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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 681
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2013-05-06 08:38:03 PM  

Walter Paisley: Americans need a new holiday to bring them together. I propose we create something similar to Guy Fawkes day and have people celebrate by creating effigies of Darrell Issa and Lindsey Graham and repeatedly kick them in the shin.


I've got so many dibbs on Issa ever since he published (online) details about how intelligence is gathered at ports. Never before have I seen a guy who so sorely needed a swift kick in the nuts.
 
2013-05-06 08:38:33 PM  

Somacandra: firefly212: The ARB (Accountability Review Board) was to find who in the state department was responsible... several people resigned, including the congressionally appointed guy who was in charge of security. Congress isn't looking for responsibility at this point, they're just trying to find some way to hang this farking albatross around Obama, but they still haven't got one.

I think they're still pissed that Hillary biatchslapped them over a full day's testimony. Its really about Clinton, not Obama. Its another attempt to poison the well for the future.


Why are they so scared of a strong, Liberal woman?
 
2013-05-06 08:38:34 PM  

DarwiOdrade: There's nothing new here - all this information was already released and, despite Republican attempts to turn in into a mountain, is actually a molehill.


I thought all this sounded familiar.
 
2013-05-06 08:39:50 PM  
These teabaggers think it's funny to drop SpecForce assets into a situation well past the SF guys' ability to remedy.

These teabaggers think it's a great idea to lessen embassy and consulate security funding, and then shriek about the rights of a known parole abuser who got his witless ass slapped back in the pokey for deliberately busting the clear conditions of his parole.

These teabaggers think TYRANNY SATANIC POLICE STATE when new postal regs come up for mailing perfume to overseas adresses.
 
2013-05-06 08:39:54 PM  
They thought they could get Hillary to say something incriminating...I don't know why anyone thought that political opponents could make Hilary Clinton say anything she didn't want to say, but let's move past that...and she didn't.  Obama is pretty much bulletproof in the scandal department because he went into it knowing he'd have to be twice as clean to be seen as half as good.  Every little word, every line of syntax, every mark of punctuation and passing second must be reviewed, reconfigured, and rehashed from hundreds of documents for months to even begin to make this (an Obama failure in Benghazi) sound like something worth being concerned about.  Even then it just isn't quite good enough.

There is nothing here.  There never was anything here.  Doting on it for months will never, ever make anything horribly scandalous or incriminating appear.  Just stop it.  If you're going to try and play divisional politics, you have to admit when the other guy won this round, go home, regroup, and try and dig up a different scandal.  You're embarrassing yourselves.  You used to be better than this.

Though, to be honest, the Republicans have been off their game since a couple of nosy reporters got Nixon to resign about something relatively benign when no one had ever given a shiat about Kennedy who was a corrupt bastard.  Then Reagan forgot what he forgot and when he forgot it.  To make it worse, a decade later, the greater collective of American society was miming masturbatory motions at the Republicans while they flailed trying to make it important that the president was having an intimate affair that by some standards wasn't even really sex.
 
2013-05-06 08:41:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Especially Lindsey Graham. F*cking JAG thinks he's Rambo.


Maybe we should send him in next time.

/there will always be a next time
 
2013-05-06 08:41:45 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.

I just can't see how this position makes any sense at all. Benghazi was such a small casualty list compared to what the enemies of the US suffer every day, through direct military actions, sanctions, and good old economic competition. Benghazi should be taken as evidence that the USA is still secure, happy, and nearly impossible to hurt in any significant way, from the outside.


Yup, Obama lied... just like Hillary's "signature" is right on the cable... seriously though, the right is upset that the investigation wasn't complete 48 hours after the attack, that some key points got changed a few days later as intel developed, and that they can't, for the life of them, articulate what they would have done differently or better. Hamstringing them even more is the fact that they're the ones who overrode Hillary and cut the security consultant budget for the Department of State... though they're of the mindset that Hillary should have seen the attack coming, put all the security resources there instead of at the other hotspots around the region, and magically known instantly that though there were a dozen other protests based on the video, that this was the one that was going to be opportunistically used to attack a small installation.
 
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2013-05-06 08:42:16 PM  

Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.


I don't think that the sort of people who think that this is a scandal are going to ask that, but I suppose the argument would be that Obama is a terrorist who want's to destroy 'murka and is in league with the terrorists or something like that.
 
2013-05-06 08:42:21 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mugato: For the last Goddamned time, how is this a scandal? Just tell us, even if it's a lame ass reason. Just something, please.

Yes.  As a person who doesn't reflexively despise Obama and blame him for everything bad that happens, I too would like to know exactly what the "scandal" is.

If it's all about someone saying it happened because of a movie when they knew it wasn't, or because Hillary Clinton's name appears on a letterhead, then "conservatives" are even more retarded than I ever imagined.

Yet, those are the only two things people put forth as being a "scandal."


They want something to desperately stick to Obama they resorted to outright lying. I can't imagine how miserable Republicans must be to absolutely hate someone as much as they hate Obama.
 
2013-05-06 08:44:06 PM  
Congressional investigators released a partial transcript of Hicks's testimony Monday in advance of a hearing Wednesday at which he is scheduled to appear.

Well, let's see what he says on Wednesday.
 
2013-05-06 08:44:19 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: AdamK: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

what does government people getting killed by foreigners have to do with government people oppressing the proletariat?

Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.


Do it!
 
2013-05-06 08:44:24 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Tatsuma: NewportBarGuy: It was over before they could even write the OPORD.

... the attack lasted for hours.

Right, and people with active knowledge of how a Team deploys says they could not have been their in time. Don't you think the President asked SecDef that question FIRST? I do.


The agency that actually knows this type of shiat was not consulted.  So the people who ordered a stand-down didn't know.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force- no t-convened-during-benghazi-consulate-attack/
 
2013-05-06 08:45:27 PM  

gadian: They thought they could get Hillary to say something incriminating...I don't know why anyone thought that political opponents could make Hilary Clinton say anything she didn't want to say, but let's move past that...and she didn't.  Obama is pretty much bulletproof in the scandal department because he went into it knowing he'd have to be twice as clean to be seen as half as good.  Every little word, every line of syntax, every mark of punctuation and passing second must be reviewed, reconfigured, and rehashed from hundreds of documents for months to even begin to make this (an Obama failure in Benghazi) sound like something worth being concerned about.  Even then it just isn't quite good enough.

There is nothing here.  There never was anything here.  Doting on it for months will never, ever make anything horribly scandalous or incriminating appear.  Just stop it.  If you're going to try and play divisional politics, you have to admit when the other guy won this round, go home, regroup, and try and dig up a different scandal.  You're embarrassing yourselves.  You used to be better than this.

Though, to be honest, the Republicans have been off their game since a couple of nosy reporters got Nixon to resign about something relatively benign when no one had ever given a shiat about Kennedy who was a corrupt bastard.  Then Reagan forgot what he forgot and when he forgot it.  To make it worse, a decade later, the greater collective of American society was miming masturbatory motions at the Republicans while they flailed trying to make it important that the president was having an intimate affair that by some standards wasn't even really sex.

2.bp.blogspot.com
The straight powder, no water.  You gotta admire that.
 
2013-05-06 08:49:08 PM  

randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.


Care to quote his bold faced lies?
 
2013-05-06 08:50:26 PM  

dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: Especially Lindsey Graham. F*cking JAG thinks he's Rambo.

Maybe we should send him in next time.

/there will always be a next time


I'm sure the enemy would cower in fear at the thought of an effeminate southern fancy lad coming their way...
www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-06 08:52:45 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

So more youtube views equals more credibility?

Techno Viking is now the authority on everything.


This is an idea I am 100% for. Techno Viking for everything.
 
2013-05-06 08:53:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The straight powder, no water.  You gotta admire that.


Not really. We don't admire you mainlining the GOP hater-ade, after all.
 
2013-05-06 08:53:31 PM  
Sending in special forces into a situation that just happened isn't going to happen. Special forces don't get sent into anything without copious intel and planning, that's the whole thing to special forces really. They go in where other forces can't, for any of a number of reasons, when you have a clear objective and can develop a clear plan. A special forces unit can spend months preparing for a mission that between insertion and removal lasts an hour. Also even if you want to ignore all that, it's not likely there was a special forces unit, SEALs, Rangers etc anywhere near to the situation. Plus on top of that, there's the issue of having PJ's ready to go. They aren't so big on the planning thing, but they do need to be ready and near by in case someone ends up needing rescuing.
 
2013-05-06 08:53:49 PM  

NewportBarGuy: 4 Special Operators? They already killed two ex-SEALs. Did you want a higher body count?

Jesus. And the reason they couldn't get a team from Europe was time. It was over before they could even write the OPORD. They don't just throw people into the fire. They need at least SOME time to prep before they get dropped.

The whole timeline was laid out already. Jets and 4 Green Hats? Yes, what a horrific scandal. I'm now ashamed to be a Real American.


That is what I was thinking.  If those four troops were deployed then we would've just had four more bodies added to the body count.  Reality isn't like the Rambo movies where one guy can take out an entire opposing army.
 
2013-05-06 08:54:01 PM  
Ever since Obama won reelection, I've assumed he'll be impeached (and, like Clinton, not removed from office), because the system is so polarized, Republicans have nothing else to do.  Impeachment is going to become routine for second-term presidents, like a third campaign.
 
2013-05-06 08:55:14 PM  
Meet the new Truthers just like the old Truthers.
 
2013-05-06 08:55:43 PM  

Nem Wan: Ever since Obama won reelection, I've assumed he'll be impeached (and, like Clinton, not removed from office), because the system is so polarized, Republicans have nothing else to do.  Impeachment is going to become routine for second-term presidents, like a third campaign.


Not really. They just hate Obama, and want him gone. It is just sad.
 
2013-05-06 08:56:16 PM  

Ed Grubermann: What's the scandal?


The President is a Democrat.
 
2013-05-06 08:56:33 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.


You know what? They should go with that. They should try to impeach obama. I'm sure that will be recieved well.
 
2013-05-06 08:56:47 PM  

liam76: randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.

Care to quote his bold faced lies?


I have the audio.

/Oh, you mean backing it up
 
2013-05-06 08:59:47 PM  

Felgraf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.

You know what? They should go with that. They should try to impeach obama. I'm sure that will be recieved well.


They'll try to do it, if they take the Senate in 2014.
 
2013-05-06 09:00:04 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Ed Grubermann: What's the scandal?

The President is a Democrat.


Holy shiat! At least he's not a ni-*BONG*!
 
2013-05-06 09:01:53 PM  
There are a number of things we don't know about the Consulate. We do know that there was a ███ base, less than a mile away. The function at the Consulate was ████████ and ███████.
If the State Department initially fed us a line of ambiguity, it was due to ███████  ███████.

/███████
 
2013-05-06 09:02:52 PM  
So the official seems to be talking more about things that could have been done to prevent or deter the consulate attacks. To me, it seems more like opining than whistleblowing. The most scandalous thing mentioned is tje special ops not being deployed, but there may have been a reason for that call. You can argue over whether or not it was the right call, but this doesn't strike me as impeachable crap. I think the GOP is aware of this, given how the Rep. Quoted in the article seems to focus more on hammerin the President's response rather than accusing him of a coverup.
 
2013-05-06 09:03:00 PM  
To anyone who keeps saying that it wouldn't have mattered if they sent in some troops.

Unless Obama actually does have a magical time machine there was no way for anyone to know at the time if it would've helped or not. The reports from the scene at the time asked for help and none was sent, or apparently even kicked into gear so that they could be that much more prepared when they finally were given the orders to go in. I'll say that again. If you get a call for assistance because you are under fire you should get it no questions asked, you can ask questions later on. If it turns out that the assistance is no longer required then you can always turn them around and send them back home.

It's one thing to say that "We need time to prepare but we are working on it as we speak and we will get there as soon as we can." as opposed to saying "No, we won't send anyone to help.". That's where the "Scandal" is. At the very least whoever it was in the chain of command that decided to not get the ball rolling should be put up on the chopping block.
 
2013-05-06 09:03:20 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: How else do you think the Syrian "rebels" got those chems? Smuggled out if Libya during the embassy attack.

Duh


Right. Because the only thing stopping them was the US embassy (it wasn't the embassy, btw).

/know you're probably being sarcastic, but just in case
 
2013-05-06 09:04:05 PM  
So... The Republicans who failed to find Bin Laden for eight years would have somehow done a better job in Benghazi?

Or maybe Romney, who ran a campaign so clueless that he had no idea he was going to get his ass handed to him, would have somehow magically anticipated the attacks and prevented them?

The real scandal here is how the Republicans are trying to make hay out of the deaths of four americans. I will personally never remember Benghazi without thinking of that shiat eating grin on Romney's face when he held his press conference. That was the face of the Republican response the day of the attacks. A big ol happy smile.
 
2013-05-06 09:05:00 PM  

firefly212: Walter Paisley: Americans need a new holiday to bring them together. I propose we create something similar to Guy Fawkes day and have people celebrate by creating effigies of Darrell Issa and Lindsey Graham and repeatedly kick them in the shin.

I've got so many dibbs on Issa ever since he published (online) details about how intelligence is gathered at ports. Never before have I seen a guy who so sorely needed a swift kick in the nuts.


That's whats so disgusting about these individuals. They aren't doing this on any sort of principle, they're just exploiting something for political points. I should add that this new holiday should have a name along the lines of "Stop Exploiting Murders for Political Points, You Assholes! Day."
 
2013-05-06 09:06:24 PM  

leviosaurus: So... The Republicans who failed to find Bin Laden for eight years would have somehow done a better job in Benghazi?

Or maybe Romney, who ran a campaign so clueless that he had no idea he was going to get his ass handed to him, would have somehow magically anticipated the attacks and prevented them?

The real scandal here is how the Republicans are trying to make hay out of the deaths of four americans. I will personally never remember Benghazi without thinking of that shiat eating grin on Romney's face when he held his press conference. That was the face of the Republican response the day of the attacks. A big ol happy smile.


I think the Republicans are happy the attack happened. They need something to attack Obama with, and this is the best that they have.
 
2013-05-06 09:07:51 PM  
Looks like Obama's not going to win a reelection after this scandal.
 
2013-05-06 09:08:36 PM  

firefly212: Yup, Obama lied... just like Hillary's "signature" is right on the cable... seriously though, the right is upset that the investigation wasn't complete 48 hours after the attack, that some key points got changed a few days later as intel developed, and that they can't, for the life of them, articulate what they would have done differently or better. Hamstringing them even more is the fact that they're the ones who overrode Hillary and cut the security consultant budget for the Department of State... though they're of the mindset that Hillary should have seen the attack coming, put all the security resources there instead of at the other hotspots around the region, and magically known instantly that though there were a dozen other protests based on the video, that this was the one that was going to be opportunistically used to attack a small installation.


Ugh that seems so useless. I wish the left wing was as loud and relentless about the budget cuts. Not that I think the US State Department needs a bigger budget, but it would make people think more practically about the problems that the US's partisan gridlock has created.
 
2013-05-06 09:11:01 PM  
Countdown to congress getting GitMo'd begins now.
 
2013-05-06 09:11:50 PM  

doyner: I Said: Let's say the GOP and their tinfoil brigade is correct: what was the motive again? Is it still that Obama is a muslim usurper?

What motive would the president have to, seemingly according to the right, withhold protection and drag their feet and laugh maniacally while the embassy was attacked?

"Now watch this drive"


t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-06 09:16:30 PM  

Kittypie070: Why did the GOP demand the consulate be stripped of security?

Why did they deny funding for consulate security?


Why isn't this a scandal yet?
 
2013-05-06 09:17:09 PM  
I see the usual gang of idiots is here in full force, trying to make a something out of a nothing. Why don't you morons go back to accusing Fartbongo of being a Kenyan sleeper agent? At least that was somewhat amusing and didn't involve waving dead people around like farking flags.
 
2013-05-06 09:17:44 PM  

zenobia: Kittypie070: Why did the GOP demand the consulate be stripped of security?

Why did they deny funding for consulate security?

Why isn't this a scandal yet?


IOKIYAR
 
2013-05-06 09:18:27 PM  

Waldo Pepper: leviosaurus: So... The Republicans who failed to find Bin Laden for eight years would have somehow done a better job in Benghazi?

Well to be fair, it isn't like Obama had to start the search for Bin laden from square one. If he had it is quite possible that he wouldn't have found bin laden either in 8 year


They did start from square one. The case was COLD, they had absolutely no idea where Bin Laden was, and even worse, Bush didn't even care, so there was little resource in finding him. It was Obama that got the ball rolling.
 
2013-05-06 09:18:49 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: firefly212: Yup, Obama lied... just like Hillary's "signature" is right on the cable... seriously though, the right is upset that the investigation wasn't complete 48 hours after the attack, that some key points got changed a few days later as intel developed, and that they can't, for the life of them, articulate what they would have done differently or better. Hamstringing them even more is the fact that they're the ones who overrode Hillary and cut the security consultant budget for the Department of State... though they're of the mindset that Hillary should have seen the attack coming, put all the security resources there instead of at the other hotspots around the region, and magically known instantly that though there were a dozen other protests based on the video, that this was the one that was going to be opportunistically used to attack a small installation.

Ugh that seems so useless. I wish the left wing was as loud and relentless about the budget cuts. Not that I think the US State Department needs a bigger budget, but it would make people think more practically about the problems that the US's partisan gridlock has created.


Sadly, the center and left do not have a massive corporate media infrastructure dedicated to barking talking points at above-ground nuclear test levels at the entire country 24/7.
 
2013-05-06 09:18:53 PM  

Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.


People died, Obama lied.
 
2013-05-06 09:19:41 PM  

Waldo Pepper: leviosaurus: So... The Republicans who failed to find Bin Laden for eight years would have somehow done a better job in Benghazi?

Well to be fair, it isn't like Obama had to start the search for Bin laden from square one. If he had it is quite possible that he wouldn't have found bin laden either in 8 year


You may want to read up on the state of the investigation when the situation was handed to Obama before you get too attached to that theory. It wasn't square one, but it was damn near.
 
2013-05-06 09:20:40 PM  

Nem Wan: Ever since Obama won reelection, I've assumed he'll be impeached (and, like Clinton, not removed from office), because the system is so polarized, Republicans have nothing else to do.  Impeachment is going to become routine for Democratic second-term presidents, like a third campaign.


Remember, Republicans can do no wrong, and when they do do wrong we should work with them and not against them because they are a valuable part of the political conversation and totally not a bloody shiatstain on America's underwear.
 
2013-05-06 09:20:48 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Well to be fair, it isn't like Obama had to start the search for Bin laden from square one. If he had it is quite possible that he wouldn't have found bin laden either in 8 year


Actually, it is.  Bush dismantled the Bin Laden task force and didn't consider him a priority.  They weren't even sure if he was alive.
 
2013-05-06 09:20:55 PM  

Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.

==

Preview of Tomorrow: A response team was sent to Benghazi; according to the State Department's report, "the seven-person response team from Embassy Tripoli ... arrived at the Annex about 0500 local. Less than fifteen minutes later, the Annex came under mortar and RPG attack, with five mortar rounds impacting close together in under 90 seconds." Hicks doesn't say that the CIA issued stand down orders, let alone twice. He says that a jet was never scrambled to fly over the city (which we knew) and that a second team, one that arrived too late, should have gotten there faster.

How is this an impeachable offense? Seriously, lay it all out for me. I'm all about the government pulling lots of shiat its not supposed to...that's nothing new to anyone who's studied American history. But where is the actual scandal here in this case? Solyndra made more sense than this.


4.bp.blogspot.com
"It was due to a YouTube video"
 
2013-05-06 09:21:57 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.


You should stop guessing at things.
 
2013-05-06 09:22:11 PM  

feckingmorons: People died, Obama lied.


... he chants at the screen for two minutes as the party leaders nod approvingly.
 
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