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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 729
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2013-05-07 01:55:30 AM

OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.


Making up a bullshiat story that leads to Congress voting to go to an unnecessary war, resulting in the deaths of thousands of American men and women is scandalous.

What's the scandal with Benghazi? Not sending in the SEALs hours after everyone at the Benghazi consulate was dead? The State Department giving too much creedence that it may have been a protest over an anti-muslim video on a day when the Middle East saw several protests over an anti-muslim video? Not yelling "ZUURMIGERDDD TERRRRRURR!!!!!!" like Chicken Little within 5 minutes of hearing of the attack? Having one of his liberal plants leave the cameras rolling as Little Lord Mittleroy struggled to contain his glee over dead Americans?

Please point out the specific scandal.
 
2013-05-07 01:55:59 AM

OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.


Let's see, Bush started a war because of some lies about WMD, Bush tanked the economy, Bush ignored memos that had told him that terrorists wanted to attack the US Bush captured and tortured people and put them in legal limbo by calling them "enemy combatants".

Obama did what, exactly?
 
2013-05-07 01:56:37 AM

OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.


i.imgur.com

Not really. Its just that starting a major war under Doug Feith's false pretences that led to the simultaneous death of tens of thousands of American soliders, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civlians and then mocking the very stated reason for going to war in the first place was pretty much enough to overshadow everything else that happened, not to mention the war profiteering that led to the personal enrichment of the Vice President's former corporate friends and the deliberate sabotage of CIA covert operations in order to humiliate those who challenged the official narrative and the confirmed loss of over $9 Billion dollars in mismanaged funds in Iraq....that was a serious lot of entangled nasty shiat, you'd have to admit.
 
2013-05-07 01:57:48 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Bigdogdaddy: Reminds me of a dad of a friend I went to school with. He'd say, "There's never been a democrat in office who hasn't gotten us into war." My how times change.

Johnson was the worst...  At least Kennedy intended to get us out of Vietnam.  Johnson just went full retard on it.


I totally agree, I just forgot to pust his picture, until I was done, then my point was made.
 
2013-05-07 02:00:09 AM

stoli n coke: What's the scandal with Benghazi? Not sending in the SEALs hours after everyone at the Benghazi consulate was dead? The State Department giving too much creedence that it may have been a protest over an anti-muslim video on a day when the Middle East saw several protests over an anti-muslim video?


content9.flixster.com
"Good news, sir!"
 
2013-05-07 02:01:03 AM

Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.


So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.
 
2013-05-07 02:01:18 AM

balloot: I, for one, LOVE Benghazi.  It is the greatest... It gives Fox News and talk radio something to circle jerk about all day without them causing any real damage.  As a Democrat, you couldn't craft a better diversion if you tried.


jinkchak.files.wordpress.com

That's what bothers me. The signal to noise ratio is so bad that legitimate criticism of the Administration over real issues that really matter is drowned out with sheer stupidity. When you're pissed off about mustard, arugula and birth certificates, that sucks all the energy out of the room.
 
2013-05-07 02:01:30 AM
Benghazi: Not even once.
 
2013-05-07 02:01:36 AM
400+ posts.  Surely with a response like this we won't see more Benghazi threads for months to come.

Mods, can I request the next one be a link to Sarah Palin talking about how if she were the VP her and McCain would have come through for the troops?

/smells a greenlight!
 
2013-05-07 02:02:39 AM

Somacandra: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.

[i.imgur.com image 203x152]

Not really. Its just that starting a major war under Doug Feith's false pretences that led to the simultaneous death of tens of thousands of American soliders, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civlians and then mocking the very stated reason for going to war in the first place was pretty much enough to overshadow everything else that happened, not to mention the war profiteering that led to the personal enrichment of the Vice President's former corporate friends and the deliberate sabotage of CIA covert operations in order to humiliate those who challenged the official narrative and the confirmed loss of over $9 Billion dollars in mismanaged funds in Iraq....that was a serious lot of entangled nasty shiat, you'd have to admit.


Yes.  I get it.  "But Bush!"
 
2013-05-07 02:04:02 AM

OgreMagi: But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.


If you can calmly and systematically lay out why and how this is a "scandal," I'd be interested in hearing it. Please proceed. And I mean that in the best way.
 
2013-05-07 02:04:38 AM

OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.


Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"
 
2013-05-07 02:06:39 AM

OgreMagi: Somacandra: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.

[i.imgur.com image 203x152]

Not really. Its just that starting a major war under Doug Feith's false pretences that led to the simultaneous death of tens of thousands of American soliders, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civlians and then mocking the very stated reason for going to war in the first place was pretty much enough to overshadow everything else that happened, not to mention the war profiteering that led to the personal enrichment of the Vice President's former corporate friends and the deliberate sabotage of CIA covert operations in order to humiliate those who challenged the official narrative and the confirmed loss of over $9 Billion dollars in mismanaged funds in Iraq....that was a serious lot of entangled nasty shiat, you'd have to admit.

Yes.  I get it.  "But Bush!"


So, it is a scandal because everyone blames Bush?

They blame him for actual scandals and not made up bullshiat like Benghazi.
 
2013-05-07 02:07:09 AM

Somacandra: balloot: I, for one, LOVE Benghazi.  It is the greatest... It gives Fox News and talk radio something to circle jerk about all day without them causing any real damage.  As a Democrat, you couldn't craft a better diversion if you tried.

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That's what bothers me. The signal to noise ratio is so bad that legitimate criticism of the Administration over real issues that really matter is drowned out with sheer stupidity. When you're pissed off about mustard, arugula and birth certificates, that sucks all the energy out of the room.


That's probably because the things that really deserve criticism (drone strikes, the TSA, the treatment of Bradley Manning, etc...) are generally areas in which both of the major parties are in agreement.
 
2013-05-07 02:07:51 AM

log_jammin: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

clearly both sides are bad


If you think about it, it's really Obama's fault for acting in such a way that there's no legitimate "scandal" argument to be made. If only he'd bungled things to the point where he was actually as bad as Bush - then people could go around smugly hating both sides (or claiming to, anyway) without looking like idiots. But no... he insists on being a clearly superior President, thus bitterly dividing the nation.
 
2013-05-07 02:08:33 AM

Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"


He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.
 
2013-05-07 02:09:22 AM

Biological Ali: log_jammin: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

clearly both sides are bad

If you think about it, it's really Obama's fault for acting in such a way that there's no legitimate "scandal" argument to be made. If only he'd bungled things to the point where he was actually as bad as Bush - then people could go around smugly hating both sides (or claiming to, anyway) without looking like idiots. But no... he insists on being a clearly superior President, thus bitterly dividing the nation.


Damn uppity President!!
 
2013-05-07 02:09:26 AM
Glad I slowed down commenting on Fark threads - there's a buttload of stupid going on here.
 
2013-05-07 02:10:59 AM

OgreMagi: Yes.  I get it.  "But Bush!"


Is there a good reason why, given the absolutely fallible nature of government, we should look at each failing in a vacuum and not in the context of what other things the government has failed at?

Is there a reason why, when looking at said context, we should also be unable to point out the extreme biases of others and subsequently question their devotion to one issue vs. another?

Anyone who gives a fark about the 4 people killed in Benghazi should give thousands more farks about Iraq and Afghanistan and be devoting the majority of their effort to revealing what failures led us into them and how we can prevent them in the future.  They should NOT be spending a year talking about Benghazi.


But of course, I also think we should worry more about the fertilizer factories and the million other ways mass deaths occur than still listening to crap about tsarnaev, and I seem to be in a minority on that one too.


I don't think there is anything partisan, in and of itself, about saying X is bad but Y is much worse, and why don't we distribute our outrage accordingly.
 
2013-05-07 02:11:43 AM

Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"



SOSHULIZMS! Is it Soshulizms? I guessed Soshulizms.
 
2013-05-07 02:12:36 AM

OgreMagi: I get it. "But Bush!"


You suggested that people blamed the previous President too much. I suggested that it wasn't the volume, but rather the serious magnitude of actual, documented problems with the Iraq War that overshadowed a lot of the otherwise productive work.....say in African health policy (PEPFAR) and political resolution (Sudan). Or the establishment of the largest national monument in American history preserving untold wealth in marine biological culture and diversity. I don't mind giving credit where its due, but the Iraq War pretty much overshadows all of that, as his own Presidential Library even makes clear.
 
2013-05-07 02:12:48 AM

Biological Ali: If you think about it, it's really Obama's fault for acting in such a way that there's no legitimate "scandal" argument to be made. If only he'd bungled things to the point where he was actually as bad as Bush - then people could go around smugly hating both sides (or claiming to, anyway) without looking like idiots. But no... he insists on being a clearly superior President, thus bitterly dividing the nation.


he's a devious man
 
2013-05-07 02:12:53 AM

stoli n coke: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"


SOSHULIZMS! Is it Soshulizms? I guessed Soshulizms.


Freedoms! Gun Grabbing!!  ACORN! I guess ACORN.
 
2013-05-07 02:12:59 AM

Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"


He also thinks that Fast and Furious is a huge scandal, and essentially told me to "study it out" yesterday.

But of course, he just  "likes arguing the unpopular view" to shake things up since we are all such libby libs around here.  He's really doing god's work, you know.
 
2013-05-07 02:14:10 AM

OgreMagi: Yes. I get it. "But Bush!"


You do realize that you're the one who brought Bush up in the first place, right?
 
2013-05-07 02:14:30 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"

He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.


That's all this is.  More than 500 fkn posts and not one Real American can just  complete this sentence: "The scandal is __________"  Add those to the eleventy billion other threads in which they dodged the simple question.

In the time they take to tell everyone how gullible we are, or we don't dare criticize our Obamessiah, not one of these farkers has taken a few minutes to write a sentence or two plainly telling us that "the scandal is ________."

Truly fkn pathetic.
 
2013-05-07 02:16:47 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: BSABSVR: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ineptitude seems to be a common thread. Let's go with that. More is coming.

How is this "ineptitude" ? Lay it all out for me. Right here. That's an invitation.

Be patient.

"I'm not smart enough to really understand, so once I'm out of talking points, I'll just get mysterious.  Youtube. Act of terror.  Susan Rice. It's not the crime it's the cover-up".

After seeing some of you winners in this thread i was surprised that this wasn't main paged.

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Whispering in that guy's ear: "Y'all be sure and find them weapons of mass destruction, boy. I decided to go after Saddam for what he was gonna do to my daddy. I just got Rummy and Cheyney to come up with some reasons. But it's up to you boys to find that evidence."
 
2013-05-07 02:18:30 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh look! Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is _THAT HE COLLECTS CONAN COMICS AND RIDES A BIKE WITH MOM JEANS ON_________"


4.bp.blogspot.com

FTFY.
 
2013-05-07 02:19:07 AM

Somacandra: Lionel Mandrake: Oh look! Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is _THAT HE COLLECTS CONAN COMICS AND RIDES A BIKE WITH MOM JEANS ON_________"

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 533x385]

FTFY.


Impeach!!
 
2013-05-07 02:21:28 AM

Smackledorfer: He also thinks that Fast and Furious is a huge scandal, and essentially told me to "study it out" yesterday.


To be fair, from a taste perspective the movie franchise is more or less the nadir of Western Civilization. Its more or less just one step away from "The Human Centipede."
 
2013-05-07 02:22:11 AM
OgreMagi:

It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal. But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what. It's always black or white.

Great googly moogly... How butthurt does one have to be?

So do tell, Mr. Wolfowitz... Should we have bombed them on day one?
/ starting to lose track of what is important to US interests and what is horrible terroristic stuff.
 
2013-05-07 02:30:40 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Zeppelininthesky: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"

He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.

That's all this is.  More than 500 fkn posts and not one Real American can just  complete this sentence: "The scandal is __________"  Add those to the eleventy billion other threads in which they dodged the simple question.

In the time they take to tell everyone how gullible we are, or we don't dare criticize our Obamessiah, not one of these farkers has taken a few minutes to write a sentence or two plainly telling us that "the scandal is ________."

Truly fkn pathetic.


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The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.
 
2013-05-07 02:34:34 AM

balloot: Lionel Mandrake: Zeppelininthesky: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"

He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.

That's all this is.  More than 500 fkn posts and not one Real American can just  complete this sentence: "The scandal is __________"  Add those to the eleventy billion other threads in which they dodged the simple question.

In the time they take to tell everyone how gullible we are, or we don't dare criticize our Obamessiah, not one of these farkers has taken a few minutes to write a sentence or two plainly telling us that "the scandal is ________."

Truly fkn pathetic.

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The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.


And they're upset that a black Democrat had the GALL to beat a white Republican not once, but TWICE.
 
2013-05-07 02:39:20 AM

balloot: Lionel Mandrake: Zeppelininthesky: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"

He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.

That's all this is.  More than 500 fkn posts and not one Real American can just  complete this sentence: "The scandal is __________"  Add those to the eleventy billion other threads in which they dodged the simple question.

In the time they take to tell everyone how gullible we are, or we don't dare criticize our Obamessiah, not one of these farkers has taken a few minutes to write a sentence or two plainly telling us that "the scandal is ________."

Truly fkn pathetic.

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The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.


The timing isn't going to work out for the Republicans. They can spend the next few years beating this dead horse, and by 2016 they'll just look foolish and nobody but the True Believers will care. Or they can wait until 2016 and use it for an October surprise, when they'll just look foolish and nobody but the True Believers will care. Or, you know, they could do both.
 
2013-05-07 02:51:22 AM

Notabunny: balloot: Lionel Mandrake: Zeppelininthesky: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: Lionel Mandrake: OgreMagi: It seems everything that Bush did was a scandal.  But there's a large fark faction that will defend Obama to the death, not matter what.  It's always black or white.

Defend him against what?  I still don't know what the scandal is.

So you wish to claim abject stupidity, instead?  Got it.

Oh look!  Another outraged FARKer who won't just come right out and say "The scandal is __________"

He does not know. Every time you ask, they come up with some excuse or just hate on Obama.

That's all this is.  More than 500 fkn posts and not one Real American can just  complete this sentence: "The scandal is __________"  Add those to the eleventy billion other threads in which they dodged the simple question.

In the time they take to tell everyone how gullible we are, or we don't dare criticize our Obamessiah, not one of these farkers has taken a few minutes to write a sentence or two plainly telling us that "the scandal is ________."

Truly fkn pathetic.

------------------------

The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.

The timing isn't going to work out for the Republicans. They can spend the next few years beating this dead horse, and by 2016 they'll just look foolish and nobody but the True Believers will care. Or they can wait until 2016 and use it for an October surprise, when they'll just look foolish and nobody but the True Believers will care. Or, you know, they could do both.


I think they are at that point. The True Believers are honestly the only ones who care, and everyone else are just pointing and laughing.
 
2013-05-07 02:52:06 AM
Am I bad for thinking "Good maybe they won't run Hillary now?"

Should I feel bad?

/bad
 
2013-05-07 02:53:10 AM
Hmmm... Read TFA, didn't read the thread.

It's been 8 months since the attack on the consulate in Benghazi. During that time, I've seen much rending of garments, gnashing of teeth and foaming at the mouth over the "Benghazi Scandal." Yet I still don't know what the supposed scandal is.

If it's the fact that 4 Americans died on President Obama's watch, including the Ambassador to Libya - That's not a scandal.

Serving as a diplomat or as part of the staff of an embassy or consulate in another country is a dangerous job. People die in the performance of those jobs from time to time. It's been true throughout the history of just about every country that's ever existed, and is particularly true of the USA because there are many people around the world who HATE the United States. It's sad that our diplomats and their staffs are in harm's way, but that's the world we live in. That, however, does not make what happened in Benghazi a scandal.

Can someone, anyone, who claims that something regarding the attack on the consulate in Benghazi is worthy of the title "scandal" please explain what the scandal is? What about the attack in Benghazi and/or the Obama administration's response thereto and thereafter is the scandalous action(s)?

If, however, no one who claims there is a scandal can explain it in simple "here's what happened, here's why it's a scandal" terms, then I'm at a loss to understand your position. If that is the case, then I will continue to believe this is a political game being played with the bodies of dead Americans as props to advance an agenda. Just the possibility that this is the case sickens me. Craven partisanship while using the graves of dead Americans as a dance floor is about as low as anyone can get, even when the dancer is a politician.

So, I reiterate: Can someone, anyone, who claims that something regarding the attack on the consulate in Benghazi is worthy of the title "scandal" please explain what the scandal is? What about the attack in Benghazi and/or the Obama administration's response thereto and thereafter is the scandalous action(s)? I'd like to know. Thanks.
 
2013-05-07 02:56:02 AM
GOP: BENGHAZI SCANDAL LIES!
Regular people: Why is this a scandal?
GOP: YOU WORSHIP THE 0BAMESSIAH! HE LIED AND PEOPLE DIED!
Regular People: Where were the lies?
GOP: OBAMA IS EVIL AND HE LIES!! WARGGABBBLE
 
2013-05-07 03:01:19 AM

whidbey: Am I bad for thinking "Good maybe they won't run Hillary now?"

Should I feel bad?

/bad


it depends on who else is running.
 
2013-05-07 03:02:45 AM

log_jammin: whidbey: Am I bad for thinking "Good maybe they won't run Hillary now?"

Should I feel bad?

/bad

it depends on who else is running.


Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.
 
2013-05-07 03:11:27 AM

whidbey: Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.


If she runs I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

actually I'll probably vote for whoever ends up being the D ticket. i don't see myself voting third part anytime soon.
 
2013-05-07 03:13:27 AM

Somacandra: Gyrfalcon: log_jammin: there's so much derp in this thread that I don't know where to start.

Begin at the beginning, and go on until you get to the end. Then stop.

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Go that way...real fast. If something gets in your way, turn.


affordablehousinginstitute.org

Trolls... very derpy. You go first.
 
2013-05-07 03:14:29 AM

log_jammin: whidbey: Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.

If she runs I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

actually I'll probably vote for whoever ends up being the D ticket. i don't see myself voting third part anytime soon.


I'd sure hate to have to vote for Hillary. Elizabeth Warren would be a much smarter choice. Of course, I didn't think Obama was going to run, either.
 
2013-05-07 03:15:58 AM

whidbey: Elizabeth Warren would be a much smarter choice.


agree 100%.
 
2013-05-07 03:16:28 AM

log_jammin: whidbey: Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.

If she runs I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

actually I'll probably vote for whoever ends up being the D ticket. i don't see myself voting third part anytime soon.


Same here. Not that I'm particularly devoted to Democrats, but no third party has a strong enough base to win a national campaign. So I'll keep voting D at the national level, and whatever left-wing third parties I can find at the local and state levels.
 
2013-05-07 03:23:45 AM

LordJiro: at the local and state levels.


Locally party means nothing to me(for the most part), but I live in a rural area where if I don't know the person, I know someone knows them, so I can usually base my vote on that. state level...barring a person who is particularly sleazy, D all the way.
 
2013-05-07 03:30:49 AM

LordJiro: log_jammin: whidbey: Yeah it usually does. But I don't want to have an Al Gore moment where I go running to Ralph Nader. Especially if he isn't there this next time around.

If she runs I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

actually I'll probably vote for whoever ends up being the D ticket. i don't see myself voting third part anytime soon.

Same here. Not that I'm particularly devoted to Democrats, but no third party has a strong enough base to win a national campaign. So I'll keep voting D at the national level, and whatever left-wing third parties I can find at the local and state levels.


That's probably the case for most people with progressive leanings. If it weren't for the Republican Party being so far off the deep end, I imagine more third party candidates would get votes if for nothing else than to get the Democratic Party to take progressive stances on issues more seriously.
 
2013-05-07 03:36:13 AM
balloot:
The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.

When a pretty white girl runs into the arms of a black man, you know there's something wrong. That's a dead giveaway! She's either got problems or she's homeless! You know there's something wrong! Dead giveaway!
 
2013-05-07 03:44:11 AM

Walter Paisley: If it weren't for the Republican Party being so far off the deep end, I imagine more third party candidates would get votes if for nothing else than to get the Democratic Party to take progressive stances on issues more seriously.


Here is what we have. The democratic party is comprised of liberals, moderates, and conservatives. there is a push and pull between the three as to where the party is at any given time. More progressives in the party would defiantly mean more progressive legislation. but those other two elements would still be there to some extent.

the republican party is comprised of people who will do anything they are told will help business and will be against anything they are told will hurt business. that's it.
 
2013-05-07 03:45:16 AM

Bennie Crabtree: balloot:
The scandal is Republicans reeeeeaaaaaaallly don't want Hillary to become president and need to damage her.

When a pretty white girl runs into the arms of a black man, you know there's something wrong. That's a dead giveaway! She's either got problems or she's homeless! You know there's something wrong! Dead giveaway!


I freaked out for a minute and thought I posted in the wrong thread.
 
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