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(Outside The Redzone)   Judging from the attendance, it's not hard to ignore the fact that the Miami Marlins have won five of eight after a 5-19 start   (outsidetheredzone.com) divider line 51
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2013-05-06 02:25:47 PM
The city just needs to build them 81 new stadiums. Every night there's an "Opening Day" bump!
 
2013-05-06 02:46:40 PM
Contract them or move them to Portland.  Tampa Bay can get contracted or moved to Salt Lake City.
 
2013-05-06 02:49:30 PM
They may have to take the fish from behind home plate to feed the team.
 
2013-05-06 02:52:56 PM
And with the Toronto Ex Marlins Blue Jays also flailing to start the season, I think there's a "anything Loria touches" curse in play.
 
2013-05-06 02:56:27 PM
In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the attendance you haven't, the Marlins have managed to lose a few here and there, and are threatening to kick the Astros out of the cellar.
 
2013-05-06 03:00:00 PM
So, they're *adds on fingers* 10-22?

That's not good. That's not the sign of a team playing good baseball. I don't think I'd go out of my way to watch that team play.
 
2013-05-06 03:08:22 PM
I feel bad for wanting the Marlins to fail because of the douchbaggery surrounding the stadium and the owner.
 
2013-05-06 03:09:16 PM
5 of 8 in the past 13 games and 10-22? Totally worthy of a greenlight.

Then again, that kind of record gets you into the playoffs in the NBA in the East.
 
2013-05-06 03:10:24 PM
they still have a team
 
2013-05-06 03:10:58 PM
I think some sportswriters and bloggers are willfully ignorant of the importance of sample size. The 1962 Mets, generally acknowledged as the worst team in baseball history, managed a 6-2 record on three overlapping occasions.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/streaks.cgi?games=8&year=196 2& SHOW=TOT&includes=nospan_years&game_start=10&game_end=135&teams=NYM&or derby=wins&submit=Find+Streaks
 
2013-05-06 03:12:00 PM
I just can't get over that home-run statue thing. I was trying to describe it to my girlfriend. She thought I was exaggerating about how ridiculous and tacky it looks.

She thought that, until I showed her a youtube video of it.
 
2013-05-06 03:16:06 PM
They're still sh*tty.
 
2013-05-06 03:17:01 PM

the_rev: She thought that, until I showed her a youtube video of it.


I'm still surprised the management didn't blink at the idea of building something that, from my standpoint, seems like a testament to some outdated stereotype/perception of the city. I'd liken it to if the Mariners decided to redo the outfield wall in Safeco to be entirely made of red flannel and a giant Kurt Cobain monument that lights up after HRs or a win.
 
2013-05-06 03:21:06 PM
At least the Marlins can't blame the weather. It seem that if KC is playing at home we are going to get an inch of rain
 
2013-05-06 03:21:46 PM

Killer Cars: the_rev: She thought that, until I showed her a youtube video of it.

I'm still surprised the management didn't blink at the idea of building something that, from my standpoint, seems like a testament to some outdated stereotype/perception of the city. I'd liken it to if the Mariners decided to redo the outfield wall in Safeco to be entirely made of red flannel and a giant Kurt Cobain monument that lights up after HRs or a win.


To be fair, that is the current perception of Seattle, by anyone not from there.
 
2013-05-06 03:25:00 PM
RUNS
98, 30th Overall
BATTING AVERAGE
.228, 30th Overall
ON BASE PERCENTAGE
.291, 29th Overall
SLUGGING PCT
.327, 30th Overall

ERA
4.02, 18th Overall
QUALITY STARTS
14, 21st Overall
WHIP
1.31, 20th Overall
BAA
.253, 18th Overall

Gee, why aren't more fans there to watch mediocre pitching and next to no hitting???
 
2013-05-06 03:27:06 PM
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R.I.P. Marlins
 
2013-05-06 03:31:56 PM
So is this the plan?  The Marlins are to finish in dead last so the owner can move them to Miami for some luxury boxes and a golf membership at Palm Springs?

www.realtvcritics.com
 
2013-05-06 03:32:13 PM
To everyone saying that the team should be contracted or moved: I hope you were fans of the Seattle Supersonics!


Contraction is dumb.  People claim that there are too many teams, and that dilutes the talent level of the league, but that just isn't how it works when the population is growing so fast and the talent pool has expanded to other countries.  There are probably enough good baseball players out there to expand the league again.
 
2013-05-06 03:35:01 PM

NetOwl: To everyone saying that the team should be contracted or moved: I hope you were fans of the Seattle Supersonics!


Contraction is dumb.  People claim that there are too many teams, and that dilutes the talent level of the league, but that just isn't how it works when the population is growing so fast and the talent pool has expanded to other countries.  There are probably enough good baseball players out there to expand the league again.


There's a good argument that the Marlins should be moved, since their fanbase/location/stadium/etc sucks.  But they're not moving right after building that park.

The Rays should be moved.  Have a good team and can't sell out games?  Move.  Stop whining about bridges.

But contraction?  That's silly.  In the mid 90s, before people caught on to juice the argument for why offense was up was that pitching talent was "diluted."  Why only pitching, and not hitting as well?  "Because."
 
2013-05-06 03:37:07 PM
You know what they say, fool me 19 times, shame on you...
 
2013-05-06 03:38:48 PM
Two of those wins were over the Mets, so this is hardly a point of pride.
 
2013-05-06 03:38:55 PM

NetOwl: To everyone saying that the team should be contracted or moved: I hope you were fans of the Seattle Supersonics!


Contraction is dumb.  People claim that there are too many teams, and that dilutes the talent level of the league, but that just isn't how it works when the population is growing so fast and the talent pool has expanded to other countries.  There are probably enough good baseball players out there to expand the league again.


It's also financially idiotic. The only way contraction will happen in any sport is if the league itself is on the brink of collapsing. Only then, as a last desperate attempt to keep the offices open, will contraction happen.
 
2013-05-06 03:39:44 PM

apacheco: they still have a team


They'll fix that problem in the off season and trade away any potential talent for a sack of roadside shrimp and a handful of flour tortillas.

The worst thing that could happen to this team is for them to do well.  Then, Loria can rationalize blowing up the team every two seconds because they are still doing well and are just "rebuilding".
 
2013-05-06 03:52:42 PM

Dafatone: n the mid 90s, before people caught on to juice the argument for why offense was up was that pitching talent was "diluted." Why only pitching, and not hitting as well? "Because."


Pedro Martinez's stat lines vs. the Devil Rays:

1998: 8.0 IP, 6K, 1H, 2BB
1999: 15.0 IP, 23K, 14H, 3BB
2000: 22.0 IP, 36K, 13H, 1BB
2001: 23.2 IP, 39K, 20H, 5BB
2002: 14.0 IP, 19K, 9H, 3BB

He had some big, big strikeout performances against some sucky DRays teams.
 
2013-05-06 03:53:58 PM
fark the Marlins. I hate the fact they built a huge new ugly stadium that nobody asked for, for a team that nobody cared for. What the fark is the point? The Brewers did it the right way -- they build a new stadium, get ownership that wants to win and then invest more money into the team. It's been paying off, with off-nights still pulling in 10K+ fans, and generally consistently drawing 20k people. The Marlins are lucky to pull in 20k people in a week of ticket sales. farking pathetic
 
2013-05-06 03:54:37 PM
The only way any MLB team will move is if the team goes bankrupt ala Expos/Nationals.  The league will not let an owner move after almost losing their Anti-trust exemption in 72.
 
2013-05-06 03:57:44 PM

FrancoFile: Contract them or move them to Portland.  Tampa Bay can get contracted or moved to Salt Lake City.


If they're going to contract Tampa Bay, could Kansas City have Wil Myers back? The Royals need a new RF.
 
2013-05-06 04:04:01 PM

FrancoFile: Contract them or move them to Portland.  Tampa Bay can get contracted or moved to Salt Lake City.


The new stadium means the Marlins are now effectively trapped in Miami for the foreseeable future. You can't tear a stadium down after two seasons, much as you'd like to. The Rays would be the only ones moving. The Marlins are just going to sit there for the next couple decades and be a blight on the game.
 
2013-05-06 04:14:58 PM

GoldSpider: Two of those wins were over the Mets, so this is hardly a point of pride.


You forgot the two over the Phillies and the one over the Cubs.  And they had to make sure to exclude the 2 losses to the Cubs before that.  But hey, the Marlins only slightly sucked for 8 games against three teams that are a combined 37-54.  Yay small sample sizes and bad opposition.

\The Marlins are the only team in MLB that doesn't have a winning record against any other team.  Even Houston can beat up on someone.
\\Seriousy Seattle, how do you lose 2 series to the Astros?
 
2013-05-06 04:15:29 PM

Mr.Poops: fark the Marlins. I hate the fact they built a huge new ugly stadium that nobody asked for, for a team that nobody cared for. What the fark is the point? The Brewers did it the right way -- they build a new stadium, get ownership that wants to win and then invest more money into the team. It's been paying off, with off-nights still pulling in 10K+ fans, and generally consistently drawing 20k people. The Marlins are lucky to pull in 20k people in a week of ticket sales. farking pathetic


Say what you will about Marge Schott- and there's a LOT that you can say that's negative- she was the greatest owner imaginable when I was a kid. She understood that if you keep a few of the ticket prices low enough, kids will come to the stadium. Once they get in that habit, they'll keep coming as they grow up.

I can remember many a fine summer day where my ticket to Riverfront was $3, and I think a hot dog was about a buck.
 
2013-05-06 04:16:38 PM
That's all we got?  One goddamn hit?
 
2013-05-06 04:17:57 PM

buckeyebrain: That's all we got?  One goddamn hit?


(You can't say "goddamn" on the air!)
 
2013-05-06 04:18:32 PM

Fun Dumpster: Then, Loria can rationalize blowing up the team every two seconds because they are still doing well and are just "rebuilding".


When CAN'T Loria rationalize blowing up a team?

// he's never tried chop-shopping a contender in August, but it's just potato enough to work
 
2013-05-06 04:43:17 PM
with the NHL and NBA playoffs, and the recent NFL draft and LOL-ing about Tebow, i forgot baseball even existed until i saw this headline.
 
2013-05-06 04:44:15 PM

Wellon Dowd: I think some sportswriters and bloggers are willfully ignorant of the importance of sample size. The 1962 Mets, generally acknowledged as the worst team in baseball history, managed a 6-2 record on three overlapping occasions.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/streaks.cgi?games=8&year=196 2& SHOW=TOT&includes=nospan_years&game_start=10&game_end=135&teams=NYM&or derby=wins&submit=Find+Streaks


Only some?
 
2013-05-06 05:01:12 PM

Killer Cars: I'd liken it to if the Mariners decided to redo the outfield wall in Safeco to be entirely made of red flannel and a giant Kurt Cobain monument that lights up after HRs or a win.


Could fireworks shoot out of the back of the Kurt Cobain monument's head after home runs? Because I think I would drive up to Seattle to see something like that.
 
2013-05-06 05:10:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

The Marlins attendance, considering horrific ownership decisions, isn't *that* bad.  You may only see the Mierda Fountain in the outfield on TV, but besides that and the politics around it, it's a beautiful ballpark.  Baseball belongs in South Florida.  Deal with it.
 
2013-05-06 05:22:55 PM

CastorTroy: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

The Marlins attendance, considering horrific ownership decisions, isn't *that* bad.  You may only see the Mierda Fountain in the outfield on TV, but besides that and the politics around it, it's a beautiful ballpark.  Baseball belongs in South Florida.  Deal with it.


The Marlins attendance figures are a fabrication.
 
2013-05-06 05:28:16 PM

Yanks_RSJ: CastorTroy: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

The Marlins attendance, considering horrific ownership decisions, isn't *that* bad.  You may only see the Mierda Fountain in the outfield on TV, but besides that and the politics around it, it's a beautiful ballpark.  Baseball belongs in South Florida.  Deal with it.

The Marlins attendance figures are a fabrication.


Oh, I'm not arguing against that at all.  All I can tell you is, I go to some of the games.  There's people there enjoying themselves.  I watch other teams on MLB.TV, and attendance at other parks looks *way* down this year.  Hell, even Yankee games look empty this year.  I know attendance isn't counted as gate count, but tickets sold.  I guess I'm just tired of people picking on Marlins fans (or the supposed lack thereof).
 
2013-05-06 05:31:29 PM
And as far as that picture of the lone fan in the upper deck of Marlins Park?  That picture can be taken in any MLB ballpark.  If you're sitting in the upper deck of Marlins Park, you're doing it wrong.

blogs.palmbeachpost.com
 
2013-05-06 05:32:32 PM

CastorTroy: Hell, even Yankee games look empty this year.  I know attendance isn't counted as gate count, but tickets sold.


It's not even tickets "sold" it's how many are "distributed".  Which counts tickets given to radio stations to give away for promotions or area car dealerships who were giving them away for merely taking a test drive.  They count regardless of whether or not they're actually even claimed, which is just sad.

And yes, the Yankees attendance is noticeably down, but in typical Yankee fashion they haven't done anything to make the tickets less expensive.  And we also just got spring weather here last week, I won't go to a ballgame in sub-60 degree weather unless it's the playoffs.
 
2013-05-06 05:35:10 PM

Wellon Dowd: The 1962 Mets, generally acknowledged as the worst team in baseball history,


The 1899 Cleveland Spiders would like a word with you.
 
2013-05-06 05:41:01 PM
So they're still playing .300 baseball?  Thumbs up, subby.
 
2013-05-06 05:45:56 PM

CastorTroy: And as far as that picture of the lone fan in the upper deck of Marlins Park?  That picture can be taken in any MLB ballpark.  If you're sitting in the upper deck of Marlins Park, you're doing it wrong.

[blogs.palmbeachpost.com image 619x412]


That's actually a pretty fun picture on several levels. Only the guys on the left seem to notice "hey, there's hot chicks over here!", and towards the right, I think the guy in the grey hat is being reprimanded by his better half for probably not paying enough attention to the game itself.
 
2013-05-06 05:47:08 PM
And to think: there is still one team in baseball worse than the Marlins. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present YOUR Major League Baseball Cellar Dwellers as of May 6th, 2013, the 8-24 Houston Astros!
 
2013-05-06 05:51:28 PM

Unauthorized Bratwurst: Wellon Dowd: The 1962 Mets, generally acknowledged as the worst team in baseball history,

The 1899 Cleveland Spiders would like a word with you.


They generally discount any team from before the "modern" era, which tends to mean most anything from before 1900 (the founding of the American league, as well as the final stabilization and standardization of the rules of the game).
 
2013-05-06 06:23:35 PM

Gonz: buckeyebrain: That's all we got?  One goddamn hit?

(You can't say "goddamn" on the air!)


Don't worry. Nobody's reading anyway.
 
2013-05-06 07:11:04 PM

Daniels: So they're still playing .300 baseball?  Thumbs up, subby.


Hey, .300 is decent for a hitter. Extrapolate that out to the whole team, and...
 
2013-05-07 08:10:46 PM

FrancoFile: Contract them or move them to Portland.  Tampa Bay can get contracted or moved to Salt Lake City.


Piss the fark off.  


So what I got from that headline is they're 10-23, right?
 
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