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(Washington Post)   Special Ops were told not to respond to Benghazi attacks. It might actually be a scandal now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 681
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2013-05-06 07:28:10 PM  
Defense Department officials have said they had no units that could have responded in time to counter the attack in Benghazi
 
2013-05-06 07:28:52 PM  
Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?

I'm not averse to accepting that Obama is capable of being a duplicitous prick but at least explain it to me.
 
2013-05-06 07:29:38 PM  

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: Defense Department officials have said they had no units that could have responded in time to counter the attack in Benghazi


The Defense Department hates Foggy Bottom, duh. It's a conspiracy!
 
2013-05-06 07:30:34 PM  
It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.
 
2013-05-06 07:30:54 PM  

feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.


I'm with you man! Those Bilderbergers really have us by the balls!
 
2013-05-06 07:34:30 PM  
You know how I know it's a scandal? All the left winger's voices going up four octaves and 100 dB shrieking that it isn't.
 
2013-05-06 07:36:04 PM  
KFTC.
 
2013-05-06 07:38:15 PM  

Mugato: Would someone please for the love of Christ tell me how this is a scandal?


The GOP needs a scandal, so - it's a scandal.  it's just that simple.
 
2013-05-06 07:39:30 PM  
In unrelated news, Darryl "Jesus" looks pleased as he demonstrates the Blessing of the Dildos, using the two fixed dildos in the foreground. Note that press members brought their own from home to get theirs blessed, too.

www1.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2013-05-06 07:40:14 PM  

cman: When you go on witch hunts you leave not until you find your witch.

TBH, this really aint shiat. This is what is called "reaching".


It is not reaching. Actual documents show reports of al queda links were scrubbed from reports clinton told congress there were no terrorist links until sept 23. She was on a memo for al queda links on sept 11. She lied. Why do liberals ignore this. The administration lied publicly, arrested tbe movie maker, for what? Election year politics.
 
2013-05-06 07:40:19 PM  

Tatsuma: NewportBarGuy: It was over before they could even write the OPORD.

... the attack lasted for hours.


Not only that, but there were repeated smaller attacks on the building by known groups in the proceeding days, yet reports to DC about the growing threat and requests for further security were ignored and denied.
 
2013-05-06 07:41:08 PM  

feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.


what does government people getting killed by foreigners have to do with government people oppressing the proletariat?
 
2013-05-06 07:41:22 PM  

jjorsett: You know how I know it's a scandal? All the left winger's voices going up four octaves and 100 dB shrieking that it isn't.


no, everyone NOT a glen beck follower is scratching their heads trying to figure out what the GOP is trying to do here.
 
2013-05-06 07:41:34 PM  

feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.


Except when it's a Republican administration. Then they are just bending the rules to keep us safe, and no further.
 
2013-05-06 07:41:52 PM  
The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.
 
2013-05-06 07:42:29 PM  

randomjsa: Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.


How many Goddmaned times does everyone have to ask this, how was this a cover up?
 
2013-05-06 07:43:04 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.


kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.
 
2013-05-06 07:43:06 PM  
AdolfOliverPanties:  Weren't F14s told to stand down on 9-11?  Sure didn't stop Dubya from getting a second term and farking this country in the ass with Cheney's dick.

i.imgur.com

Uh, no. Not that I've seen. If this is true, I would like to see a citation from a reputable source.
 
2013-05-06 07:43:11 PM  
If the right had pushed the sentiment that this was a massive failure on the administration versus a scandal they might have gotten something out of it other than looking like giant douchebags.

The fact that, over 6 months later, they are still trying to make it a scandal shows that they got absolutely nothin'. At this point a real scandal could be laid at their feet and they wouldn't even notice it due to their anti-Obama zealotry and laser focus on the embassy attack.

As somebody else pointed out way early in this thread, what's the endgame for this 'scandal' anyways? What possible motive could the State Dept., and Obama by extension, have to cover anything up about this attack, politically speaking? What a bunch of whacked out partisans.
 
2013-05-06 07:43:24 PM  

AdamK: feckingmorons: It was a scandal then. Did you actually believe it was because of some youtube video with less than 50K views?

Really?

Your government lies to you constantly. Expect it, don't be surprised by it. They think they know better, they don't realize they work for us, the think it is the other way 'round.

what does government people getting killed by foreigners have to do with government people oppressing the proletariat?


Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.
 
2013-05-06 07:43:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: SkinnyHead: "Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk last night who decided to kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make!"  ~ Hillary Clinton

Please enlighten us the difference it makes.  If we knew the exact motivation for the attacks it would do what exactly?


Well, in deciding how to respond to an attack on the compound, you would think it important for the administration to know the nature of the attack.  Hillary suggested two alternatives: (1) a protest or (2) guys out for a walk at night who decided to kill Americans.  If that was the threat assessment, that might explain why the Obama administration gave the stand down order.  Maybe they did not feel that a military response was necessary because the whole thing could have just been some guys out for a walk.
 
2013-05-06 07:43:57 PM  

randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Which most liberals do. They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected. Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.


So you're satisfied, right? You'll shut up now, right? Romney's on his way to claim his throne, your republican paradise is imminent. I know that was the whole point of this. Thank Kolob we'll finally have a TRUTHTELLER watching over this great Christian nation, right?
 
2013-05-06 07:44:25 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Not only that, but there were repeated smaller attacks on the building by known groups in the proceeding days, yet reports to DC about the growing threat and requests for further security were ignored and denied.


Which, as already has been stated, was NOT brought to the decision makers. Hillary tried to fire those people responsible and ran into the federal unions (of which I'm a part). She could not fire them and wanted to, i feel her pain. I'd love to fire some incompetent people we have. It's a long process and defends the weak at the expense of the good workers. She asked the very same Republican Congressman and Senators "I've asked you for a way to fire these people for failing in their job." They had no response.

I watched the hearings and read the reports. Obviously, because you care so much, you haven't.
 
2013-05-06 07:44:31 PM  

Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.

kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.


Hillary still is not going to sleep with you, no matter how much you try.
 
2013-05-06 07:45:04 PM  

doyner: SkinnyHead: "I can can tell you that immediately upon finding out that our folks were in danger, that my orders to my national security team were do whatever we need to do to make sure they're safe. And that's the same order I would give any time that I see Americans are in danger - whether they're civilian or military - because that's our number one priority." ~ Obama

And at what hour, exactly, was he told?


He was told at 630pm on Sept 11th.  Then went to bed to make sure he'd be up in time for his two fundraisers the next day.  He spent more time preparing for fundraisers than finding out what was going on during a terrorist attack against one of his diplomats.
 
2013-05-06 07:45:44 PM  

SkinnyHead: Well, in deciding how to respond to an attack on the compound, you would think it important for the administration to know the nature of the attack.


Small arms and mortar fire, probably some RPGs. Next.
 
2013-05-06 07:46:53 PM  

MyRandomName: He spent more time preparing for fundraisers than finding out what was going on during a terrorist attack against one of his diplomats.


Wow. You're on the White House Staff? I'm impressed!
 
2013-05-06 07:47:14 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.

kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.

Hillary still is not going to sleep with you, no matter how much you try.


ew.  why would anyone want that?
 
2013-05-06 07:47:17 PM  
Why did the GOP demand the consulate be stripped of security?

Why did they deny funding for consulate security?
 
2013-05-06 07:47:21 PM  

feckingmorons: It was a scandal then.


No.  Sorry.  Still not a scandal.

Back to the drawing board.
 
2013-05-06 07:48:13 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.


==

Preview of Tomorrow: A response team was sent to Benghazi; according to the State Department's report, "the seven-person response team from Embassy Tripoli ... arrived at the Annex about 0500 local. Less than fifteen minutes later, the Annex came under mortar and RPG attack, with five mortar rounds impacting close together in under 90 seconds." Hicks doesn't say that the CIA issued stand down orders, let alone twice. He says that a jet was never scrambled to fly over the city (which we knew) and that a second team, one that arrived too late, should have gotten there faster.

How is this an impeachable offense? Seriously, lay it all out for me. I'm all about the government pulling lots of shiat its not supposed to...that's nothing new to anyone who's studied American history. But where is the actual scandal here in this case? Solyndra made more sense than this.
 
2013-05-06 07:50:22 PM  

MyRandomName: doyner: SkinnyHead: "I can can tell you that immediately upon finding out that our folks were in danger, that my orders to my national security team were do whatever we need to do to make sure they're safe. And that's the same order I would give any time that I see Americans are in danger - whether they're civilian or military - because that's our number one priority." ~ Obama

And at what hour, exactly, was he told?

He was told at 630pm on Sept 11th.  Then went to bed to make sure he'd be up in time for his two fundraisers the next day.  He spent more time preparing for fundraisers than finding out what was going on during a terrorist attack against one of his diplomats.


What, precisely should he have been doing? Flying to Benghazi himself? FFS, he has an entire State and Justice department for that. Jesus Christ, the President of the United States does not have to drop everything and put on a superhero uniform every time an American dies.
 
2013-05-06 07:50:42 PM  

Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.

kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.

Hillary still is not going to sleep with you, no matter how much you try.

ew.  why would anyone want that?


Apparently cheesey missed the bajillion times you've expressed your dislike of Hillary over the past decade.
 
2013-05-06 07:51:47 PM  

Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Uh, an impeachable government due to it's deceit, lies and ineptitude? Just a guess.

==

Preview of Tomorrow: A response team was sent to Benghazi; according to the State Department's report, "the seven-person response team from Embassy Tripoli ... arrived at the Annex about 0500 local. Less than fifteen minutes later, the Annex came under mortar and RPG attack, with five mortar rounds impacting close together in under 90 seconds." Hicks doesn't say that the CIA issued stand down orders, let alone twice. He says that a jet was never scrambled to fly over the city (which we knew) and that a second team, one that arrived too late, should have gotten there faster.

How is this an impeachable offense? Seriously, lay it all out for me. I'm all about the government pulling lots of shiat its not supposed to...that's nothing new to anyone who's studied American history. But where is the actual scandal here in this case? Solyndra made more sense than this.


Ineptitude seems to be a common thread.  Let's go with that. More is coming.
 
2013-05-06 07:52:33 PM  

I Said: Let's say the GOP and their tinfoil brigade is correct: what was the motive again? Is it still that Obama is a muslim usurper?

What motive would the president have to, seemingly according to the right, withhold protection and drag their feet and laugh maniacally while the embassy was attacked?


As I said in one of the other dozen threads about this today:
Here's the bottom line of the whole Benghazi thang. What they want is for B. Hussein Obama to publicly state "this was the worst terrorist attack on American soil in history, and I am completely responsible for it. Not just 'responsible' in the sense that it happened during my administration, but personally responsible. I purposely planned for the attack to happen by allowing my Muslim Brothers easy access to the consulate. And I purposely prevented anyone from defending our brave citizens because I wanted al-Qaeda to kill Americans. Allhu akbar!"
 
2013-05-06 07:53:51 PM  

randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.


=

Actual Transcript of Rose Garden Remarks: "As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

What about this is a bald-faced lie? Point it out specifically and unambiguously.
 
2013-05-06 07:54:05 PM  

randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.


Citation needed. Again.

Which most liberals do.

C-  generic bullshiat generalization. You can do better young man.

They would rather have Obama, whose incompetence led to Benghazi

Because Barack Hussein Obango personally cut the State Department security budget, and ordered the staff of the Benghazi Consulate to abandon their posts and sit in the yard and chant Kumbaya, with pork chops around their necks. C+ no originality

, and who tried to cover it up and lie about it than face the possibility of him not getting reelected.

Pulled out of ass, D-.

Everything is justified so long as liberals keep the White House. Republicans can demonstrate, somehow, that Obango is a threat to Our Way Of Life.

This from the people who constantly prattle on about how Republicans put 'party before country'. As always you will know liberals by what they accuse others of.

Democrats asked for Republicans to stop the constant "Let's vote to repeal ObamaCare" votes, so this is what they have shifted to. Today. I'm sure when this mud fails to stick after 6 months or so, they'll go back to voting ObamaCare out again.

\I'm sure you still have those lawyers from the Whitewater investigation on payroll somewhere
\\send 'em to Chicago, and let 'em fish for dirt for a few years like you did the last time a D was in office
\\\my cousin's husband was one of them, and made damn good money chasing shadows for the government
 
2013-05-06 07:54:42 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.

kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.

Hillary still is not going to sleep with you, no matter how much you try.

ew.  why would anyone want that?

Apparently cheesey missed the bajillion times you've expressed your dislike of Hillary over the past decade.


I don't swim in this this cesspool on a regular basis, so maybe you got me there.
 
2013-05-06 07:54:59 PM  

Somacandra: How is this an impeachable offense?


If a Republican commits an impeachable offense, they must insist the following Democrat is impeachable in order to dilute the value of the accusation.
 
2013-05-06 07:55:36 PM  
If Republicans had behaved responsibly over the past 5 years instead of trolling for outrage, they could have quietly and constructively used this episode to improve security, and then credibly campaigned in 2016 that they take security more seriously than Democrats.

But instead they're so bent on sabotaging Obama (and Hillary in 2016) that they've lost all credibility.
 
2013-05-06 07:55:40 PM  

CheapEngineer: Democrats asked for Republicans to stop the constant "Let's vote to repeal ObamaCare" votes, so this is what they have shifted to.


Fear not!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/house-obamacare-repeal_n_32 10 603.html
 
2013-05-06 07:55:57 PM  

Somacandra: randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

=

Actual Transcript of Rose Garden Remarks: "As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

What about this is a bald-faced lie? Point it out specifically and unambiguously.


One could argue that this has occurred, but I'm just splitting hairs.  Ho hum.
 
2013-05-06 07:56:10 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ineptitude seems to be a common thread. Let's go with that. More is coming.


How is this "ineptitude" ? Lay it all out for me. Right here. That's an invitation.
 
2013-05-06 07:56:25 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Weaver95: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The lights are on and the roaches are scattering.

kind of a harsh characterization of the GOP but...ok.  if that's how you wanna play it.

Hillary still is not going to sleep with you, no matter how much you try.

ew.  why would anyone want that?

Apparently cheesey missed the bajillion times you've expressed your dislike of Hillary over the past decade.

I don't swim in this this cesspool on a regular basis, so maybe you got me there.


So you commit ad hominems out of ignorance? Doesn't sound like you're doing your side any favors, son.
 
2013-05-06 07:56:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: SkinnyHead: Well, in deciding how to respond to an attack on the compound, you would think it important for the administration to know the nature of the attack.

Small arms and mortar fire, probably some RPGs. Next.


Yes, but Hillary probably didn't anticipate that they would be so heavily armed.  Hillary believed that that attack was a spontaneous event, coming from either a protest group or guys out for a walk.  You don't expect guys going to a protest or out for a stroll to be carrying mortars and RPGs.
 
2013-05-06 07:57:14 PM  
It's kind of depressing that we elected such a Boy Scout like Obama that this is the most dirt they can pin to the guy. It's just so boring and lame. I want him doing lines of coke off Beyonce's ass in the Lincoln bedroom, or at the very least tweeting pictures of his balls on cherished American historical artifacts. That'd be a fun scandal, Obama tea bagging the Betsy Ross flag.
 
2013-05-06 07:58:33 PM  
Oh man, Obama's never going to get re-elected now.
 
2013-05-06 07:59:20 PM  
Oh, now I see. The GOP didn't get it's "October Surprise" for Obama 2012, but they might be able to drag down Hillary 2016.
 
2013-05-06 08:00:31 PM  

CheapEngineer: randomjsa: It was a scandal before unless you think it's a-ok for Obama to tell bald faced lies in order to cover his rear before the election.

Citation needed. Again.


Or the fact that it doesn't make any sense.

"I was going to vote to re-elect Barack Obama if the attack in Libya was motivated by an anti-Islamic video, but since it was actually motivated by just good ol' fashioned anti-Americanism, I'm not."

Who the fark thinks like that?
 
2013-05-06 08:00:55 PM  
Why was overseas consulate security funding reduced!?

O'BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT): Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have - think about this - 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

And we're talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you're in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.


OK, and so it's also Fartbama has his own private army in Iraq, eh?
 
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