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(The Big Story) NewsFlash US Senate passes Internet Sales Tax Bill. Why? Because fark you, that's why   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 573
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2013-05-06 10:50:16 PM  

albuquerquehalsey:


Now THAT is funny. Well played sir.
 
jgi
2013-05-06 10:50:26 PM  
Hugely anti-small business legislation. Amazon can cope with this. Small businesses may find it to be a huge paperwork burden. $1M in gross sales in a year is not a lot if you sell high price, low margin items. The negative side of this bill isn't that we all have to pay sales tax on online purchases. The negative side is that the large corporations win again.
 
2013-05-06 10:51:03 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: In every Walmart thread, there are countless comments about how people should shun the evil empire and support their local mom and pop stores. Why are you all so upset about this then?


i.imgur.com

Meh. I was just going to buy a cheap casket. And only because there isn't a Ralph's around here.
 
2013-05-06 10:51:19 PM  

feckingmorons: If you live in Deleware, Montana or Oregon you have no state sales or use tax.


I live in Montana. Get farked, ya bastards.
 
2013-05-06 10:51:35 PM  
Once again an old and outdated industry is crying to the federal government to step in and stop other people from competing with them.
 
2013-05-06 10:51:50 PM  
Why does subby hate democracy? The people want to pay more taxes.
 
2013-05-06 10:52:52 PM  

feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.


You are a sucker.
 
2013-05-06 10:52:55 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: [24.media.tumblr.com image 303x488]


media.tumblr.com

White people problems, you say?
 
2013-05-06 10:53:06 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: feckingmorons: If you live in Deleware, Montana or Oregon you have no state sales or use tax.

I live in Montana. Get farked, ya bastards.


If you live in Montana or any other state with no sales tax, this shouldn't affect you at all. So congrats!
 
2013-05-06 10:53:20 PM  
We live in 'Because FU, that's why' times.
 
2013-05-06 10:54:19 PM  
I'm sure this will solve illinois' financial problems.
 
2013-05-06 10:54:21 PM  

12349876: TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.

Amazon's betting that quick delivery times will overcome a sales tax....


Psh, Amazon is the largest online retailer, they're the ones best able to adjust to the new regulations and they'll still be able to offer a bigger selection and lower prices than any traditional retailer. This legislation will create additional barriers to competition for Amazon without truly affecting their ability to compete with brick and mortar stores and save Amazon from having to fight this battle through the courts over the next few years.
 
2013-05-06 10:54:27 PM  
www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-06 10:54:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.


It's the smaller online vendors who will be unable to handle the crazy quilt of sales taxes and their associated states' tax software that's somehow supposed to work seamlessly with their own, and subsequently fail, leaving the big boys like Amazon standing and, again, profiting.
 
2013-05-06 10:54:43 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: It excuses all companies with less than one million in online sales.

Total sales, not just online sales.


Whoops, I was mistaken.  "Remote sales," not total sales or just online sales.
 
2013-05-06 10:55:03 PM  

DrPainMD: Why does subby hate democracy? The people want to pay more taxes.


People are stupid
 
2013-05-06 10:55:21 PM  

Somacandra: I guess since sales taxes are inherently regressive its a sorta bad thing, but I can't get outraged.


And, if you want to play that out, this will be... less regressive. It'll still be according-to-Hoyle regressive, of course. But it's not like the urban poor have been making out like bandits by avoiding online sales tax.

It shifts a slight bit of tax burden to middle and upper-middle class, primarily suburban, consumers. It's not really going to bother the 1%, it's not going to really be an issue for the bottom 20%. For the rest of us- we get to pitch in and pay our share for civilization. Fair enough.
 
2013-05-06 10:55:46 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Once again an old and outdated industry is crying to the federal government to step in and stop other people from competing with them.


How is the equal application of tax laws inhibiting competition?  As it is now, e-tailers have a government sponsored competitive advantage. That's what's anti-competitive.
 
2013-05-06 10:55:51 PM  
Right.

They can tax this but they can't farking legalize, regulate and tax online poker.
 
2013-05-06 10:56:37 PM  
- Benghazi
- Dijon Mustard
- ACORN
- Internet Sales Tax

Just adding another item to the list of reasons Taxbongo should be impeached.  Don't mind me.

Just like liberals don't mind showering.  LOL!!!  Get owned, stupid libs.  Get owned.
 
2013-05-06 10:57:29 PM  
This is probably unconstitutional.  Essentially, they want to force retailers to pay a tax determined by a government that they have no representation in.  If the state that the business is located in wishes to levy a tax on online retailers located in their state when they sell to out of state customers, that is their choice.  I'd support them doing it like that.

I live in Pennsylvania.  If I buy something from California, the price of that product should have the California sales tax added to it.  The California business can petition their representatives if they feel the tax rate is unfair, or they can relocate to a lower tax jurisdiction, so their rights are being upheld.  On the other hand, if they are forced to pay the Pennsylvania sales tax, they have no redress because they have no representative in the body that is levying the tax on them.
 
2013-05-06 10:57:35 PM  

Two Hearted: BestBuy.com and Target.com are giddy about this, but I'm still not going to shop at either sites. I buy things on Amazon, not because they don't charge sales tax, but because Amazon is a million times easier to navigate, the shipping is a million times better, and the review system is actually decent. I'd stab my own dick with a snail fork before buying anything from either of those two sites.


I can't really tell if you're trolling or not. Kind of funny, in any case.
 
2013-05-06 10:57:42 PM  

lenfromak: TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.

It's the smaller online vendors who will be unable to handle the crazy quilt of sales taxes and their associated states' tax software that's somehow supposed to work seamlessly with their own, and subsequently fail, leaving the big boys like Amazon standing and, again, profiting.


Stop making a fool of yourself and go  read the bill before discussing it.

http://www.marketplacefairness.org/
 
2013-05-06 10:57:50 PM  

Jesterling: [www.charlock.org image 651x433]


pretty much
 
2013-05-06 10:58:14 PM  

jgi: Hugely anti-small business legislation. Amazon can cope with this. Small businesses may find it to be a huge paperwork burden. $1M in gross sales in a year is not a lot if you sell high price, low margin items. The negative side of this bill isn't that we all have to pay sales tax on online purchases. The negative side is that the large corporations win again.


This is exactly it.

And why not stimulate production among common people and eliminate the barriers that really SHOULD just be to prevent monopolies. Grade on a curve... Perhaps Bezos doesn't want the competition.
 
2013-05-06 10:58:54 PM  

ArkAngel: Thoguh: I don't have a problem with this.  It'll cut down on really blatant tax evasion, that's it.  And smaller companies won't have to "deal with 9,000 tax codes" or anything like that.  Some vendor will see a business opportunity to run all that stuff for a small surcharge and all the small businesses will just contract through them.


Smaller companies won't have to deal with it at all. It excuses all companies with less than one million in online sales.


Just give it time. All taxes get bigger and more invasive, never the other way around.


Taxes NEVER go down....


www.cbpp.org:
 
2013-05-06 10:58:56 PM  

IronTom: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

That was when the $250k and up were paying them.  This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.


Obama: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Lying SOB.
 
2013-05-06 10:59:27 PM  
IronTom


basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

That was when the $250k and up were paying them. This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.

Well, good thing the democrats only want to raise taxes on the "rich".
 
2013-05-06 10:59:29 PM  

feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.

If you live in Deleware, Montana or Oregon you have no state sales or use tax. All others should be paying their use tax as the law requires unless the vendor collects it.

This will not raise your tax burden one cent. It will however create an accounting nightmare for the sellers and many smaller sellers will simply close. Those that remain open will have higher tax compliance costs and will pass those costs along to the consumer.

If you people had paid your taxes all along like you're supposed to you wouldn't be facing this problem. Quill v. North Dakota was not litigated to save you from paying the tax you rightfully owe, it was litigated so Quill and retailers similarly situated wouldn't be required to comply with tax laws in jurisdictions in which they have no nexus.

TLDR version - you already owe these taxes, you don't pay them. Now they want businesses to collect them because you won't pay voluntarily and prices will go up. Pay your taxes deadbeats.


Seriously? Do you save every receipt from a online purchase; a book or a dongle or something rather incidental.
And claim that toal  up and pay taxes on those when you fill out fed and state taxes?
I can't even remember what I bought online last year--I'm sure it wasn't much. But I certainly didn't log it for reference in April 14. I'm pretty sure..almost 100 percent sure, you purchased "Something" online you forgot to log in your perfect little world for tax reporting. Or you might have forgotten to claim a import form for a incidental thingy from Mexico to customs.
Might have been a couple of bucks--but then again we're haggling over the price at that point for what you might have done.
 
2013-05-06 10:59:30 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: I'm okay with this, sorta.

They should make it apply to businesses that do more than $10 Million in sales or 50 employees, just like mail order businesses, rather than $1 million or 50 employees.



 . . . typical Leftist, "Eat the Rich" mentality
 
2013-05-06 10:59:38 PM  

DrPainMD: feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.


You are a sucker.



Your statement, it is redundant.
 
2013-05-06 11:00:26 PM  
Not to be an a$$ (okay, so I am going to be one):

Idiots complaining this will be a "compliance nightmare" for small business, you've been suckered. Years ago, at least 10, there were companies selling fully indexed tax databases in combinations of states, counties, and so on. You could buy a nationwide list on cd, or online, and even subscriptions for a discount.

You think this is going to cause a problem? Excuse me while I laugh at your ignorance.
 
2013-05-06 11:00:41 PM  
It seems this is unlikely to affect a lot of small businesses, but is highly likely to create a clusterfark of accounting work for any online business that generates more than $1 mil in profits. Trying to create an online purchasing system to calculate tax rates for different states, in addition to shipping costs, will just make the whole online purchasing process more difficult. But maybe that is the ultimate goal...

And will this boil down to state legislatures? I lived in a county in Florida that added a 1% county tax on top of the state tax. Will individuals purchasing in specific counties eventually be held to these regulations?

/this post got away from me...
 
2013-05-06 11:00:42 PM  

DrPainMD: feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.

You are a sucker.


Depends. He's doing what everyone's supposed to be doing if their state has sales tax, but like I said you're unlikely to get caught if you don't in most states. Not sure how strict Florida is with it.

Let's say I bought a couple of things in NJ (7% sales tax statewide) that I end up using here in NY (8.625% sales tax in my county, rate varies by county). Technically I'm supposed to pay the difference. Are they going to look closely into my purchases and charge me? Very unlikely. But I wouldn't blame anyone for paying.

/haven't actually done that so don't come after me, NYSDTF
 
2013-05-06 11:00:44 PM  

EvilIguana966: This is probably unconstitutional.  Essentially, they want to force retailers to pay a tax determined by a government that they have no representation in.  If the state that the business is located in wishes to levy a tax on online retailers located in their state when they sell to out of state customers, that is their choice.  I'd support them doing it like that.

I live in Pennsylvania.  If I buy something from California, the price of that product should have the California sales tax added to it.  The California business can petition their representatives if they feel the tax rate is unfair, or they can relocate to a lower tax jurisdiction, so their rights are being upheld.  On the other hand, if they are forced to pay the Pennsylvania sales tax, they have no redress because they have no representative in the body that is levying the tax on them.


Remote sellers are not being taxed.  They are collecting taxes from in-state buyers and remitting that money to the buyer's state.
 
2013-05-06 11:00:56 PM  
A lot states, red ones especially, need revenue.  The sequester is killing them.  This is going to mean exactly jack diddley in terms of hurting sales, and it will raise much needed revenue.
 
2013-05-06 11:01:09 PM  

EvilIguana966: This is probably unconstitutional.  Essentially, they want to force retailers to pay a tax determined by a government that they have no representation in.  If the state that the business is located in wishes to levy a tax on online retailers located in their state when they sell to out of state customers, that is their choice.  I'd support them doing it like that.

I live in Pennsylvania.  If I buy something from California, the price of that product should have the California sales tax added to it.  The California business can petition their representatives if they feel the tax rate is unfair, or they can relocate to a lower tax jurisdiction, so their rights are being upheld.  On the other hand, if they are forced to pay the Pennsylvania sales tax, they have no redress because they have no representative in the body that is levying the tax on them.


Chief Justice Roberts and the Commerce Clause would like to have a word with you.
 
2013-05-06 11:01:49 PM  

GameSprocket: So, I guess Amazon's web services will soon include a tax calculator. The trick will be dealing with the special rules for categories like clothing.


Or items you can eat
 
2013-05-06 11:02:21 PM  
Any business with under $1million in internet sales is exempt? I hope that this is correct.
 
2013-05-06 11:02:40 PM  
www.littlestuffedbull.com
 
2013-05-06 11:02:57 PM  
Supporters say the bill makes it relatively easy for Internet retailers to comply. States must provide free computer software to help retailers calculate sales taxes, based on where shoppers live. States must also establish a single entity to receive Internet sales tax revenue, so retailers don't have to send it to individual counties or cities.

Weird, that's right in TFA.
 
2013-05-06 11:03:01 PM  

tjfly: IronTom: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

That was when the $250k and up were paying them.  This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.

Obama: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Lying SOB.


So the President controls your state taxes?
 
2013-05-06 11:03:02 PM  

EvilIguana966: This is probably unconstitutional.  Essentially, they want to force retailers to pay a tax determined by a government that they have no representation in.  If the state that the business is located in wishes to levy a tax on online retailers located in their state when they sell to out of state customers, that is their choice.  I'd support them doing it like that.

I live in Pennsylvania.  If I buy something from California, the price of that product should have the California sales tax added to it.  The California business can petition their representatives if they feel the tax rate is unfair, or they can relocate to a lower tax jurisdiction, so their rights are being upheld.  On the other hand, if they are forced to pay the Pennsylvania sales tax, they have no redress because they have no representative in the body that is levying the tax on them.


I know that sounds good, but it doesn't work that way.
 
2013-05-06 11:03:34 PM  
i86.photobucket.com


Since I live in BFE Michigan I shop on-line mostly because I can't get something locally and not because I'm looking for a tax free shopping experience. And when I do try to find a deal on-line on something I could get locally it would have to be a hell a lot more then 6% cheaper anyway when you factor in shipping cost and wait times.
 
2013-05-06 11:03:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: In every Walmart thread, there are countless comments about how people should shun the evil empire and support their local mom and pop stores. Why are you all so upset about this then?


I think the small businesses on the internet would be the most harmed... the big guys can have accountants and lawyers and programmers redo their method of processing in a matter of days... for little guys, they may simply be unable to afford the tax complexities of each and every state they might be shipping to, it could just be the end of them.
 
2013-05-06 11:03:50 PM  
The democrat's answer to brick & mortar businesses getting screwed...... Screw the internet businesses too!

That'll help the economy.  Just farking brilliant.
 
2013-05-06 11:04:33 PM  
Cook County board members are gonna be up all night figuring out how to soak me on this, so I got THAT going for me.

"We've devised a new formula, much like the property tax formula. Basically we total OUR bills from last year, then divide by the number of Internet capable devices we estimate are in the county. Your bill will be that number times all of your devices plus $50."
 
2013-05-06 11:04:37 PM  

Whodat: Any business with under $1million in internet sales is exempt? I hope that this is correct.


Any business with less than one million in out-of-state sales, via the internet or otherwise.
 
2013-05-06 11:04:59 PM  
fark Harry Reid in the ass with a sharp stick!
 
2013-05-06 11:06:16 PM  

Whodat: Any business with under $1million in internet sales is exempt? I hope that this is correct.



Yes, but it is Gross sales.  Not net profit.  Keep that in mind.  The bill is not talking about profit exemptions for small businesses.

A business only needs to churn one million dollars to be in the system, even if it takes home much less.
 
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