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2013-05-06 09:22:25 PM  

feckingmorons: Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.

People died, Obama lied.


It rhymes and fits on a bumper sticker, so you know it's legit.
 
2013-05-06 09:22:50 PM  

feckingmorons: Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.

People died, Obama lied.


A stupid bumper sticker is not an explanation.  HTH FOAD.
 
2013-05-06 09:23:35 PM  

feckingmorons: Obama lied.


When, where and about what? We're all well aware that Benghazi was an attack on a U.S consulate outpost. What no one has actually done is explain how this is a "scandal" unlike attacks every day in Afghanistan, Iraq, and throughout the last several decades of attacks on consulates and embassies, or how the President "lied" about it.
 
2013-05-06 09:23:42 PM  

ferretman: "It was due to a YouTube video"


That's not an answer.
 
2013-05-06 09:24:08 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: feckingmorons: People died, Obama lied.

... he chants at the screen for two minutes as the party leaders nod approvingly.


dookdookdook: feckingmorons: Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.

People died, Obama lied.

It rhymes and fits on a bumper sticker, so you know it's legit.


The funny thing is that they actually think that's just as bad as, "Bush lied, people died." For some reason, causality is irrelevant to Republicans.
 
2013-05-06 09:25:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Waldo Pepper: Well to be fair, it isn't like Obama had to start the search for Bin laden from square one. If he had it is quite possible that he wouldn't have found bin laden either in 8 year

Actually, it is.  Bush dismantled the Bin Laden task force and didn't consider him a priority.  They weren't even sure if he was alive.


There were still a lot of people in the military and intelligence communities who were looking hard. They needed the support of someone like Obama to succeed. Once they got that support, pow. They deserve a lot of credit for staying the course while the Republicans dismantled their efforts.
 
2013-05-06 09:26:20 PM  

feckingmorons: Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.

People died, Obama lied.


Exactly what was Obama's lie?

Were the dead people due to Obama lies?

Where were you when GW Bush lied to get thousands killed in needless war? Where do you get the moral standing to accuse the current administration of a scandal?

What, actually, is the scandal?
 
2013-05-06 09:27:27 PM  
feckingmorons:

People died, Obama lied.

huh.  the GOP version of the 'Two minutes hate'.  I still think Orwell's version was better.
 
2013-05-06 09:27:31 PM  

dr_blasto: feckingmorons: Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.

People died, Obama lied.

Exactly what was Obama's lie?

Were the dead people due to Obama lies?

Where were you when GW Bush lied to get thousands killed in needless war? Where do you get the moral standing to accuse the current administration of a scandal?

What, actually, is the scandal?


The president is a Democrat.
 
2013-05-06 09:28:24 PM  
This story, again. How exciting.
 
2013-05-06 09:28:40 PM  

BSABSVR: ferretman: "It was due to a YouTube video"

That's not an answer.


That's not an actual quote either.
 
2013-05-06 09:30:41 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ineptitude seems to be a common thread. Let's go with that. More is coming.

How is this "ineptitude" ? Lay it all out for me. Right here. That's an invitation.

Be patient.


"I'm not smart enough to really understand, so once I'm out of talking points, I'll just get mysterious.  Youtube. Act of terror.  Susan Rice. It's not the crime it's the cover-up".

After seeing some of you winners in this thread i was surprised that this wasn't main paged.
 
2013-05-06 09:31:33 PM  
Every time I hear the word Benghazi I keep thinking of Mitt Romneys malicious smirk after he walked away from the podium 8 months ago.

And here we are, with Republicans still trying to make political hay from the deaths of four Americans.

USA USA USA!
 
2013-05-06 09:31:47 PM  

ferretman: [Photo of Dr. Rice]
"It was due to a YouTube video"


How is that a scandal? There were other protests/attacks at the same time elsewhere that were. If the protest over the movie served as cover for a preplanned attack on 9/11, that doesn't mean the movie "had nothing to do with the American deaths" (unless it just means that the movie isn't to blame for the deaths, in which case I agree). Any idiot can see it was preplanned, as I said at the time. That's why the President called it an "act of terror" at his first news conference. That doesn't exclude the video for inciting protests at the same time. Again, how is this a scandal?
 
2013-05-06 09:33:42 PM  
What I've heard is that this whole attack was a couple hours long. Correct me if i'm wrong.

these special forces were to be deployed the next day.

what were they going to do?
 
2013-05-06 09:34:40 PM  

Heraclitus: Every time I hear the word Benghazi I keep thinking of Mitt Romneys malicious smirk after he walked away from the podium 8 months ago.


i.imgur.com

Perhaps Governor Romney should testify tomorrow? He certainly claimed to be the expert.
 
2013-05-06 09:34:49 PM  

firefly212: the right is upset that the investigation wasn't complete 48 hours after the attack


Hannity on his radio show this afternoon apparently had on someone who claimed to be the drone operator from the night of the consulate attacks giving his side of the story.  I thought it was a parody bit when I turned it on, seriously.  The guy was parroting every right-wing talking point, even going to the point of saying "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!" when asked if he thought it was a cover-up.  The guy talked about breaking a NDA and getting in trouble by talking on air.  I seriously thought I'd hear "BABABOOEY!" any minute.. but sadly, didn't.
 
2013-05-06 09:35:01 PM  

dr_blasto: BSABSVR: ferretman: "It was due to a YouTube video"

That's not an answer.

That's not an actual quote either.


Yes, but it's memetic on the right now.  Along with the "fact" that Obama was watching in real time.
 
2013-05-06 09:35:52 PM  
Benghazi on the other hand had a CIA center that wasn't to be revealed. But it was revealed by some traitorous Senators(R) and some traitorous Congressmen(R) who were never arrested by the FBI/CIA to be tried for treason of revealed classified information.

Time to get the fark out of the mess that the U.S. has made to the Middle East with all its placed puppet Dictatorships.

This wasn't a scandal either. [sarcasm!!!] It was covered up as the powers that be decided to let the attack continue to avoid a military conflict with Israel.

The USS Liberty attack/murders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[3] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[4] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][5]

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[6]

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$21.9 million in 2013) as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liberty itself plus 13 years' interest.[7]
 
2013-05-06 09:36:17 PM  
Heraclitus:
And here we are, with Republicans still trying to make political hay from the deaths of four Americans.

the weird part is how the GOP types expect us to forget everything they've done over the past couple of years.  its like they cannot understand the internet DOES NOT FORGET!  not ever.  each and every gaffe, mistake and oddball statement the Republicans have made is archived, sorted and stored for easy retrieval.  so when the GOP stands up and says the same tired old lies again and pretends that this time its something new....they forget that the rest of us are doing a quick google search for what actually happened and looking over the historical files from the past couple months.
 
2013-05-06 09:36:27 PM  

Frozboz: "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!"


False Flag?
 
2013-05-06 09:36:56 PM  

Asa Phelps: What I've heard is that this whole attack was a couple hours long. Correct me if i'm wrong.

these special forces were to be deployed the next day.

what were they going to do?


Just imagine the wharrgarbl had the Tripoli consulate been attacked the next day, and Obama had moved those guys to Benghazi. Can you imagine?
 
2013-05-06 09:37:47 PM  
I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.
 
2013-05-06 09:38:07 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-06 09:38:17 PM  

sheep snorter: Benghazi on the other hand had a CIA center that wasn't to be revealed. But it was revealed by some traitorous Senators(R) and some traitorous Congressmen(R) who were never arrested by the FBI/CIA to be tried for treason of revealed classified information.

Time to get the fark out of the mess that the U.S. has made to the Middle East with all its placed puppet Dictatorships.

This wasn't a scandal either. [sarcasm!!!] It was covered up as the powers that be decided to let the attack continue to avoid a military conflict with Israel.

The USS Liberty attack/murders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[3] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[4] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][5]

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[6]

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$21.9 million in 2013) as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liber ...


www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-05-06 09:38:29 PM  

BSABSVR: dr_blasto: BSABSVR: ferretman: "It was due to a YouTube video"

That's not an answer.

That's not an actual quote either.

Yes, but it's memetic on the right now.  Along with the "fact" that Obama was watching in real time.


Well, even Obama needs something to fap to like the rest of us. Or something. These people are sad sacks, if they weren't so annoying I'd feel bad for them.
 
2013-05-06 09:38:50 PM  
As far as I can tell, the people claiming this to be a "scandal" (or otherwise purporting to be scandalized) are doing so on the basis of one or more of the following:

- Misunderstanding the source of these orders
- Misunderstanding the reasoning behind the orders
- Misunderstanding the likely (or hell, even the best-case) scenario had some different instructions been given
 
2013-05-06 09:39:42 PM  

BSABSVR: dr_blasto: BSABSVR: ferretman: "It was due to a YouTube video"

That's not an answer.

That's not an actual quote either.

Yes, but it's memetic on the right now.  Along with the "fact" that Obama was watching in real time.


On his personal drone that is also a magic time machine.
 
2013-05-06 09:41:19 PM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


Point to actual obfuscation and the actual cover up.
 
2013-05-06 09:42:08 PM  

Frozboz: firefly212: the right is upset that the investigation wasn't complete 48 hours after the attack

Hannity on his radio show this afternoon apparently had on someone who claimed to be the drone operator from the night of the consulate attacks giving his side of the story.  I thought it was a parody bit when I turned it on, seriously.  The guy was parroting every right-wing talking point, even going to the point of saying "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!" when asked if he thought it was a cover-up.  The guy talked about breaking a NDA and getting in trouble by talking on air.  I seriously thought I'd hear "BABABOOEY!" any minute.. but sadly, didn't.


you mean the drone that arrived near the end of the attack on the consulate?
 
2013-05-06 09:43:08 PM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake
 
2013-05-06 09:43:18 PM  

Whodat: The administration has...done nothing but fuel the flames.


What flames? What fuel?
 
2013-05-06 09:43:29 PM  
Remember kids...

President is a democrat - can't possibly be responsible for everything

President is republican - he's commander in chief, everything is his fault
 
2013-05-06 09:43:35 PM  
Pure poly ticks. Sad for our country. Sad for the people who died.
 
2013-05-06 09:44:02 PM  

dr_blasto: Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.

Point to actual obfuscation and the actual cover up.


More importantly, point to the motive. Nixon's campaign staff committed a crime, and Nixon covered it up. Obama's, I mean, someone committed a crime, and, well, Obama, er, well, you see... IT'S A SCANDAL, DAMMIT! WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME!?! CAN'T YOU SEE HOW BLACK HE IS!?!
 
2013-05-06 09:44:28 PM  

Frozboz: Hannity on his radio show this afternoon apparently had on someone who claimed to be the drone operator from the night of the consulate attacks giving his side of the story. I thought it was a parody bit when I turned it on, seriously. The guy was parroting every right-wing talking point, even going to the point of saying "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!" when asked if he thought it was a cover-up. The guy talked about breaking a NDA and getting in trouble by talking on air. I seriously thought I'd hear "BABABOOEY!" any minute.. but sadly, didn't.


Apparently Fox has some alleged anonymous insider whistleblower source who's just been recycling previously-known-and-debunked bullshiat from months ago as if it's bombshell breaking news.  Dunno if it's the same guy, but probably the same propaganda technique.

mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/02/foreign-policy-magazine-casts-more-d o ubt-on-fox/193876

(cut & paste b/c fark hates mediamatters links)
 
2013-05-06 09:44:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Remember kids...

President is a democrat - can't possibly be responsible for everything

President is republican - he's commander in chief, everything is his fault


When it's really the opposite?
 
2013-05-06 09:44:51 PM  

Asa Phelps: What I've heard is that this whole attack was a couple hours long. Correct me if i'm wrong.

these special forces were to be deployed the next day.

what were they going to do?


Link to analysis and a timeline:

Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were killed early.  The other two were killed several hours later.

Short answer: If Michael Bay movies were real life, Obama could have saved everyone.  But he chose not to activate Optimus Prime so as to advance sharia.
 
2013-05-06 09:44:58 PM  

Somacandra: Whodat: The administration has...done nothing but fuel the flames.

What flames? What fuel?


Obama has been black when talking about this.  Can you believe that?
 
2013-05-06 09:45:27 PM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate.


How the shiat does this compare with a President ordering a burglary?
 
2013-05-06 09:46:20 PM  

dookdookdook: Frozboz: Hannity on his radio show this afternoon apparently had on someone who claimed to be the drone operator from the night of the consulate attacks giving his side of the story. I thought it was a parody bit when I turned it on, seriously. The guy was parroting every right-wing talking point, even going to the point of saying "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!" when asked if he thought it was a cover-up. The guy talked about breaking a NDA and getting in trouble by talking on air. I seriously thought I'd hear "BABABOOEY!" any minute.. but sadly, didn't.

Apparently Fox has some alleged anonymous insider whistleblower source who's just been recycling previously-known-and-debunked bullshiat from months ago as if it's bombshell breaking news.  Dunno if it's the same guy, but probably the same propaganda technique.

mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/02/foreign-policy-magazine-casts-more-d o ubt-on-fox/193876

(cut & paste b/c fark hates mediamatters links)


he's probably a self-hating male prostitute who runs his own news website that nobody has ever heard of.
 
2013-05-06 09:47:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Remember kids...

President is a democrat - can't possibly be responsible for everything

President is republican - he's commander in chief, everything is his fault


Did you actually write that with a straight face after 8 years of W as president.  Projection at it's finest.
 
2013-05-06 09:48:12 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: On his personal drone that is also a magic time machine.


Congratulations on your re-election Mr. Obama.  A reminder, sir, that we expect our leaders to obey the laws of the land INCLUDING the laws of physics.
 
2013-05-06 09:49:17 PM  

vygramul: dr_blasto: Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.

Point to actual obfuscation and the actual cover up.

More importantly, point to the motive. Nixon's campaign staff committed a crime, and Nixon covered it up. Obama's, I mean, someone committed a crime, and, well, Obama, er, well, you see... IT'S A SCANDAL, DAMMIT! WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME!?! CAN'T YOU SEE HOW BLACK HE IS!?!


Exactly. What was covered up? How do you have a cover up if there's nothing to cover?

Was there initial confusion? Sure.
Did Rice speak with bad information? Yep.
Did Obama say anything untrue? Nope.
With 20/20 hindsight, could this have been prevented? Definitely.

WTF is the cover up? Are the Republicans covering up for their refusal to fund security for the State Dept?
 
2013-05-06 09:49:24 PM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


So, you think that this is somehow worse than Watergate, and will result in Obama being impeached and resigning from office?

I just want to get a sense of the full extent of the crazy before deciding how hard to laugh.
 
2013-05-06 09:50:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Remember kids...

President is a democrat - can't possibly be responsible for everything

President is republican - he's commander in chief, everything is his fault


"Ultimately as Commander-in-Chief I am responsible and I don't shy away from that responsibility," -President Obama 28OCT12

-Michael Scott 28OCT12

Sounds like he took responsibility fairly quickly. Your trollz is teh lulz.

Source:

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/264 46 9-obama-says-he-is-ultimately-responsible-for-benghazi-security
 
2013-05-06 09:51:54 PM  

Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


The only ones obfuscating the truth are the GOP.
 
2013-05-06 09:51:59 PM  

Biological Ali: Whodat: I think that this will pan out like Watergate. It wasn't the actual event that was the problem but rather the obfuscation and cover up that will be the real issue. Obvious difference being that nobody died in Watergate.

The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.

So, you think that this is somehow worse than Watergate, and will result in Obama being impeached and resigning from office?

I just want to get a sense of the full extent of the crazy before deciding how hard to laugh.


Well, it has certainly damaged any chance of me voting for him for President in the future.
 
2013-05-06 09:52:05 PM  

Asa Phelps: dookdookdook: Frozboz: Hannity on his radio show this afternoon apparently had on someone who claimed to be the drone operator from the night of the consulate attacks giving his side of the story. I thought it was a parody bit when I turned it on, seriously. The guy was parroting every right-wing talking point, even going to the point of saying "we knew RIGHT THEN it wasn't a normal demonstration!" when asked if he thought it was a cover-up. The guy talked about breaking a NDA and getting in trouble by talking on air. I seriously thought I'd hear "BABABOOEY!" any minute.. but sadly, didn't.

Apparently Fox has some alleged anonymous insider whistleblower source who's just been recycling previously-known-and-debunked bullshiat from months ago as if it's bombshell breaking news.  Dunno if it's the same guy, but probably the same propaganda technique.

mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/02/foreign-policy-magazine-casts-more-d o ubt-on-fox/193876

(cut & paste b/c fark hates mediamatters links)

he's probably a self-hating male prostitute who runs his own news website that nobody has ever heard of.


Wonder if Fox is just making it up and they know they're just a propaganda mill or someone is farking with them and Fox just doesn't care enough to verify the person's credentials.
 
2013-05-06 09:52:51 PM  

Whodat: The administration has had a long time to get out in front of this issue and they have done nothing but fuel the flames.


This is exactly what you guys said about Obama's birth certificate.
 
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