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(The Hill)   North Korea is ratcheting back rhetoric again after seeing all those non-nuclear drama-queen states getting all attention   (thehill.com) divider line 56
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2013-05-06 01:55:52 PM
I told y'all it was another bluff.
 
2013-05-06 01:57:33 PM
Wow... bet no one saw that coming

/the Jong remains the same
 
2013-05-06 02:18:22 PM
Oh they haven't said anything provocative in the last week? They must have stopped being crazy.  That's a relief.
 
2013-05-06 02:20:28 PM
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2013-05-06 02:25:13 PM

make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.


Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.
 
2013-05-06 02:27:10 PM
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Ratched UP

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Ratched BACK
 
2013-05-06 02:27:30 PM
I wasn't taking any of this seriously until I heard that Cheap Trick cancelled some dates in Japan. They never cancel tour dates (couple of times a tornado has blown them off the stage, though).
 
2013-05-06 02:28:51 PM

sallys: I wasn't taking any of this seriously until I heard that Cheap Trick cancelled some dates in Japan. They never cancel tour dates (couple of times a tornado has blown them off the stage, though).


That's because cancellations are expensive.
 
2013-05-06 02:30:51 PM
Wow I did not see that coming. I mean EVERY year during the joint exercise Korea ratchets up rhetoric. And every year they ratchet it back down when the exercises are over. But huh. I did NOT see this coming.
 
2013-05-06 02:34:20 PM

nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.


No it wasn't difficult to predict, but it didn't stop people from getting all askeered anyway...
 
2013-05-06 02:36:00 PM

nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.


Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.
 
2013-05-06 02:40:42 PM
Most tourist destinations make for a summer of overcrowded, smelly atmosphere, busy people, and inedible food.

Hats off for Best Korea for leaving the average tourist less stressed without any hint of overcrowding.
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-06 02:42:44 PM

make me some tea: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

No it wasn't difficult to predict, but it didn't stop people from getting all askeered anyway...


Well, it's not unwarranted to be a bit nervous about them, especially if you're in Worst Korea.  Here in the USA I can safely LOL at them, but I'd probably feel a lot different if I were in Seoul when the tensions were high.  Of course, given that this cycle constantly repeats itself, maybe they're used to it by now.  One of these days, with tensions so high, something is going to happen that can not unhappen.  Or it won't and we'll have another 6 decades of the brood of the eternal President and hero of the Juche idea for workers paradise!  The thought of war is horrifying, but so is the status quo.  Nothing to envy.
 
2013-05-06 02:43:23 PM

iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.


Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways.
 
2013-05-06 02:43:32 PM

iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.


Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...
 
2013-05-06 02:45:02 PM

FatherChaos: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways.


Sweeet...
 
2013-05-06 02:46:24 PM
I don't think this is a proper use of the word "ratcheting".
 
2013-05-06 02:48:57 PM

PanicMan: I don't think this is a proper use of the word "ratcheting".


Actually, it is ratcheting in the way magicians (oh sorry Mr. Randi, CONJURERS) use in tricks. If this is just one big scamola to get food or whatever, in that sense the word fits.
 
2013-05-06 02:49:21 PM

PanicMan: I don't think this is a proper use of the word "ratcheting".


correct, it should be de-ratchified
 
2013-05-06 02:49:58 PM

DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...


I find your lack of pants disturbing.
 
2013-05-06 02:53:44 PM
It's almost as though the Best Koreans have media consultants. They kept spiralling up the threats and rhetoric, knowing that the world was watching, and they didn't want to lose the game of chicken. That would've been humiliating. But the minute the world's attention gets diverted by Boston, they shut up and dialed it back to DefCon 3. Uncanny.
 
2013-05-06 02:57:50 PM
Aw man... now the headline makes even less sense. It was working for me before, what with everything that comes out of Best Leader's mouth being pretty much the opposite of reality.
 
2013-05-06 03:08:19 PM

stevejovi: It's almost as though the Best Koreans have media consultants. They kept spiralling up the threats and rhetoric, knowing that the world was watching, and they didn't want to lose the game of chicken. That would've been humiliating. But the minute the world's attention gets diverted by Boston, they shut up and dialed it back to DefCon 3. Uncanny.


But that sort of thing inhibits future credibility.  Probably why neither worst Korea nor Obama blinked even once.  Perhaps the days of pitching a tantrum and getting food aid to STFU are at an end?  What's their next act, then?
 
2013-05-06 03:12:54 PM

DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...


Vader, release him!
 
2013-05-06 03:13:19 PM

nekom: Well, it's not unwarranted to be a bit nervous about them, especially if you're in Worst Korea.  Here in the USA I can safely LOL at them, but I'd probably feel a lot different if I were in Seoul when the tensions were high.  Of course, given that this cycle constantly repeats itself, maybe they're used to it by now.  One of these days, with tensions so high, something is going to happen that can not unhappen.  Or it won't and we'll have another 6 decades of the brood of the eternal President and hero of the Juche idea for workers paradise!  The thought of war is horrifying, but so is the status quo.  Nothing to envy.


I think that there were more folks in the US rattled about it than in SK. A South Korean told me that himself.
 
2013-05-06 03:16:56 PM
Remember when April 15 came and went and no one said a goddamn thing about Korea? That was messed up, media.
 
2013-05-06 03:21:40 PM

make me some tea: I think that there were more folks in the US rattled about it than in SK. A South Korean told me that himself.


I have some friends living in Seoul right now; they're certainly not lacking in concern...
 
2013-05-06 03:28:18 PM

nekom: make me some tea: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Well, it's not unwarranted to be a bit nervous about them, especially if you're in Worst Korea.  Here in the USA I can safely LOL at them...


make me some tea:

I think that there were more folks in the US rattled about it than in SK. A South Korean told me that himself.

make me some tea is correct. Mind you my South Korean wife who was HERE in the U.S. was all worked up but her family back home were giving it all a big ol' meh.
 
2013-05-06 03:37:20 PM

stevejovi: It's almost as though the Best Koreans have media consultants. They kept spiralling up the threats and rhetoric, knowing that the world was watching, and they didn't want to lose the game of chicken. That would've been humiliating. But the minute the world's attention gets diverted by Boston, they shut up and dialed it back to DefCon 3. Uncanny.


I suspect the reality is different to a small degree.  I have heard that younger Kim still hasn't fully secured his position with the high-level politicos.  He needs to show strength, and one way to do that would be to provoke an international response to his actions and possibly even gain international concessions.  I suspect he miscalculated though, given that he's basically just a thirty year old rich-boy of middling intelligence, and was happy enough to dial it all back when the US/SK war games ended and international eyes were drawn to other crises.

Lord_Dubu: Wow I did not see that coming. I mean EVERY year during the joint exercise Korea ratchets up rhetoric. And every year they ratchet it back down when the exercises are over. But huh. I did NOT see this coming.


You have to admit, though, this year was different.  They always threaten to cleanse the land with the fire of the people etc. etc., but they very rarely take the added steps of readying artillery  advising embassies to evacuate, or formally tearing up the armistice. So sure, the safe money was definitely on this being a bluff, but the dark horse of full-scale war on the Korean peninsula was at least plausible this time.
 
2013-05-06 03:44:25 PM
Right, now all we need to do is to keep rodman the hell out of there
 
2013-05-06 03:46:30 PM
Nuuu:

You have to admit, though, this year was different.  They always threaten to cleanse the land with the fire of the people etc. etc., but they very rarely take the added steps of readying artillery  advising embassies to evacuate, or formally tearing up the armistice. So sure, the safe money was definitely on this being a bluff, but the dark horse of full-scale war on the Korean peninsula was at least plausible this time.

I hear you. And yes. There were factors in play this time around that hadn't been before (i.e. a hard nosed conservative with a political legacy elected as the first woman president, a green newb 20-something mouth breather son of the former saber rattler) But seriously, are any of the things you mentioned more aggressive than sinking ships or bombing civilian islands? We've seen it get much much worse.
 
2013-05-06 03:47:38 PM
DOOM 3
 
2013-05-06 03:52:06 PM
China took North Korea aside and gave it a little talking to.

Dim Fool Son! You want a war with the US? A country that could bring down your electrical grid by sneaking into your bathrooms and turning on some 30-Watt light bulbs? You sick! You stupid! You shut up now and make nice or we sneak into your bathrooms and stuff the hole in the floor with dead cats!
 
2013-05-06 03:52:39 PM

texdent: DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...

Vader, release him!


As you wish.
 
2013-05-06 03:59:29 PM

Starhawk: texdent: DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...

Vader, release him!

As you wish.


www.orgonebox.org
 
2013-05-06 03:59:55 PM

Starhawk: texdent: DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...

Vader, release him!

As you wish.


Omg! WESLEY!!
 
2013-05-06 04:03:02 PM

BigLuca: Starhawk: texdent: DORMAMU: iheartscotch: nekom: make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.

Don't be too proud, it wasn't a terribly difficult thing to predict.

/I suspect the higher ups know full well that a war is the end of them.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror that you've built. The power to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force.

Vader please.. you'r sad devotion to that outdated religion hasn't helped you find the stolen data plans nor the location of the secret.. rebel... bagythbgghhjjuuyfff...

Vader, release him!

As you wish.


Wow. Twice now, on the same minute, posting the same idea as someone else.

Is it still a simulpost if it same thing just done differently?

/curse you
//like minds
 
2013-05-06 04:08:45 PM
DORMAMU:
Wow. Twice now, on the same minute, posting the same idea as someone else.

Is it still a simulpost if it same thing just done differently?

/curse you
//like minds


It was a fraternal simulpost.
 
2013-05-06 04:18:52 PM

make me some tea: I told y'all it was another bluff.


Or, if you will, bruff.
 
2013-05-06 04:24:13 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-06 04:35:51 PM
nekom: "What's their next act, then?"

Capitulation in exchange for immunity?
If they're truly incapable of even feeding the loyalists without the 'extra' food aid, and the UN holds the line, the only choice is to finally bargain in good faith.
(To fight is to die at the hands of the US/SK/JP/et al. To maintain the status quo is to die at the hands of the inevitable coup/uprising.)

/ Normally "loot and run" is an option, but I don't think there's enough of value to sustain all the guilty parties
// So maybe the top-tier loots-and-runs, but there'll be plenty of power structure left with the same choices.
 
2013-05-06 04:40:17 PM
I'm starting to think our media is nearly as propaganda filled as DPRK's
 
2013-05-06 04:41:22 PM
Who has time to worry about NK when my neighbors about to start printing guns in their game room for one and done political asassinations?!?!?!!?
 
2013-05-06 04:44:46 PM

Lord_Dubu: I hear you. And yes. There were factors in play this time around that hadn't been before (i.e. a hard nosed conservative with a political legacy elected as the first woman president, a green newb 20-something mouth breather son of the former saber rattler) But seriously, are any of the things you mentioned more aggressive than sinking ships or bombing civilian islands? We've seen it get much much worse.


The impression I get from the ship sinking and island bombing is that those were off the cuff incidents, or at the very least they did not occur with the appropriate seal of approval from the top of the command chain.  So while killing sailors or civilians is a frightening and terrible thing, and it can increase tension, it can't start a war in itself if the troops and the weapons aren't in position to start "phase 2."  Putting troops and artillery into position isn't as flashy and doesn't have the body count of a small skirmish, but it is exactly what you would expect to see before the outbreak of full scale war (or a particularly daring and poorly conceived bluff, as it happened this time).

Here's my fear, in the long run.  Young Kim has inherited a huge mess and does not have the resources to pull his country out of it.  He may come to realize that there are only two options to save NK: what amounts to a full buy-out from China, essentially becoming a satellite state; or capturing the resources of the South to save the North.  Korean Juche won't let them basically give themselves over to China, and that means that Kim will have to pursue reunification before NK starves itself into anarchy.   Since South Korea understands that reunification would basically just be a massive money pit for them that would drag on for decades or centuries, they're not going to do it unless Kim gives them no choice.  One day, he will give them no choice.
 
2013-05-06 05:07:45 PM

nekom: But that sort of thing inhibits future credibility. Probably why neither worst Korea nor Obama blinked even once. Perhaps the days of pitching a tantrum and getting food aid to STFU are at an end? What's their next act, then?


More of the same, actually. The whole reason they have nukes is to trade them for food aid. The US knows it, and is going to keep indulging them. Nobody blinks at their rhetoric, because their rhetoric isn't for us; it's for North Koreans.
 
2013-05-06 05:10:39 PM
Same as before, with the noted exception of the loss of the industrial complex cash cow. I wonder how that income compares to Chinese aid..
 
2013-05-06 05:36:37 PM

quansem: Same as before, with the noted exception of the loss of the industrial complex cash cow. I wonder how that income compares to Chinese aid..


Maybe the Norks will get some Chinese companies to run Kaesong after they sieze it.
 
2013-05-06 05:38:52 PM
They were still stirring the pot?  I hadn't heard anything in a couple of weeks, so I just assumed he'd stopped waving his Jong around.
 
2013-05-06 07:37:27 PM
The problem with ratcheting up rhetoric like this is that each time you need more bombast and outrage to get back to the same level of food aid and Dear Leader seems to be burning through the international vocabulary of sh*t disturbing at record pace. At some point there will be no more "fighting words" or "menacing actions" left for him. NK has already torn up the cease fire, cut the phone line, threatened to nuke the US mainland, positioned troops for an invasion and consulted Dennis Rodman. Where do you go from there?

Token efforts aside we seem to be pretty much ignoring them. Dear Leader cant muster enough street cred to be a jail house biatch. It is concerning that action may become unavoidable now that the game of brinksmanship has been so thoroughly played out.
 
2013-05-06 08:03:45 PM
Translation: The new Chinese president finally took time out of arranging his schedule to call Kim and explain why this would be a bad idea.
 
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