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(Mother Jones)   After hitting rock bottom in March 2011 with his anti-union legislation, Republican governor of Ohio, John Kasich 2.0 is having a remarkable renaissance   (motherjones.com) divider line 67
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2013-05-06 12:31:29 PM  
So he's tiptoeing through the inch-wide moderate path in the minefield and getting a lot of public support now, but he will inevitably step on a mine on one side or the other and he'll be back to where he was before. IMHO.
 
2013-05-06 12:48:18 PM  

show me: So he's tiptoeing through the inch-wide moderate path in the minefield and getting a lot of public support now, but he will inevitably step on a mine on one side or the other and he'll be back to where he was before. IMHO.


Agreed.  I met this guy when he was in the US House, and he was a oily, whiny, ass kissing little sociopath then.  You could tell he wanted the oval office, and I see no reason to believe that's changed.
 
2013-05-06 12:49:00 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-06 12:52:33 PM  

randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]


So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?
 
2013-05-06 12:52:42 PM  

show me: So he's tiptoeing through the inch-wide moderate path in the minefield and getting a lot of public support now, but he will inevitably step on a mine on one side or the other and he'll be back to where he was before. IMHO.


I'd put money on the teahaddists trying to primary him for daring to be to the left of Genghis Khan, personally. That fracking tax alone's going to kill him, since Koch is more than likely to dump cash by the cargo plane-load into the state to oust him.
 
2013-05-06 12:53:08 PM  
Obviously we have Kasich to thank for the auto bailout. Right?

It's cool though, I'm sure that fracking will be very popular until the water supply is destroyed and half the state of Ohio is declared a superfund site.
 
2013-05-06 12:53:40 PM  
I don't get this. Nobody likes him. He's tried to push through oodles of unpopular legislation. He's failed in most of his efforts, such as the turnpike. He's now re-introducing SB 5 as "Right to Work" and is set to essentially piss off the state once more.

I think Mother Jones is overestimating this POS.
 
2013-05-06 12:53:50 PM  

that bosnian sniper: I'd put money on the teahaddists trying to primary him for daring to be to the left of Genghis Khan, personally.


ie: What some in the Florida GOP are planning to do to Rick Scott in the next election
 
2013-05-06 12:53:53 PM  
Basically he hasn't been acting like a bagger lately. He's his own personal good cop, bad cop routine.
 
2013-05-06 12:53:53 PM  
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/gots mah kettlecorn red-eye!
 
2013-05-06 12:53:58 PM  

Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?


Because corporations are the greatest thing in the known universe and can do no wrong.
 
2013-05-06 12:54:27 PM  

bdub77: It's cool though, I'm sure that fracking will be very popular until the water supply is destroyed and half the state of Ohio is declared a superfund site.


It isn't already?

/I keed
 
2013-05-06 12:55:07 PM  

Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?


Because in the ideal fascist state corporations and government have a perfect marriage creating efficiency and growth everywhere.  The only thing that prevents this utopia is safe working conditions and paying people a fair wage.
 
2013-05-06 12:55:40 PM  

Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?


Because those two already start off corrupted.
 
2013-05-06 12:56:22 PM  

bmongar: Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?

Because in the ideal fascist state corporations and government have a perfect marriage creating efficiency and growth everywhere.  The only thing that prevents this utopia is safe working conditions and paying people a fair wage.


Don't forget unions. People banding together to negotiate equitably is pure evil.
 
2013-05-06 12:56:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: bdub77: It's cool though, I'm sure that fracking will be very popular until the water supply is destroyed and half the state of Ohio is declared a superfund site.

It isn't already?

/I keed


Past is prologue?

oceanservice.noaa.gov
 
2013-05-06 01:01:00 PM  

Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?


Because SOCIALISM!
 
2013-05-06 01:03:37 PM  
I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....
 
2013-05-06 01:08:23 PM  

that bosnian sniper: show me: So he's tiptoeing through the inch-wide moderate path in the minefield and getting a lot of public support now, but he will inevitably step on a mine on one side or the other and he'll be back to where he was before. IMHO.

I'd put money on the teahaddists trying to primary him for daring to be to the left of Genghis Khan, personally. That fracking tax alone's going to kill him, since Koch is more than likely to dump cash by the cargo plane-load into the state to oust him.


Another MJ article about that. The Tea folk are mad at the liberal GOP.

They are threatening an "insurrection" which promises to be more entertaining than the Star Trek movie of the same name.
 
2013-05-06 01:14:11 PM  
He's still No. 49 in my nook.
 
2013-05-06 01:15:01 PM  
book. Damn
 
2013-05-06 01:18:06 PM  

FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....


I've never been organized labor's number one cheerleader.  I've always thought that if unions can be formed to guarantee a certain pay for its members, they ought to also guarantee a matching level of craftsmanship and professionalism from its members.  So when a teacher or welder does something monumentally stupid, the union steps in, puts the person on leave, and provides the appropriate training to ensure it doesn't happen again.  But given the choice between today's unions and no unions at all, I'll take the former every day.
 
2013-05-06 01:22:53 PM  

Tomahawk513: FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....

I've never been organized labor's number one cheerleader.  I've always thought that if unions can be formed to guarantee a certain pay for its members, they ought to also guarantee a matching level of craftsmanship and professionalism from its members.  So when a teacher or welder does something monumentally stupid, the union steps in, puts the person on leave, and provides the appropriate training to ensure it doesn't happen again.  But given the choice between today's unions and no unions at all, I'll take the former every day.


Same here.

There's no doubt in my mind that they get greedy and ask more than they actually deserve. But the reason they're there is to provide a check to an unregulated labor situation.

I do love your idea about offering some level of craftsmanship and professionalism. That would help the Union PR out big time.
 
2013-05-06 01:24:53 PM  
John Kasich probably has little interest in improving the lot of the poor with his Medicaid expansion.  The fact that the poor will have improved access to state/federally subsidized health insurance is fine, but it is merely a beneficial side effect of the primary goal, securing more public funding of hospitals.

Hospitals that treat a large number of patients on Medicaid have received federal subsidies since the 1980s, through Disproportionate Share Hospital programs.  The PPACA reduced Medicare reimbursement rates and DSH payments to hospitals.  It is estimated that the reduction in DSH payments to hospitals in Ohio will total about $1.5 billion through 2020, and reduction in Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement will total about $7.4 billion through 2022.

The Medicaid expansion is an effort to acquire more sweet sweet federal money for hospitals and the health care systems that own them.

Many non-profit hospitals make lots of money, and reward their officers with exorbitant compensation packages.  But don't believe me: search for your local nonprofit hospital's Form 990 here:

http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/

http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/
 
2013-05-06 01:24:58 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Another MJ article about that. The Tea folk are mad at the liberal GOP.

They are threatening an "insurrection" which promises to be more entertaining than the Star Trek movie of the same name.


Well, I've been calling they'll eventually go third-party and derp themselves into oblivion for a while now. Their "primary" strategy was the one that surprised me.
 
2013-05-06 01:27:59 PM  

FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....


It's jealousy.  Union people look too good in jackboots.
 
2013-05-06 01:28:56 PM  

FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....


Unions were often initially created by Communist and Socialist groups. So anyone opposed to those ideas would of course lump unions in with them.

Now it's morphed into being against unions because they interfere with the Galt-like genius of our moneyed betters. The fact that even the people that hate unions benefit from what they fought and died for is totally ignored.
 
2013-05-06 01:33:29 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Basically he hasn't been acting like a bagger lately. He's his own personal good cop, bad cop routine.


D-bagger, you mean?
 
2013-05-06 01:34:24 PM  
So Republicans can get elected if they put their Constituents' needs over the needs of the Party.

I wounder why it takes them so long to figure this out...
 
2013-05-06 01:35:37 PM  

odinsposse: FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....

Unions were often initially created by Communist and Socialist groups. So anyone opposed to those ideas would of course lump unions in with them.

Now it's morphed into being against unions because they interfere with the Galt-like genius of our moneyed betters. The fact that even the people that hate unions benefit from what they fought and died for is totally ignored.


Too many people have bought in to the "lucky to have a job" mentality.  The person with the "worst" work conditions becomes the cheerleader for the "SEE HOW EASY THEIR JOB IS!?!?" squad and then morons get in to a contest to see who puts up with the most shiat at work - anyone putting up with less is immediately branded as "soft" and overpaid.
 
2013-05-06 01:37:45 PM  

that bosnian sniper: SixPaperJoint: Another MJ article about that. The Tea folk are mad at the liberal GOP.

They are threatening an "insurrection" which promises to be more entertaining than the Star Trek movie of the same name.

Well, I've been calling they'll eventually go third-party and derp themselves into oblivion for a while now. Their "primary" strategy was the one that surprised me.


Because of how our current "winner-take-all" political system works, there will never be more than two viable political parties--you'd need to switch to "instant-runoff" elections (pick a first choice, second choice, etc.) in order for more than two parties to be viable.  The "primary" strategy of essentially hijacking one of the two major parties may be crazy, but it's not as crazy as starting a third party.

/side-note: the proper name of the "winner-take-all" system gets pwned by the Fark filter
 
2013-05-06 01:41:20 PM  
Once his "fracking tax" doesn't cover his cuts will the voters of Ohio get it then?

Rise of Nat Gas Prices an Enigma


There's nothing baffling about this at all. Because shale drilling is unprofitable, natural gas prices must rise if producers hope to mop up some of their red ink. And if you are interested in reading more about the real story on shale gas, check out the following article. -- RF


Patient contrarians: The natural gas market isn't what it seems
 
2013-05-06 01:43:42 PM  

randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]


Unlike the pure, Real Americans tips from the Godly Saints of Job Creators and Well-Endowed Folk.
 
2013-05-06 01:44:18 PM  

trotsky: I don't get this. Nobody likes him. He's tried to push through oodles of unpopular legislation. He's failed in most of his efforts, such as the turnpike. He's now re-introducing SB 5 as "Right to Work" and is set to essentially piss off the state once more.

I think Mother Jones is overestimating this POS.


Kasich should be getting Bob Taft approval ratings, but he's throwing bones to the right people at the right time. Plus, who's actually going to run against him? Strickland? I wouldn't vote for him again because of what happened at the Democratic National Convention. Kucinich? If anything, he'd be angling for Portman's seat.
 
2013-05-06 01:46:34 PM  
He's not moderating. He's setting himself up for 2016, secure in the knowledge that the Republican-held legislature will take care of business just the way he wants it done. Everything he's done is tokenism, and he hasn't gone to bat for anything not already on their agenda.
 
2013-05-06 01:47:48 PM  
Many unions already have minimum standards for what they are to provide.Union roroofers need to be able to lay a certain amount of material per man-hour. Ditto for drywallers. This makes for standard estimates on construction projects. It cuts down on the "took longer than we thought and we cant not pay em" cost overruns. Slow crew get reassigned or ."there isnt enough work to go around". Unions are a tradeoff like anything. When the power balance tips, there are problems.
 
2013-05-06 01:54:47 PM  

anfrind: Because of how our current "winner-take-all" political system works, there will never be more than two viable political parties--you'd need to switch to "instant-runoff" elections (pick a first choice, second choice, etc.) in order for more than two parties to be viable.  The "primary" strategy of essentially hijacking one of the two major parties may be crazy, but it's not as crazy as starting a third party.


Incorrect: SMDP, regardless of voting method, is biased towards two-party systems. Any given preferential voting system, of which IRV is a part,  will not solve the two-party issue alone. The best you'd see from a preferential system enacted in the US, is increased tactical voting and consolidation of party funding towards one candidate chosen by the party elite  anyway. Switching to IRV in a vacuum would functionally  retard the democratic process, for that.

The only way the two-party system has a chance of being broken in the US, is first and foremost to move to a PR system, and even that's dicey depending on what other formal and informal institutions are reformed alongside. So...good luck.
 
2013-05-06 02:06:23 PM  

IlGreven: trotsky: I don't get this. Nobody likes him. He's tried to push through oodles of unpopular legislation. He's failed in most of his efforts, such as the turnpike. He's now re-introducing SB 5 as "Right to Work" and is set to essentially piss off the state once more.

I think Mother Jones is overestimating this POS.

Kasich should be getting Bob Taft approval ratings, but he's throwing bones to the right people at the right time. Plus, who's actually going to run against him? Strickland? I wouldn't vote for him again because of what happened at the Democratic National Convention. Kucinich? If anything, he'd be angling for Portman's seat.


Ed FitzGerald just announced. I know nothing about him though.

Kasich also was pretty adamant he would be a voluntary one termer as well.
 
2013-05-06 02:15:33 PM  
Isn't this the asshole who canceled a rail program that would have benefited us?
 
2013-05-06 02:17:59 PM  

trotsky: Kasich also was pretty adamant he would be a voluntary one termer as well.


In all frankness, I really think the RNC backed "political suicide bomber" campaigns in 2010, so to speak. Get guys like Kasich, Rick Scott, and Scott Walker elected under the tea party mini-tent, let them commit political suicide by pushing truly whackadoodle policies, then chuck them under the bus in light of political backlash. Kill like three birds with one stone: undesirable candidates get weeded out before they can look at the national level, the Overton window gets pushed slightly to the right, and the tea party rather than the GOP owns their failures and undermines their support and political capital.

It's what I would have done were I a political strategist for the GOP in 2010.
 
2013-05-06 02:26:56 PM  

Felgraf: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

So, uh,w hy doesn't that Cycle of Corruption also apply to Corporations and Corporate PACS?


Those are people. Unions aren't. STUDY IT OUT!
 
2013-05-06 02:28:01 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]

Unlike the pure, Real Americans tips from the Godly Saints of Job Creators and Well-Endowed Folk.


Hey now! Go ahead and mock the supposed "job creators", but leave me out of this.
 
2013-05-06 02:31:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Tomahawk513: FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....

I've never been organized labor's number one cheerleader.  I've always thought that if unions can be formed to guarantee a certain pay for its members, they ought to also guarantee a matching level of craftsmanship and professionalism from its members.  So when a teacher or welder does something monumentally stupid, the union steps in, puts the person on leave, and provides the appropriate training to ensure it doesn't happen again.  But given the choice between today's unions and no unions at all, I'll take the former every day.

Same here.

There's no doubt in my mind that they get greedy and ask more than they actually deserve. But the reason they're there is to provide a check to an unregulated labor situation.

I do love your idea about offering some level of craftsmanship and professionalism. That would help the Union PR out big time.


Most unions do offer "some level of craftsmanship and professionalism". Just off the top of my head from the people that I do regular activist work with, I know the United Brotherhood of Carpenters, United Steelworkers, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees and many Teamsters locals have training and job levels that do guarantee a level of performance, and generally a high one. Most unions that don't have such internal programs are usually in low-skill industries where the workers are under constant attack, like UNITE HERE in the "hospitality industry".

The IATSE in particular has managed to fend off most of the public relations attacks on unions, being a technical theater union and thus heavily engaged in media and public relations themselves, and so they compete with non-union labor on a level playing field, and whaddya know? They have no real competition. Companies that aren't ideologically anti-union come begging to them for contracts. There is one national company that competes with the IATSE - Rhino Staging - and their safety record and work quality doesn't compare to the IATSE at all.
 
2013-05-06 02:57:52 PM  

odinsposse: FarkedOver: I never understood the union hate.  Usually working people biatching about unions say "they make too much money!"..... well.... maybe you should organize your workplace?

/not that, that is an easy feat....

Unions were often initially created by Communist and Socialist groups. So anyone opposed to those ideas would of course lump unions in with them.

Now it's morphed into being against unions because they interfere with the Galt-like genius of our moneyed betters. The fact that even the people that hate unions benefit from what they fought and died for is totally ignored.


The problem with the unions is that they drummed all the communist, socialists and anarchists out of their organization.  They lost their militancy.
 
2013-05-06 03:04:24 PM  

FarkedOver: The problem with the unions is that they drummed all the communist, socialists and anarchists out of their organization.  They lost their militancy.


May Day Seattle
mediad.publicbroadcasting.net
 
2013-05-06 03:16:37 PM  

smitty04: FarkedOver: The problem with the unions is that they drummed all the communist, socialists and anarchists out of their organization.  They lost their militancy.

May Day Seattle
[mediad.publicbroadcasting.net image 440x295]


ok..... what does that have to do with unions?
 
2013-05-06 03:25:51 PM  

FarkedOver: smitty04: FarkedOver: The problem with the unions is that they drummed all the communist, socialists and anarchists out of their organization.  They lost their militancy.

May Day Seattle
[mediad.publicbroadcasting.net image 440x295]

ok..... what does that have to do with unions?


Evidently, the police starting a riot reflects badly on radicals.
 
2013-05-06 03:41:59 PM  

randomjsa: [i42.tinypic.com image 354x300]


you know that works as even better for corporations funneling money to the gop and corrupting them than it does unions.
 
2013-05-06 03:59:51 PM  
"There are no Jews in Germany" - Herman Goering

"There are no poor people in Ohio" -- Gov. Kasich
 
2013-05-06 04:05:50 PM  
Does randomjsa ever post twice in a thread?
 
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