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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 681
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2013-05-07 12:07:17 AM  

Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: Waldo Pepper: GTATL: Ah, it seems even the trolls have a limit. No word on what the scandal is, how shocking.

not sure if there is a scandal or not but something is fishy with the way it all was handled and being that it happened before the election. it is worth checking into either to clear up or uncover whichever is the truth.

I for one do get tired of every freaking little thing being a right or left issue instead of what is best for America. 

sure it is fine to argue, troll, discuss on fark but these idiots that we all pay are screwing with our lives and our kids future.

Oh for god's sake, shut up

No I won't shut up, I have the right to my opinion and the right to annoy everyone here with it. so deal with it.

Substantiate your opinion or shut up. That's how it works. Some people are slower than others and don't get it, but that is how it is

is that written somewhere?  I will never shut up.  I have not seen a single person here who can 100% substantiate with fact an opinion on this subject as the all the facts have yet to be presented and the truth has been screwed up by both sides. so all that is left is our opinions. 

here is what Obama said on the 12th of Sept. 
"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. "

This is a foreshadow of blaming it on the video. Do i know his motives for Hillary and Him talking about the video as much as they did, No but my gut tells me there is something fishy. And for all you science geeks on here, there appears to be research that proves "gut feelings" are often right 

http://www.livepsyche.com/blog/experts-articles/your-gut-feeling-is- al most-always-right/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/09/12/us/politics/libya-stat em ents.html?_r=2&;


Yeah, you will shut up. You're just a slow learner

You see, we've seen thousands and thousands of trolls. You're nothing special. You try to be controversial then try your little dance in the hope you won' t get pinned down - same as all the rest. It's old hat and a quick google reveals you are really shiat at it.
 
2013-05-07 12:10:07 AM  
I thought after the election this was going to be over?  You know, Romney lost, you move on to being obstructionist, hope that everyone forgets what asses you made of yourselves for 2014.

Honestly, you're not endearing yourselves to the voters.  Even if you manage to pin this on the administration no one will wake up in the morning and care.

The only thing that the public will remember is that you worked your hardest to alienate as many people that weren't upper-class white males and it cost you an election, and will continue to do so.

Lookit....I'm giving you this advice from the beating we took in 2000 and 2004.  You need to look at what you can do to get the vote for tomorrow, not for what it might have gotten you the better part of six months ago.
 
2013-05-07 12:12:32 AM  
I honestly haven't been following all the Benghazi stories/threads that closely, and I suppose you could accuse me of deflecting, but in all these hearings/reports/etc, has anyone, GOP or otherwise, actually proposed any reforms to prevent something like this from occurring again?

/when I hear things like "it's all about 4 American lives" and see nothing about fixing the problem, the sentement doesn't ring as very genuine
 
2013-05-07 12:13:24 AM  

Skarekrough: Honestly, you're not endearing yourselves to the voters. Even if you manage to pin this on the administration no one will wake up in the morning and care.


Exactly, the only ones who think this is a scandal are the people who weren't ever going to vote for them anyway. To those who support Obama this will never be anything other than a very tragic and sad incident. I can't imagine anyone believing Obama willing hung them out to dry and registering GoP over this.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:54 AM  
I'm just going to pop into this thread from time to time to see if anyone's actually managed to clarify what the scandal is.  I don't see anything...did I miss it?  I'm only scanning, but I just see the same ol' non-scandalous wharrgarbl

How can I be outraged if I don't know what to be outraged about??
 
2013-05-07 12:15:07 AM  

poot_rootbeer: jjorsett: You know how I know it's a scandal? All the left winger's voices going up four octaves and 100 dB shrieking that it isn't.

You're hearing voices?  Uh-oh.


He's right though. Don't you remember when the libs were shrieking about how the Birth Certifict wasn't a "real" scandal? Boy, wasn't there egg on their faces when Obama was found eligible and forcibly removed from the White House.
 
2013-05-07 12:16:48 AM  

Type_Hard: I honestly haven't been following all the Benghazi stories/threads that closely, and I suppose you could accuse me of deflecting, but in all these hearings/reports/etc, has anyone, GOP or otherwise, actually proposed any reforms to prevent something like this from occurring again?

/when I hear things like "it's all about 4 American lives" and see nothing about fixing the problem, the sentement doesn't ring as very genuine


I think the proposal boils down to "get the n***** out of the White House."
 
2013-05-07 12:18:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm just going to pop into this thread from time to time to see if anyone's actually managed to clarify what the scandal is.  I don't see anything...did I miss it?  I'm only scanning, but I just see the same ol' non-scandalous wharrgarbl

How can I be outraged if I don't know what to be outraged about??


I think it has something to do with the "fact" that Obama didn't send Superman at the speed if light to Benghazi to stop the violence before Americans were killed.  He would have had to send Superman, because there was no one else closer who could have gotten there from the time Obama was told about the attacks and the time our people died.  but I could be wrong.
 
2013-05-07 12:19:33 AM  

Waldo Pepper: well isn't that what fark is all about, our own personal opinions about every subject under the sun


As pointed out earlier, changing the motives of the attackers is irrelevant to the handling of the incident itself. Mere unsupported personal opinion cannot and does not constitute a scandal.
 
2013-05-07 12:20:53 AM  

jst3p: Skarekrough: Honestly, you're not endearing yourselves to the voters. Even if you manage to pin this on the administration no one will wake up in the morning and care.

Exactly, the only ones who think this is a scandal are the people who weren't ever going to vote for them anyway. To those who support Obama this will never be anything other than a very tragic and sad incident. I can't imagine anyone believing Obama willing hung them out to dry and registering GoP over this.


A large part of the problem is that they've generated so much noise to signal already that even if they manage to get something out of it, it's already too late.  The chance was lost long ago.

They could prove it and it wouldn't matter.

And that makes for a nice hobby.  I know plenty of history buffs that think of the JFK assassination in the same way folks think of baseball; it's their past time and keeps them busy.  But nothing is going to come from it no matter what the results are.

So, you either try and reason with them or poke the hell out of their cage and enjoy the show.

Come on.....this is the best free entertainment were going to get until 2016 when they bring in a new chicken!
 
2013-05-07 12:22:02 AM  

Waldo Pepper: what is Obama reason for stating
"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. " 

if he isn't going to blame this on the video later on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxjz5wEcF0

Sure you can say that this comment isn't directly linked to the attacks in libya but one can also argue the meaning of the word "is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwhf69N_SHE


Looks like I was wrong about him not saying that. My mistake.

However, digging into what is available, it looks as though that was one of the possibilities being bounced around right then. And, even though they seemed to have a suspected perpetrator, I can't seem to find a why listed.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:06 AM  

Somacandra: Waldo Pepper: well isn't that what fark is all about, our own personal opinions about every subject under the sun

As pointed out earlier, changing the motives of the attackers is irrelevant to the handling of the incident itself. Mere unsupported personal opinion cannot and does not constitute a scandal.


But it got the guy who made the video arrested!

/Never mind that he VIOLATED HIS F*CKING PAROLE!
 
2013-05-07 12:22:09 AM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


Excellent point. We should clear the decks and run with this for the mid-terms and 2016. There is no defense.
 
2013-05-07 12:22:42 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: You people are as top down authoritarian communist as a democracy could ever be.


A republic, but yes, there is merit in your general point. We both love and hate our authoritarians, but since the Great Depression and WWII we've loved them more than hated them, in general.
 
2013-05-07 12:26:57 AM  
This is how it works waldo


Your subjective "feeling" needs objective support. Your subjective opinion, whoever you are and whatever your opinion is, ought to be founded upon objective facts and you ought to be able to convey those facts to others, just as they can convey the facts that inform their opinions to you. This is how discussion and negotiation works. It's not rocket science. Just stating "it's my opinion" over and over whilst avoiding drawing on objective reality in favor of "feeling" isn't good enough
 
2013-05-07 12:27:19 AM  
So, whats going on in this threa....
 
2013-05-07 12:29:14 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I will admit there are times I like to play the devil's advocate but others like today i'm just trying to state my opinion. I will never shut up, i might go to be and leave the tread but never shut up.

I guess the advantage I have over most of you folks is that i'm not as smart or even a good debater so dancing around on fark with everyone will over time bring my game up and just make you all a little bit dumber. just like in tennis never play anyone who's game is beneath your own.


Perhaps you should expend you efforts on something more pertinent, like whether Santa exists or not.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:42 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Satanic_Hamster: Waldo Pepper: Well to be fair, it isn't like Obama had to start the search for Bin laden from square one. If he had it is quite possible that he wouldn't have found bin laden either in 8 year

Actually, it is.  Bush dismantled the Bin Laden task force and didn't consider him a priority.  They weren't even sure if he was alive.

if this is the case then I stand corrected, thank you


If square one is the capture and questioning of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed resulting in the name of Bin Laden's most trusted courier.
 
2013-05-07 12:29:48 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I will admit there are times I like to play the devil's advocate but others like today i'm just trying to state my opinion. I will never shut up, i might go to be and leave the tread but never shut up.


You hang in there, brother.  Keep speaking truth to power!

Don't let these anonymous people from far far away intimidate you!!

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-07 12:30:04 AM  
Waldo Pepper: i'm not as smart or even a good debater

Czech! Duly noted.
 
2013-05-07 12:34:05 AM  
Late to the thread, so pardon my ignorance but...

"Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks" at the point in the timeline where "Someone's house burned down last night, Firefighters can stand down as far as going out there this morning"

Hrmm..


Debate what you will about what happened last night, but complaining that someone didn't send in Seal Team 6 the next morning seems sorta silly.
 
2013-05-07 12:37:32 AM  
Could someone much more informed (and more OCD) than I draw out a timeline? Because this seems to be important to the argument. Who knew / did what then. My scandaliferous-meter is all over the place.
 
2013-05-07 12:42:45 AM  

Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: This is how it works waldo


Your subjective "feeling" needs objective support. Your subjective opinion, whoever you are and whatever your opinion is, ought to be founded upon objective facts and you ought to be able to convey those facts to others, just as they can convey the facts that inform their opinions to you. This is how discussion and negotiation works. It's not rocket science. Just stating "it's my opinion" over and over whilst avoiding drawing on objective reality in favor of "feeling" isn't good enough

some excellent points but have you never had one of those "man I got a bad feeling about this and I just can't put my finger on why" and you were 100% correct moments?

my son's freshman year in college I was lucky enough to win a trip to a major event with work and he came with me. at one of the company functions I introduced him to our director of advertising (my son was majoring in mass communication at the time) and they talked a few minutes about courses and advertising. this guy gave some good advise and we walked away my son goes "that guys a jerk" I asked why and couldn't put his finger on why and nothing the guy said was the reason. that guy is one of the biggest douches in the company. gut feeling without objective support.


One word.

"Plastics."
 
2013-05-07 12:45:30 AM  

Biological Ali: Whodat: Apparently I am a complete loser with no life and I will be moving along.

Ah, I see what's happening - you and Waldo Pepper are having a contest to see who can come across as more pathetic.

/not sure what the winner gets, though


The winnar gets a nice slice of caek.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-07 12:49:49 AM  

maxheck: Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: This is how it works waldo


Your subjective "feeling" needs objective support. Your subjective opinion, whoever you are and whatever your opinion is, ought to be founded upon objective facts and you ought to be able to convey those facts to others, just as they can convey the facts that inform their opinions to you. This is how discussion and negotiation works. It's not rocket science. Just stating "it's my opinion" over and over whilst avoiding drawing on objective reality in favor of "feeling" isn't good enough

some excellent points but have you never had one of those "man I got a bad feeling about this and I just can't put my finger on why" and you were 100% correct moments?

my son's freshman year in college I was lucky enough to win a trip to a major event with work and he came with me. at one of the company functions I introduced him to our director of advertising (my son was majoring in mass communication at the time) and they talked a few minutes about courses and advertising. this guy gave some good advise and we walked away my son goes "that guys a jerk" I asked why and couldn't put his finger on why and nothing the guy said was the reason. that guy is one of the biggest douches in the company. gut feeling without objective support.

One word.

"Plastics."


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Plastics?
 
2013-05-07 12:50:14 AM  
So... 8 months later, a youtube video whips Fark trolls up into a fine froth and out they all come to assail and try to conquer Mount Molehill one last time only to all come tumbling down on their asses as usual by failing to make any kind of cogent argument as to what the scandal is here and how things coulda woulda shoulda been done differently.

A'ight, since we're doing this... for the umpteenth time.

The only real scandal over Benghazi is how the GOP have tried politicize the deaths of 4 Americans for purely partisan purposes.

It's not their first manufactured outrage by far but it is the biggest and the most egregious to date.

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.

And now the GOP seem to think that this fauxage is a stick they can use to beat Obama until he's out of office and that will then keep Hillary from winning if she runs.

Morons.
 
2013-05-07 12:51:06 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Kittypie070: Biological Ali: Whodat: Apparently I am a complete loser with no life and I will be moving along.

Ah, I see what's happening - you and Waldo Pepper are having a contest to see who can come across as more pathetic.

/not sure what the winner gets, though

The winnar gets a nice slice of caek.

[i.imgur.com image 500x373]

with ice cream?


No.  You get ice craem

It's made with malk
 
2013-05-07 12:53:23 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm just going to pop into this thread from time to time to see if anyone's actually managed to clarify what the scandal is.  I don't see anything...did I miss it?


Yes.  Try reading the comments instead of just scanning.
That is, if you want to learn.
If you just want to continue derping, then scan away.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:12 AM  
quatchi:

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.


Blah, blah, blah.
We get it he's Mormon.
Insert some magic underwear joke here.
Blah, blah, blah.

Stop the hate and religious prejudice.

/what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?  Doesn't that mean that you can see through the joy?  that means you can't actually see any joy since it is transparent.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:51 AM  
Remember:  Obama micromanages every military operation and diplomatic mission world wide so Benghazi is all his fault.

But he didn't even KNOW about the raid to kill Bin Laden until they told him about it after the fact.
 
2013-05-07 12:57:59 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: I'm just going to pop into this thread from time to time to see if anyone's actually managed to clarify what the scandal is.  I don't see anything...did I miss it?

Yes.  Try reading the comments instead of just scanning.
That is, if you want to learn.
If you just want to continue derping, then scan away.


I've been here the whole time.  I've read the entire thread.

Still not scandal.

But I can help but notice that once again, a big herp-derper* avoided giving a direct answer to the question.

*I mean you
 
2013-05-07 12:59:17 AM  

Waldo Pepper: 21-7-b: This is how it works waldo


Your subjective "feeling" needs objective support. Your subjective opinion, whoever you are and whatever your opinion is, ought to be founded upon objective facts and you ought to be able to convey those facts to others, just as they can convey the facts that inform their opinions to you. This is how discussion and negotiation works. It's not rocket science. Just stating "it's my opinion" over and over whilst avoiding drawing on objective reality in favor of "feeling" isn't good enough

some excellent points but have you never had one of those "man I got a bad feeling about this and I just can't put my finger on why" and you were 100% correct moments?

my son's freshman year in college I was lucky enough to win a trip to a major event with work and he came with me. at one of the company functions I introduced him to our director of advertising (my son was majoring in mass communication at the time) and they talked a few minutes about courses and advertising. this guy gave some good advise and we walked away my son goes "that guys a jerk" I asked why and couldn't put his finger on why and nothing the guy said was the reason. that guy is one of the biggest douches in the company. gut feeling without objective support.


So, assuming your tale is true for the sake of argument, your son decided someone was a jerk based on a conversation he had with him. So what?
 
2013-05-07 12:59:46 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: quatchi:

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.

Blah, blah, blah.
We get it he's Mormon.
Insert some magic underwear joke here.
Blah, blah, blah.

Stop the hate and religious prejudice.

/what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?  Doesn't that mean that you can see through the joy?  that means you can't actually see any joy since it is transparent.


Interestingly, the post you quoted and got so offended by didn't mention his religion at all. It's appropriate to this thread, seeing you blatantly manufacture outrage.
 
2013-05-07 01:01:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: /what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?


I thought that would have been *ahem* obvious.

/U english gud!
 
2013-05-07 01:03:21 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: But I can help but notice that once again, a big herp-derper* avoided giving a direct answer to the question.


Eh.  Other people are herp-a-derpers.  Cheese is just a blatant troll account, I doubt he believes either way.
 
2013-05-07 01:04:41 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: I'm just going to pop into this thread from time to time to see if anyone's actually managed to clarify what the scandal is.  I don't see anything...did I miss it?

Yes.  Try reading the comments instead of just scanning.
That is, if you want to learn.
If you just want to continue derping, then scan away.


All I see is a bunch of lies, misconceptions, and hatred of Obama. Not one of the comments tells us the scandal.
 
2013-05-07 01:05:55 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: /what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?


It means it was easy to see through his faux outrage
 
2013-05-07 01:06:38 AM  

dr_blasto: What was covered up? How do you have a cover up if there's nothing to cover?

Was there initial confusion? Sure.
Did Rice speak with bad information? Yep.
Did Obama say anything untrue? Nope.
With 20/20 hindsight, could this have been prevented? Definitely.

WTF is the cover up? Are the Republicans covering up for their refusal to fund security for the State Dept?


The definitive questions. I still haven't heard any definitive answers to them.
 
2013-05-07 01:06:42 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: quatchi:

I will never forget the look of transparent joy on the face of Mitt "Nailed It" Romney at that press conference.

It looked like he was enjoying those deaths more than Al Qaeda.

Blah, blah, blah.
We get it he's Mormon.
Insert some magic underwear joke here.
Blah, blah, blah.

Stop the hate and religious prejudice.

/what is "transparent joy" mean anyway?  Doesn't that mean that you can see through the joy?  that means you can't actually see any joy since it is transparent.


He smirked after making a speech saying that Obama did not say "terrorist" fast enough, even though he said "terrorist" the day after. It is almost like he was happy that people died and he thought he nailed the speech.
 
2013-05-07 01:09:03 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: He smirked after making a speech saying that Obama did not say "terrorist" fast enough, even though he said "terrorist" the day after. It is almost like he was happy that people died and he thought he nailed the speech.


Almost?
 
2013-05-07 01:11:32 AM  
Right, what have we got? Some random internet troll states his son once said one of the biggest douches in the company was a jerk, so Benghazi is a scandel. That is farking solid. They're all toast
 
2013-05-07 01:12:01 AM  
Republicans are just bitter that Benghazi wasn't a good enough 'October Surprise' to win Romney the presidency. Maybe they should've negotiated with the terrorists like Reagan did, to make the attack more effective
 
2013-05-07 01:23:07 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Type_Hard: I honestly haven't been following all the Benghazi stories/threads that closely, and I suppose you could accuse me of deflecting, but in all these hearings/reports/etc, has anyone, GOP or otherwise, actually proposed any reforms to prevent something like this from occurring again?

/when I hear things like "it's all about 4 American lives" and see nothing about fixing the problem, the sentement doesn't ring as very genuine

I think the proposal boils down to "get the n***** out of the White House."


As the Teabaggers like to say, "It's called WHITE House for a reason!!!"
 
2013-05-07 01:23:29 AM  
Defense Department officials have said they had no units that could have responded in time to counter the attack in Benghazi

I'm SO glad they made Secretary of Defense Hillary Clinton resign her post.
 
2013-05-07 01:27:44 AM  

NewportBarGuy: DamnYankees: I Said: What motive would the president have to, seemingly according to the right, withhold protection and drag their feet and laugh maniacally while the embassy was attacked?

Democrats are cowards who are afraid to use military force.

You're gonna get a lot of hits with that. Nice.


www.visitingdc.comwww.iop.harvard.edu

www.biography.com

Reminds me of a dad of a friend I went to school with.  He'd say, "There's never been a democrat in office who hasn't gotten us into war."  My how times change.
 
2013-05-07 01:28:12 AM  
there's so much derp in this thread that I don't know where to start.
 
2013-05-07 01:28:24 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Defense Department officials have said they had no units that could have responded in time to counter the attack in Benghazi

I'm SO glad they made Secretary of Defense Hillary Clinton resign her post.


Hill was gonna resign anyways. It was always obvious she was going to only do one term.
 
2013-05-07 01:29:15 AM  

log_jammin: there's so much derp in this thread that I don't know where to start.


Start by not financially supporting the site until they finally do something about the farking trolls.
 
2013-05-07 01:31:02 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Reminds me of a dad of a friend I went to school with. He'd say, "There's never been a democrat in office who hasn't gotten us into war." My how times change.


Johnson was the worst...  At least Kennedy intended to get us out of Vietnam.  Johnson just went full retard on it.
 
2013-05-07 01:31:52 AM  
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