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(Opposing Views)   San Francisco residents will no longer be allowed to urinate or defecate inside subway trains   (opposingviews.com) divider line 108
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2013-05-06 03:50:39 PM
There goes some of the local flavor -- in a manner of speaking.
 
2013-05-06 05:04:24 PM
I'd no idea that such acts were permissible on SF mass transit in the first place.
 
2013-05-06 05:16:23 PM
But they didn't say anything about ejaculating!!!
 
2013-05-06 05:26:21 PM
FUNFACT!  Before recreating himself and going on to wild success as John Denver, psychedelic prankster Bob Castro wrote the universally despised folk-anthemThank God, I'm A Trolley Pooper.
 
2013-05-06 05:36:07 PM
Only in San Francisco would there be a some people against this.

/well, maybe NYC, too
 
2013-05-06 05:36:21 PM
Well, there go my vacation plans...
 
2013-05-06 05:37:24 PM
Well now that it's illegal, that should solve the whole issue!
 
2013-05-06 05:38:16 PM
However, some BART customers are worried that police may use the new orders to overstep their bounds as was the case in the fatal police shooting of Oscar Grant on a train platform in 2009.

How does one "overstep [one's] bounds" when enforcing a rule that you can't take a piss or a shiat on a train? Did they shoot the guy because he was drinking a glass of water, which would have eventually caused him to have to take a piss?
 
2013-05-06 05:38:57 PM
Hey dnrtfa-tardmitter, it's not just residents.  Even tourists are to be thusly oppressed.

/glad I was able to check 'pee and poop on the BARFT" off my bucket list already.
 
2013-05-06 05:39:31 PM
Starting when?
 
2013-05-06 05:40:47 PM
Homeless have moved on from the subway (BART/Muni) and now just drop it on the escalators. I watched a guy in a full hazmat suit shoveling it out of a broken down escalator recently.

/shiatting you pants is still the preferred method though
//don't care about the drugs, they need to re-open the public toilets at the stations
 
2013-05-06 05:42:33 PM
Tough rules. If you get caught shiatting in a train or on a platform three times in 90 days, they have the power to officially ban you from the trains for 30 whole days! A dedicated serial shiatter will just find a new station for a month.

/Wrong on defecation. Wrong for America.
 
2013-05-06 05:43:02 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: serial shiatter


lulzy
 
2013-05-06 05:44:29 PM
Wonder if this applies to puking?  I felt bad for the guys who had to clean up the train after my brothers 21st in SF.
 
2013-05-06 05:44:55 PM
Only after they tell you that it's no longer acceptable do I find out that it previously was a-ok...
 
2013-05-06 05:45:18 PM
Are the platforms still fair game?
 
2013-05-06 05:45:51 PM
G... good?
 
2013-05-06 05:45:58 PM
Go ahead.  Take away the joy in my life.  See if I care.

At least I still have parking decks.
 
2013-05-06 05:47:04 PM

bk3k: Go ahead.  Take away the joy in my life.  See if I care.

At least I still have parking decks.


and playground merry-go-rounds.
 
2013-05-06 05:47:14 PM
Somehow I don't think this will stop the millions of homeless in SF that poop on the BART daily.
 
2013-05-06 05:47:42 PM

Jikankun: Somehow I don't think this will stop the millions of homeless in SF that poop on the BART daily.


New band name.
 
2013-05-06 05:47:44 PM
This wasn't already covered under, you know, shiatting in public?
 
2013-05-06 05:48:25 PM

SultanofSchwing: and playground merry-go-rounds.


And elevators.

/good times...
 
2013-05-06 05:50:00 PM

Jikankun: Somehow I don't think this will stop the millions of homeless in SF that poop on the BART daily.


Millions of homeless? That's a shiatload of poop!
 
2013-05-06 05:51:16 PM
thanks a lot, Obama
 
2013-05-06 05:53:50 PM

Zul the Magnificent: SultanofSchwing: and playground merry-go-rounds.

And elevators.

/good times...


Doggy doors and bird baths.
 
2013-05-06 05:56:13 PM
that clinches it, Mabel. we're buying a new battery for the Bug.

-- always impressed by the generous amount of public restrooms in NYC too (snark)
 
2013-05-06 05:56:18 PM

SultanofSchwing: Zul the Magnificent: SultanofSchwing: and playground merry-go-rounds.

And elevators.

/good times...

Doggy doors and bird baths.


In short:  Void Where Prohibited.
 
2013-05-06 05:56:59 PM

OgreMagi: Only in San Francisco would there be a some people against this.

/well, maybe NYC, too


No San Francisco resident is against the 'no pee/no poop' rule. The issue that some folks are up in arms about is that the Assembly Bill that codified punishments for urinating/defecating in the trains and in the stops also included a clause that can ban riders that have multiple arrest for political protests.

BART has a nasty habit of suppressing free speech within the stops and system. The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.
 
2013-05-06 05:58:06 PM
Don't use BART that much, but a comedian recently pointed out that it has upholstered seats. Think about that for a second - it really is disgusting. And I am practically the opposite of a germaphobe.
 
2013-05-06 05:58:33 PM

Zul the Magnificent: SultanofSchwing: Zul the Magnificent: SultanofSchwing: and playground merry-go-rounds.

And elevators.

/good times...

Doggy doors and bird baths.

In short:  Void Where Prohibited.


The world is my oyster toilet.
 
2013-05-06 06:02:10 PM
I rode BART just about every day for a couple of years and I never encountered anyone dropping a deuce. Different time (the late 90s) I guess.


RoyFokker'sGhost: BART has a nasty habit of suppressing free speech within the stops and system. The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.


And every time I suggest they do this in theaters or courtrooms I get someone telling me the FCC bans blocking cellphone signals. How does BART get away with it?

Also think all cars with a running motor should have cell signals blocked. Sick of almost getting hit by people driving with the noses in their farking phones.
 
2013-05-06 06:03:33 PM

Uzzah: However, some BART customers are worried that police may use the new orders to overstep their bounds as was the case in the fatal police shooting of Oscar Grant on a train platform in 2009.

How does one "overstep [one's] bounds" when enforcing a rule that you can't take a piss or a shiat on a train? Did they shoot the guy because he was drinking a glass of water, which would have eventually caused him to have to take a piss?


No connection, "Oscar Grant" is just their rallying cry whenever someone wants to oppose BART on... anything.

Jikankun: Somehow I don't think this will stop the millions of homeless in SF that poop on the BART daily.


That won't stop them from trying to legislate the problem away by outlawing the act itself, while simultaneously welcoming, accommodating, and generally encouraging the homeless on basically every other front, all in the name of tolerance and sanctuary, including having no plan whatsoever on what to do when arresting a homeless person. Just more feel-good, "look at me, I'm doing something!" governance.
 
2013-05-06 06:04:05 PM
Never actually seen anyone doing this on BART, but I sure have smelled it afterwards.

/pee smell makes me animal angry
 
2013-05-06 06:04:38 PM
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They have truly won, when a man can't shait and piss  where he pleases.
 
2013-05-06 06:05:24 PM

fusillade762: I rode BART just about every day for a couple of years and I never encountered anyone dropping a deuce. Different time (the late 90s) I guess.


I've ridden it daily for the last 10 years and have never seen any fecal matter or urine on a train. I've smelled piss on the platforms, but then again they closed the bathrooms after 9/11 for "Terrorism" reasons, so what's a guy to do?
 
2013-05-06 06:06:55 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: OgreMagi: Only in San Francisco would there be a some people against this.

/well, maybe NYC, too

No San Francisco resident is against the 'no pee/no poop' rule. The issue that some folks are up in arms about is that the Assembly Bill that codified punishments for urinating/defecating in the trains and in the stops also included a clause that can ban riders that have multiple arrest for political protests.

BART has a nasty habit of suppressing free speech within the stops and system. The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.


ah, yes. the occupy retards and their ilk shutting down civic center and other BART stops in the city during evening rush hour to show the bourgeois elites on BART (i.e. people who have jobs) that the will of the people should be respected.

I sure miss all that bull shiat.

/ and they closed the restrooms because terrorism!
 
2013-05-06 06:07:04 PM
RoyFokker'sGhost: ...The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.

Are you sure about that? I get cell reception at E M and P.
 
2013-05-06 06:09:13 PM

fusillade762: I rode BART just about every day for a couple of years and I never encountered anyone dropping a deuce. Different time (the late 90s) I guess.


RoyFokker'sGhost: BART has a nasty habit of suppressing free speech within the stops and system. The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.

And every time I suggest they do this in theaters or courtrooms I get someone telling me the FCC bans blocking cellphone signals. How does BART get away with it?

Also think all cars with a running motor should have cell signals blocked. Sick of almost getting hit by people driving with the noses in their farking phones.


'Public Safety' exemption, I believe. Creating crowded conditions via flash mobs can lead to overcrowding on the platforms, increasing the potential that someone could get hurt or killed by an incoming train.

At least, that's the excuse that I recall them using.
 
2013-05-06 06:09:37 PM
How has nobody pointed out the fact that there are no subways in San Francisco?
 
2013-05-06 06:10:24 PM

fusillade762: And every time I suggest they do this in theaters or courtrooms I get someone telling me the FCC bans blocking cellphone signals. How does BART get away with it?


Cell phones will work in a theatre without active interference. They don't work in an underground subway without assistance.

You can't legally block a signal, but you don't have to artificially boost one that otherwise wouldn't work. BART just turned off the repeater.
 
2013-05-06 06:11:31 PM

lostcat: Never actually seen anyone doing this on BART, but I sure have smelled it afterwards.

/pee smell makes me animal angry


you step on a normally crowded train, and you're all, "cool, a seat!"

and then you smell the hobo smell & realize why everyone is crammed on the other end of the car.

it's kind of a Zen moment.

/ ah, the delights of the city
 
2013-05-06 06:17:46 PM
Things must have gotten pretty scrubby to make this rule.
 
2013-05-06 06:25:31 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: OgreMagi: Only in San Francisco would there be a some people against this.

/well, maybe NYC, too

No San Francisco resident is against the 'no pee/no poop' rule. The issue that some folks are up in arms about is that the Assembly Bill that codified punishments for urinating/defecating in the trains and in the stops also included a clause that can ban riders that have multiple arrest for political protests.

BART has a nasty habit of suppressing free speech within the stops and system. The San Francisco stations still have *all* wifi and cell internet service blocked to curtail the Occupy Movement, which hasn't shown it's face in the City for about a year now, and disrupt 'flash protests' against BART police for assault or shooting incidents.


You mean the occupy movement that planned on keeping the trains from moving... planned every week for months on end? Great. I don't get to spend any time with my family on wednesdays, but you get to have your speech. What was the message there? To me your right to speech ends when you infringe on other's rights to happiness. Blocking the trains is closer to yelling fire in theaters than free speech anyway.  My happiness is getting home after an already long commute. Do Occupiers really have the right to take that away?
 
2013-05-06 06:25:33 PM

Bob Falfa: How has nobody pointed out the fact that there are no subways in San Francisco?


Because both the BART and Muni both go underground when in the city proper.
 
2013-05-06 06:26:38 PM

This text is now purple: fusillade762: And every time I suggest they do this in theaters or courtrooms I get someone telling me the FCC bans blocking cellphone signals. How does BART get away with it?

Cell phones will work in a theatre without active interference. They don't work in an underground subway without assistance.

You can't legally block a signal, but you don't have to artificially boost one that otherwise wouldn't work. BART just turned off the repeater.


Ah, makes sense. Thanks.


Bob Falfa: How has nobody pointed out the fact that there are no subways in San Francisco?


Pretty impressive that BART is able to make it across the Bay to Oakland, then.
 
2013-05-06 06:28:56 PM

Burning_Monk: Bob Falfa: How has nobody pointed out the fact that there are no subways in San Francisco?

Because both the BART and Muni both go underground when in the city proper.


Muni is mainly aboveground for most of its run, iirc.
 
2013-05-06 06:30:11 PM

Burning_Monk: Homeless have moved on from the subway (BART/Muni) and now just drop it on the escalators. I watched a guy in a full hazmat suit shoveling it out of a broken down escalator recently.

/shiatting you pants is still the preferred method though
//don't care about the drugs, they need to re-open the public toilets at the stations


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/broken-bart-escalators-poop _n _1706716.html

Never thought the BART elevators might be cleaner than the escalators....
 
2013-05-06 06:34:12 PM

fusillade762: Burning_Monk: Bob Falfa: How has nobody pointed out the fact that there are no subways in San Francisco?

Because both the BART and Muni both go underground when in the city proper.

Muni is mainly aboveground for most of its run, iirc.


It's underground from Downtown close to the middle of the city.
 
2013-05-06 06:34:27 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: Burning_Monk: Homeless have moved on from the subway (BART/Muni) and now just drop it on the escalators. I watched a guy in a full hazmat suit shoveling it out of a broken down escalator recently.

/shiatting you pants is still the preferred method though
//don't care about the drugs, they need to re-open the public toilets at the stations

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/broken-bart-escalators-poop _n _1706716.html

Never thought the BART elevators might be cleaner than the escalators....


bahahahaha, oh god...just imagining a turd going through the grills on an escalator...that must be horrifying.
 
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