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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates: The iPad is "frustrating" and should be more like the Microsoft Surface   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 27
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2013-05-06 01:47:57 PM
3 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


I'd like it better if it had MS Office.  Or expandable memory.  Or an HDMI port.  Or any port, really..
2013-05-06 02:43:55 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: [www.spectrecollie.com image 600x329]
What people frustrated with a tablet may look like.


It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

Apple tablet. You do things like this on it in real life.

cdn.ithinkdiff.com

Samsung tablet. You do things like this on it in real life.

sammyhub.com

Windows tablet? F***ING DANCE OFF, MUTHAF***ERS, UP IN UR GRILLZ.

www.theplace.org.uk
2013-05-06 02:34:33 PM
2 votes:

Majick Thise: If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.

Plenty of Bluetooth keyboards out there that will work with my iPad. I have never needed one though.. any doc I create on a mobile device is usually short and not mission critical so the onscreen keyboard is fine


When I originally bought an iPad I discovered what millions have also discovered - you don't need MS Office.  And that is what has Microsoft running scared.
2013-05-06 01:53:12 PM
2 votes:
Well I for one am shocked, SHOCKED I SAY, that a person who's company is in direct competition with Apple would say they don't like Apple products.
2013-05-06 01:40:24 PM
2 votes:
Well, I do think that there's plenty to find frustrating about iPads and iPhones, I'm not sure that making them more like surface is the answer...
2013-05-07 09:53:37 AM
1 votes:

SirHolo: The problem is the lab manager, who is the only one with admin privileges (and the only one with access to turn AutoUpdate off).


Fair enough. But if you knew that, why blame the software maker for someone's inability to configure and use it correctly?

Don't misunderstand, There a zillion reasons to biatch about Microsoft (or any software maker, really) but that was a very poor example.
2013-05-06 08:11:02 PM
1 votes:

SirHolo: Yes, of course. But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap. The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources. Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine. It's invisible to everyone else on the network. That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.



All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates. And you blame Microsoft for your failure to take even the most basic configuration steps (it even asks you how you want it set up when you install). You don't want the IT "weenies" to touch your stuff, and you proudly announce your inability to manage even the most basic IT tasks. I bet you hold the power button to turn off your workstation when you go home at night. Or do you just unplug it while running? No doubt you have a deep and thurough understanding of subatomic particles or microbiology or whatever, but you are clearly utterly unqualified to discuss computing devices.

There is a problem in you incredibly expensive and time wasting example. But the problem is you.
2013-05-06 05:34:25 PM
1 votes:
Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants.  Perhaps I am unreasonable.
2013-05-06 05:29:37 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: PC LOAD LETTER: Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.

You should stop using Flash immediately.


Flash is a memory- and battery-hog.  It destroys a mobile device's battery life.  And on my laptop, it soaks up tons of memory for no reason.

Flash was fine before HTML5, but now is the time for it to die.
2013-05-06 05:16:39 PM
1 votes:

derpy: So what the hell is it, besides an expensive way to play angry birds?


It's a dedicated console for making purchases and viewing content from Apple.
2013-05-06 05:07:00 PM
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Best tablet deal out there right now is the Nook HD or HD+. Both are on sale right now, and B&N caved and added Google Playstore.


I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support. It's a no-name device but its hardware specs are very similar to a Nexus 7 and the screen is comparable to my Motorola Xoom (decent but not spectacular).  I like to suggest those as a compromise for the person who thinks that a $100 Coby tablet with no Google Play support that they got from Big Lots is a good idea.
2013-05-06 04:54:01 PM
1 votes:
Best tablet deal out there right now is the Nook HD or HD+. Both are on sale right now, and B&N caved and added Google Playstore.
2013-05-06 04:05:44 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"

And why was Apple using look at us! Dancing! Catchy music!  in their ads?

Because, I don't know, they had a better underlying message because their device was about dancing and catchy music?

Holy fark, this thread took a sharp left turn. I'm sorry I ever confused the four of you by saying I agreed with Shaggy. Clearly, that was a mistake.


Apple weren't using dancing to your music with earphones in to get people to notice what their product is. That IS what that product is.

www.mobileapples.com

The white headphones are a bit of a giveaway.
2013-05-06 03:35:09 PM
1 votes:

mayIFark: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

Don't use one right now, so I might be a bit back dated in my criticism (meaning some of them might have been fixed), but here were my problems with ipad:

1) No flash on the camera - would add about $0.05 extra cost to them. why leave it out? Why bother with a camera if you don't want to bother with a flash?
2) No port of any kind.
3) No expandable memory slot
4) Too damn expensive
5) No flash support
6) No firefox (if I remember correctly, there is no 'find' function on safari)
7) No way to turn off components to save battery
8) And the usual complains about all apple products like too restrictive, treating users like idiots, iTunes and so on




Maddox did a piece about the camera on an iPad.

And it's why having a flash on an iPad is like having an ashtray on a motorcycle.

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
2013-05-06 03:26:57 PM
1 votes:

akula: mayIFark: RexTalionis: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

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There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

Interesting, but given its apple related product, how much does it cost? $59.99?

The adapters aren't cheap (depending on the adapter, anywhere from $30-60ish, IIRC), but they help slim down the packaging of the device. You can get off brand ones but those have iffy experiences. I have the VGA and the HDMI cables for my iOS stuff. Makes it really easy to pop a movie onto a larger screen if I like. They also make presentations from a tablet a breeze- don't need a full size computer, just connect to the display, load the presentation app, and away you go.


You can also connect wireless to an AppleTV to do presentations.  Using AirPlay.
2013-05-06 03:24:57 PM
1 votes:

dickfreckle: Lucky LaRue: Or expandable memory.

This has always been a beef with me. Every Android device I've owned had a microSD slot so I didn't have to constantly shuffle my media and other data to avoid running out of space. It's such a simple farking way to let the consumer have a little more freedom with their device. How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


The UI paradigm on iOS doesn't present files or storage space to the user at the system level.  An application *can* show you documents and stuff that it manages internally but that's it.   Beyond that, the user never sees/smells files or folders.  So a bit more further thought on the subject and you'd arrive at the conclusion that you have no way to know what portions of your data are on the removable medium or not.  Simply removing the storage could render applications missing or inoperable, etc.  If you know apple, you know user experience is paramount to them so allowing users to get into such an ugly situation is something they tend to avoid and design out of the situation.

In short it would require a slew of new UI to handle management of this and potentially confusing some users that didn't have to care about that at all.   Or you could just buy the next one up with more space and not worry about it.  Admittedly they charge you a lot for just "extra memory" but that's because they expect most to buy the lower end ones and want to make up some cash on the folks willing to spend more on the higher end.  It's a choice they made do disproportionally spread the money they expect to make across their models.
2013-05-06 03:24:56 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


www.giantmike.com
2013-05-06 03:21:38 PM
1 votes:

Lucky LaRue: CheatCommando: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

You probably also want a radiator on your watch.

I know some people are happy with what Apple tells them they want, but I prefer a device that offers me choices.


The essence of good design is not knowing what to add, but what to remove. Win 8 / Android are great examples of what happens when you let pointy-headed geeks like myself play designer.

A spec sheet is not a design any more than a list of ingredients is a recipe.
2013-05-06 03:19:48 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


Flash video does suck, though. And, unfortunately, the whole point of an HTML5 video standard seems to have been lost.
2013-05-06 03:19:00 PM
1 votes:
Surface is just the next Kin/Zune. Microsoft never learns.
2013-05-06 03:13:38 PM
1 votes:
He's got a point.  The Surface hardly frustrates anybody.

/Because hardly anybody is buying them
2013-05-06 02:55:47 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


You should stop using Flash immediately.
2013-05-06 02:54:24 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Zimmy: RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?

It'll ruin the profile of the iPad, I guess. Plus, a dedicated HDMI out slot would take up more space inside the iPad, which means less space for batteries.


And they can't charge you  fifty bucks for the adapter!
2013-05-06 02:53:07 PM
1 votes:
I'm still trying to figure out why I would want to spend so much on what is essential an under powered laptop with no keyboard. What does a tablet offer me at its price point beyond the ability to play Angry Birds?
2013-05-06 02:42:25 PM
1 votes:
I will never buy a Surface just because of those goddam annoying commercials with a bunch of hipsters dancing around a tablet.
2013-05-06 02:22:22 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.


But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?
2013-05-06 01:56:18 PM
1 votes:
<I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.  The lack of Microsoft Office is somewhat annoying - it would be nice to be able to work on papers in Word on both my laptop and iPad, but Evernote helps - it's a little kludgy, but it works.  If anything, the lack of Office is pushing me towards a MacBook for my next laptop - I can deal with using Pages if it means I can seamlessly switch from the laptop to the iPad.

The only frustration I have had with my iPad was the battery heated up so much at one point that it left scorch marks on the cover - so they gave me a new one that wasn't threatening to set fire to itself, no questions asked.
 
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