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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 681
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2013-05-07 05:09:05 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Walter Paisley: Waldo Pepper: Lionel Mandrake: Kangaroo_Ralph: I Said: Let's say the GOP and their tinfoil brigade is correct: What motive would the president have to, seemingly according to the right, withhold protection and drag their feet and laugh maniacally while the embassy was attacked?

People like you keep asking this question, and when the answer is presented to you, you just choose to ignore it.  It was this administration's motive to claim, at the height of a political campaign in which Obama was taking credit for the fall of al Qaeda, that the death of a U.S. ambassador was down to spontaneous outrage over a video, rather than pre-planned terrorism.

Continue to ignore it and your motive is transparent as well.

So, that's the scandal?  Really?

This is what's got Republican knickers all twisted?

I mean, I've heard all this video stuff before, of course, but I always thought that was the starting point to an actual scandal of some sort.  This is why there's steam shooting out of Republican's ears?  Wow.

Next you'll be telling me that 0bongo claims to prefer Pepsi, but secretly drinks Coke.

What was Watergate about?

It was about Nixon's campaign staff facing obscenity charges after being caught engaging in water sports or something.

I'm not sure the politics tab is the proper place to share your fantasies


You think the politics tab is a fantasy-free zone? Do you not read the threads here very often?
 
2013-05-07 05:14:04 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Brubold: kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

As we've been over, if they'd shown up as soon as they could have, they would have arrived just in time to be killed by mortar fire.

And then Republicans would be talking about how Obama didn't just sit and watch Americans die, he ORDERED them to die.

And this is why whistle blowers were threatened to keep them silent. Riiight.

Face it Dems, new boss is the same as the old boss when it comes to transparency, taking away our civil rights, and selling us out to big business. This is all you will ever get from a candidate with a D or an R next to his or her name.

Yep, expanding gun rights is taking away our rights. No one being able to explain how Benghazi is a scandal and what the lies were is Benghazi is a scandal and lies. Helping small businesses is selling us out to big business.

And both sides are bad so vote Republican.


You do know there are civil rights outside of gun rights, don't you? This is the president who you people claimed was going to restore those rights not take even more of them away. He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it. He was going to close Gitmo and end that evil indefinite detention. This is a myth exposed even by very left leaning sources. Obama not only planned to keep the indefinite detention in place, he signed a bill "reluctantly" that expanded it to include US citizens. If you want to know how he sold us out to big business look at how he's kept the same old crew running the fed. Look at how his healthcare bill did nothing to ease the actual cost of healthcare. He forced us to buy it and didn't do anything to keep the insurance companies from jacking up the prices. He promised to have the most transparent administration ever and has had one of the least transparent ever. Face it, Obama served you all kool-aid and you all drank it down.
 
2013-05-07 05:18:21 PM  

Brubold: kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

As we've been over, if they'd shown up as soon as they could have, they would have arrived just in time to be killed by mortar fire.

And then Republicans would be talking about how Obama didn't just sit and watch Americans die, he ORDERED them to die.

And this is why whistle blowers were threatened to keep them silent. Riiight.

Face it Dems, new boss is the same as the old boss when it comes to transparency, taking away our civil rights, and selling us out to big business. This is all you will ever get from a candidate with a D or an R next to his or her name.


In fairness, the whistleblowers claim to have been threatened. It's certainly possible that they have been, and that those threats are coming because they have damning information which hasn't been made public.

It's also possible that they're simply talking out of their asses, have no actual new information, and have misinterpreted warnings about the possible deleterious effects of slandering their bosses* as "threats".

*Publicly spreading untrue information about your superiors in an attempt to damage their reputations is generally a fireable offense, I would think.

/Just to be clear, I have no idea which of those two scenarios is the truth, just pointing out that it could be very easy for the whistleblowers to misinterpret genuine advice as a threat.
//For example, see Woodward, Bob, re: the sequester negotiations.
 
2013-05-07 05:33:49 PM  
701 comments and not one accusation of slurping?

Guys, I'm kinda getting worried about sen.lindsey graham.


 

colon_pow: i will reserve comment until after the wednesday testimonies.


you should reserve comment until after the heat death of the sun. Zing!
 
2013-05-07 05:41:48 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Lionel Mandrake: Waldo Pepper: Lionel Mandrake: Kangaroo_Ralph: I Said: Let's say the GOP and their tinfoil brigade is correct: What motive would the president have to, seemingly according to the right, withhold protection and drag their feet and laugh maniacally while the embassy was attacked?

People like you keep asking this question, and when the answer is presented to you, you just choose to ignore it.  It was this administration's motive to claim, at the height of a political campaign in which Obama was taking credit for the fall of al Qaeda, that the death of a U.S. ambassador was down to spontaneous outrage over a video, rather than pre-planned terrorism.

Continue to ignore it and your motive is transparent as well.

So, that's the scandal?  Really?

This is what's got Republican knickers all twisted?

I mean, I've heard all this video stuff before, of course, but I always thought that was the starting point to an actual scandal of some sort.  This is why there's steam shooting out of Republican's ears?  Wow.

Next you'll be telling me that 0bongo claims to prefer Pepsi, but secretly drinks Coke.

What was Watergate about?

I suggest you google it.  I don't feel like typing that much.

more a rhetorical question.  

One should wonder what the outcome of the 2012 would have been had Obama came out and said this was a terrorist attack and never tried to misdirect the American public, the world and the media with the video farce.  Got to give Obama credit he has some great PR handlers.


(favorite: i'm not as smart or even a good debater)
 
2013-05-07 05:53:29 PM  

Brubold: Keizer_Ghidorah: Brubold: kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

As we've been over, if they'd shown up as soon as they could have, they would have arrived just in time to be killed by mortar fire.

And then Republicans would be talking about how Obama didn't just sit and watch Americans die, he ORDERED them to die.

And this is why whistle blowers were threatened to keep them silent. Riiight.

Face it Dems, new boss is the same as the old boss when it comes to transparency, taking away our civil rights, and selling us out to big business. This is all you will ever get from a candidate with a D or an R next to his or her name.

Yep, expanding gun rights is taking away our rights. No one being able to explain how Benghazi is a scandal and what the lies were is Benghazi is a scandal and lies. Helping small businesses is selling us out to big business.

And both sides are bad so vote Republican.

You do know there are civil rights outside of gun rights, don't you? This is the president who you people claimed was going to restore those rights not take even more of them away. He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it. He was going to close Gitmo and end that evil indefinite detention. This is a myth exposed even by very left leaning sources. Obama not only planned to keep the indefinite detention in place, he signed a bill "reluctantly" that expanded it to include US citizens. If you want to know how he sold us out to big business look at how he's kept the same old crew running the fed. Look at how his healthcare bill did nothing to ease the actual cost of healthcare. He forced us to buy it and didn't do anything to keep the insurance companies from jacking up the pric ...


He would have closed Gitmo if the Republicans and some Democrats weren't pissing themselves in fear about what to do with the prisoners. Obama is bound by the legislative branch, after all. As for "Obamacare" (actually Romneycare, since it was his idea and Obama didn't change it), I haven't heard of anything from Massachusetts since Romney installed it years ago and he said he'd put it right back up after tearing it down because surely it would be pure and good if a white Republican put it up instead of that filthy evil black Democrat. And forgive me if I'm a little leery of all the "IT'S DOING THE OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO! OBAMA LIES! LIBERAL CHEATS! LEFT-WING DEMONS!" rhetoric, the right's cried wolf far too many times to be trusted.
 
2013-05-07 05:57:08 PM  
I have this feeling that Waldo Pepper sexually molests insects. Just the way he does his statements hits my gut wrong. Does anyone have any links to disprove my inclination?
 
2013-05-07 06:08:38 PM  

LasersHurt: vygramul: See the problem?

You didn't read the article in which the police said they were cops?


What does that have to do with this?

I can see a lot of people are having trouble differentiating between an argument over what constitutes proof, and an argument over whether the person is guilty. Those are two different arguments. My only issue was that boots do not constitute proof.
 
2013-05-07 06:10:30 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: You're still off trying to prove those guys are cops. The question is whether the boots are, in and of themselves, meaningful. They're not.

So go ahead and confuse a visual aid offered in a lighter vein as being sole (arf-arf) proof.

Names and everything

Favorite quote: "The trio were also acquitted of not identifying themselves as police after the committee ruled the protestors' taunts didn't consist of a formal demand for the officers to identify themselves. "


I wasn't confusing a visual aid. I objected to that one piece of evidence as not being proof of their being cops. That's it.
 
2013-05-07 06:38:02 PM  

keylock71: [www.troycitydesign.com image 160x185]


I can hear him with the sound off.
 
2013-05-07 06:48:34 PM  

vygramul: I wasn't confusing a visual aid. I objected to that one piece of evidence as not being proof of their being cops. That's it.


welcometofark.png

/and it's only worse that you've been here 10 years
 
2013-05-07 06:55:24 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: I wasn't confusing a visual aid. I objected to that one piece of evidence as not being proof of their being cops. That's it.

welcometofark.png

/and it's only worse that you've been here 10 years


Weaksauce, dude. It doesn't even make any sense to use "welcometofark" - I wasn't whining, "oh woe is me, you guys are so mean."
 
2013-05-07 07:06:43 PM  

vygramul: Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: I wasn't confusing a visual aid. I objected to that one piece of evidence as not being proof of their being cops. That's it.

welcometofark.png

/and it's only worse that you've been here 10 years

Weaksauce, dude. It doesn't even make any sense to use "welcometofark" - I wasn't whining, "oh woe is me, you guys are so mean."


you're making an excuse. "I'm not wrong!  I wasn't talking about the premise not being factual, I was just arguing over a funny picture".   Whether you intended it as whining or not, that's what it comes off as.

It's really like this:

1) are they cops?  Yes.
2) were they wearing cop boots?  yes.
3) did people noticing that they wore boots just  like cops make people suspicious?  yes.
4) was there additional evidence they were cops. yes.
5) was it stupid to wear cop boots in a disgiuse?  yes.

But go ahead, insist that conclusive proof be part of the first time something is touched on
 
2013-05-07 07:18:29 PM  

DeArmondVI: Waldo Pepper:

One should wonder what the outcome of the 2012 would have been had Obama came out and said this was a terrorist attack and never tried to misdirect the American public, the world and the media with the video farce.  Got to give Obama credit he has some great PR handlers.

Are you saying that was the scandal? How does this look:

Benghazi is a scandal because Obama felt that telling the public that it was an act of terror would undermine his ability to defeat Romney and so they came up with "the big lie": tell the media it was the video that caused other riots and attacks on the same day. He and his advisors felt so because there is no indication in recent memory that terrorist attacks against US citizens could help a politician in the polls.

Sound about right? Can this be the official "scandal" now?


In order to not look weak, they covered up an attack by a group of trained, experienced, well-armed terrorists and instead blamed on a group of random yokels without a plan or any training, because that looks...not weak.

It makes about as much as sense as covering up the fact you got your ass kicked by an Army Ranger in a bar fight, by telling everybody you were actually beaten up by a surly Girl Scout, in order to not look like a pussy.
 
2013-05-07 08:05:52 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: I wasn't confusing a visual aid. I objected to that one piece of evidence as not being proof of their being cops. That's it.

welcometofark.png

/and it's only worse that you've been here 10 years

Weaksauce, dude. It doesn't even make any sense to use "welcometofark" - I wasn't whining, "oh woe is me, you guys are so mean."

you're making an excuse. "I'm not wrong!  I wasn't talking about the premise not being factual, I was just arguing over a funny picture".   Whether you intended it as whining or not, that's what it comes off as.


So you're saying that you, too, are now guilty of whining?

It's really like this:

1) are they cops?  Yes.
2) were they wearing cop boots?  yes.
3) did people noticing that they wore boots just  like cops make people suspicious?  yes.
4) was there additional evidence they were cops. yes.
5) was it stupid to wear cop boots in a disgiuse?  yes.

But go ahead, insist that conclusive proof be part of the first time something is touched on


I object to it because it's the same kind of bullshiat we get for every damn event. "Oh, look! The Boston bombings had guys in the crowd who wore gear similar to federal officials! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!" So when someone offers up easily-to acquire boots as evidence, I'm going to say bullshiat, that's not evidence of crap. I don't care WHAT you're arguing about.

I don't insist conclusive proof should be first. I would have jumped in and objected if it was third. I insist bullshiat not be in it at all.
 
2013-05-07 08:06:41 PM  

Brubold: Keizer_Ghidorah: Brubold: kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

As we've been over, if they'd shown up as soon as they could have, they would have arrived just in time to be killed by mortar fire.

And then Republicans would be talking about how Obama didn't just sit and watch Americans die, he ORDERED them to die.

And this is why whistle blowers were threatened to keep them silent. Riiight.

Face it Dems, new boss is the same as the old boss when it comes to transparency, taking away our civil rights, and selling us out to big business. This is all you will ever get from a candidate with a D or an R next to his or her name.

Yep, expanding gun rights is taking away our rights. No one being able to explain how Benghazi is a scandal and what the lies were is Benghazi is a scandal and lies. Helping small businesses is selling us out to big business.

And both sides are bad so vote Republican.

You do know there are civil rights outside of gun rights, don't you? This is the president who you people claimed was going to restore those rights not take even more of them away. He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it. He was going to close Gitmo and end that evil indefinite detention. This is a myth exposed even by very left leaning sources. Obama not only planned to keep the indefinite detention in place, he signed a bill "reluctantly" that expanded it to include US citizens. If you want to know how he sold us out to big business look at how he's kept the same old crew running the fed. Look at how his healthcare bill did nothing to ease the actual cost of healthcare. He forced us to buy it and didn't do anything to keep the insurance companies from jacking up the pric ...


And yet *this* shiat sandwich

www.cato.org

was still yards better than the Republican alternative.

static.guim.co.uk

\You go to war with the politician you have
 
2013-05-07 08:12:44 PM  

Waldo Pepper: 2wolves: I have this feeling that Waldo Pepper sexually molests insects. Just the way he does his statements hits my gut wrong. Does anyone have any links to disprove my inclination?

Don't knock it until you try it.


Alas, no links.

Doesn't look good.
 
2013-05-07 08:14:32 PM  

Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it


He did end torture.
 
2013-05-07 08:17:01 PM  
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/state-dept-won-t-say-its-own-offi c ials-set-testify-benghazi-are-credible-people

State Dept: ' We can't vouch for these people because we don't know how far down the rabbit hole this goes and whose ass is gonna burn'.
 
2013-05-07 08:19:10 PM  
It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.
 
2013-05-07 08:32:54 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.


Have any statisticals to back it up?

www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-05-07 08:37:12 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.


img.fark.net

This is an image Lt. Old Fart posted the other day. He demands to be taken seriously.
 
2013-05-07 09:01:42 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.


What's coming and what % of your annual gross income do you feel like wagering?
 
2013-05-07 09:25:59 PM  

2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.

What's coming and what % of your annual gross income do you feel like wagering?


Hardly seems fair, me wagering my hard earned dollars vs the dollars Obama gives you.  Try betting with your own instead of derp money.
 
2013-05-07 09:33:04 PM  

Halli: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's coming Obamatards.  Keep derping.

[img.fark.net image 255x480]

This is an image Lt. Old Fart posted the other day. He demands to be taken seriously.


I have to wonder if people genuinely believe Obama said those things.
 
2013-05-07 09:36:11 PM  

vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.


It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.
 
2013-05-07 09:39:09 PM  

Biological Ali: vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.

It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.


No it isn't.
 
2013-05-07 10:08:05 PM  

Biological Ali: vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.

It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.


I didn't see that. My heart goes out to all the victims, though.
 
2013-05-07 10:08:41 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Biological Ali: vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.

It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.

No it isn't.


Know how I know you didn't click his link?
 
2013-05-07 10:28:27 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Biological Ali: vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.

It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.

No it isn't.


The monster!
 
2013-05-08 04:46:47 AM  

vygramul: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Biological Ali: vygramul: Brubold: He was going to end torture and instead he outsourced it

He did end torture.

It's amazing the extent to which you libs will go to ignore the atrocities committed under Obama's watch.

No it isn't.

Know how I know you didn't click his link?


that halfwit didn't even mouse over it.

/too lazy to click
//where's my Obamouse?
 
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