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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates: The iPad is "frustrating" and should be more like the Microsoft Surface   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 198
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2013-05-06 01:36:13 PM  
yeah make it more like a mac running Boot Camp.  THAT'LL work.
 
2013-05-06 01:40:24 PM  
Well, I do think that there's plenty to find frustrating about iPads and iPhones, I'm not sure that making them more like surface is the answer...
 
2013-05-06 01:40:56 PM  
MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.
 
2013-05-06 01:43:28 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.


i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??
 
2013-05-06 01:47:57 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


I'd like it better if it had MS Office.  Or expandable memory.  Or an HDMI port.  Or any port, really..
 
2013-05-06 01:49:32 PM  
why so you could blow something up?  like the super bowl??
 
2013-05-06 01:53:12 PM  
Well I for one am shocked, SHOCKED I SAY, that a person who's company is in direct competition with Apple would say they don't like Apple products.
 
2013-05-06 01:53:52 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.


I like plenty of them. Just not $600+ like.

/don't care about base price
//don't buy the baseline anything
 
2013-05-06 01:56:18 PM  
<I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.  The lack of Microsoft Office is somewhat annoying - it would be nice to be able to work on papers in Word on both my laptop and iPad, but Evernote helps - it's a little kludgy, but it works.  If anything, the lack of Office is pushing me towards a MacBook for my next laptop - I can deal with using Pages if it means I can seamlessly switch from the laptop to the iPad.

The only frustration I have had with my iPad was the battery heated up so much at one point that it left scorch marks on the cover - so they gave me a new one that wasn't threatening to set fire to itself, no questions asked.
 
2013-05-06 01:57:07 PM  
I prefer Android to either of them.
 
2013-05-06 01:57:26 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..


cdn.imore.com
There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.
 
2013-05-06 02:08:17 PM  
I've never tried the MS Surface. iPad seems fine, though.
 
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2013-05-06 02:08:24 PM  
I don't have a Surface or an iPad.  The Win8 UI is really pretty good on a tablet.  The only thing I don't like is that the Win8 programs are all simple crap like you would find on an Android or IOS tablet.

Using real programs generally requires you to use the old Windows interface.
 
2013-05-06 02:15:03 PM  
If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.

Plenty of Bluetooth keyboards out there that will work with my iPad. I have never needed one though.. any doc I create on a mobile device is usually short and not mission critical so the onscreen keyboard is fine
 
2013-05-06 02:21:14 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..


You probably also want a radiator on your watch.
 
2013-05-06 02:22:22 PM  

RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.


But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?
 
2013-05-06 02:23:21 PM  

Zimmy: RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?


It'll ruin the profile of the iPad, I guess. Plus, a dedicated HDMI out slot would take up more space inside the iPad, which means less space for batteries.
 
2013-05-06 02:24:04 PM  

Majick Thise: If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.


Well technically he would need to talk to Ballmer now, but every time he goes to see him, Ballmer bares his teeth and starts beating his chest.
 
2013-05-06 02:24:59 PM  
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He would have made more sense if he had said something to the effect that the PC isn't going to disappear in the foreseeable future because of the keyboard and document creation issue.
 
2013-05-06 02:25:42 PM  
But with the iPad you don't need an Asian guy to breakdance on the table.
 
2013-05-06 02:26:09 PM  

Majick Thise: If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.


This is funny because it's dumb.
 
2013-05-06 02:26:45 PM  
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2013-05-06 02:28:29 PM  
www.spectrecollie.com
What people frustrated with a tablet may look like.
 
2013-05-06 02:30:21 PM  

pisceandreamer: You can get a physical keyboard for it. The lack of Microsoft Office is somewhat annoying - it would be nice to be able to work on papers in Word on both my laptop and iPad, but Evernote helps - it's a little kludgy, but it works.


Can't you just use Google Docs on the iPad?
 
2013-05-06 02:32:55 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


Fanboi-like typing detected

I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Here's the part where you say "but you don't need to expand your memory and the pad isn't all that heavy and Flash sucks anyhow and you can just wipe off the screen and that's the app's fault and if you can't deal with one button you a retard and the approved apps are way better and iTunes is awesome and you can just logout and login and the price is what you pay for the best!"

iPad is the "best" but the others just suck more.
 
2013-05-06 02:33:13 PM  
if they mean a surface pro, then sure. the RT seems to be just pointless. the pro on the other hand is awesome because it does everything a laptop does performance wise when docked, but you can also read a book on the train/bus/crapper like a kindle/ipad
 
2013-05-06 02:34:33 PM  

Majick Thise: If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.

Plenty of Bluetooth keyboards out there that will work with my iPad. I have never needed one though.. any doc I create on a mobile device is usually short and not mission critical so the onscreen keyboard is fine


When I originally bought an iPad I discovered what millions have also discovered - you don't need MS Office.  And that is what has Microsoft running scared.
 
2013-05-06 02:36:25 PM  
But Bill Gates comes to you ... only out of concern!
 
2013-05-06 02:36:40 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.


Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk
 
2013-05-06 02:42:10 PM  
"Frustrating" must be code for "overpriced."
 
2013-05-06 02:42:25 PM  
I will never buy a Surface just because of those goddam annoying commercials with a bunch of hipsters dancing around a tablet.
 
2013-05-06 02:43:55 PM  

Theaetetus: [www.spectrecollie.com image 600x329]
What people frustrated with a tablet may look like.


It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

Apple tablet. You do things like this on it in real life.

cdn.ithinkdiff.com

Samsung tablet. You do things like this on it in real life.

sammyhub.com

Windows tablet? F***ING DANCE OFF, MUTHAF***ERS, UP IN UR GRILLZ.

www.theplace.org.uk
 
2013-05-06 02:47:47 PM  
Gee, I'll bet the guys at Samsung don't like the iPad much either. What a surprise!

/ow! I just sprained something rolling my eyes
 
2013-05-06 02:48:26 PM  

Zimmy: RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?


Because an HDMI port would double the thickness of the iPad and not everyone would use it, so it cuts costs and preserves the desired size.
 
2013-05-06 02:50:59 PM  

gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk


What is wrong with you?
 
2013-05-06 02:51:34 PM  

Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.


I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"
 
2013-05-06 02:52:34 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


Don't use one right now, so I might be a bit back dated in my criticism (meaning some of them might have been fixed), but here were my problems with ipad:

1) No flash on the camera - would add about $0.05 extra cost to them. why leave it out? Why bother with a camera if you don't want to bother with a flash?
2) No port of any kind.
3) No expandable memory slot
4) Too damn expensive
5) No flash support
6) No firefox (if I remember correctly, there is no 'find' function on safari)
7) No way to turn off components to save battery
8) And the usual complains about all apple products like too restrictive, treating users like idiots, iTunes and so on
 
2013-05-06 02:53:07 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out why I would want to spend so much on what is essential an under powered laptop with no keyboard. What does a tablet offer me at its price point beyond the ability to play Angry Birds?
 
2013-05-06 02:54:02 PM  

RexTalionis: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

[cdn.imore.com image 850x472]
There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.


Interesting, but given its apple related product, how much does it cost? $59.99?
 
2013-05-06 02:54:24 PM  

RexTalionis: Zimmy: RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?

It'll ruin the profile of the iPad, I guess. Plus, a dedicated HDMI out slot would take up more space inside the iPad, which means less space for batteries.


And they can't charge you  fifty bucks for the adapter!
 
2013-05-06 02:54:57 PM  

gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk


"what is flash really used for?"

Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.
 
2013-05-06 02:55:39 PM  

CheatCommando: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

You probably also want a radiator on your watch.


I know some people are happy with what Apple tells them they want, but I prefer a device that offers me choices.
 
2013-05-06 02:55:47 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


You should stop using Flash immediately.
 
2013-05-06 02:57:26 PM  
I like my Blackberry Playbook...

Things important to me (YMMV): small enough to fit in my pocket (100% necessary), cheap price (got mine for $200 1.5 years ago, can get larger storage models for $150 now), mini-HDMI out, good enough apps, plays most downloaded video formats perfectly, no 3g data plan needed (tethers to my work BB), no separate physical keyboard needed (tethers to my BB keypad; bonus, can use touchscreen on phone as a trackpad), can sideload BB/android apps

I think an iPad Mini would do alright for me these days, however for what I use it for (watching downloaded tv shows/movies on the subway, reading comics/pdf's/ebooks, taking notes in meetings, the odd game while I'm on the crapper), the price is much too high... plus add the fact I play mostly SNES/Genesis/PS2 games on my tablet, I don't know if the iPad has any good/working emulator apps...
 
2013-05-06 02:58:30 PM  

El_Dandy_IX: I'm still trying to figure out why I would want to spend so much on what is essential an under powered laptop with no keyboard. What does a tablet offer me at its price point beyond the ability to play Angry Birds?


Aside from a browser and itunes, nothing really. If it's not for you then don't buy it.
 
2013-05-06 03:00:09 PM  

gingerjet: Majick Thise: If Bill Gates thinks the iPad needs MS Office I wonder who he should talk to about changing that... oh wait that would be him.

Plenty of Bluetooth keyboards out there that will work with my iPad. I have never needed one though.. any doc I create on a mobile device is usually short and not mission critical so the onscreen keyboard is fine

When I originally bought an iPad I discovered what millions have also discovered - you don't need MS Office.  And that is what has Microsoft running scared.


You don't NEED Office, but for those who prefer it on a computer it would sure be nice. If MS made a stripped down version of Office for iOS (basic functions for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint), I'd buy it in a heartbeat. There's other apps that get it done (iCloud support for Pages is decent enough), but when you're sitting at your computer the good old faithful and capable Office is the standard of the world for interoperability and pretty much everything else. Sure, you CAN still use the iWork stuff to do it, but in many ways that isn't as seamless when swapping documents with others. Right now I use Pages for the occasional minor word processing work on the iPad and convert the document over to Word via iCloud when I get back to my computer.

IMO, the biggest problems with tablets and other mobile not-quite-a-computer devices is the biatchyness of the makers. Google doesn't want to play TOO nice with Apple or Microsoft because that might open a door in the future to leave Android behind. Microsoft doesn't want to play TOO nice with Apple or Google because that might open a door in the future to leave Windows behind. Apple doesn't want to... you get the idea. It's a regression from the free and open platforms we've known in the computing world. If you buy into Apple's environment you end up depending heavily on them. Ditto with Microsoft and Google. If you want to use Google Docs, it's going to be a pain in the ass if your phone or tablet isn't Android. Like Office? Hope you like Windows Mobile if you want to take it with you. Go iOS? Hope you like Apple's productivity suite.

This is what happens when software vendors also become hardware vendors. The products play VERY well together when they're all from the same vendor but rather poorly when you mix and match.
 
2013-05-06 03:01:50 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Or expandable memory.


This has always been a beef with me. Every Android device I've owned had a microSD slot so I didn't have to constantly shuffle my media and other data to avoid running out of space. It's such a simple farking way to let the consumer have a little more freedom with their device. How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?
 
2013-05-06 03:02:21 PM  

mayIFark: RexTalionis: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

[cdn.imore.com image 850x472]
There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

Interesting, but given its apple related product, how much does it cost? $59.99?


The adapters aren't cheap (depending on the adapter, anywhere from $30-60ish, IIRC), but they help slim down the packaging of the device. You can get off brand ones but those have iffy experiences. I have the VGA and the HDMI cables for my iOS stuff. Makes it really easy to pop a movie onto a larger screen if I like. They also make presentations from a tablet a breeze- don't need a full size computer, just connect to the display, load the presentation app, and away you go.
 
2013-05-06 03:02:31 PM  

Theaetetus: [www.spectrecollie.com image 600x329]
What people frustrated with a tablet may look like.


I don't know what that is from but it is creepy as hell.
 
2013-05-06 03:02:44 PM  

dickfreckle: How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


I don't know, but I bet insulting them in the question is a good way to get a thorough and calmly explained answer.
 
2013-05-06 03:02:45 PM  

Zimmy: But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?


But why isn't an _______ slot a default?

HDMI

USB

SD

etc>
 
2013-05-06 03:07:32 PM  

LasersHurt: dickfreckle: How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?

I don't know, but I bet insulting them in the question is a good way to get a thorough and calmly explained answer.


I'd probably guess it is because Apple, under Steve Jobs, placed design above flexibility/utility. That led to devices that felt good in the hand, looked pleasing to the eye, and were even enjoyable to use. But the tradeoff is that sometimes the things felt unnecessarily handicapped too.

If I'm going to be cynical, I'd also think they comforted themselves (in regards to the product handicapping) by knowing they sold more expensive models or associated dongles at significant profit. Piles of cash help people feel all better about such things.
 
2013-05-06 03:11:47 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I have yet to find a tablet I like.


That's what you get for not Supporting the WebOS tablet !

Seriously though, I own every iPad version, 3 Androids including the Latest Transformer, and both the Surface RT and PRo.

The Surface Pro is largely exactly what I have been wanting from a tablet since my Fujitsu Lifebook P showed me what was possible, (but not available) over a decade ago. The Surface Pro can run all my normal programs, plus some tablet friendly apps, I have a keyboard and touchpad, and Touchscreen, and stylus, and I can use whichever I feel like.

It ain't perfect, but it's as close to meeting ALL of my needs as any of the options out there today. The RT has the same app-only limitations as the iPad and the Android tablets, though it at least has (mostly) Office.

The Surface is the only tablet I use every day at home and work. The iPad I still use for a few games I'm partial to.
 
2013-05-06 03:13:38 PM  
He's got a point.  The Surface hardly frustrates anybody.

/Because hardly anybody is buying them
 
2013-05-06 03:16:20 PM  
 
2013-05-06 03:16:53 PM  

dickfreckle: How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


iOS doesn't have an easily accessible file system. What use is an SD card with files if you can't access it?
 
2013-05-06 03:19:00 PM  
Surface is just the next Kin/Zune. Microsoft never learns.
 
2013-05-06 03:19:48 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


Flash video does suck, though. And, unfortunately, the whole point of an HTML5 video standard seems to have been lost.
 
2013-05-06 03:19:49 PM  
The Surface tablet just looks so exhausting in the commercials.  I don't want to be clicking and snapping and break dancing....I just want to watch cat videos on YouTube.
 
2013-05-06 03:21:22 PM  
ipads are terrible devices mostly because of the iOS security model and lack of uniform data sharing options. Oh, and the terrible software keyboard. The only good thing I can say about my ipad is that if I don't touch it for eight or ten weeks it will still have a decent charge on its battery the next time I do want it for something.

I own a Surface Pro and it's just exactly like every other Windows 8 notebook I own. It's by far the fastest-booting Windows computer I've ever seen, but even at that it still takes ~4 seconds to get to a login prompt and another three or four to load my user profile (that's slightly faster than I've seen from a Samsung 840 or a desktop with a REVOdrive). That's kind of a failure for a tablet device. On the other hand, it handles printing and all the oddball devices that exist in the Windows ecosystem like a dream. Unfortunately, Metro is about 1/3 finished and lacks basic tools like a filesystem browser, and many tasks are deeply obnoxious on a 10" touchscreen or from the cover-keyboard-thing.

My biggest ongoing frustration with Android is the fact that OEMs frequently replace Google's apps, which means that calendar/email/address book sorts of apps rarely work the same from one device to another, and it's very difficult to provide unified support because of those very minor differences. I love the fact that almost everything about Android can be customized, but I'd rather that be left in the hands of users rather than the device manufacturers.
 
2013-05-06 03:21:38 PM  

Lucky LaRue: CheatCommando: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

You probably also want a radiator on your watch.

I know some people are happy with what Apple tells them they want, but I prefer a device that offers me choices.


The essence of good design is not knowing what to add, but what to remove. Win 8 / Android are great examples of what happens when you let pointy-headed geeks like myself play designer.

A spec sheet is not a design any more than a list of ingredients is a recipe.
 
2013-05-06 03:22:59 PM  

Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"


www.mobileapples.com
Worked for the competition...
 
2013-05-06 03:24:15 PM  
I have an HP Touchpad (from the fire sale) and would have loved it if they didn't stop updates for it.

No apps, no updates for existing apps equals a movies, email and internet tablet.
 
2013-05-06 03:24:18 PM  

Deadguy2322: Zimmy: RexTalionis: There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

But why isn't an HDMI slot a default?

Because an HDMI port would double the thickness of the iPad and not everyone would use it, so it cuts costs and preserves the desired size.


There are phone with mini HDMI outs
 
2013-05-06 03:24:56 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


www.giantmike.com
 
2013-05-06 03:24:57 PM  

dickfreckle: Lucky LaRue: Or expandable memory.

This has always been a beef with me. Every Android device I've owned had a microSD slot so I didn't have to constantly shuffle my media and other data to avoid running out of space. It's such a simple farking way to let the consumer have a little more freedom with their device. How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


The UI paradigm on iOS doesn't present files or storage space to the user at the system level.  An application *can* show you documents and stuff that it manages internally but that's it.   Beyond that, the user never sees/smells files or folders.  So a bit more further thought on the subject and you'd arrive at the conclusion that you have no way to know what portions of your data are on the removable medium or not.  Simply removing the storage could render applications missing or inoperable, etc.  If you know apple, you know user experience is paramount to them so allowing users to get into such an ugly situation is something they tend to avoid and design out of the situation.

In short it would require a slew of new UI to handle management of this and potentially confusing some users that didn't have to care about that at all.   Or you could just buy the next one up with more space and not worry about it.  Admittedly they charge you a lot for just "extra memory" but that's because they expect most to buy the lower end ones and want to make up some cash on the folks willing to spend more on the higher end.  It's a choice they made do disproportionally spread the money they expect to make across their models.
 
2013-05-06 03:25:51 PM  

likefunbutnot: I love the fact that almost everything about Android can be customized, but I'd rather that be left in the hands of users rather than the device manufacturers.


That's what finally pissed me off about Android. Sure, it's all customizable... if you go to the trouble to root the device because the maker/carrier locked it down hard. The great parts of the platform were almost entirely overridden somewhere up the retail chain from the end user. It can be overcome, but if I'm buying a device, I don't necessarily feel like I should have to put forth effort and void the warranty just to set things back to the way they were before they dicked around with things.
 
2013-05-06 03:26:57 PM  

akula: mayIFark: RexTalionis: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

[cdn.imore.com image 850x472]
There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

Interesting, but given its apple related product, how much does it cost? $59.99?

The adapters aren't cheap (depending on the adapter, anywhere from $30-60ish, IIRC), but they help slim down the packaging of the device. You can get off brand ones but those have iffy experiences. I have the VGA and the HDMI cables for my iOS stuff. Makes it really easy to pop a movie onto a larger screen if I like. They also make presentations from a tablet a breeze- don't need a full size computer, just connect to the display, load the presentation app, and away you go.


You can also connect wireless to an AppleTV to do presentations.  Using AirPlay.
 
2013-05-06 03:28:08 PM  

mctwin2kman: akula: mayIFark: RexTalionis: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office. Or expandable memory. Or an HDMI port. Or any port, really..

[cdn.imore.com image 850x472]
There is a Lightning to HDMI adapter out there.

Interesting, but given its apple related product, how much does it cost? $59.99?

The adapters aren't cheap (depending on the adapter, anywhere from $30-60ish, IIRC), but they help slim down the packaging of the device. You can get off brand ones but those have iffy experiences. I have the VGA and the HDMI cables for my iOS stuff. Makes it really easy to pop a movie onto a larger screen if I like. They also make presentations from a tablet a breeze- don't need a full size computer, just connect to the display, load the presentation app, and away you go.

You can also connect wireless to an AppleTV to do presentations.  Using AirPlay.


True, but that requires an AppleTV (maybe some other devices can do it too). Easier to haul around a dongle and a cable than an AppleTV.
 
2013-05-06 03:29:33 PM  

Slam Dunkz: In short it would require a slew of new UI to handle management of this and potentially confusing some users that didn't have to care about that at all.   Or you could just buy the next one up with more space and not worry about it.


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Not to mention...

Yes, it's more expensive than an SD card, and yes, it won't help if you don't have an Internet connection, but as you note, it's a tradeoff that will piss off .01% of people (who probably wouldn't be Apple customers  anyway) in exchange for a better user experience for the remainder.
 
2013-05-06 03:31:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

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Worked for the competition...


iPod != iPad. Music players have hyped up the "you can hear your danceable music, and dance to it" aspect since the Walkman. Even the newer ones.
 
2013-05-06 03:33:00 PM  

Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...


Unbelievable that someone would use catchy music and dancing to advertise a MUSIC PLAYER.
 
2013-05-06 03:34:37 PM  

Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...


Uh, yeah, when they were selling a *portable music player.*
 
2013-05-06 03:34:44 PM  
CheatCommando:

The essence of good design is not knowing what to add, but what to remove. Win 8 / Android are great examples of what happens when you let pointy-headed geeks like myself play designer.

A spec sheet is not a design any more than a list of ingredients is a recipe.


This sounds an awful lot like "form over function".  My tablet isn't artwork - it's supposed to do the job I ask it to do.
 
2013-05-06 03:35:09 PM  

mayIFark: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

Don't use one right now, so I might be a bit back dated in my criticism (meaning some of them might have been fixed), but here were my problems with ipad:

1) No flash on the camera - would add about $0.05 extra cost to them. why leave it out? Why bother with a camera if you don't want to bother with a flash?
2) No port of any kind.
3) No expandable memory slot
4) Too damn expensive
5) No flash support
6) No firefox (if I remember correctly, there is no 'find' function on safari)
7) No way to turn off components to save battery
8) And the usual complains about all apple products like too restrictive, treating users like idiots, iTunes and so on




Maddox did a piece about the camera on an iPad.

And it's why having a flash on an iPad is like having an ashtray on a motorcycle.

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
 
2013-05-06 03:36:49 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...

iPod != iPad.


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Wait, seriously? Tell me more.
 
2013-05-06 03:37:42 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.


You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.
 
2013-05-06 03:38:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Slam Dunkz: In short it would require a slew of new UI to handle management of this and potentially confusing some users that didn't have to care about that at all.   Or you could just buy the next one up with more space and not worry about it.

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Not to mention...

Yes, it's more expensive than an SD card, and yes, it won't help if you don't have an Internet connection, but as you note, it's a tradeoff that will piss off .01% of people (who probably wouldn't be Apple customers  anyway) in exchange for a better user experience for the remainder.


I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with iCloud. Okay, so it has my contacts and stuff in there. That's fine. It's also supposed to have my pictures up there, too. Great. Why can't I seem to access my photos via the web interface for iCloud? What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?
 
2013-05-06 03:38:54 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.   maybe you're drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


Android Kool-Aid. There is no significant difference between Android's UI and iOS's UI.
 
2013-05-06 03:40:16 PM  
In other words "Apple is slaughtering our new product."
 
2013-05-06 03:40:25 PM  

RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?


Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.
 
2013-05-06 03:41:22 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.


I don't have a Mac!
 
2013-05-06 03:41:28 PM  
I found most people's complaint with iPads run a long the line of "An iPad is not a computer". Yes, it's not. It's not supposed to be one.

I also find it funny that when the iPad came out the Google and MS fans all said it was stupid and why would anyone want a tablet and then a couple of years later when there is Android and MS ones they all think they are fine now.
 
2013-05-06 03:42:14 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!


Well, then a Mac-based multi-device online synchronization and backup utility ain't gonna be much use for you. Get Carbonite. :)
 
2013-05-06 03:42:34 PM  

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...

iPod != iPad.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 250x307]
Wait, seriously? Tell me more.


Two of us have pointed out to you that the iPod is designed to be a portable music player. I even included links showing this line of advertising (you can dance! To your music! And nobody hears your music like you're hearing it right now!) spanning back from the 1980s.

Are you suggesting that the Surface Pro's advertising is because it's primarily a portable music player?
 
2013-05-06 03:43:38 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!


*facepalm*

What is the point of the internet if I don't have my computer hooked up to the internet?

Yes the cloud stuff doesn't work if the only thing you have that works with it is one device. But that's not a limitation of it. That's because you only have one device that works with it.
 
2013-05-06 03:44:44 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!

Well, then a Mac-based multi-device online synchronization and backup utility ain't gonna be much use for you. Get Carbonite. :)


That's dumb - if it's Mac-only, then they shouldn't have made such a big deal of it when I got iOS5 and 6. Also, I do have Carbonite.
 
2013-05-06 03:46:13 PM  

Shaggy_C: Can't you just use Google Docs on the iPad?


I haven't had great experiences w/Google docs so far in general.
 
2013-05-06 03:46:52 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!

Well, then a Mac-based multi-device online synchronization and backup utility ain't gonna be much use for you. Get Carbonite. :)

That's dumb - if it's Mac-only, then they shouldn't have made such a big deal of it when I got iOS5 and 6. Also, I do have Carbonite.


So your griping that they didn't hook it into 3rd party apps on windows?
 
2013-05-06 03:48:04 PM  

pisceandreamer: Shaggy_C: Can't you just use Google Docs on the iPad?

I haven't had great experiences w/Google docs so far in general.


Me too I wish Google would work on making things work better more than adding more features. But That's probably my big complaint against them them about most things.
 
2013-05-06 03:48:22 PM  
Two of us have pointed out  

Make that three people (me, servlet, and Fireproof).
 
2013-05-06 03:48:41 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...

iPod != iPad.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 250x307]
Wait, seriously? Tell me more.

Two of us have pointed out to you that the iPod is designed to be a portable music player. I even included links showing this line of advertising (you can dance! To your music! And nobody hears your music like you're hearing it right now!) spanning back from the 1980s.

Are you suggesting that the Surface Pro's advertising is because it's primarily a portable music player?


Yes, that's clearly what I'm suggesting.
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I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"
 
2013-05-06 03:48:58 PM  

Corvus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!

*facepalm*

What is the point of the internet if I don't have my computer hooked up to the internet?

Yes the cloud stuff doesn't work if the only thing you have that works with it is one device. But that's not a limitation of it. That's because you only have one device that works with it.


The promise of the cloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

If the cloud is locked down to one classification of devices, it's a pretty useless cloud.
 
2013-05-06 03:50:56 PM  

RexTalionis: The promise of the cloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

If the cloud is locked down to one classification of devices, it's a pretty useless cloud.


Also add my other iPhone and my Nexus phone.
 
2013-05-06 03:51:12 PM  

Jackpot777: Two of us have pointed out  

Make that three people (me, servlet, and Fireproof).


It's true. Three of you look at an amusing dancing GIF and a post poking fun at MS and immediately jump to an unreasonable conclusion that I believe Microsoft Surface is first and foremost a music player. It's weird, because the full moon isn't for three more weeks.
 
2013-05-06 03:51:37 PM  

Theaetetus: I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"


So you bested me by comparing the current MS campaign for tablets to a much older but similar ad campaign for a totally different category of product.  Epic burn, I guess?
 
2013-05-06 03:53:09 PM  

RexTalionis: Corvus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: What's the point of backing up my pictures to the cloud if the only device I can access it on is my iPhone?

Open up iPhoto on your primary machine - your iPhone pics appear there in Photo Stream.

I don't have a Mac!

*facepalm*

What is the point of the internet if I don't have my computer hooked up to the internet?

Yes the cloud stuff doesn't work if the only thing you have that works with it is one device. But that's not a limitation of it. That's because you only have one device that works with it.

The promise of the cloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

If the cloud is locked down to one classification of devices, it's a pretty useless cloud.


actually here is PC setup here:

http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/pc.html

So tell me what "cloud" can I access using my commodore 64 with no internet connection?
So all are useless right because according to you if I can't access it with EVERY device it's 100% useless.
 
2013-05-06 03:53:44 PM  
www.hu.mtu.edu

People have been using tablets for a lot longer than keyboards.

tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com

The thing we're really missing are angle and pressure sensitive stylus. I'd like to have a Cintiq merged into a standalone tablet.
 
2013-05-06 03:53:48 PM  

Corvus: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.

You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.


I get it - iPad isn't a small, portable computer.  The Surface is, and with all the functionality of the iPad.
 
2013-05-06 03:54:57 PM  

RexTalionis: The promise of the platform-agnosticcloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.


The promise of the platform-specific cloud, on the other hand, is that it's better integrated with that particular platform. I don't think Apple was ever promising that their system would be platform agnostic, and without them doing things like rushing to sell OSX for Compaqs and Dells, it's a bit unreasonable to feel like they've let you down in that regard.
 
2013-05-06 03:54:59 PM  

Jackpot777: mayIFark: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

Don't use one right now, so I might be a bit back dated in my criticism (meaning some of them might have been fixed), but here were my problems with ipad:

1) No flash on the camera - would add about $0.05 extra cost to them. why leave it out? Why bother with a camera if you don't want to bother with a flash?
2) No port of any kind.
3) No expandable memory slot
4) Too damn expensive
5) No flash support
6) No firefox (if I remember correctly, there is no 'find' function on safari)
7) No way to turn off components to save battery
8) And the usual complains about all apple products like too restrictive, treating users like idiots, iTunes and so on

Maddox did a piece about the camera on an iPad.

And it's why having a flash on an iPad is like having an ashtray on a motorcycle.

[www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net image 850x490]


Nowhere in your this expanding universe you will see a camera without a flash that is not infrared. And there is a reason for it. Only apple can think one is necessary and other is not. You can argue that a camera is not necessary for iPad on the back said, and I'll have nothing to say to that, but having a camera without a flash is like d**ks without balls.
 
2013-05-06 03:54:59 PM  

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: The promise of the cloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

If the cloud is locked down to one classification of devices, it's a pretty useless cloud.

Also add my other iPhone and my Nexus phone.


I can't access google drive on my computer not hooked up to the internet or my dumb phone so it must also be "useless" too.
 
2013-05-06 03:56:30 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.

You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.

I get it - iPad isn't a small, portable computer.  The Surface is, and with all the functionality of the iPad.


And all the maintenance and hassle and annoyances.

More bullet points doesn't make a better device. If you want that why not just use a laptop? That has even more features.
 
2013-05-06 03:56:44 PM  

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Shaggy_C: Jackpot777: It has to be one of the strangest ad campaigns I've ever seen. The Windows Phone ad shows what their two competitors do well (sharing for Samsung, Siri for Apple) and all they show their phone doing is them scrolling the screen (wow). But that doesn't compare to the tablet ads.

I think they took the Apple idea with iPad (don't tell people how to use it; just give them a product and let them figure out its purpose) way too far.  "Hey, it's a tablet, that's all you need to know! Catchy music! Dancing! Won't someone please pay attention to this commercial!!!! Microsoft!!!!"

[www.mobileapples.com image 176x220]
Worked for the competition...

iPod != iPad.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 250x307]
Wait, seriously? Tell me more.

Two of us have pointed out to you that the iPod is designed to be a portable music player. I even included links showing this line of advertising (you can dance! To your music! And nobody hears your music like you're hearing it right now!) spanning back from the 1980s.

Are you suggesting that the Surface Pro's advertising is because it's primarily a portable music player?

Yes, that's clearly what I'm suggesting.
[media.tumblr.com image 150x167]

I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"


And why was Apple using look at us! Dancing! Catchy music!  in their ads?

You've already been called out by three different people. Your eye-roll GIF just looks like Dunning-Kruger animated.
 
2013-05-06 03:56:46 PM  

Shaggy_C: Theaetetus: I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"

So you bested me by comparing the current MS campaign for tablets to a much older but similar ad campaign for a totally different category of product.  Epic burn, I guess?


Apparently, I bested you by agreeing with you and saying "you were right", because in response, you got outraged. It's very meta, I guess.
 
2013-05-06 03:58:29 PM  

Jackpot777: You've already been called out by three different people.


You're right. I take it all back: Shaggy_C was wrong and has no idea what he's talking about.

My apologies to everyone for ever implying that he was correct. I didn't think it would be such an issue.
 
2013-05-06 03:59:14 PM  

mayIFark: Jackpot777: mayIFark: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

Don't use one right now, so I might be a bit back dated in my criticism (meaning some of them might have been fixed), but here were my problems with ipad:

1) No flash on the camera - would add about $0.05 extra cost to them. why leave it out? Why bother with a camera if you don't want to bother with a flash?
2) No port of any kind.
3) No expandable memory slot
4) Too damn expensive
5) No flash support
6) No firefox (if I remember correctly, there is no 'find' function on safari)
7) No way to turn off components to save battery
8) And the usual complains about all apple products like too restrictive, treating users like idiots, iTunes and so on

Maddox did a piece about the camera on an iPad.

And it's why having a flash on an iPad is like having an ashtray on a motorcycle.

[www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net image 850x490]

Nowhere in your this expanding universe you will see a camera without a flash that is not infrared. And there is a reason for it. Only apple can think one is necessary and other is not. You can argue that a camera is not necessary for iPad on the back said, and I'll have nothing to say to that, but having a camera without a flash is like d**ks without balls.


What A d**k without balls may look like.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-06 04:00:35 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: The promise of the platform-agnosticcloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

The promise of the platform-specific cloud, on the other hand, is that it's better integrated with that particular platform. I don't think Apple was ever promising that their system would be platform agnostic, and without them doing things like rushing to sell OSX for Compaqs and Dells, it's a bit unreasonable to feel like they've let you down in that regard.


Look, man, I just want to access it in a browser. Like every other cloud service ever made. Because I might not always have my desktop or laptop with iCloud installed on it (thanks Corvus, you massive moron who doesn't understand the difference between a Commodore 64 and a completely modern machine with always-accessible internet).

If I'm at work, or if I'm at a friend's house and I'm not carrying either of the iPhones, I am utterly screwed if I want to show them a picture I took with the iPhone (I switch off between iPhone 4S and Nexus 4) since the pictures I took are only accessible to my personal machine and not available through a browser.

That's all I want. Seriously, is it too much to ask?
 
2013-05-06 04:00:47 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"

And why was Apple using look at us! Dancing! Catchy music!  in their ads?


Because, I don't know, they had a better underlying message because their device was about dancing and catchy music?

Holy fark, this thread took a sharp left turn. I'm sorry I ever confused the four of you by saying I agreed with Shaggy. Clearly, that was a mistake.
 
2013-05-06 04:00:47 PM  

akula: That's what finally pissed me off about Android. Sure, it's all customizable... if you go to the trouble to root the device because the maker/carrier locked it down hard.


MOST things are at least userland accessible. You can edit the sharing menus and swap out your keyboard, for example. The device OEM can throw on some applications that might not be removable (Facebook), but ad-blocking and whole-system backup are the only two major functions I think might require a full-on rooting. UI extensions like TouchWiz and SenseUI do create problems though, since they fundamentally change the Android experience in much the same way that Windows 8's home screen is a change from Windows 7's start menu. I've definitely been frustrated trying to describe small differences between the Samsung and HTC phones I'm most familiar with to people who own Sony or LG models.

And of course it can be very difficult or downright impossible to explain why the E-mail apps on your home screen is different from the Gmail app that's provided by Google and buried somewhere in your apps menu instead of on the home screen like you'd probably want.
 
2013-05-06 04:02:26 PM  

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: You've already been called out by three different people.

You're right. I take it all back: Shaggy_C was wrong and has no idea what he's talking about.

My apologies to everyone for ever implying that he was correct. I didn't think it would be such an issue.


You made it the issue. You. You were the one that equated a tablet using a dance routine as a distraction from them not concentrating more on the function of the tablet with a music player whose very function IS to experience your music in that manner.
 
2013-05-06 04:04:30 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: The promise of the platform-agnosticcloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

The promise of the platform-specific cloud, on the other hand, is that it's better integrated with that particular platform. I don't think Apple was ever promising that their system would be platform agnostic, and without them doing things like rushing to sell OSX for Compaqs and Dells, it's a bit unreasonable to feel like they've let you down in that regard.

Look, man, I just want to access it in a browser. Like every other cloud service ever made. Because I might not always have my desktop or laptop with iCloud installed on it (thanks Corvus, you massive moron who doesn't understand the difference between a Commodore 64 and a completely modern machine with always-accessible internet).

If I'm at work, or if I'm at a friend's house and I'm not carrying either of the iPhones, I am utterly screwed if I want to show them a picture I took with the iPhone (I switch off between iPhone 4S and Nexus 4) since the pictures I took are only accessible to my personal machine and not available through a browser.


Install iCloud on their computer?
 
2013-05-06 04:05:44 PM  

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: I'm suggesting that the person who said "I think they took [Apple's idea] way too far"was right, and compared this particular MS fail to an advertising campaign by Apple that was similar, but more successful, due to a better underlying message than "look at us! Dancing! Catchy music! Microsoft! Please pay attention!"

And why was Apple using look at us! Dancing! Catchy music!  in their ads?

Because, I don't know, they had a better underlying message because their device was about dancing and catchy music?

Holy fark, this thread took a sharp left turn. I'm sorry I ever confused the four of you by saying I agreed with Shaggy. Clearly, that was a mistake.


Apple weren't using dancing to your music with earphones in to get people to notice what their product is. That IS what that product is.

www.mobileapples.com

The white headphones are a bit of a giveaway.
 
2013-05-06 04:05:47 PM  

Jackpot777: mayIFark: Jackpot777: mayIFark: Jon iz teh kewl: 
Nowhere in your this expanding universe you will see a camera without a flash that is not infrared. And there is a reason for it. Only apple can think one is necessary and other is not. You can argue that a camera is not necessary for iPad on the back said, and I'll have nothing to say to that, but having a camera without a flash is like d**ks without balls.

What A d**k without balls may look like.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x400]


Took me a sec, then I LOL'ed.
 
2013-05-06 04:08:17 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Jackpot777: You've already been called out by three different people.

You're right. I take it all back: Shaggy_C was wrong and has no idea what he's talking about.

My apologies to everyone for ever implying that he was correct. I didn't think it would be such an issue.

You made it the issue. You. You were the one that equated a tablet using a dance routine as a distraction from them not concentrating more on the function of the tablet with a music player whose very function IS to experience your music in that manner agreed with Shaggy that Microsoft frequently sees Apple do something, and then takes it too far, specifically that in this case they saw an ad with dancing people like the iPod ads and thought simplistically that "dancing people in ad = successful ad", leading to this terrible campaign.


FTFY. And no,  you made it the issue.

But as I said above, I withdraw any suggestion, intimation, or implication that Shaggy was ever correct about this. I'm not sure why that will make you or him happy, but hey, I'm feeling magnanimous.
 
2013-05-06 04:08:40 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: The promise of the platform-agnosticcloud is that it is platform agnostic and accessible always. If I want to access my Carbonite, Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive, I can access all of them through my Windows 8 ultrabook, Windows 8 laptop, Windows 7 desktop, Linux desktop, Android miniPC, Android tablet, other Android tablet, the Android Gingerbread tablet, or my iPhone.

The promise of the platform-specific cloud, on the other hand, is that it's better integrated with that particular platform. I don't think Apple was ever promising that their system would be platform agnostic, and without them doing things like rushing to sell OSX for Compaqs and Dells, it's a bit unreasonable to feel like they've let you down in that regard.

Look, man, I just want to access it in a browser. Like every other cloud service ever made. Because I might not always have my desktop or laptop with iCloud installed on it (thanks Corvus, you massive moron who doesn't understand the difference between a Commodore 64 and a completely modern machine with always-accessible internet).

If I'm at work, or if I'm at a friend's house and I'm not carrying either of the iPhones, I am utterly screwed if I want to show them a picture I took with the iPhone (I switch off between iPhone 4S and Nexus 4) since the pictures I took are only accessible to my personal machine and not available through a browser.

Install iCloud on their computer?


1) I don't think my friends want me to randomly willy nilly installing things on their computers, and
2) I don't think the best solution to show a friend one picture I took is to install a program that will try to download my entire photostream into their Pictures folder once it logs on.
 
2013-05-06 04:10:42 PM  
icdn1.digitaltrends.com

No, iCloud, I don't want you to download my entire photostream into my friend's PC so I can show them one picture! Give me a browser interface!
 
2013-05-06 04:11:08 PM  

Corvus: Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.

You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.

I get it - iPad isn't a small, portable computer.  The Surface is, and with all the functionality of the iPad.

And all the maintenance and hassle and annoyances.

More bullet points doesn't make a better device. If you want that why not just use a laptop? That has even more features.


Because I want a tablet.  One that will run MS Office.  And Outlook.  And any other windows-based software I choose to throw at it.  And integrate with my xBox.

It isn't a fight over which one is better.  If the limited functionality of an iPad is all you need, then that is the route you should go.  If you want more power, function, and flexibility, then you should choose a real device like the Surface
 
2013-05-06 04:11:34 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: [Apple's] device was about dancing and catchy music

Apple weren't using dancing to your music with earphones in to get people to notice what their product is. That IS what that product is.


What, really? Apple's device was about dancing and catchy music?!

... Jackpot, dude, I like you, so I'm going to suggest you take a deep breath, go back and re-read this thread with an objective mind, and then you'll realize why I'm laughing at you: I'm agreeing with you, and you're getting outraged about it.
 
2013-05-06 04:12:56 PM  

Theaetetus: Install iCloud on their computer?


There's no technical reason iwhatever can't be made accessible in a browser. Apple's shiat isn't doing anything so special as to preclude it from acting in much the same fashion as the Play Store (itunes), Picasa or Skydrive.

Why should someone need to install 400MB of crap including Apple's weirdo UI primatives just so they can gift an app on the itunes store, configure an Access Point or take a look at a photo that clearly does exist on a web-accessible server someplace? And what happens if the party in question isn't using a computing platform Apple wants to support? Because guess how fun it is to configure an Airport if all you have are Android devices.
 
2013-05-06 04:14:53 PM  

RexTalionis: [icdn1.digitaltrends.com image 625x383]

No, iCloud, I don't want you to download my entire photostream into my friend's PC so I can show them one picture! Give me a browser interface!


iCloud's not a multi-user system, tho.
I agree that it doesn't have this feature, but then, it's not really what the system is about. Dropbox doesn't allow simultaneous online editing of documents and merging of changes, but that's not what it's about either.
 
2013-05-06 04:14:58 PM  
I wish Amazon would may an Instant Video app for Prime users on Android.  They do that, I'll never look back.

/they won't do that though
 
2013-05-06 04:16:58 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: I wish Amazon would may an Instant Video app for Prime users on Android.  They do that, I'll never look back.

/they won't do that though


You can do a workaround with Plex or PlayOn.
 
2013-05-06 04:17:36 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.

You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.

I get it - iPad isn't a small, portable computer.  The Surface is, and with all the functionality of the iPad.

And all the maintenance and hassle and annoyances.

More bullet points doesn't make a better device. If you want that why not just use a laptop? That has even more features.

Because I want a tablet.  One that will run MS Office.  And Outlook.  And any other windows-based software I choose to throw at it.  And integrate with my xBox.

It isn't a fight over which one is better.  If the limited functionality of an iPad is all you need, then that is the route you should go.  If you want more power, function, and flexibility, then you should choose a real device like the Surface


Why why is using a tablet better than using laptop for that? What does a surface provide over a lap top?
 
2013-05-06 04:19:20 PM  

Corvus: Why why is using a tablet better than using laptop for that? What does a surface provide over a lap top?


It's smaller and more portable.

I have a really small Windows 8 laptop. It's 11.6 inches. The Surface Pro is still smaller and lighter (and actually more powerful).
 
2013-05-06 04:19:25 PM  
akula:
That's what finally pissed me off about Android. Sure, it's all customizable... if you go to the trouble to root the device because the maker/carrier locked it down hard.

Or if, you know, you just buy an unlocked device.   If you get your "free" phone the carrier is going to load it up with crap to help subsidize that cost.   Just buy a Nexus 4 from Google and be done with it.   No rooting involved.
 
2013-05-06 04:22:37 PM  

Rent Party: Just buy a Nexus 4 from Google and be done with it. No rooting involved.


Or wait until Google IO later in the month and see if Google announces their next Nexus phone there. If they do, there will be a lot of Nexus 4 users who will be dumping their Nexus 4 to get the next one.

/I might do it, even though my Nexus 4 is only a month old.
 
2013-05-06 04:24:15 PM  

Corvus: Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: Corvus: Lucky LaRue: I'd like it better if it had MS Office.

You don't get what an iPad is for. It's not just a smaller portable computer.

I get it - iPad isn't a small, portable computer.  The Surface is, and with all the functionality of the iPad.

And all the maintenance and hassle and annoyances.

More bullet points doesn't make a better device. If you want that why not just use a laptop? That has even more features.

Because I want a tablet.  One that will run MS Office.  And Outlook.  And any other windows-based software I choose to throw at it.  And integrate with my xBox.

It isn't a fight over which one is better.  If the limited functionality of an iPad is all you need, then that is the route you should go.  If you want more power, function, and flexibility, then you should choose a real device like the Surface

Why why is using a tablet better than using laptop for that? What does a surface provide over a lap top?


The Surface provides the convenience of a tablet with the power of a laptop.

If I am just surfing the web,  watching live-streaming video, or doing the kind of stuff your iPad limits you to, then the keyboard is put up (of course, with the HDMI port, I have the option of plugging in to my TV so I can watch the movie/show with my friends and family).

If I want to get serious and write a report for work or put together a presentation, then I can break out the keyboard and do that, too.  All in one device
 
2013-05-06 04:30:28 PM  

wildcardjack: I'd like to have a Cintiq merged into a standalone tablet.


YMMV, but the Surface Pro is pretty darn close. Pressure sensitive pen stylus, and since it's Windows 8, you can actually get programs that will support it. I've done a fair amount of sketching with Sketchbook, and it ain't half bad. MUCH better for taking notes.

(hella better than the blunt magic marker stylus on the iPad or Androids)

Of course I still prefer an actual PC with a big 'ol Wacom Intuos 18x12.
 
2013-05-06 04:35:38 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: wildcardjack: I'd like to have a Cintiq merged into a standalone tablet.

YMMV, but the Surface Pro is pretty darn close. Pressure sensitive pen stylus, and since it's Windows 8, you can actually get programs that will support it. I've done a fair amount of sketching with Sketchbook, and it ain't half bad. MUCH better for taking notes.

(hella better than the blunt magic marker stylus on the iPad or Androids)

Of course I still prefer an actual PC with a big 'ol Wacom Intuos 18x12.


Lenovo has a thing you will both be very interested in owning.
 
2013-05-06 04:44:04 PM  
nice troll face to go with article.. 8/10
 
2013-05-06 04:44:34 PM  
The 16 inch Dell Surface bugged the hell out of me. There was no UI, no toolbars, and all the dedicated buttons were useless. Everything was a goddamned secret. It was like they took an ipad and multiplied the stupid by 20.
 
2013-05-06 04:46:00 PM  

Theaetetus: Apparently, I bested you by agreeing with you and saying "you were right", because in response, you got outraged. It's very meta, I guess.


I think your intent to agree with me came off as a sarcastic remark...and it was all downhill from there.
 
2013-05-06 04:48:00 PM  

Shaggy_C: Theaetetus: Apparently, I bested you by agreeing with you and saying "you were right", because in response, you got outraged. It's very meta, I guess.

I think your intent to agree with me came off as a sarcastic remark...and it was all downhill from there.


Yah, though sarcasm targeted at Microsoft... As in, some ad guy at MS saying "bu-bu-but it worked for Aaaaple!"

I got a good laugh out of it anyways.
 
2013-05-06 04:48:21 PM  
$ound$ like a per$onal problem.
 
2013-05-06 04:51:08 PM  

teto85: $ound$ like a per$onal problem.


Is that really still a thing?  Making fun of Microsoft for having a lot of money?  You do know, don't you, that Apple has $145 billion on its books (versus the $60 billion on Micro$oft's)?
 
2013-05-06 04:54:01 PM  
Best tablet deal out there right now is the Nook HD or HD+. Both are on sale right now, and B&N caved and added Google Playstore.
 
2013-05-06 04:54:01 PM  
They got us a Surface to toy around with at work.  The only thing I took away from it is, holy shiat does it get on the bottom.  I'm talking it would probably remove skin if you set it on your bare lap.
 
2013-05-06 04:56:35 PM  

Lucky LaRue: teto85: $ound$ like a per$onal problem.

Is that really still a thing?  Making fun of Microsoft for having a lot of money?  You do know, don't you, that Apple has $145 billion on its books (versus the $60 billion on Micro$oft's)?


Yeah but you can't use the '$' sign when you spell Apple. So where's the fun in that?
 
2013-05-06 05:00:25 PM  

RexTalionis: Shrugging Atlas: I wish Amazon would may an Instant Video app for Prime users on Android.  They do that, I'll never look back.

/they won't do that though

You can do a workaround with Plex or PlayOn.


True, I'm just spoiled.  And even then the workarounds (or the iOS App for that matter) don't let you download movies you own...only the Kindle does.  I totally understand why Amazon won't expand the app any further than it is though...I'd kick my Kindle HD to the curb for a 'full' tablet in a heartbeat.
 
2013-05-06 05:04:30 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Lucky LaRue: teto85: $ound$ like a per$onal problem.

Is that really still a thing?  Making fun of Microsoft for having a lot of money?  You do know, don't you, that Apple has $145 billion on its books (versus the $60 billion on Micro$oft's)?

Yeah but you can't use the '$' sign when you spell Apple. So where's the fun in that?


Krapple?
 
2013-05-06 05:05:45 PM  
Biggest problem with ipads: no multi-user support.
 
2013-05-06 05:07:00 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Best tablet deal out there right now is the Nook HD or HD+. Both are on sale right now, and B&N caved and added Google Playstore.


I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support. It's a no-name device but its hardware specs are very similar to a Nexus 7 and the screen is comparable to my Motorola Xoom (decent but not spectacular).  I like to suggest those as a compromise for the person who thinks that a $100 Coby tablet with no Google Play support that they got from Big Lots is a good idea.
 
2013-05-06 05:08:25 PM  

Tax Boy: Biggest problem for poor people with ipads: no multi-user support.


Honestly, I'm sure they'd prefer that you buy one for every member of your family.
 
2013-05-06 05:13:57 PM  
ITT:
People stating that an iPad is not a computer; that it's silly to want to use Office on it.

also ITT:
People stating that "iPad !=iPod."

So what the hell is it, besides an expensive way to play angry birds?
 
2013-05-06 05:16:39 PM  

derpy: So what the hell is it, besides an expensive way to play angry birds?


It's a dedicated console for making purchases and viewing content from Apple.
 
2013-05-06 05:16:41 PM  
FTFA:

The of any  tablet in the world, but cofounder  Bill Gates thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with aphysical keyboard and it lacks access toMicrosoft Office.

This is why Microsoft keeps failing. A tablet is not supposed to be a laptop.
 
2013-05-06 05:18:53 PM  
Why do people still think Gates makes decisions for Microsoft?
 
2013-05-06 05:22:23 PM  
Keep drinking your own Kool-Aid, you jagoff.

Office isn't available on the iPad because of your company's decision not to offer it.  Not that expect to do any serious writing, etc. on a tablet.

And the complaint of "no keyboard?"  Any Bluetooth keyboard will do just fine with an iPad, thanks.  Your squishy, foamy pseudo keyboard that comes with a "Surface" tablet is a joke.  It sucks.
 
2013-05-06 05:29:37 PM  

LasersHurt: PC LOAD LETTER: Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.

You should stop using Flash immediately.


Flash is a memory- and battery-hog.  It destroys a mobile device's battery life.  And on my laptop, it soaks up tons of memory for no reason.

Flash was fine before HTML5, but now is the time for it to die.
 
2013-05-06 05:30:03 PM  
Well, he's right, if his comments are taken exactly as they are.  A lot of people (which could be a tiny percentage when considering a population the size of iPad users) are frustrated with both of those things.  The keyboard is easily fixed, although at some extra cost.  The Office thing, though, perhaps not.
 
2013-05-06 05:34:25 PM  
Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants.  Perhaps I am unreasonable.
 
2013-05-06 05:43:12 PM  

Chemguy: I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants. Perhaps I am unreasonable.


Displayport and MicroHDMI are not THAT uncommon. If it bothers you to carry the adapters around, tape one to the end of your TV/monitor/projector. I have all the various goofy connectors in my tech bag, but the much more common problem for me is not being able to find a display device with a proper HDMI connection in the first place.

The Surface Pro doesn't do Intel Wireless Display, but Apple and Samsung both have proprietary screencasting applications that work with their product ecosystem.
 
2013-05-06 05:55:08 PM  

Gnaglor: Why do people still think Gates makes decisions for Microsoft?


Probably because he's a chairman at the company?
 
2013-05-06 06:03:28 PM  
Here's how I make my computing hardware purchase decisions:  Which item has:

(1) reliable hardware and
(2) an OS that gets out of my way and lets me do my work most efficiently?  Does it "just work?"

Before you snark, note that I use advanced scientific analysis software, programming languages, Photoshop, and other resource-hungry applications (as well as the usuals like Office) to do my work.

A computer is a tool.  It is, in fact, the tool that I use more than any other technical/scientific tool on any given day.  An hour wasted on resolving some update-related conflict is an hour of my time lost.

At the end of the day, all I care about is whether the tool lets me do my thing without hassling me with constant update notifications, BSODs, excessive customization options, etc.  A consistent interface is a plus.

/CSB
A few years ago, a Microsoft AutoUpdate broke a particular piece of chemical-analysis software that is present in essentially every university and private-company lab, called INCA, used for SEM and TEM chemical analysis.  Users world-wide were unable to use their often $2M+ instruments for chemical analysis, because the "update" broke functionality.  Millions of $$$ wasted in lost productivity, hassling the instrument manufacturer (Oxford Instruments), and in scientific-staff time wasted trying to resolve the screw-up.  Did MS pay for a nickel of these several days of wasted productivity?  Nope.

/CSB #2
I've had overnight scans on scientific instruments fail due to MS Auto-updates.  That is, expensive experiments in terms of my hourly usage charges.  Why?  Well, Auto-update force-quits every application and restarts the computer that is controlling the expensive instrument.  All data collected was lost, but I was still charged for instrument-time, and had to do the whole experiment again from the start later on.  So, eventually, yes, I gained access to the Admin account and disabled Auto-update, but that is a Band-Aid applied after the fact.

MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.

And don't get me started on how much it costs to re-train the secretarial pool every time MS revamps "MS Office."  It's all money down the drain.
 
2013-05-06 06:03:28 PM  
the best idea ive seen are the convertible tablets that can be docked onto a real keyboard with its own battery and storage. in this way you can go 'mobile' and take your tablet with you for light use and portability, but can dock it for 'laptop' mode at your desk when you need to get more work done on an extended charge. pretty cool, and only real need to have the duality of the Windows 8 interface. otherwise I've stated that they should have a one-or-the-other option when selecting an interface for your device.
 
2013-05-06 06:04:45 PM  

likefunbutnot: I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support.


I've been trying to sell my wife on the idea of an Ainol 7", but she doesn't seem open to it.
 
2013-05-06 06:06:44 PM  

Chemguy: Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants.  Perhaps I am unreasonable.


Wait for Haswell, due out later this year.
 
2013-05-06 06:11:11 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


All right, time to change you from favourited as "idiot" to ignoring you. God DAMN, you're annoying.
 
2013-05-06 06:15:29 PM  
I owned an iPad once, apparently it voids the warranty if you smash it into an Apple Geniuses face in frustration.
 
2013-05-06 06:20:33 PM  
I'll be honest.  The Microsoft Surface doesn't confuse me a bit.  Nor does the iPad.

This is probably because I have an Android.
 
2013-05-06 06:23:34 PM  

likefunbutnot: BojanglesPaladin: wildcardjack: I'd like to have a Cintiq merged into a standalone tablet.

YMMV, but the Surface Pro is pretty darn close. Pressure sensitive pen stylus, and since it's Windows 8, you can actually get programs that will support it. I've done a fair amount of sketching with Sketchbook, and it ain't half bad. MUCH better for taking notes.

(hella better than the blunt magic marker stylus on the iPad or Androids)

Of course I still prefer an actual PC with a big 'ol Wacom Intuos 18x12.

Lenovo has a thing you will both be very interested in owning.


(I actually have the Lenovo Yoga too.)

That's nice, but at 27", it's not exactly suitable for me to sketch doodles on the couch, you know? And for that price I can get a decent touch monitor to go with my existing rig, where I would do any serious work anyway.

..... but it does look nice.
 
2013-05-06 06:25:13 PM  

SirHolo: MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.


You do of course know that there's an option to change the date and time the the system will install updates and that it's pathetically simple to administer those settings on an organization-wide basis, right?
 
2013-05-06 06:36:58 PM  

Chemguy: Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants. Perhaps I am unreasonable


I know I sound like I have stock in Microsoft, but the Surface PRO does almost all of that, although it's more like 6 hours of regular use before you need to go find a charger. It's comparable to a laptop (which it effectively is). Also it has HDMI built in, but it is micro HDMI, so you may still need an adapter.

The Lenovo Yoga will do all of that too, but If I remember without checking it has standard HDMI. But it's a little big and heavy compared to a 10" tablet. It's really a full size laptop that folds back on itself.

Both of them can run the exact same software you would install on your desktop, and allow you to tweak things just as you would on a desktop Windows 8 PC.

That being said, you don't mention any need for touch, so why not just get a decent laptop?
 
2013-05-06 06:45:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: it's more like 6 hours of regular use before you need to go find a charger.


Six hours is awfully optimistic. I usually see about four and a half out of mine and the one time tried gaming on it (League of Legends) it was more like two.
 
2013-05-06 07:00:45 PM  
Theaetetus: Yes, it's more expensive than an SD card, and yes, it won't help if you don't have an Internet connection, but as you note, it's a tradeoff that will piss off .01% of people (who probably wouldn't be Apple customers  anyway) in exchange for a better user experience for the remainder.

docs.google.com


.01% ?

Android grows by market share everyday.
YOU can add to the code yourself.
It's free.

Apple rapes you and convinces you that you're in  Twilight.  (They are protecting you from evil, you're special and they love you).
 
2013-05-06 07:01:07 PM  

likefunbutnot: SirHolo: MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.

You do of course know that there's an option to change the date and time the the system will install updates and that it's pathetically simple to administer those settings on an organization-wide basis, right?


Yes, of course.  But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap.  The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources.  Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine.  It's invisible to everyone else on the network.  That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.
 
2013-05-06 07:13:56 PM  

likefunbutnot: Six hours is awfully optimistic. I usually see about four and a half out of mine and the one time tried gaming on it (League of Legends) it was more like two.


A with all battery life, YMMV. I can check e-mail, watch a video, browse the internet, play music, work on docs and doodle for about 6 hours. Haven;t even tried real gaming on a tablet, because.. why?

I also know Bejeweled Blitz on my iPad can drain the iPad in less than three hours.
 
2013-05-06 07:19:59 PM  
I loved my iPads. My mom loves hers.

HOWEVER, I hated the price. I couldn't justify having to spend that much to have more storage space (because you can't just add an SD card: YOU NEED A WHOLE NEW IPAD!) and so I sold off my iPad and went for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, and I love it.

The only thing I miss from iPad is Pages, which really is an excellent word processor. However, the ability to use a Bluetooth mouse on Android Jellybean makes up for the less-flashy word processing apps. The Tab is a really great tablet. And I suspect the rest of the Samsung line is equally as nice.

I had other Android tablets, and they didn't please me half as much as the Samsung.

I am pretty certain that my next tablet is going to be either a Samsung Note 10.1 (with a notebook dock) or an Asus Transformer. I won't even bother with a 7" tablet anymore because I also have an iPod touch that handles the smaller tasks.

I have nothing against the iPad outside of the limited upgradability (no SD card slot, and you need expensive dongles to do anything else), but Apple's pricing is restrictive and unnecessary when comparable tablets are now able to keep up, look just as good, work just as well, and cost half the price.
 
2013-05-06 07:22:16 PM  

babygoat: gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk

What is wrong with you?


I've never seen someone come out and post "PUT ME ON YOUR IGNORE LIST PL0X" until gingerjet posted.
 
2013-05-06 07:36:27 PM  

SirHolo: /CSB
A few years ago, a Microsoft AutoUpdate broke a particular piece of chemical-analysis software that is present in essentially every university and private-company lab, called INCA, used for SEM and TEM chemical analysis.  Users world-wide were unable to use their often $2M+ instruments for chemical analysis, because the "update" broke functionality.  Millions of $$$ wasted in lost productivity, hassling the instrument manufacturer (Oxford Instruments), and in scientific-staff time wasted trying to resolve the screw-up.  Did MS pay for a nickel of these several days of wasted productivity?  Nope.

/CSB #2
I've had overnight scans on scientific instruments fail due to MS Auto-updates.  That is, expensive experiments in terms of my hourly usage charges.  Why?  Well, Auto-update force-quits every application and restarts the computer that is controlling the expensive instrument.  All data collected was lost, but I was still charged for instrument-time, and had to do the whole experiment again from the start later on.  So, eventually, yes, I gained access to the Admin account and disabled Auto-update, but that is a Band-Aid applied after the fact.

MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.


I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.
My car has cruise control, but I dont use it while parking.

seriously, you leave a retarded feature turned on and then complain that the feature works the way it is expected to work?
DERPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
 
2013-05-06 07:39:06 PM  

Kibbler: I'll be honest.  The Microsoft Surface doesn't confuse me a bit.  Nor does the iPad.

This is probably because I have an Android.


heh
I have a tool. the tool does what I want. it does what it was designed to do.
TADA

I rarely complain that it is unable to travel in time or exceed the speed of light.
 
2013-05-06 07:44:19 PM  

RexTalionis: [icdn1.digitaltrends.com image 625x383]

No, iCloud, I don't want you to download my entire photostream into my friend's PC so I can show them one picture! Give me a browser interface!


I don't use Microsoft's Skydrive (yet), but I checked it out, and it's completely accessible through any browser on any OS. It even has a "public" folder to share files, like the picture you want to show your friend, without entering your login info onto his computer.
 
2013-05-06 07:46:29 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I am pretty certain that my next tablet is going to be either a Samsung Note 10.1 (with a notebook dock) or an Asus Transformer.


I'm a big fan of the Asus Transformer and I own the first and last generation. (I prefer the Surface largely for OS and stylus reasons.) If you like Android, it's a great system and with the battery keyboard, it gets up to 16 hours of life. It is the one I use on international trips, for instance, becausee I can watch multiple movies on a single fresh charge.

And nowadays, Android has effectively closed the App gap. I can't really think of anything I want or need that the Apple Store has that I can't find on Google Play.
 
2013-05-06 07:57:03 PM  

Without Fail: .01% ?

Android grows by market share everyday.
YOU can add to the code yourself.
It's free.

Apple rapes you and convinces you that you're in  Twilight.  (They are protecting you from evil, you're special and they love you).


You forgot to switch to your Android_Yes sockpuppet.
 
2013-05-06 08:11:02 PM  

SirHolo: Yes, of course. But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap. The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources. Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine. It's invisible to everyone else on the network. That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.



All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates. And you blame Microsoft for your failure to take even the most basic configuration steps (it even asks you how you want it set up when you install). You don't want the IT "weenies" to touch your stuff, and you proudly announce your inability to manage even the most basic IT tasks. I bet you hold the power button to turn off your workstation when you go home at night. Or do you just unplug it while running? No doubt you have a deep and thurough understanding of subatomic particles or microbiology or whatever, but you are clearly utterly unqualified to discuss computing devices.

There is a problem in you incredibly expensive and time wasting example. But the problem is you.
 
2013-05-06 08:18:29 PM  

poot_rootbeer: You forgot to switch to your Android_Yes sockpuppet.


Nope. I'm an agnostic.
I just prefer freedom to tyranny.
 
2013-05-06 08:49:12 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk

"what is flash really used for?"

Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


I have an Android phone. And I don't have Flash installed. I did, briefly. I figured it would be nice to see some of the stuff I missed when I had my iPhone. It sucks down the battery and crashes repeatedly... even when not in use. And 99% of the time the ONLY thing I miss without it installed is some stupid flash- based ad that probably auto- plays a video or music or does something else obnoxious. I am glad I got rid of it. I'm sorry, but in this day and age, if you still use Flash for something critical, you're like someone who STILL has AOL. Flash is a broken joke at this point, and Adobe seems to have no desire to actually make it into a quality platform anymore. THAT is why Apple left it behind- it's junk. Get with the times, and use a platform that isn't a resource- hogging, crashing, battery- eating pile of dog poo.
 
2013-05-06 08:52:29 PM  

Lucky LaRue: teto85: $ound$ like a per$onal problem.

Is that really still a thing?  Making fun of Microsoft for having a lot of money?  You do know, don't you, that Apple has $145 billion on its books (versus the $60 billion on Micro$oft's)?


It wa$ meant to poke fun at Mr. Gate$.

Boo hoo.  Poor billionaire, people aren't flocking to buy his product.  Capitalism, how does it work?
 
2013-05-06 09:22:45 PM  

Mentat: I like Microsoft's commercial mocking Samsung and Apple for making phones people actually want to buy.


There's something completely pathological about Microsoft commercials. All of them have this awkward passive-aggressive nerd rage happening inside a dramatic divorce from reality.

I haven't seen anything this weird since the Furries.
 
2013-05-06 09:44:36 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: There's something completely pathological about Microsoft commercials. All of them have this awkward passive-aggressive nerd rage happening inside a dramatic divorce from reality.


I thought the "I'm a PC" were awfully defensive and passive aggressive.

Funny, but passive-aggressive.
 
2013-05-06 10:00:11 PM  
Can't speak for the Surface but the iPad sucks donkey cawk. Not since the Wii have so many expensive paperweights been sold.
 
2013-05-06 10:02:16 PM  
Lucky LaRue:

If I am just surfing the web,  watching live-streaming video, or doing the kind of stuff your iPad limits you to, then the keyboard is put up (of course, with the HDMI port, I have the option of plugging in to my TV so I can watch the movie/show with my friends and family).

If I want to get serious and write a report for work or put together a presentation, then I can break out the keyboard and do that, too.  All in one device


That is pretty much why I love my Surface.  I can swap between Angry Birds and Excel and do real work on it.      That is why the PR Campaign bothered me so much.  I'm a 44 year old business dude.  Who the fark are they selling to with this ad?   All I want to do is slap the shiat out of everyone at that table.

cdn.slashgear.com
 
2013-05-06 11:35:52 PM  

Rent Party: That is pretty much why I love my Surface. I can swap between Angry Birds and Excel and do real work on it. That is why the PR Campaign bothered me so much. I'm a 44 year old business dude. Who the fark are they selling to with this ad? All I want to do is slap the shiat out of everyone at that table.


BUT MOHAWK DUDE IS DANCING!  IT'S LIKE THAT MOHAWK DUDE AT NASA!  MICROSOFT IS COOL LIKE NASA!
 
2013-05-06 11:38:42 PM  

SirHolo: So, eventually, yes, I ... disabled Auto-update....


namatad: I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.


BojanglesPaladin: All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates.


There is some great reading comprehension going on in this thread.
 
2013-05-06 11:41:39 PM  

Greek: Flash is a broken joke at this point, and Adobe seems to have no desire to actually make it into a quality platform anymore. THAT is why Apple left it behind- it's junk.


Apple "left it behind" because it was competition for apps. Flash programs CAN be written badly, and often are, but it is up to 40 times faster at some graphics tasks than HTML5.

Adobe is withdrawing support for mobile browsers because they make no money on it. Flash or HTML5, Adobe writes the leading development tools for both. They get paid either way.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:41 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

I'd like it better if it had MS Office.  Or expandable memory.  Or an HDMI port.  Or any port, really..


You can get an HDMI adapter from Apple that will output your screen onto a tv or whatever. I got one on eBay for under $20.
 
2013-05-07 12:14:05 AM  

Tobin_Lam: SirHolo: So, eventually, yes, I ... disabled Auto-update....

namatad: I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.

BojanglesPaladin: All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates.

There is some great reading comprehension going on in this thread.


I have had them farkied as flaming morons for reasons I can't even remember. It's just who they are.

And to SirHolo's defense, a few years ago, the auto updater was horribly broken and would update/reboot without notice whether you turned it off or not:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283151

In addition, Microsoft refuses to allow 3rd parties to test prior to releasing patches. Every responsible IT department therefore must block updates at the firewall level and do severely underfunded internal testing before allowing updates to go through.

If Microsoft made cars, every third to thirteenth trip to the gas station would cause your vehicle to break down for reasons that would make you want to kick a puppy. It's why we get paid the decreasingly big bucks, I guess.
 
2013-05-07 12:37:24 AM  

Greek: Get with the times


So, *I* should get with the times, because my employer and clients have flash-enabled sites. Right. Got it.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:22 AM  
iPad has a MS word app it's called Pages. And it's only $9.99 if that's what you want to do on it.
 
2013-05-07 01:10:09 AM  

poot_rootbeer: likefunbutnot: I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support.

I've been trying to sell my wife on the idea of an Ainol 7", but she doesn't seem open to it.


Yeah, women generally do not want to go for ainol.
 
2013-05-07 02:45:18 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: Yes, of course. But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap. The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources. Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine. It's invisible to everyone else on the network. That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.


All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates. And you blame Microsoft for your failure to take even the most basic configuration steps (it even asks you how you want it set up when you install). You don't want the IT "weenies" to touch your stuff, and you proudly announce your inability to manage even the most basic IT tasks. I bet you hold the power button to turn off your workstation when you go home at night. Or do you just unplug it while running? No doubt you have a deep and thurough understanding of subatomic particles or microbiology or whatever, but you are clearly utterly unqualified to discuss computing devices.

There is a problem in you incredibly expensive and time wasting example. But the problem is you.


The problem is the lab manager, who is the only one with admin privileges (and the only one with access to turn AutoUpdate off).
 
2013-05-07 04:18:21 AM  
I farking hate Windows 8 on the PC. (I'm using a Windows 8 Laptop to type this now).

Inversely, I love the tablet and phone versions - they are vastly superior for me and how I use these devices.

So meh.
 
2013-05-07 07:47:01 AM  
The best tablet I have is my droi DNA phone.
Ipads seem clunky by comparison.  Maybe the iPad mini would work for me, but I already have a nexus 7 and it feels heavy.

The new thinner phones are wher its at.  Give me one of those with a 5 to 6 inch screen and an ultrabook and that's all I need.
 
2013-05-07 08:11:33 AM  

pisceandreamer: <I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.


True but by all accounts the hybrid keyboard/cover unit's keyboard... whilst an interesting take on the problem and such... isn't actually a very good keyboard for the price charged (it isn't or wasn't a standard in the box item).

dickfreckle:  How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


Hi! I'm your phone/slate!  Ohhh, you've installed a micro sd card that's sweet!  Wait, why are you putting large stuff on *pounds head in to brick wall* please *whamwhamwham* no *whamwhamwham*.  Hey don't throw me away because I'm slow you!

That's why they don't put a micro sd card in their stuff.  Everyone biatches when they run their device in to a brick wall of limited ioops.  Nobody ever calls the I/O of an idevice slow.  That why the Galaxy Nexus, the Google "this is how it's done" phone... doesn't have a micro sd card slot (or VGA or HDMI or anything else beyond its micro-usb port).
 
2013-05-07 08:34:51 AM  

Chemguy: Perhaps I am unreasonable.


A little yes.  Any fall fat tablet should be able to do 2 - 5, however it'll suck at 1.  Any slate should be able to do 1 but won't be too good at the others due to using your finger for the pointing device and not a wacom digitiser and stylus.

So Office's menu's would have to be dumbed down somewhat for the interface limitations; which doesn't sound like an acceptable compromise here.
 
2013-05-07 08:35:55 AM  

Vaneshi: pisceandreamer: <I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.

True but by all accounts the hybrid keyboard/cover unit's keyboard... whilst an interesting take on the problem and such... isn't actually a very good keyboard for the price charged (it isn't or wasn't a standard in the box item).

dickfreckle:  How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?

Hi! I'm your phone/slate!  Ohhh, you've installed a micro sd card that's sweet!  Wait, why are you putting large stuff on *pounds head in to brick wall* please *whamwhamwham* no *whamwhamwham*.  Hey don't throw me away because I'm slow you!

That's why they don't put a micro sd card in their stuff.  Everyone biatches when they run their device in to a brick wall of limited ioops.  Nobody ever calls the I/O of an idevice slow.  That why the Galaxy Nexus, the Google "this is how it's done" phone... doesn't have a micro sd card slot (or VGA or HDMI or anything else beyond its micro-usb port).


I have large HD video files that I play directly from my MicroSD card on both my Nook HD and my Asus Windows 8 tablet. They play fine. I don't have that option on my iPad mini.
The only reason to not have that option available is to make people pay for more storage, or to save money in the manufacture process.
 
2013-05-07 09:53:37 AM  

SirHolo: The problem is the lab manager, who is the only one with admin privileges (and the only one with access to turn AutoUpdate off).


Fair enough. But if you knew that, why blame the software maker for someone's inability to configure and use it correctly?

Don't misunderstand, There a zillion reasons to biatch about Microsoft (or any software maker, really) but that was a very poor example.
 
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