hampshire, etc.

I'll plan my big purchases and have them waiting for me.  I'll visit Oregon once to twice a year to pick up expensive things.  Even if it doesn't quite work out money wise, the spite/fark you factor to my state will make it worth it to me.


yet another tax cheat.
pay your fair share.
 
2013-05-07 12:49:37 AM

pedrop357: dumbobruni: pedrop357: Hopefully amazon.com starts putting more of those lockers and similar delivery receptacles in states like Montana, Oregon, New Hampshire, etc.

I'll plan my big purchases and have them waiting for me.  I'll visit Oregon once to twice a year to pick up expensive things.  Even if it doesn't quite work out money wise, the spite/fark you factor to my state will make it worth it to me.

in order to avoid paying more sales tax to your state, you will just pay more gas tax to your state.

makes perfect sense.

Only a little.  I have a diesel car ('12 Passat TDI) and could do a Las Vegas-Oregon trip on one tank if I keep a reasonable speed.

Even the extra fuel tax for two fillups wouldn't come close to what I would pay in sales tax of my 3 largest purchases this year (and those weren't much in the scheme of things.)


don't biatch and complain when your state's services suffer.

/who am I kidding? you are probably the first to complain about it.
 
2013-05-07 12:49:45 AM
I'll believe it when it applies to tailgate gun purchases from "collector" to "collector" at gun shows...

:P
 
2013-05-07 12:50:10 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: yet another tax cheat.
pay your fair share.


As soon as my state justifies that share.
 
2013-05-07 12:51:32 AM
This thread has so much stupid in it, it burns.

No this is not a tax increase.  No, it's not going to cripple retailers with millions of different tax rates.  No, it's not going to affect Ebay sellers, or whatever the hell is popular now.  Yes it closes out the little loophole of you reporting your purchases on your tax return (which I've never done either).  Deal with it.  A lot of states are in a financial bind already, and this helps them out without raising your taxes any.  It also evens the playing field for brick-and-mortar stores; especially the local mom/pop stores.

Not like it'll matter once the House shoots it down.  Eliminating temporary tax cuts and tax loopholes is not the same as raising taxes, you twits.
 
2013-05-07 12:51:44 AM

pedrop357: What services has my state provided to justify these taxes?

They didn't service any stores, build anything around them, didn't license, inspect, etc. any retail outlets.

The delivery vehicles used paid fuel and other road taxes, warehouse operators paid property taxes, etc.

Brick and mortar stores receive services that warehouses do not, and they pay sales taxes accordingly.


Blah blah blah blah.  People who own property and do not have kids still have to pay property taxes that help fund schools.  Deal with it.
 
2013-05-07 12:52:43 AM

Mock26: pedrop357: What services has my state provided to justify these taxes?

They didn't service any stores, build anything around them, didn't license, inspect, etc. any retail outlets.

The delivery vehicles used paid fuel and other road taxes, warehouse operators paid property taxes, etc.

Brick and mortar stores receive services that warehouses do not, and they pay sales taxes accordingly.

Blah blah blah blah.  People who own property and do not have kids still have to pay property taxes that help fund schools.  Deal with it.


Yawn.
 
2013-05-07 12:53:13 AM
Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.
 
2013-05-07 12:53:39 AM

pedrop357: dumbobruni: delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)

Warehouses and industrial areas don't have quite the same level of road and surface features, traffic lights, etc. like retail areas.  They don't have the same police, medical, or fire needs either.


There's an industrial area in West, Texas that would certainly disagree with you.
 
2013-05-07 12:56:38 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.
Politicians do not do what constituents want.
They do what big money wants, or they do something that will allow them to take in more of our cash so they can spend it on shiat constituents don't want.


The constituents want a free ride in civilization without having to cough up the taxes to provide it.

Fark the constituents. They're mostly a bunch of overweight, Honey Boo-Boo watching, mouth-breathers.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:51 AM

dumbobruni: pedrop357: dumbobruni: delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)

Warehouses and industrial areas don't have quite the same level of road and surface features, traffic lights, etc. like retail areas.  They don't have the same police, medical, or fire needs either.

There's an industrial area in West, Texas that would certainly disagree with you.


Wow, you found one exception.  I think I have some dog treats around here somewhere.

Now try to think bigger and compare government services to industrial areas vs those to retail.

Also, if you're suggesting that more retail focused areas receive the same level of services as industrial areas, how can the extra taxes collected from retail purchases be justified?
 
2013-05-07 01:00:11 AM
hey you guys are all ignorant and retarded. FROM A TOTAL FARK TROLL THATS A COMPLIMENT

GOT AN IDEA? TAX THE RICH.
can't tax them?

BEAT THEM TO DEATH WITH LACROSSE EQUIPMENT
 
2013-05-07 01:00:16 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.
Politicians do not do what constituents want.
They do what big money wants, or they do something that will allow them to take in more of our cash so they can spend it on shiat constituents don't want.


here's how it REALLY is: When citizens pay taxes, big business no longer contends with small nuclear families, with no lawyers or economists, they can push around.

When citizens pay taxes, big business has to justify the products and services they provide to an organization with oversight.

When citizens pay taxes, the money get spent on things that profit the people.

In most instances where something is really wrong with our country (war on drugs and terrorism, etc) its business creating a "blank check" cause that provides an excuse to divert tax money into private hands.

When citizens pay taxes instead of privatizing everything into a "free" *cough* bullshiat *cough* market, they have to contend with an organization big enough to push back.

big business HATES it when you pay taxes.. because it's soo much harder to swindle and divert funds when there's a vote and record.

Divide and conquer: why taxes suck for big business and are GREAT for the average person. Go play out your mad max dystopia somewhere else, you  sycophant.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:20 AM

JosephFinn: Why?  Equal taxation, that's why.


Ok, when are we gonna start taxing garage sales and public auctions?

/this is a major joke.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:24 AM

pedrop357: tenpoundsofcheese: yet another tax cheat.
pay your fair share.

As soon as my state justifies that share.


That isn't how it works in this country.
You are pathetic.
 
2013-05-07 01:00:54 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: pedrop357: tenpoundsofcheese: yet another tax cheat.
pay your fair share.

As soon as my state justifies that share.

That isn't how it works in this country.
You are pathetic.


Yes, actually it is.  Taxation without representation and all that.
 
2013-05-07 01:03:19 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.


what?
people paying taxes under your "brilliant" plan would include people who own:
cars
tvs
refrigerators
microwaves
bikes
sofas
chairs
computers
phones
etc, etc.
 
2013-05-07 01:04:51 AM

pedrop357: Also, if you're suggesting that more retail focused areas receive the same level of services as industrial areas, how can the extra taxes collected from retail purchases be justified?

pedrop357: Brick and mortar stores receive services that warehouses do not, and they pay sales taxes accordingly.


Where does this idea that it's the business being taxed come from?
 
2013-05-07 01:06:36 AM

autopsybeverage: I live in Pennsylvania. If I buy something from California, the price of that product should have the California sales tax added to it. The California business can petition their representatives if they feel the tax rate is unfair, or they can relocate to a lower tax jurisdiction, so their rights are being upheld. On the other hand, if they are forced to pay the Pennsylvania sales tax, they have no redress because they have no representative in the body that is levying the tax on them.

No. The store isn't paying the tax, the consumer is


oh, i don't know, although the consumer is the one using liquid cash or credit in the exchange, the seller's product is for the purposes of the transaction, of equal value. & for the purposes of a 'lost sale' due to tax, the seller's the worse off, unless he can eat and pay rent with his product like the buyer can with his not-spent money. when on vacation to ca i don't expect to pay my home tax rate either.
 
2013-05-07 01:07:50 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.


You realize your brilliant scheme will:

Tax the shiat out of old people who own a house.

Discourage owning anything, which will make the finance system basically interest on rentals.

Discourage foreigners investing in the USA.

Discourage any investment, research or development.

Start a war with the largest holder of government debt, China, a war your country cannot afford.

And tell me, how do you assign a fair market value to an IP? Especially if it has no market? Cost? Buddy, the cost can be manipulated to hell and back.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:54 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.


an annual tax on "items of value" is still a farking sales tax, but instead of paying it once, you pay it every year you have it. unless the rule book of what defines an asset is rewritten as well.


 
2013-05-07 01:09:53 AM
I'll just look around the web and see who charges tax and doesn't. There you have it. I refuse to give Kailpornia one more red cent that I have to. This state is so jacked that there is no hope for it. I can' afford to sell my house and buy another one out of this God forsaken dump.
 
2013-05-07 01:11:39 AM

pedrop357: dumbobruni: pedrop357: dumbobruni: delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)

Warehouses and industrial areas don't have quite the same level of road and surface features, traffic lights, etc. like retail areas.  They don't have the same police, medical, or fire needs either.

There's an industrial area in West, Texas that would certainly disagree with you.

Wow, you found one exception.  I think I have some dog treats around here somewhere.

Now try to think bigger and compare government services to industrial areas vs those to retail.


yawn
 
2013-05-07 01:14:20 AM
Fun part: Oregon with no sales tax.
Both of our senators voted No anyways.

Lolz
 
2013-05-07 01:20:56 AM

evaned: Amos Quito: And so the retailer becomes the involuntary "collection" agent for 50 states and countless counties and municipalities. And it is HIS responsibility to calculate the proper tax due (which will vary widely according to location, and may change on a whim at any moment) and submit the funds he collects to the various thousands of government entities.

I'm so glad you read the article before going off on your rant.

Oh, you didn't. Know how I can tell? Because of what I quoted before: to collect sales tax under this bill, states must provide a free service to determine the tax owed. Not only that, but by "various thousands of government entities" you mean "50" (an awfully small definition of "thousands"), as the bill requires states to set up a single state-wide collection point.



So the municipalities are SURRENDERING their cut of the sales tax revenue, ARE THEY?


Click here for a list of the sales tax rates in different California Cities.

That's ONLY California, and those are ONLY the cities that start with the letter "A".

So they provide a FREE service to help the retailers collect the proper rate? Good. Here's a free yardstick. Now go measure the depth of the Marianas Trench.

I've been in business for longer than a lot of Farkers have been alive. I've dealt with impudent employees, been ripped off by suppliers and customers, dealt with natural and man-made disasters, I've been robbed, vandalized, burglarized and embezzled, and survived every market change that has come along, and I can tell you without hesitation that the BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS and DISINCENTIVE TO SUCCESS is government and its endless line of bureaucratic assholes who believe that it is their sworn duty in life to make business as difficult as possible.

Government bureaucrats don't like "small business". Do you know why? Because small business means extra work for them. They'd MUCH rather deal with ONE WAL -MART than 10 or 15 small retailers, because bureaucrats are lazy, and the fewer entities they have to deal with, the better.


/American
//Dream
///Rant
 
2013-05-07 01:24:03 AM

ArkAngel: Thoguh: I don't have a problem with this.  It'll cut down on really blatant tax evasion, that's it.  And smaller companies won't have to "deal with 9,000 tax codes" or anything like that.  Some vendor will see a business opportunity to run all that stuff for a small surcharge and all the small businesses will just contract through them.

Smaller companies won't have to deal with it at all. It excuses all companies with less than one million in online sales.


... yet.

This is just stupid.  Would be much better to actually fix tax code than to make a gigantic mess.
 
2013-05-07 01:25:03 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.

what?
people paying taxes under your "brilliant" plan would include people who own:
cars
tvs
refrigerators
microwaves
bikes
sofas
chairs
computers
phones
etc, etc.


I don't know about you but I have renters insurance where I can claim $x for a total loss of all of my stuff. For individuals the tax would be $x*taxrate

Also the more stuff you have, the more you are depending on the government to enforce the laws that say someone can't just take your stuff. So you should pay more.
 
2013-05-07 01:25:14 AM
This will make it slightly less likely for me to use American websites as my personal Mexico. Which is fine, because I've been having moral quandaries about having crap flown halfway across the world to satiate whims.
 
2013-05-07 01:33:13 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Also the more stuff you have, the more you are depending on the government to enforce the laws that say someone can't just take your stuff. So you should pay more.


So your plan to eliminate a regressive tax is to implement a regressive*1000 tax.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-07 01:34:49 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.
Politicians do not do what constituents want.


We The People are stupid. We don't always want what's best for us, and we tend to be rather short-sighted. Playing Devil's Advocate: what's the potential long-term effect of NOT taxing internet sales? Well, as we're already seeing a lot of brick and mortar stores will go out of business. That means people will lose jobs. When larger anchor stores close down, a lot of nearby smaller shops go under because they lose the traffic. Many of these are chains, many are privately owned businesses. When stores close, offices leave town. And the spiral goes on.

We all knew this day was coming.
 
2013-05-07 01:35:25 AM
"It's about the way commerce has changed in America," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. "Bookstores, stores that sell running shoes, bicycles and appliances are at a distinct disadvantage. They've become showrooms."

I bet Dick Durbin would have voted to legislate against cars, too, in order to preserve the whip-and-buggy industry.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:08 AM

MadSkillz: RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.

The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.

3 steps to fixing the country

1. repeal all current sales and income taxes
2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)
3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).

This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.

Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.
Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.

And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.

You realize your brilliant scheme will:

Tax the shiat out of old people who own a house.

Discourage owning anything, which will make the finance system basically interest on rentals.

Discourage foreigners investing in the USA.

Discourage any investment, research or development.

Start a war with the largest holder of government debt, China, a war your country cannot afford.

And tell me, how do you assign a fair market value to an IP? Especially if it has no market? Cost? Buddy, the cost can be manipulated to hell and back.


1. the old people can A. rent a room to a friend or relative B. sell their expensive house and get a cheaper one and live off the difference, not much different than now
2. a wealth tax doesnt discourage wealth and more than an income tax discourages income or sales tax discourages sales, its just a more fair way to fund the government
3. foreign investors assets are protected by our government the same as domestically owned assets, they should share the burdens in the cost of that protection
4. what is a person with extra money going to do with it other than invest it (and doubly so considering it is taxed every year)? and most theoretical research is done w/ public funds now anyway so nothing would change there
5. china doesn't have the capability to invade taiwan, why would they possibly want a war? They are getting the better end of the trade deal even with a 15-20% haircut but even then the cash export tax could be avoided by trading in goods (thus creating domestic jobs).
6. the way you assess the market value of IP is to auction it off annually. The owner of the IP would have the option to either accept the bid and sell the IP to the bidder or to pay the tax on the value of the bid. Example, author rights a book and registers it for copyright. Current value is 0. Book is immediately put up for auction and a publisher sees it and offers 10k. Author can choose to take the 10k or to pay the "value" tax which will buy another year of copyright protection. Repeat every year. There would need to be practical safeguards to confirm bidders have the assets to pay before their bids are accepted.
 
2013-05-07 01:43:10 AM
Congress can bite my cock. admittedly they had the lowest approval ratings ever but if I had any approval for them left they just lost it. Because this isn't about leveling the playing field, it's about congress getting more money from us and giving it to the rich/businesses/government

Anything I try to sell will be on craigslist and it won't sell, dammit sorry no tax owed there if there's no sale. Anything I buy will still be from the same places I buy it from now... mostly amazon because they have the stuff and even with tax they are still cheaper than local.

Mostly the only thing I buy local is groceries and my state does not tax food items (yet)
 
2013-05-07 01:44:09 AM

pedrop357: dumbobruni: pedrop357: dumbobruni: delivery services & warehouses don't require road features & traffic control devices? have you seen a fulfillment center up close?

different inspections, but not more inspections (which retailers pay licensing fees for)

Warehouses and industrial areas don't have quite the same level of road and surface features, traffic lights, etc. like retail areas.  They don't have the same police, medical, or fire needs either.

There's an industrial area in West, Texas that would certainly disagree with you.

Wow, you found one exception.  I think I have some dog treats around here somewhere.

Now try to think bigger and compare government services to industrial areas vs those to retail.

Also, if you're suggesting that more retail focused areas receive the same level of services as industrial areas, how can the extra taxes collected from retail purchases be justified?


Sigh.  Mr. Out-of-State Seller, the service my State provides for you is customers.  If I spend money to raise fish, you are damned well going to pay me for the privilege of catching them, even if it's only a fin that you slice off the fish that you catch.
 
2013-05-07 01:46:02 AM

pedrop357: tenpoundsofcheese: pedrop357: tenpoundsofcheese: yet another tax cheat.
pay your fair share.

As soon as my state justifies that share.

That isn't how it works in this country.
You are pathetic.

Yes, actually it is.  Taxation without representation and all that.


oh look, you confused representation with the state needing to justifies why they need your share.
how special you are.  how very, very special.
 
2013-05-07 01:50:05 AM

James F. Campbell: "It's about the way commerce has changed in America," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. "Bookstores, stores that sell running shoes, bicycles and appliances are at a distinct disadvantage. They've become showrooms."

I bet Dick Durbin would have voted to legislate against cars, too, in order to preserve the whip-and-buggy industry.



1872 Aaron Montgomery Ward produces his first mail-order catalog for his mail order business.

1873 Dick Durbin throws a hissy fit
 
2013-05-07 01:50:22 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: I don't know about you but I have renters insurance where I can claim $x for a total loss of all of my stuff. For individuals the tax would be $x*taxrate


so now you are going to require everyone to have renters insurance too?

Also the more stuff you have, the more you are depending on the government to enforce the laws that say someone can't just take your stuff. So you should pay more.

That really is the stupidest thing I have heard on fark.
If a billionaire decides to have his own security, then using your stupid "logic" he shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
 
2013-05-07 01:54:06 AM
This doesn't concern me one. Anyone who has ever shopped around for a laptop charger should know where I'm coming from. Taxes won't come close to closing the gap between online and brick/mortar retailers, for all but the heaviest items.
 
2013-05-07 01:56:02 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Sigh. Mr. Out-of-State Seller, the service my State provides for you is customers. If I spend money to raise fish, you are damned well going to pay me for the privilege of catching them, even if it's only a fin that you slice off the fish that you catch.


My state does not provide ME to someone else.  The state's money comes from me.
The state does not magically come into money that it  then lavishes on me so that it can present me to others.
 
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