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2013-05-06 05:30:03 PM
Well, he's right, if his comments are taken exactly as they are.  A lot of people (which could be a tiny percentage when considering a population the size of iPad users) are frustrated with both of those things.  The keyboard is easily fixed, although at some extra cost.  The Office thing, though, perhaps not.
 
2013-05-06 05:34:25 PM
Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants.  Perhaps I am unreasonable.
 
2013-05-06 05:43:12 PM

Chemguy: I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants. Perhaps I am unreasonable.


Displayport and MicroHDMI are not THAT uncommon. If it bothers you to carry the adapters around, tape one to the end of your TV/monitor/projector. I have all the various goofy connectors in my tech bag, but the much more common problem for me is not being able to find a display device with a proper HDMI connection in the first place.

The Surface Pro doesn't do Intel Wireless Display, but Apple and Samsung both have proprietary screencasting applications that work with their product ecosystem.
 
2013-05-06 05:55:08 PM

Gnaglor: Why do people still think Gates makes decisions for Microsoft?


Probably because he's a chairman at the company?
 
2013-05-06 06:03:28 PM
Here's how I make my computing hardware purchase decisions:  Which item has:

(1) reliable hardware and
(2) an OS that gets out of my way and lets me do my work most efficiently?  Does it "just work?"

Before you snark, note that I use advanced scientific analysis software, programming languages, Photoshop, and other resource-hungry applications (as well as the usuals like Office) to do my work.

A computer is a tool.  It is, in fact, the tool that I use more than any other technical/scientific tool on any given day.  An hour wasted on resolving some update-related conflict is an hour of my time lost.

At the end of the day, all I care about is whether the tool lets me do my thing without hassling me with constant update notifications, BSODs, excessive customization options, etc.  A consistent interface is a plus.

/CSB
A few years ago, a Microsoft AutoUpdate broke a particular piece of chemical-analysis software that is present in essentially every university and private-company lab, called INCA, used for SEM and TEM chemical analysis.  Users world-wide were unable to use their often $2M+ instruments for chemical analysis, because the "update" broke functionality.  Millions of $$$ wasted in lost productivity, hassling the instrument manufacturer (Oxford Instruments), and in scientific-staff time wasted trying to resolve the screw-up.  Did MS pay for a nickel of these several days of wasted productivity?  Nope.

/CSB #2
I've had overnight scans on scientific instruments fail due to MS Auto-updates.  That is, expensive experiments in terms of my hourly usage charges.  Why?  Well, Auto-update force-quits every application and restarts the computer that is controlling the expensive instrument.  All data collected was lost, but I was still charged for instrument-time, and had to do the whole experiment again from the start later on.  So, eventually, yes, I gained access to the Admin account and disabled Auto-update, but that is a Band-Aid applied after the fact.

MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.

And don't get me started on how much it costs to re-train the secretarial pool every time MS revamps "MS Office."  It's all money down the drain.
 
2013-05-06 06:03:28 PM
the best idea ive seen are the convertible tablets that can be docked onto a real keyboard with its own battery and storage. in this way you can go 'mobile' and take your tablet with you for light use and portability, but can dock it for 'laptop' mode at your desk when you need to get more work done on an extended charge. pretty cool, and only real need to have the duality of the Windows 8 interface. otherwise I've stated that they should have a one-or-the-other option when selecting an interface for your device.
 
2013-05-06 06:04:45 PM

likefunbutnot: I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support.


I've been trying to sell my wife on the idea of an Ainol 7", but she doesn't seem open to it.
 
2013-05-06 06:06:44 PM

Chemguy: Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants.  Perhaps I am unreasonable.


Wait for Haswell, due out later this year.
 
2013-05-06 06:11:11 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??


All right, time to change you from favourited as "idiot" to ignoring you. God DAMN, you're annoying.
 
2013-05-06 06:15:29 PM
I owned an iPad once, apparently it voids the warranty if you smash it into an Apple Geniuses face in frustration.
 
2013-05-06 06:20:33 PM
I'll be honest.  The Microsoft Surface doesn't confuse me a bit.  Nor does the iPad.

This is probably because I have an Android.
 
2013-05-06 06:23:34 PM

likefunbutnot: BojanglesPaladin: wildcardjack: I'd like to have a Cintiq merged into a standalone tablet.

YMMV, but the Surface Pro is pretty darn close. Pressure sensitive pen stylus, and since it's Windows 8, you can actually get programs that will support it. I've done a fair amount of sketching with Sketchbook, and it ain't half bad. MUCH better for taking notes.

(hella better than the blunt magic marker stylus on the iPad or Androids)

Of course I still prefer an actual PC with a big 'ol Wacom Intuos 18x12.

Lenovo has a thing you will both be very interested in owning.


(I actually have the Lenovo Yoga too.)

That's nice, but at 27", it's not exactly suitable for me to sketch doodles on the couch, you know? And for that price I can get a decent touch monitor to go with my existing rig, where I would do any serious work anyway.

..... but it does look nice.
 
2013-05-06 06:25:13 PM

SirHolo: MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.


You do of course know that there's an option to change the date and time the the system will install updates and that it's pathetically simple to administer those settings on an organization-wide basis, right?
 
2013-05-06 06:36:58 PM

Chemguy: Tablet wants:

1) Battery life that doesn't require me to recharge partway through the day, and play catch-up for the remainder of the day.
2) Full interaction with workflow conducted in MS Office, full MS Office functionality.
3) Ability to customize performance and interface of browsers and productivity software.
4) Ability to connect to HDMI without having to carry around extra equipment.
5) Ability to use third-party software as designed for a desktop, not a tablet version of desktop software.

I've not yet found a tablet that meets all of these wants. Perhaps I am unreasonable


I know I sound like I have stock in Microsoft, but the Surface PRO does almost all of that, although it's more like 6 hours of regular use before you need to go find a charger. It's comparable to a laptop (which it effectively is). Also it has HDMI built in, but it is micro HDMI, so you may still need an adapter.

The Lenovo Yoga will do all of that too, but If I remember without checking it has standard HDMI. But it's a little big and heavy compared to a 10" tablet. It's really a full size laptop that folds back on itself.

Both of them can run the exact same software you would install on your desktop, and allow you to tweak things just as you would on a desktop Windows 8 PC.

That being said, you don't mention any need for touch, so why not just get a decent laptop?
 
2013-05-06 06:45:21 PM

BojanglesPaladin: it's more like 6 hours of regular use before you need to go find a charger.


Six hours is awfully optimistic. I usually see about four and a half out of mine and the one time tried gaming on it (League of Legends) it was more like two.
 
2013-05-06 07:00:45 PM
Theaetetus: Yes, it's more expensive than an SD card, and yes, it won't help if you don't have an Internet connection, but as you note, it's a tradeoff that will piss off .01% of people (who probably wouldn't be Apple customers  anyway) in exchange for a better user experience for the remainder.

docs.google.com


.01% ?

Android grows by market share everyday.
YOU can add to the code yourself.
It's free.

Apple rapes you and convinces you that you're in  Twilight.  (They are protecting you from evil, you're special and they love you).
 
2013-05-06 07:01:07 PM

likefunbutnot: SirHolo: MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.

You do of course know that there's an option to change the date and time the the system will install updates and that it's pathetically simple to administer those settings on an organization-wide basis, right?


Yes, of course.  But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap.  The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources.  Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine.  It's invisible to everyone else on the network.  That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.
 
2013-05-06 07:13:56 PM

likefunbutnot: Six hours is awfully optimistic. I usually see about four and a half out of mine and the one time tried gaming on it (League of Legends) it was more like two.


A with all battery life, YMMV. I can check e-mail, watch a video, browse the internet, play music, work on docs and doodle for about 6 hours. Haven;t even tried real gaming on a tablet, because.. why?

I also know Bejeweled Blitz on my iPad can drain the iPad in less than three hours.
 
2013-05-06 07:19:59 PM
I loved my iPads. My mom loves hers.

HOWEVER, I hated the price. I couldn't justify having to spend that much to have more storage space (because you can't just add an SD card: YOU NEED A WHOLE NEW IPAD!) and so I sold off my iPad and went for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, and I love it.

The only thing I miss from iPad is Pages, which really is an excellent word processor. However, the ability to use a Bluetooth mouse on Android Jellybean makes up for the less-flashy word processing apps. The Tab is a really great tablet. And I suspect the rest of the Samsung line is equally as nice.

I had other Android tablets, and they didn't please me half as much as the Samsung.

I am pretty certain that my next tablet is going to be either a Samsung Note 10.1 (with a notebook dock) or an Asus Transformer. I won't even bother with a 7" tablet anymore because I also have an iPod touch that handles the smaller tasks.

I have nothing against the iPad outside of the limited upgradability (no SD card slot, and you need expensive dongles to do anything else), but Apple's pricing is restrictive and unnecessary when comparable tablets are now able to keep up, look just as good, work just as well, and cost half the price.
 
2013-05-06 07:22:16 PM

babygoat: gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk

What is wrong with you?


I've never seen someone come out and post "PUT ME ON YOUR IGNORE LIST PL0X" until gingerjet posted.
 
2013-05-06 07:36:27 PM

SirHolo: /CSB
A few years ago, a Microsoft AutoUpdate broke a particular piece of chemical-analysis software that is present in essentially every university and private-company lab, called INCA, used for SEM and TEM chemical analysis.  Users world-wide were unable to use their often $2M+ instruments for chemical analysis, because the "update" broke functionality.  Millions of $$$ wasted in lost productivity, hassling the instrument manufacturer (Oxford Instruments), and in scientific-staff time wasted trying to resolve the screw-up.  Did MS pay for a nickel of these several days of wasted productivity?  Nope.

/CSB #2
I've had overnight scans on scientific instruments fail due to MS Auto-updates.  That is, expensive experiments in terms of my hourly usage charges.  Why?  Well, Auto-update force-quits every application and restarts the computer that is controlling the expensive instrument.  All data collected was lost, but I was still charged for instrument-time, and had to do the whole experiment again from the start later on.  So, eventually, yes, I gained access to the Admin account and disabled Auto-update, but that is a Band-Aid applied after the fact.

MS has cost me and countless other researchers millions of dollars in lost productivity due to their stupid Windows-system policies.


I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.
My car has cruise control, but I dont use it while parking.

seriously, you leave a retarded feature turned on and then complain that the feature works the way it is expected to work?
DERPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
 
2013-05-06 07:39:06 PM

Kibbler: I'll be honest.  The Microsoft Surface doesn't confuse me a bit.  Nor does the iPad.

This is probably because I have an Android.


heh
I have a tool. the tool does what I want. it does what it was designed to do.
TADA

I rarely complain that it is unable to travel in time or exceed the speed of light.
 
2013-05-06 07:44:19 PM

RexTalionis: [icdn1.digitaltrends.com image 625x383]

No, iCloud, I don't want you to download my entire photostream into my friend's PC so I can show them one picture! Give me a browser interface!


I don't use Microsoft's Skydrive (yet), but I checked it out, and it's completely accessible through any browser on any OS. It even has a "public" folder to share files, like the picture you want to show your friend, without entering your login info onto his computer.
 
2013-05-06 07:46:29 PM

ZeroCorpse: I am pretty certain that my next tablet is going to be either a Samsung Note 10.1 (with a notebook dock) or an Asus Transformer.


I'm a big fan of the Asus Transformer and I own the first and last generation. (I prefer the Surface largely for OS and stylus reasons.) If you like Android, it's a great system and with the battery keyboard, it gets up to 16 hours of life. It is the one I use on international trips, for instance, becausee I can watch multiple movies on a single fresh charge.

And nowadays, Android has effectively closed the App gap. I can't really think of anything I want or need that the Apple Store has that I can't find on Google Play.
 
2013-05-06 07:57:03 PM

Without Fail: .01% ?

Android grows by market share everyday.
YOU can add to the code yourself.
It's free.

Apple rapes you and convinces you that you're in  Twilight.  (They are protecting you from evil, you're special and they love you).


You forgot to switch to your Android_Yes sockpuppet.
 
2013-05-06 08:11:02 PM

SirHolo: Yes, of course. But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap. The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources. Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine. It's invisible to everyone else on the network. That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.



All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates. And you blame Microsoft for your failure to take even the most basic configuration steps (it even asks you how you want it set up when you install). You don't want the IT "weenies" to touch your stuff, and you proudly announce your inability to manage even the most basic IT tasks. I bet you hold the power button to turn off your workstation when you go home at night. Or do you just unplug it while running? No doubt you have a deep and thurough understanding of subatomic particles or microbiology or whatever, but you are clearly utterly unqualified to discuss computing devices.

There is a problem in you incredibly expensive and time wasting example. But the problem is you.
 
2013-05-06 08:18:29 PM

poot_rootbeer: You forgot to switch to your Android_Yes sockpuppet.


Nope. I'm an agnostic.
I just prefer freedom to tyranny.
 
2013-05-06 08:49:12 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: gingerjet: PC LOAD LETTER: I like expandable memory in my products. I don't like something weighing a ton. I don't like the lack of Flash. I like screens that aren't fingerprint magnets. I like apps that don't crash all the bloody time. I don't like one button to do everything. A menu button is useful. I don't like to be spoon fed "approved" apps, some of which might be good, some of which might be bad. I don't like iTunes, especially when you have more than one profile in a household. I don't like the price for the tablet.

Outside of bad restaurant websites, games that suck, and porn - what is flash really used for?  Anyone who states they miss flash I know doesn't use their computer for anything remotely useful.

/the rest of your statements are just hateboi talk

"what is flash really used for?"

Uhh I dunno, several sites for my company and clients? My wife has an iPad that I borrow from time to time. I may even wind up reluctantly getting one myself for my photo portfolio. You farking fanbois are all the same: defend the queen at all costs. Apple farking sucks. They suck less than the rest, but for flash, they suck more. Don't tell me what I need. That's the Apple disease: convincing us we don't need something we use.


I have an Android phone. And I don't have Flash installed. I did, briefly. I figured it would be nice to see some of the stuff I missed when I had my iPhone. It sucks down the battery and crashes repeatedly... even when not in use. And 99% of the time the ONLY thing I miss without it installed is some stupid flash- based ad that probably auto- plays a video or music or does something else obnoxious. I am glad I got rid of it. I'm sorry, but in this day and age, if you still use Flash for something critical, you're like someone who STILL has AOL. Flash is a broken joke at this point, and Adobe seems to have no desire to actually make it into a quality platform anymore. THAT is why Apple left it behind- it's junk. Get with the times, and use a platform that isn't a resource- hogging, crashing, battery- eating pile of dog poo.
 
2013-05-06 08:52:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: teto85: $ound$ like a per$onal problem.

Is that really still a thing?  Making fun of Microsoft for having a lot of money?  You do know, don't you, that Apple has $145 billion on its books (versus the $60 billion on Micro$oft's)?


It wa$ meant to poke fun at Mr. Gate$.

Boo hoo.  Poor billionaire, people aren't flocking to buy his product.  Capitalism, how does it work?
 
2013-05-06 09:22:45 PM

Mentat: I like Microsoft's commercial mocking Samsung and Apple for making phones people actually want to buy.


There's something completely pathological about Microsoft commercials. All of them have this awkward passive-aggressive nerd rage happening inside a dramatic divorce from reality.

I haven't seen anything this weird since the Furries.
 
2013-05-06 09:44:36 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: There's something completely pathological about Microsoft commercials. All of them have this awkward passive-aggressive nerd rage happening inside a dramatic divorce from reality.


I thought the "I'm a PC" were awfully defensive and passive aggressive.

Funny, but passive-aggressive.
 
2013-05-06 10:00:11 PM
Can't speak for the Surface but the iPad sucks donkey cawk. Not since the Wii have so many expensive paperweights been sold.
 
2013-05-06 10:02:16 PM
Lucky LaRue:

If I am just surfing the web,  watching live-streaming video, or doing the kind of stuff your iPad limits you to, then the keyboard is put up (of course, with the HDMI port, I have the option of plugging in to my TV so I can watch the movie/show with my friends and family).

If I want to get serious and write a report for work or put together a presentation, then I can break out the keyboard and do that, too.  All in one device


That is pretty much why I love my Surface.  I can swap between Angry Birds and Excel and do real work on it.      That is why the PR Campaign bothered me so much.  I'm a 44 year old business dude.  Who the fark are they selling to with this ad?   All I want to do is slap the shiat out of everyone at that table.

cdn.slashgear.com
 
2013-05-06 11:35:52 PM

Rent Party: That is pretty much why I love my Surface. I can swap between Angry Birds and Excel and do real work on it. That is why the PR Campaign bothered me so much. I'm a 44 year old business dude. Who the fark are they selling to with this ad? All I want to do is slap the shiat out of everyone at that table.


BUT MOHAWK DUDE IS DANCING!  IT'S LIKE THAT MOHAWK DUDE AT NASA!  MICROSOFT IS COOL LIKE NASA!
 
2013-05-06 11:38:42 PM

SirHolo: So, eventually, yes, I ... disabled Auto-update....


namatad: I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.


BojanglesPaladin: All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates.


There is some great reading comprehension going on in this thread.
 
2013-05-06 11:41:39 PM

Greek: Flash is a broken joke at this point, and Adobe seems to have no desire to actually make it into a quality platform anymore. THAT is why Apple left it behind- it's junk.


Apple "left it behind" because it was competition for apps. Flash programs CAN be written badly, and often are, but it is up to 40 times faster at some graphics tasks than HTML5.

Adobe is withdrawing support for mobile browsers because they make no money on it. Flash or HTML5, Adobe writes the leading development tools for both. They get paid either way.
 
2013-05-07 12:13:41 AM

Lucky LaRue: Jon iz teh kewl: PC LOAD LETTER: MS channels you into poor UI. Apple channels you into annoying UI. Android doesn't channel you, but it's still annoying.

I have yet to find a tablet I like.

i don't see a problem with iPad at ALL.  maybe your drinking something? bad???
 like turpentine??

I'd like it better if it had MS Office.  Or expandable memory.  Or an HDMI port.  Or any port, really..


You can get an HDMI adapter from Apple that will output your screen onto a tv or whatever. I got one on eBay for under $20.
 
2013-05-07 12:14:05 AM

Tobin_Lam: SirHolo: So, eventually, yes, I ... disabled Auto-update....

namatad: I found your problem.
You are too stupid to turn off auto-updates.

BojanglesPaladin: All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates.

There is some great reading comprehension going on in this thread.


I have had them farkied as flaming morons for reasons I can't even remember. It's just who they are.

And to SirHolo's defense, a few years ago, the auto updater was horribly broken and would update/reboot without notice whether you turned it off or not:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283151

In addition, Microsoft refuses to allow 3rd parties to test prior to releasing patches. Every responsible IT department therefore must block updates at the firewall level and do severely underfunded internal testing before allowing updates to go through.

If Microsoft made cars, every third to thirteenth trip to the gas station would cause your vehicle to break down for reasons that would make you want to kick a puppy. It's why we get paid the decreasingly big bucks, I guess.
 
2013-05-07 12:37:24 AM

Greek: Get with the times


So, *I* should get with the times, because my employer and clients have flash-enabled sites. Right. Got it.
 
2013-05-07 01:08:22 AM
iPad has a MS word app it's called Pages. And it's only $9.99 if that's what you want to do on it.
 
2013-05-07 01:10:09 AM

poot_rootbeer: likefunbutnot: I've been recommending the Ainol Novo Venus 7. $125 for a 16GB, 1280x800 7" IPS tablet that has fully Google Play support.

I've been trying to sell my wife on the idea of an Ainol 7", but she doesn't seem open to it.


Yeah, women generally do not want to go for ainol.
 
2013-05-07 02:45:18 AM

BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: Yes, of course. But only if you have Admin-privileges.

Further, scientists tend to protect their expensive equipment from the "IT morons" who only want control, and care nothing about your abilities to use your hardware.

Today, most high-$$$ equipment is hidden behind a firewall in a dual-internet-card Wintel or Linux box, to prevent this sort of crap. The IT weenies never see it, and the scientist gets total control over when and how the machine "may" access any external resources. Typically, it's just a mirror to a hard drive on the firewalling machine. It's invisible to everyone else on the network. That, or we use USB-sticks and sneaker-net to get our data off.

So, yes, it is easy to firewall, but the manager of the lab facility has to have the insight and the energy to set this kind of protection up.


All that pointless work around and no one is smart enough to turn off auto-updates. And you blame Microsoft for your failure to take even the most basic configuration steps (it even asks you how you want it set up when you install). You don't want the IT "weenies" to touch your stuff, and you proudly announce your inability to manage even the most basic IT tasks. I bet you hold the power button to turn off your workstation when you go home at night. Or do you just unplug it while running? No doubt you have a deep and thurough understanding of subatomic particles or microbiology or whatever, but you are clearly utterly unqualified to discuss computing devices.

There is a problem in you incredibly expensive and time wasting example. But the problem is you.


The problem is the lab manager, who is the only one with admin privileges (and the only one with access to turn AutoUpdate off).
 
2013-05-07 04:18:21 AM
I farking hate Windows 8 on the PC. (I'm using a Windows 8 Laptop to type this now).

Inversely, I love the tablet and phone versions - they are vastly superior for me and how I use these devices.

So meh.
 
2013-05-07 07:47:01 AM
The best tablet I have is my droi DNA phone.
Ipads seem clunky by comparison.  Maybe the iPad mini would work for me, but I already have a nexus 7 and it feels heavy.

The new thinner phones are wher its at.  Give me one of those with a 5 to 6 inch screen and an ultrabook and that's all I need.
 
2013-05-07 08:11:33 AM

pisceandreamer: <I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.


True but by all accounts the hybrid keyboard/cover unit's keyboard... whilst an interesting take on the problem and such... isn't actually a very good keyboard for the price charged (it isn't or wasn't a standard in the box item).

dickfreckle:  How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?


Hi! I'm your phone/slate!  Ohhh, you've installed a micro sd card that's sweet!  Wait, why are you putting large stuff on *pounds head in to brick wall* please *whamwhamwham* no *whamwhamwham*.  Hey don't throw me away because I'm slow you!

That's why they don't put a micro sd card in their stuff.  Everyone biatches when they run their device in to a brick wall of limited ioops.  Nobody ever calls the I/O of an idevice slow.  That why the Galaxy Nexus, the Google "this is how it's done" phone... doesn't have a micro sd card slot (or VGA or HDMI or anything else beyond its micro-usb port).
 
2013-05-07 08:34:51 AM

Chemguy: Perhaps I am unreasonable.


A little yes.  Any fall fat tablet should be able to do 2 - 5, however it'll suck at 1.  Any slate should be able to do 1 but won't be too good at the others due to using your finger for the pointing device and not a wacom digitiser and stylus.

So Office's menu's would have to be dumbed down somewhat for the interface limitations; which doesn't sound like an acceptable compromise here.
 
2013-05-07 08:35:55 AM

Vaneshi: pisceandreamer: <I>thinks that many of its users are "frustrated" because it doesn't come with a physical keyboard and it lacks access to Microsoft Office</i>

You can get a physical keyboard for it.

True but by all accounts the hybrid keyboard/cover unit's keyboard... whilst an interesting take on the problem and such... isn't actually a very good keyboard for the price charged (it isn't or wasn't a standard in the box item).

dickfreckle:  How would a "fanboy" explain Apple's infinite wisdom in not including the same slot every other manufacturer does?

Hi! I'm your phone/slate!  Ohhh, you've installed a micro sd card that's sweet!  Wait, why are you putting large stuff on *pounds head in to brick wall* please *whamwhamwham* no *whamwhamwham*.  Hey don't throw me away because I'm slow you!

That's why they don't put a micro sd card in their stuff.  Everyone biatches when they run their device in to a brick wall of limited ioops.  Nobody ever calls the I/O of an idevice slow.  That why the Galaxy Nexus, the Google "this is how it's done" phone... doesn't have a micro sd card slot (or VGA or HDMI or anything else beyond its micro-usb port).


I have large HD video files that I play directly from my MicroSD card on both my Nook HD and my Asus Windows 8 tablet. They play fine. I don't have that option on my iPad mini.
The only reason to not have that option available is to make people pay for more storage, or to save money in the manufacture process.
 
2013-05-07 09:53:37 AM

SirHolo: The problem is the lab manager, who is the only one with admin privileges (and the only one with access to turn AutoUpdate off).


Fair enough. But if you knew that, why blame the software maker for someone's inability to configure and use it correctly?

Don't misunderstand, There a zillion reasons to biatch about Microsoft (or any software maker, really) but that was a very poor example.
 
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