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(C|Net)   Adobe officially kills Creative Suite in favor of $50 a month cloud suite   (news.cnet.com ) divider line
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2013-05-06 03:30:04 PM  
Customers "overwhelmingly" prefer it.

citation needed
 
2013-05-06 03:46:34 PM  
Iran and North Korea won't be happy at all.
 
2013-05-06 03:49:21 PM  
wellbye.jpg
 
2013-05-06 04:05:43 PM  
I'm still pissed at the migration of my image sharing cloud from Adobe to Revel.  The latter sucks dicks in Hell.
 
2013-05-06 04:46:26 PM  
And it's only $50 if you sign up for a year's commitment. $75 if you go month-by-month. Guess I'll be hanging on to my CS3 disks for a long while.
 
2013-05-06 04:54:22 PM  
What Einstein thought this up? No really, I don't want to be held hostage and have my work stall because of someone else's bandwidth issues.
 
2013-05-06 05:06:16 PM  
I bet it still installs farking Bridge without asking you

and makes it impossible to remove
 
2013-05-06 05:18:51 PM  
Glad I have my copy of CS6....still haven't gotten to the point I enter photoshop contests.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-06 05:21:10 PM  
It's not stupid, it's a great business plan. Now they have companies hostage. Instead of "pay $X to upgrade or you keep what you have" it's "pay $X to renew or we take away what you have."
 
2013-05-06 05:23:21 PM  
Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?
 
2013-05-06 05:25:21 PM  

T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?


$600.00 a year every year is a definite downfall IMHO
 
2013-05-06 05:26:41 PM  

ZAZ: It's not stupid, it's a great business plan. Now they have companies hostage. Instead of "pay $X to upgrade or you keep what you have" it's "pay $X to renew or we take away what you have."


Exactly. Which is why I won't be subscribing. I advise people to get a hold of CS6 while they can and not look back.
 
2013-05-06 05:26:42 PM  

T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?


Will still be the most pirated thing on the Internet.
 
2013-05-06 05:26:57 PM  
I guess its time for a class action lawsuit, and/or have the feds check them for a monopolistic practices.
 
2013-05-06 05:27:28 PM  
Fark it all.
I was hoping my company would eventually standardize who had what Creative Suite, with the 1 and 3 and 5 and 5.5 strewn about the company making nearly everything have to be compatible with 1 or someone whines...
But not like this...
I'm sure someone will have the brilliant idea that this will make everything work better and then turn around to wonder where all this money is disappearing to.

Copyright law needs a little tweaking. If you actively refuse to produce something, you lose the copyright. Disney vault can go fark itself.
 
2013-05-06 05:28:28 PM  
great, instead of taking 50 minutes to spin up this'll take 25 minutes.
 
2013-05-06 05:29:06 PM  
If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.
 
2013-05-06 05:29:31 PM  

T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?


There's the whole offline access thing.
 
2013-05-06 05:29:49 PM  
In other news, the forthcoming pirate version of CS7 will be delayed by an extra 20 minutes while they repack a licensed install into a .msi and use a hex editor to remove the online activation.
 
2013-05-06 05:30:00 PM  

T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?


It's another step in the direction of not owning your software, merely being "allowed" to use it. I'll be able to install and use CS5 forever.
 
2013-05-06 05:30:02 PM  

coolcashiat77: I guess its time for a class action lawsuit, and/or have the feds check them for a monopolistic practices.


wat
 
2013-05-06 05:30:43 PM  
For that kind of dough per month, they damn well better spill this on their servers:

elitechoice.org
 
2013-05-06 05:31:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?

$600.00 a year every year is a definite downfall IMHO


I actually ran all the number last month. The fact is that if one is (a) a commercial user and (b) upgraded every two years anyway to the next creative suite then (c) the money is the same. The people who get hurt are those who (a) like to buy a suite and then not upgrade on a regular basis and (b) students because the student discount is a lot less with the cloud service.
 
2013-05-06 05:32:59 PM  
Why would I want to pay a monthly subscription to join the Iranian military? Sheesh.
 
2013-05-06 05:36:40 PM  

little big man: If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.


This. It has been a godsend for me at work because it is MUCH easier to get a $50 per month expense approved compared to a getting $2400 signed off on. I've been using most of the key apps, so we've been getting our money's worth.
 
2013-05-06 05:36:48 PM  
Ug.

We use one Adobe product: Captivate. We bought the monthly sub because, quite frankly, it ain't worth the dough otherwise.

Their subscription service is a mess. There's no such thing as a corporate account, so everybody has to make their own personal account, and they're not tied together in any way.  Billing is a huge PITA because they only accept CCs and they totally freak out if you use someone else's CC even if you enter the CVV and the shipping/billing addresses are the same.

Support is dreadful.  Even buying the damned thing is a huge PITA because if your situation is anything beyond the norm you need to phone customer support and holy shiat...  even their automated system is totally broken.  I ended up talking to some idiot in India for 30 minutes, but he didn't know the answer.  I did the chat and after 30 minutes of that (and me being very, very mean) I finally got an answer to my question.  I can't even imagine what'll happen when large companies bring the hammer down on these dummies.

It's typical Adobe.  Run by a bunch of total farking morons.
 
2013-05-06 05:36:50 PM  
Dumb for us photogs who don't always have high speed connections when out in the field.  Looks like I'm staying with CS5 until Adobe of Microsoft make that impossible.
 
2013-05-06 05:38:50 PM  
It's not that surprising. A bunch of companies are trying to make the transition to SaaS. Sure, you lose the fat up-front license fees, but your recurring revenue more than makes up for it.
 
2013-05-06 05:39:29 PM  
Well, this is what happens when rampant piracy occurs and craters all their consumer profits.  You did this, reap what you sow.  Meanwhile, I won't be surprised if they offer some sort of 'lite' or 'student' version to keep providing kids with the opportunity to get addicted.  After all, what are they going to turn to, gimp?  hahaha.


qorkfiend: T.rex: Well. i'd imagine software pirates won't like it... but for paying customers, i can't think of a downfall, can you?

There's the whole offline access thing.


Unlike EA, their offline mode seems to even make Steam's look draconian, which is weird to me.  Am I taking crazy pills?

If I am "offline" (no internet accessibility) is it true that in as little as 7 days all of my Cloud licensed applications will be revoked even if my Monthly subscription is up to date?
No.  Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.  You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days.  However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline.
 
2013-05-06 05:41:09 PM  
This s going to be grand. The govt agency I work for can't even be bothered to think that maintenance on the workgorup printers is worth doing. There is no way they are going to be able to push thru a $50 charge  per month for SW subscription.
 
2013-05-06 05:44:02 PM  
Handy conversion guide for free graphics suite replacements

Adobe Illustrator   -> switch to Inkscape   http://inkscape.org/
Adobe Photoshop -> switch to GIMP   http://www.gimp.org/
Adobe Indesign    -> switch to Scribus  http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus
Adobe Dreamweaver -> switch to SeaMonkey  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

fark Adobe right in their stupid asses...
 
2013-05-06 05:44:34 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

yo dawg, i heard you liked ms paint ....
 
2013-05-06 05:45:12 PM  
I am probably going to get much hate for this, but I am a subscriber. I like not having to worry about if I qualify for an upgrade or not, they are all mine. Plus it has been cool playing with applications I never knew existed like Audition which I get access to now as part of my membership but would never buy.

I guess it will infuriate pirates too, which is always a bonus.
 
2013-05-06 05:46:12 PM  

worlddan: I actually ran all the number last month. The fact is that if one is (a) a commercial user and (b) upgraded every two years anyway to the next creative suite then (c) the money is the same. The people who get hurt are those who (a) like to buy a suite and then not upgrade on a regular basis and (b) students because the student discount is a lot less with the cloud service.


Break even between the two is 12 years

/Initial purchase of the CS is $2400, one upgrade is $800,  upgrade happens once every 2 years, VS  $600 a year for the Cloud version
//Just pointing out, for the sake of argument
 
2013-05-06 05:46:48 PM  
Best news CorelCorp has had all day!!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-06 05:48:12 PM  
After all, what are they going to turn to, gimp? hahaha.

Supposedly gimp has started to support more than 8 bit layers, meaning failure to work with my camera is a bug rather than a feature. Not holding my breath.
 
2013-05-06 05:48:48 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Well, this is what happens when rampant piracy occurs and craters all their consumer profits.  You did this, reap what you sow.  Meanwhile, I won't be surprised if they offer some sort of 'lite' or 'student' version to keep providing kids with the opportunity to get addicted.  After all, what are they going to turn to, gimp?  hahaha.


I pretty strongly suspect that the work being done with 80% of the Photoshop and Dreamweaver installs in the world could be done with Paint.net or Photoshop Elements and Kompozer.
 
2013-05-06 05:49:18 PM  

llevrok: Dumb for us photogs who don't always have high speed connections when out in the field.  Looks like I'm staying with CS5 until Adobe of Microsoft make that impossible.


You don't need to be online for it to work, as BumpInTheNight pointed out, you only need to connect once every 180 days if you buy a year's subscription at a time
 
2013-05-06 05:52:43 PM  
Are there really people who can justify spending $1200 for a one-off purchase but not $50/month? I'm guessing most of the people complaining probably pirated it in the first place, and just want something new to whine about.
 
2013-05-06 05:55:22 PM  
Last version of Photoshop I'll ever own.

Sorry Adobe, I purchase software, I don't lease it.
 
2013-05-06 05:56:22 PM  
They want to market this to "enterprise customers" they are fooling themselves. I'll tell you what their largest customer
base really is. It's small to large commercial printers and independent designers and maybe the government. They are shooting themselves in the foot if they think for
an instant that a small printshop or an independent designer has available funds for that on an ongoing basis. Adobe's share price has already fallen 1.11 percent after this announcement.
 
2013-05-06 05:57:20 PM  
99.99% of non-professional image-altering can be done with Paint.Net.
 
2013-05-06 06:02:08 PM  
AUUUGHHH!!  SERIOUSLY????   No wonder most artists starve to death.
 
2013-05-06 06:02:50 PM  
Oh I forgot to add that the shops I've worked in keep the same version for at least 3 years and usually skip one version before
upgrading. Most of the changes Adobe have made from version to version have not been groundbreaking earth shattering enhancements
but more like user interface changes, interoperability enhancements and bug fixes. Whoop de farking do.
 
2013-05-06 06:03:42 PM  

MrEricSir: Are there really people who can justify spending $1200 for a one-off purchase but not $50/month? I'm guessing most of the people complaining probably pirated it in the first place, and just want something new to whine about.


The PS only subscription is "only" $19.95/month. Or about $240 a year. Slightly more than the 1 off purchase upgrade of $199/year, a move they made just last year. So, spend more to get the same upgrade path.

Sticking with PS 6 for a very very long time.
 
2013-05-06 06:03:47 PM  

MrEricSir: Are there really people who can justify spending $1200 for a one-off purchase but not $50/month? I'm guessing most of the people complaining probably pirated it in the first place, and just want something new to whine about.


At $1200 you'd be saving $50 a month after 2 years. Assuming you don't want to upgrade all the time. This is also assuming that Adobe keeps the price static. Forever.
 
2013-05-06 06:04:15 PM  

little big man: If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.


For the short term, it's a good value.  But if you look in the long term (10 years), you'll end up paying more and continue to do so.  You also don't have the luxury of canceling and still being able to do anything with your files (as you would with an EOL version that you keep forever).
 
2013-05-06 06:10:03 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: little big man: If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.

For the short term, it's a good value.  But if you look in the long term (10 years), you'll end up paying more and continue to do so.  You also don't have the luxury of canceling and still being able to do anything with your files (as you would with an EOL version that you keep forever).


Step 1: Create proprietary file format
Step 2: Sell the software for a nominal fee or let software get stollen
Step 3: Change from Selling the software to licensing it online monthly
Step 4: Profit as no one who doesn't pay the online fee can open their documents any longer.
 
2013-05-06 06:17:12 PM  

farker99: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: little big man: If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.

For the short term, it's a good value.  But if you look in the long term (10 years), you'll end up paying more and continue to do so.  You also don't have the luxury of canceling and still being able to do anything with your files (as you would with an EOL version that you keep forever).

Step 1: Create proprietary file format
Step 2: Sell the software for a nominal fee or let software get stollen
Step 3: Change from Selling the software to licensing it online monthly
Step 4: Profit as no one who doesn't pay the online fee can open their documents any longer.


I think you left out step 3.5 customers don't fall for it and stay with the CD based versions they already have. Making sure they always have access to their files.
 
2013-05-06 06:22:14 PM  

sparkeyjames: farker99: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: little big man: If you use a lot of different Adobe apps and upgrade for new features (Camera Raw, I'm talking about you), it's not bad.  Imagine paying $2400 for the CS Master Collection and then an $800 upgrade every two years to stay current.

If you use just one app and don't want to upgrade, then yes, you'll be on CS4 for awhile.

For the short term, it's a good value.  But if you look in the long term (10 years), you'll end up paying more and continue to do so.  You also don't have the luxury of canceling and still being able to do anything with your files (as you would with an EOL version that you keep forever).

Step 1: Create proprietary file format
Step 2: Sell the software for a nominal fee or let software get stollen
Step 3: Change from Selling the software to licensing it online monthly
Step 4: Profit as no one who doesn't pay the online fee can open their documents any longer.

I think you left out step 3.5 customers don't fall for it and stay with the CD based versions they already have. Making sure they always have access to their files.


Or "Pirates keep their pirated versions of previous iterations of the software." or "Pirates strip your DRM and re-distribute it for free among the customers you've angered."
 
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