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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 728
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2013-05-07 04:39:37 AM  

MustangFive: *Logic and well-thought-out questions*


You can't reason someone out of an opinion that they didn't reason themselves into. American politics has become so enmeshed with religion over the last few decades that it's become a religion all its own.

And as most everyone knows, you can't argue logic with a religious fanatic.
 
2013-05-07 04:44:12 AM  

LordJiro: log_jammin: whidbey: Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.

If she runs I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

actually I'll probably vote for whoever ends up being the D ticket. i don't see myself voting third part anytime soon.

Same here. Not that I'm particularly devoted to Democrats, but no third party has a strong enough base to win a national campaign. So I'll keep voting D at the national level, and whatever left-wing third parties I can find at the local and state levels.


Instant. Runoff. Voting.

I can dream, can't I?
 
2013-05-07 04:51:12 AM  
My parents watch a lot of Fox News.  They get sooo mad watching it.  I often ask them to explain why they are so mad about certain things and they really can't make sense.  Sometimes they figure it out.  They're not dumb, they're just brainwashed.
 
2013-05-07 04:53:49 AM  

whidbey: Am I bad for thinking "Good maybe they won't run Hillary now?"

Should I feel bad?

/bad


I don't like her, either. And it doesn't even matter. My state is as red as they come.
 
2013-05-07 05:20:40 AM  
Obama isn't the intended target of all this, he just happens to be a (D) while president. The real purpose of the stink is to kick a leg out from under the Hillary table.
 
2013-05-07 05:57:08 AM  
If you smell crap long enough you get used to it, and then suddenly you lose the ability to smell crap anymore.
 
2013-05-07 06:05:32 AM  
REMEMBER FOLKS,

The Scandal is Romney farked up, got called out on it, and the GOP / Conservatives couldn't let it go.

All this Whargarble and Butthurt is a chain reaction from that ONE Event. That one talking point.
 
2013-05-07 06:54:03 AM  
The scandal is that several people stepped on the grass even though there were clear signs that said "Do not step on grass." The problem is that the translation budget was cut and the signs were only available in English.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-05-07 07:00:33 AM  

OgreMagi: Somacandra: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.

[i.imgur.com image 203x152]

Not really. Its just that starting a major war under Doug Feith's false pretences that led to the simultaneous death of tens of thousands of American soliders, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civlians and then mocking the very stated reason for going to war in the first place was pretty much enough to overshadow everything else that happened, not to mention the war profiteering that led to the personal enrichment of the Vice President's former corporate friends and the deliberate sabotage of CIA covert operations in order to humiliate those who challenged the official narrative and the confirmed loss of over $9 Billion dollars in mismanaged funds in Iraq....that was a serious lot of entangled nasty shiat, you'd have to admit.

Yes.  I get it.  "But Bush!"


Did...did you just introduce Bush to the conversation and then criticize someone for using Bush to reply to your Bush comment?

But according to you, its the OBAMA supporters who will defend their preference to death no matter what?

Are you playing any movies on that big ass projection of yours?
 
2013-05-07 07:06:18 AM  

quatchi: So... 8 months later, a youtube video whips Fark trolls up into a fine froth and out they all come to assail and try to conquer Mount Molehill one last time only to all come tumbling down on their asses as usual by failing to make any kind of cogent argument as to what the scandal is here and how things coulda woulda shoulda been done differently.

A'ight, since we're doing this... for the umpteenth time.

The only real scandal over Benghazi is how the GOP have tried politicize the deaths of 4 Americans for purely partisan purposes.

It's not their first manufactured outrage by far but it is the biggest and the most egregious to date.


LOL really the GOP is the only party that politicizes tragedy? Doesn't the Democratic party have to wheel out the Newton, CT parents and Gabby Gifford for a press conference on banning guns from law abiding citizens?
 
2013-05-07 07:12:01 AM  
I read this whole farking thread and I still have no idea what the "scandal" is supposed to be. I also think I need a shower now.

Can't wait to vote for the first woman president in 2015 though.
 
2013-05-07 07:12:24 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Did...did you just introduce Bush to the conversation and then criticize someone for using Bush to reply to your Bush comment?


It was a thing of beauty, wasn't it?
 
2013-05-07 07:13:33 AM  

ginandbacon: I read this whole farking thread and I still have no idea what the "scandal" is supposed to be. I also think I need a shower now.

Can't wait to vote for the first woman president in 2015 though.


Might have to wait a little longer than that. ;)
 
2013-05-07 07:21:23 AM  

fusillade762: Instant. Runoff. Voting.


Where do I sign up?
 
2013-05-07 07:22:50 AM  
Wow. 8 months and counting.

Does anyone remember how long they farked that Whitewater chicken? Is this some kind of new record?
 
2013-05-07 07:23:34 AM  

gadian: ginandbacon: I read this whole farking thread and I still have no idea what the "scandal" is supposed to be. I also think I need a shower now.

Can't wait to vote for the first woman president in 2015 though.

Might have to wait a little longer than that. ;)


LOL oh fine! (I was told there would be no math.)
 
2013-05-07 07:28:18 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Benghazi: Not even once.


Never stick your dick in Benghazi.
 
2013-05-07 07:30:17 AM  

kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

As we've been over, if they'd shown up as soon as they could have, they would have arrived just in time to be killed by mortar fire.

And then Republicans would be talking about how Obama didn't just sit and watch Americans die, he ORDERED them to die.


Done in three. Thread closed.
 
2013-05-07 07:30:31 AM  
Nobody cares. Conservatives are already showing their cards by talking about impeachment. Just a bit of ginned up horseshiat for the base, maybe they'll get their show trial out of it.
 
2013-05-07 07:31:10 AM  
Someone needs to look into the resignations and retirements on the military side. Odds are some of those people have some good info.
 
2013-05-07 07:37:52 AM  
This thread:

1.bp.blogspot.com
"Benghazi! Scandal!!!!!!"

blog.talkingphilosophy.com
"Uh huh..."

policyonpoint.touchfresh.com
"Obamaaaaaaaa!"

images.wikia.com
"OK, what new evidence do you have that this is a scandal of some sort?"

1.bp.blogspot.com
"Benghazi! Scandal!!!!!!"

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
"Dumbasses."
 
2013-05-07 07:53:19 AM  

keylock71: This thread:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x450]
"Benghazi! Scandal!!!!!!"

[blog.talkingphilosophy.com image 300x240]
"Uh huh..."

[policyonpoint.touchfresh.com image 572x382]
"Obamaaaaaaaa!"

[images.wikia.com image 258x320]
"OK, what new evidence do you have that this is a scandal of some sort?"

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x450]
"Benghazi! Scandal!!!!!!"

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 307x400]
"Dumbasses."


It's the lack of outrage that makes the outraged even more outraged.
 
2013-05-07 07:55:26 AM  

21-7-b: Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: This is how it works waldo


Your subjective "feeling" needs objective support. Your subjective opinion, whoever you are and whatever your opinion is, ought to be founded upon objective facts and you ought to be able to convey those facts to others, just as they can convey the facts that inform their opinions to you. This is how discussion and negotiation works. It's not rocket science. Just stating "it's my opinion" over and over whilst avoiding drawing on objective reality in favor of "feeling" isn't good enough

some excellent points but have you never had one of those "man I got a bad feeling about this and I just can't put my finger on why" and you were 100% correct moments?

my son's freshman year in college I was lucky enough to win a trip to a major event with work and he came with me. at one of the company functions I introduced him to our director of advertising (my son was majoring in mass communication at the time) and they talked a few minutes about courses and advertising. this guy gave some good advise and we walked away my son goes "that guys a jerk" I asked why and couldn't put his finger on why and nothing the guy said was the reason. that guy is one of the biggest douches in the company. gut feeling without objective support.

So, assuming your tale is true for the sake of argument, your son decided someone was a jerk based on a conversation he had with him. So what?


assuming my tale is true?  I must be very naive, I would never assume that any farker would lie about their kid.
 
2013-05-07 07:57:48 AM  
hti.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 07:58:59 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 07:59:03 AM  

CarnySaur: It's the lack of outrage that makes the outraged even more outraged.


It's a vicious cycle... : )
 
2013-05-07 07:59:52 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 08:00:41 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 08:01:36 AM  
i.qkme.me

//admittedly a little dated now
 
2013-05-07 08:02:33 AM  
ji.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 08:03:34 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-07 08:10:51 AM  
Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?
 
2013-05-07 08:13:02 AM  

praymantis: quatchi: So... 8 months later, a youtube video whips Fark trolls up into a fine froth and out they all come to assail and try to conquer Mount Molehill one last time only to all come tumbling down on their asses as usual by failing to make any kind of cogent argument as to what the scandal is here and how things coulda woulda shoulda been done differently.

A'ight, since we're doing this... for the umpteenth time.

The only real scandal over Benghazi is how the GOP have tried politicize the deaths of 4 Americans for purely partisan purposes.

It's not their first manufactured outrage by far but it is the biggest and the most egregious to date.

LOL really the GOP is the only party that politicizes tragedy? Doesn't the Democratic party have to wheel out the Newton, CT parents and Gabby Gifford for a press conference on banning guns from law abiding citizens?



DAMN those Democrats for reflecting the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Americans!

/Your gun should be taken, though. Because the mentally ill shouldn't own firearms.
 
2013-05-07 08:15:20 AM  

CarnySaur: It's the lack of outrage that makes the outraged even more outraged.


What's that sound?
 
2013-05-07 08:15:27 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?


Why are you talkin' about old shiat?

Seriously guys, make with some real accusations or STFU. This desperation to pin a scandal on Obama is getting sad.
 
2013-05-07 08:15:48 AM  
jesus this shiat is getting disgusting
 
2013-05-07 08:16:44 AM  
I mean you people are literally ignoring objective observable reality and the linear flow of time in order to screech OMABA BAD at the top of your little lungs
 
2013-05-07 08:17:43 AM  
When I was a kid I had this helium balloon I'd gotten somewhere. Supermarket? Don't know, I was too young to remember that detail.

I was outside playing with the balloon, letting it go and then jumping up and grabbing it at the last second.

Now, if I wasn't a child I'd probably would have anticipated the inevitable...

The balloon floated out of grasp!

I ran inside where my father was watching baseball on tv. I begged him to get his ladder, call the fire dept... anything. He said he was sorry but that it was long past the point of no return, there was nothing I could do, the damage was done and there was nothing anyone could do about it.

Benghazi was our balloon. This shiat is to be expected when you're playing a game of this nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions

Click there and scroll down to everything after the year 2000 to see all the other balloons that have gotten away from us.
 
MFK
2013-05-07 08:20:27 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?


My gut tells me that the GOP would never cut funding for embassy security and then make a months long scandal out of a situation with inadequate security.
 
2013-05-07 08:21:17 AM  

Jackson Herring: I mean you people are literally ignoring objective observable reality and the linear flow of time in order to screech OMABA BAD at the top of your little lungs


nah they're not concerned with Obama. This is all about smearing Hillary.
 
2013-05-07 08:25:26 AM  

OgreMagi: NewportBarGuy: Tatsuma: NewportBarGuy: It was over before they could even write the OPORD.

... the attack lasted for hours.

Right, and people with active knowledge of how a Team deploys says they could not have been their in time. Don't you think the President asked SecDef that question FIRST? I do.

The agency that actually knows this type of shiat was not consulted.  So the people who ordered a stand-down didn't know.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force- no t-convened-during-benghazi-consulate-attack/


From your very article. ""From the moment the President was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses." "

It sound more like some specific individuals within the CSG weren't personally consulted and they are butthurt about it.
 
2013-05-07 08:26:54 AM  
sorry when I said people I actually meant "people"
 
2013-05-07 08:28:37 AM  

MFK: NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?

My gut tells me that the GOP would never cut funding for embassy security and then make a months long scandal out of a situation with inadequate security.


Heh, well your gut would be wrong.
 
2013-05-07 08:28:38 AM  

ghare: praymantis: quatchi: So... 8 months later, a youtube video whips Fark trolls up into a fine froth and out they all come to assail and try to conquer Mount Molehill one last time only to all come tumbling down on their asses as usual by failing to make any kind of cogent argument as to what the scandal is here and how things coulda woulda shoulda been done differently.

A'ight, since we're doing this... for the umpteenth time.

The only real scandal over Benghazi is how the GOP have tried politicize the deaths of 4 Americans for purely partisan purposes.

It's not their first manufactured outrage by far but it is the biggest and the most egregious to date.

LOL really the GOP is the only party that politicizes tragedy? Doesn't the Democratic party have to wheel out the Newton, CT parents and Gabby Gifford for a press conference on banning guns from law abiding citizens?


DAMN those Democrats for reflecting the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Americans!

/Your gun should be taken, though. Because the mentally ill shouldn't own firearms.


I was simply pointing out that both sides of the aisle take tragedies and politicize them. You must be one of those tough internet guys who call people names and hide behind their computer.
 
2013-05-07 08:29:52 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: quatchi:

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.

Blah, blah, blah.
We get it he's Mormon.
Insert some magic underwear joke here.
Blah, blah, blah.

Stop the hate and religious prejudice.

/what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?  Doesn't that mean that you can see through the joy?  that means you can't actually see any joy since it is transparent.

He smirked after making a speech saying that Obama did not say "terrorist" fast enough, even though he said "terrorist" the day after. It is almost like he was happy that people died and he thought he nailed the speech.


I might have missed it but I sure didn't hear the word "terrorist" at any time in that speech.  Was there another news conference that day?

Obama does use the term "acts of terror" but not specifically to describe the attack on the embassy.  If you watched this at the time in the context with the lead in from most of the news organizations talking about the "video" you would not come away with this being a terrorist attack.
 
2013-05-07 08:31:56 AM  

Mugato: MFK: NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?

My gut tells me that the GOP would never cut funding for embassy security and then make a months long scandal out of a situation with inadequate security.

Heh, well your gut would be wrong.


How can that be? I've been assured in this very thread that gut feelings are never wrong. The assertion was even accompanied by a link and an anecdote!
 
2013-05-07 08:33:17 AM  
 
2013-05-07 08:34:23 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: quatchi:

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.

Blah, blah, blah.
We get it he's Mormon.
Insert some magic underwear joke here.
Blah, blah, blah.

Stop the hate and religious prejudice.

/what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?  Doesn't that mean that you can see through the joy?  that means you can't actually see any joy since it is transparent.

He smirked after making a speech saying that Obama did not say "terrorist" fast enough, even though he said "terrorist" the day after. It is almost like he was happy that people died and he thought he nailed the speech.

I might have missed it but I sure didn't hear the word "terrorist" at any time in that speech.  Was there another news conference that day?

Obama does use the term "acts of terror" but not specifically to describe the attack on the embassy.  If you watched this at the time in the context with the lead in from most of the news organizations talking about the "video" you would not come away with this being a terrorist attack.


He could not use the word terror at that time because it went against the narrative of two weeks prior to that when he was telling everyone at the Democratic Convention that he kill OBL and Al Qaeda is decimated.

I do not believe it is irrational to investigate what happened and find out why there was a lack of security for a US Ambassador. This is only a scandal because the State Department has not been forthcoming for the last 8 months.
 
2013-05-07 08:35:16 AM  

qorkfiend: Mugato: MFK: NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?

My gut tells me that the GOP would never cut funding for embassy security and then make a months long scandal out of a situation with inadequate security.

Heh, well your gut would be wrong.

How can that be? I've been assured in this very thread that gut feelings are never wrong. The assertion was even accompanied by a link and an anecdote!


please show where in this treat where you were assured that gut feelings are never wrong.
 
2013-05-07 08:37:09 AM  

Waldo Pepper: qorkfiend: Mugato: MFK: NeverDrunk23: Didn't the GOP vote for decreasing funding for security before this event?

My gut tells me that the GOP would never cut funding for embassy security and then make a months long scandal out of a situation with inadequate security.

Heh, well your gut would be wrong.

How can that be? I've been assured in this very thread that gut feelings are never wrong. The assertion was even accompanied by a link and an anecdote!

please show where in this treat where you were assured that gut feelings are never wrong.


The jimmies, they're a-rustled!
 
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