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(The Big Story) NewsFlash US Senate passes Internet Sales Tax Bill. Why? Because fark you, that's why   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 573
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2013-05-06 10:18:22 PM

AirForceVet: This will probably increase sales at the military exchange website as it's always sales tax free.


I foresee a boom in e-commerce shops hosted in Native American reservations.

They'll get back the land that was stolen one dollar at a time, just like with casinos and cigarettes. I don't have any serious qualms about that.
 
2013-05-06 10:18:25 PM

IronTom: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

That was when the $250k and up were paying them.  This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.


Exactly. Don't tax the losers.
 
2013-05-06 10:18:25 PM
Raising prices on goods isn't a good way to stimulate the economy...this is another example of how politicians do the exact the opposite to stimulate growth.
 
2013-05-06 10:18:26 PM

Vodka Zombie: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

I like society and civilization and all the wonderful trappings that come along with it.

Like roads and bridges and, yes, parks.


And you like paying for them in the most regressive way possible?
 
2013-05-06 10:18:29 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Politicians do not do what constituents want.


Dunno, mang, have you ever listened to the average vote spiel on politics?  If you listen to what the internet denizens in any thread wants, they want quality, free entertainment and more pay at work because Windows 8 doesn't le network itself.

I wouldn't listen to them, either.
 
2013-05-06 10:18:35 PM
BestBuy.com and Target.com are giddy about this, but I'm still not going to shop at either sites. I buy things on Amazon, not because they don't charge sales tax, but because Amazon is a million times easier to navigate, the shipping is a million times better, and the review system is actually decent. I'd stab my own dick with a snail fork before buying anything from either of those two sites.
 
2013-05-06 10:18:41 PM
Sorry brick and mortar stores, you are still just showrooms or I need it now stores. My large purchases will still be done mostly online because it costs less.

\yes, I have to and do pay the sales tax where I live for online purchases
 
2013-05-06 10:18:42 PM
 
2013-05-06 10:19:12 PM
I always get a kick out of the people who think shipping is a cost. If you're selling goods online and you're not making money on shipping you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-05-06 10:20:13 PM

dopekitty74: So canadians are still free to buy online from US companies without having to pay taxes then?


Yes, but you'll still end up paying taxes to Canada Customs. And of course, the extra bonus of them wasting an extra day or so, and charging you an additional $10 fee for the privilege.
 
2013-05-06 10:20:22 PM
As someone who deals with sales tax for my company on a regular basis, this will make my job a lot easier since more companies will actually charge the proper tax on our purchases.

For others it sucks, though really it's more of a stricter way to enforce tax laws already in place than it is a creation of a new tax. Depending on your state you're technically breaking the law by not paying use tax on your out-of-state purchases, but you were also unlikely to get caught. This lessens that a bit.
 
2013-05-06 10:20:32 PM

dopekitty74: So canadians are still free to buy online from US companies without having to pay taxes then?


What?
 
2013-05-06 10:20:58 PM
Who's to say Chicago or New York won't say hey fark it I want a cut also
 
2013-05-06 10:21:04 PM
Amazon and every other sizeable business would relocate to Delaware or some other state without a sales tax. That's asking for a national sales tax. A bad bad bad bad idea, if  you ask me.

Fortunately, this will die in the House. Which sort of makes me think maybe its a good idea, except I think in this case the republitards are right in not trying to enforce an unenforceable (or at least idiotic) law.
 
2013-05-06 10:21:14 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.
Politicians do not do what constituents want.
They do what big money wants, or they do something that will allow them to take in more of our cash so they can spend it on shiat constituents don't want.


Like functional, modern infrastructure.
 
2013-05-06 10:21:24 PM

Vodka Zombie: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

I like society and civilization and all the wonderful trappings that come along with it.

Like roads and bridges and, yes, parks.


I'm with  Vodka Zombie on the roads and bridges, but I also like the thought of all the Fark Independents™, tax protestors, and self-made millionaires (what with their bootstraps and nobody never giving them nothin') having to pay taxes like good little citizens.

And when I say enjoy, I mean "aroused by." Yeah, that's right, let me hear you scream, you middle-class biatches. Get ready to take all eleven marginal percent right up your tight little tax hole.
 
2013-05-06 10:21:30 PM
Not sure what the big deal is with this. You buy stuff, you pay sales tax. That's life
 
2013-05-06 10:21:38 PM
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Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Moran (R-KS)
 
2013-05-06 10:21:50 PM
Remember, They aren't tracking YOUR dildo.

Just A dildo.
 
2013-05-06 10:21:54 PM
Must be the will of the American people.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:13 PM
I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:26 PM

Rindred: So, if I buy something online. The vendor/store isn't in my state. The company that I have my credit card with doesn't reside in my state. The company that processes the credit card to pay the vendor doesn't reside in my state. Question: what entitles my state to even one penny of that transaction? If I cross a state border and buy a sandwich, I don't pay my home state sales tax on it. This isn't the same thing how?


Presumably you're using the item in your state, unlike the sandwich. That's the difference. Sales tax and use tax generally go hand-in-hand.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:35 PM
So once this passes and brick and mortar stores still get trounced by the internet what will be the excuse be next time?  How about local sales tax?
 
2013-05-06 10:22:38 PM

Rindred: So, if I buy something online. The vendor/store isn't in my state. The company that I have my credit card with doesn't reside in my state. The company that processes the credit card to pay the vendor doesn't reside in my state. Question: what entitles my state to even one penny of that transaction? If I cross a state border and buy a sandwich, I don't pay my home state sales tax on it. This isn't the same thing how?



If you had something shipped to you, you made a transaction in the state you live in.  The value was recieved wherever it was shipped.  Why is it different than buying it in a local store who has to charge sales tax?  If you crossed state lines, you would have made a transaction in another state where you received the goods.  We tax where the transaction value was received.  Why is that hard?

If you want to argue the concept of a sales tax, fine, you have a point.  But to argue that the method of purchase determines whether its taxable by anyone is absurd.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:39 PM
can't say I'm happy about it... but I can't really complain either. It was bound to happen. how many big retailers have closed their doors since becoming nothing more than a place for people to look at an item before ordering it online for less?
 
2013-05-06 10:22:42 PM
There's nothing wrong with a sales tax on discretionary purchases. It's one of the few ways to impose a flat tax without screwing lower-income households. BUT...this sounds like a logistical nightmare for small business who want to sell online.The fair solution would be to impose a federal sales tax on online purchases, and distribute the revenue among the states according to each state's total online purchases.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:47 PM
It just farking amazes me that things like minor gun control, equal pay for women, and healthcare do not pass, but a tax on everything passes without a problem...man you guys really need to start getting pissed about the way they run this place.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:48 PM
FTA: "Supporters say the current tax disparity is turning some traditional stores into showrooms, where shoppers pick out items they like, then buy them on the Internet to avoid sales taxes."

NOT FAIR!!!!

3.bp.blogspot.com

Times change.

What, you expected people to buy buggy whips forever?
 
2013-05-06 10:23:02 PM
Brought to you by your small business, brick and mortar minded, friends at ....

Wal-Mart.

This whole thing was because Wally world decided Amazon was getting to much of their pie.

farking Assholes.
 
2013-05-06 10:23:12 PM
How about this: the house and senate can only pass 4 laws per year and must eliminate 2?
 
2013-05-06 10:23:45 PM
Hmmm. Which party controls the senate?
...
The party of "Me First" plutocrats, consisting of both nominal democrats and nominal republicans!
 
2013-05-06 10:23:58 PM
FTFA: "As a result, many online sales are tax-free, giving Internet retailers an advantage over brick-and-mortar stores."

Ummm...yeah...no...

Internet retailers offer an overall less expensive price because they do not have to staff multiple physical locations and pay all the bills that come with traditional brick-and-mortar sales locations.

I have never purchased a single item online simply to save a few bucks from sales tax...I've purchased stuff online because it is usually 20%-30% less.
 
2013-05-06 10:24:23 PM

A Shambling Mound: I always get a kick out of the people who think shipping is a cost. If you're selling goods online and you're not making money on shipping you're doing it wrong.


A lot of stuff from secondary sellers on Amazon is $0.01. If this actually passed, even more stuff would be priced that way, with $7.99 shipping.
 
2013-05-06 10:24:27 PM
Okay, sounds good.

Why doesn't the federal government set up a public server that returns taxes that must be collected when given an address, then another division that accepts the taxes from companies, which them disburses the tax funds to the correct states, cities, what have you?
Would make some jobs to handle all that.
 
2013-05-06 10:24:37 PM

jeffowl: Vodka Zombie: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....

I like society and civilization and all the wonderful trappings that come along with it.

Like roads and bridges and, yes, parks.

And you like paying for them in the most regressive way possible?


As opposed to progressive income taxes on the wealthy?
 
2013-05-06 10:25:02 PM

chitlenz: Brought to you by your small business, brick and mortar minded, friends at ....

Wal-Mart.

This whole thing was because Wally world decided Amazon was getting to much of their pie.

farking Assholes.


Small businesses will appreciate the fact that Walmart initiated this, if in fact they did (I have no idea if what you're saying is factual or not).

They don't have the legal team available to lobby for it. But, if you think about it, it will help them quite a bit.
 
2013-05-06 10:25:05 PM
Nobody worry.  I just got an email stating that Bill Gates (and you know he's got a mountain of money) will pay the sales tax on my Internet purchases for the next 20 years if I forward the email to 10 of my friends.  Apparently Microsoft has some new email tracking system, and when I just tested it out, guess what?  No sales taxes on my purchase.  So send me an email (my username @ gmail) with photos of your genitals and I'll forward the email from Bill Gates to you.
 
2013-05-06 10:25:50 PM

TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.


IIRC they're facing multiple lawsuits from state governments to recover lost state sales taxes -- this would make all those go away.
 
2013-05-06 10:26:04 PM
Wait.

Toomey voted against this thing?
Between this and his sponsoring the background checks bill, maybehe's not insane after all.
 
2013-05-06 10:26:16 PM

Rindred: So, if I buy something online. The vendor/store isn't in my state. The company that I have my credit card with doesn't reside in my state. The company that processes the credit card to pay the vendor doesn't reside in my state. Question: what entitles my state to even one penny of that transaction? If I cross a state border and buy a sandwich, I don't pay my home state sales tax on it. This isn't the same thing how?


It's entitled to the tax because you live there, use its roads, its schools, its police force, its fire departments, its state parks, and countless other services.  At some point, the elected representatives all got together and figured out that a small percentage tacked onto a business transaction would be the best way to fund the many services the residents demanded.  Now that the nature of business transactions have changed because of technology, those tax laws need to be adjusted to continue to pay for services that the public still wants.
 
2013-05-06 10:26:39 PM
FTFA: "Supporters say the current tax disparity is turning some traditional stores into showrooms, where shoppers pick out items they like, then buy them on the Internet to avoid sales taxes."

Wrong again.  Walk into Best Buy and see a 60" Sharp TV for $1899, hop online and it can be found for $1329 with free 2 day shipping.  Sales Tax has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-05-06 10:27:01 PM

fusillade762: t me. No sales tax in Oregon. Neener, neener.


FTA...Under the legislation, the sales taxes would be sent to the state where the shopper lives.

So, if an Oregon online business sold items to someone living in a state that has a sales tax, the online retailer would be required to collect the sales tax and send it to that state.

And this is going to be particularly hard on small online retailers. However, businesses with less than $1 million in online sales would be exempt.
 
2013-05-06 10:27:26 PM

Do the needful: AverageAmericanGuy: How did JC Penney and Sears do it before in the age of catalog ordering?

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 471x640]

See about 3/4 of the way down?


Huh. Neat.
 
2013-05-06 10:27:40 PM

ArgusRun: Bullcrap.  Software and apps exist now to do the calculations and filing for you.  Way esier for the seller to do this than for individual purchasers.


I live in a state with no sales tax.  Why should I need to calculate sales tax on purchases in states I don't do business in?
 
2013-05-06 10:27:56 PM
So, I guess Amazon's web services will soon include a tax calculator. The trick will be dealing with the special rules for categories like clothing.
 
2013-05-06 10:27:59 PM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-06 10:28:00 PM

Nuclear Monk: It's entitled to the tax because you live there, use its roads, its schools, its police force, its fire departments, its state parks, and countless other services


that's a lot of dildoes
 
2013-05-06 10:29:19 PM
I run my Internet sales business in Delaware, home of tax free shopping, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-05-06 10:29:35 PM
I'd rather have this than my income taxes going up. At least everyone pays this.
 
JVD
2013-05-06 10:29:36 PM
Fark you government. Fark you.
 
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