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(The Newspaper)   Police officer making pretextual traffic stop for obscured license plate undermines his case by calling in plate number while still in his car   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 73
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2013-05-06 10:25:56 AM  
Good.
 
2013-05-06 10:30:12 AM  
He should have just argued that he remembered the plate number from the previous pulling-over.
 
2013-05-06 10:49:26 AM  

serial_crusher: He should have just argued that he remembered the plate number from the previous pulling-over.


THIS.

Police should feel free to perjure themselves if it helps their case.
 
2013-05-06 10:55:41 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: serial_crusher: He should have just argued that he remembered the plate number from the previous pulling-over.

THIS.

Police should feel free to perjure themselves if it helps their case.


God yes.

Especially when it's something as important as tinted license plate covers.
 
2013-05-06 11:02:24 AM  
Barney Pfife. Without the one bullet.
 
2013-05-06 11:02:43 AM  
ftfa: "Iowa allows traffic stops to occur if, from the standpoint of an objectively reasonable police officer, a traffic violation was committed.'
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-06 11:02:59 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: serial_crusher: He should have just argued that he remembered the plate number from the previous pulling-over.

THIS.

Police should feel free to perjure themselves if it helps their case.


He already showed his willingness to perjure himself in the previous trials, so why not.
 
2013-05-06 11:03:12 AM  
"targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.
 
2013-05-06 11:04:55 AM  
2AM the cops will pull you over for anything since they are fishing for DUIs.
 
2013-05-06 11:04:59 AM  

Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.


I disagree.  Letting a guy off for the DWB defense gets you as much not-racist cred as having most of your friends be black.
 
2013-05-06 11:05:11 AM  
But Your Honor!  The man is very clearly BLACK!
 
2013-05-06 11:05:28 AM  
I got a ticket for this once.
In retrospect, tinted license plate covers are pretty lame.
The guy managed to catch me when I wasn't speeding.
 
2013-05-06 11:07:15 AM  

doglover: Good.


This.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: 2AM the cops will pull you over for anything since they are fishing for DUIs.


And as shown in this scenario, sometimes DUI cases will have to be dismissed if the cop pulls something like this.
 
2013-05-06 11:07:29 AM  
Fire him and strip him of his pension.  He's been corrupted by power already and can't be fixed.
 
2013-05-06 11:08:56 AM  

Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.


Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.
 
2013-05-06 11:09:49 AM  
Gosh-darn does that make me laugh.
 
2013-05-06 11:14:30 AM  
Tyler suggested he was stopped for driving while black.


Ahh, the old "obstucted view/obstucted plate" traffic stop. Smh. I know it well. Its one of the classics.
 
2013-05-06 11:14:54 AM  

Land Ark: I got a ticket for this once.
In retrospect, tinted license plate covers are pretty lame.
The guy managed to catch me when I wasn't speeding.


I can see a tinted plate cover obscuring the plate in a way that an uncovered plate would not be under the same conditions. Plus, tinted plate covers are lame.
 
2013-05-06 11:16:57 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.


Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?
 
2013-05-06 11:18:11 AM  

skullkrusher: I can see a tinted plate cover obscuring the plate in a way that an uncovered plate would not be under the same conditions. Plus, tinted plate covers are lame.


Do they accomplish anything useful?  I've thought about getting some for those damned camera vans and red light cameras we have locally, but if they don't work - fahgedaboutit.
 
2013-05-06 11:18:13 AM  

Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?


Racism is never a joke. Unless you're a minority, then you get a pass. This is how it works, otherwise, you're racist.
 
2013-05-06 11:19:16 AM  
Can someone explain the tinted plate cover thing? Does it serve a purpose?

I got pulled over for the light above my license plate being out (before the sun went down...grrr) so wouldn't the tinted cover be a similar situation?
 
2013-05-06 11:19:33 AM  

walkerhound: skullkrusher: I can see a tinted plate cover obscuring the plate in a way that an uncovered plate would not be under the same conditions. Plus, tinted plate covers are lame.

Do they accomplish anything useful?  I've thought about getting some for those damned camera vans and red light cameras we have locally, but if they don't work - fahgedaboutit.


I guess people think they look cool. I dunno, I always thought they sucked but I am also attracted to bright, shiny objects and the tinted covers dim that intoxicating shine
 
2013-05-06 11:21:09 AM  
FTA: "Tyler suggested he was stopped for driving while black. The court let that slide, "

Thankfully they let it slide.  I hear it's a huge fine for DWB.

/Did you see how black you were going back there?
 
2013-05-06 11:21:30 AM  
GanjSmokr


Random Anonymous Blackmail: 2AM the cops will pull you over for anything since they are fishing for DUIs.

And as shown in this scenario, sometimes DUI cases will have to be dismissed if the cop pulls something like this.


There was no report of him drinking, and good thing.

I got pulled over one night on my way home from work for my headlights being "misaligned" around 2AM by a cop fishing.

The instant an officer smells alcohol why they pulled you over is no longer relevant, cause becomes swerving or some other shiat where it becomes your word vs theirs
 
2013-05-06 11:24:44 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: GanjSmokr


Random Anonymous Blackmail: 2AM the cops will pull you over for anything since they are fishing for DUIs.

And as shown in this scenario, sometimes DUI cases will have to be dismissed if the cop pulls something like this.

There was no report of him drinking, and good thing.

I got pulled over one night on my way home from work for my headlights being "misaligned" around 2AM by a cop fishing.

The instant an officer smells alcohol why they pulled you over is no longer relevant, cause becomes swerving or some other shiat where it becomes your word vs theirs


FTFA: The court noted that Officer Lowe admitted he was targeting the Escalade because he had stopped it before. Tyler suggested he was stopped for driving while black. The court let that slide, because with no objectively reasonable fact suggesting the plate was obscured, the evidence from the traffic stop was suppressed leaving prosecutors with no basis to maintain Tyler's drunk driving conviction.
 
2013-05-06 11:25:37 AM  
Officer Brad Lowe, who was waiting in the parking lot of Dragon Car Wash, recognized the Escalade that he had pulled over two days earlier over its plate cover.

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"In fact, the cited code section does not proscribe tinted license plate covers. Rather, it proscribes placement of any frame or cover 'which does not permit full view of all numerals and letters printed on the registration plate,'" Justice Bruce B. Zager wrote for the court. "Officer Lowe told Tyler during the stop that he had pulled him over because of tinted license plates. Tinted license plates are not a violation of Iowa law, and the state does not contend otherwise."


So how many people have paid tickets based on a non existent law that the cops just decided to invent? I bet there is some shlub writing a check for it right now.
 
2013-05-06 11:27:43 AM  
Back in my high school days, once upon a time two of my buddies and I were driving around in the evening (sun still up).  Not really doing anything, just bored teenagers driving around.

We drove past a cop car which was going in the opposite direction.  The cop then pulled an illegal U turn and followed us for a minute before pulling us over, getting ALL of our licenses (my buddy was the driver/owner of the car and I didn't want to cause him trouble, so I gave my license without an argument).  The pretext?  Burned out light for his rear license plate.  No ticket, they just wanted an excuse to check us out.

/White and nerdy.
//Go figure.
 
2013-05-06 11:28:38 AM  

megarian: Can someone explain the tinted plate cover thing? Does it serve a purpose?

I got pulled over for the light above my license plate being out (before the sun went down...grrr) so wouldn't the tinted cover be a similar situation?


Darkness will obscure a plate much more than a tinted cover will.  I've done a few ride-alongs with the LA Co. Sheriffs and it was a common thing to use defective license plate lights as a reason to stop a person.  It's enough for a traffic stop and roadside interrogation, but they usually let you go on your way if everything seems copacetic, but will give you the ticket if you're being an ass.  It's a messed up reason to pull someone over because the driver rarely knows if the light is out.  I always make sure to check all exterior vehicle lights because I don't want to have my time wasted by a cop "cold calling" my car to see what he can dig up (even though s/he will be wasting their time and mine).
 
2013-05-06 11:36:59 AM  

Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?


No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?
 
2013-05-06 11:37:55 AM  
That was a long way to go for the money shot: he got his DUI conviction tossed because of the officer mistakenly pulling him over because of the plate cover.

Isn't it usually "looks like you swerved a little bit back there..."?
 
2013-05-06 11:39:01 AM  
I got pulled over in San Diego in the late 80's for going 55 in a 55 at 2 am on a Sunday morning.

I was the only sober person in the car.   Cop asked me to step out of the car because the smell of booze was so strong coming out my window.

When he realized I was the DD, he told be to ignore the speed limit in the future, just "go with the flow of traffic".   Since I was the only one doing 55, I had stood out to them.
 
2013-05-06 11:46:31 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: So how many people have paid tickets based on a non existent law that the cops just decided to invent?


Or how many people have given money to a fake undercover cop for violating a fake law.

Could solve a major unemployment problem.
 
2013-05-06 11:47:40 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?

No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?


Your reply!
It's not so funny when I have to explain it... now, go lick your mad spot.
 
2013-05-06 11:49:37 AM  
So the stupid judge(s) think that sunlight can blur a license plate in the same manner as cheap tinted plastic?

/not saying they made the wrong call -- just that they don't understand how light works
 
2013-05-06 11:57:20 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: serial_crusher: He should have just argued that he remembered the plate number from the previous pulling-over.

THIS.

Police should feel free to perjure themselves if it helps their case.


That is why they call it testilying.

/I'll trust the word of a junkie before I trust the word of a cop
 
2013-05-06 12:00:26 PM  

megarian: Can someone explain the tinted plate cover thing? Does it serve a purpose?

I got pulled over for the light above my license plate being out (before the sun went down...grrr) so wouldn't the tinted cover be a similar situation?


Some people think it will help them avoid traffic light cameras, etc.  See, they think they should be able to break the law, and when the law gets them for it, that's injustice.
 
2013-05-06 12:03:00 PM  

kwame: See, they think they should be able to break the law, and when the law gets them for it, that's injustice.


Yeah I wish people would stop breaking laws that don't exist. Git'em Johnny Law, deliver justice for their imagined crimes!
 
2013-05-06 12:13:57 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I wish people would stop breaking laws that don't exist. Git'em Johnny Law, deliver justice for their imagined crimes!


I pretty clearly explained that people use those to try and shirk traffic light cameras.  Running a red light is breaking the law.  Try and keep up.  Your civil liberties will still be there when your outrage cools off.
 
2013-05-06 12:16:47 PM  

Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?

No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?

Your reply!
It's not so funny when I have to explain it... now, go lick your mad spot.


Not sure why I would be angry that you told an unfunny joke, but ok.
 
2013-05-06 12:24:41 PM  

walkerhound: skullkrusher: I can see a tinted plate cover obscuring the plate in a way that an uncovered plate would not be under the same conditions. Plus, tinted plate covers are lame.

Do they accomplish anything useful?  I've thought about getting some for those damned camera vans and red light cameras we have locally, but if they don't work - fahgedaboutit.


They let the hotties know you're a Man of Mystery.
 
2013-05-06 12:27:50 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?

No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?

Your reply!
It's not so funny when I have to explain it... now, go lick your mad spot.

Not sure why I would be angry that you told an unfunny joke, but ok.


Well gee... who keeps bring it up and replying?
I could give to flying farks what you find funny or not.

Keep farking that chicken, hoss!
 
2013-05-06 12:31:06 PM  

Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?

No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?

Your reply!
It's not so funny when I have to explain it... now, go lick your mad spot.

Not sure why I would be angry that you told an unfunny joke, but ok.

Well gee... who keeps bring it up and replying?
I could give to flying farks what you find funny or not.

Keep farking that chicken, hoss!



Uhhh...is this a reply? Uh oh, now you've gone to the profanity. I thought I was the angry guy, here. In your defense, you did finally say something funny. Lol.
 
2013-05-06 12:39:59 PM  

kwame: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I wish people would stop breaking laws that don't exist. Git'em Johnny Law, deliver justice for their imagined crimes!

I pretty clearly explained that people use those to try and shirk traffic light cameras.  Running a red light is breaking the law.  Try and keep up.  Your civil liberties will still be there when your outrage cools off.


Shirking cameras and running red lights aren't the same thing, and you never mentioned running a red light. Try and keep up.
 
2013-05-06 12:44:41 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: walkerhound: skullkrusher: I can see a tinted plate cover obscuring the plate in a way that an uncovered plate would not be under the same conditions. Plus, tinted plate covers are lame.

Do they accomplish anything useful?  I've thought about getting some for those damned camera vans and red light cameras we have locally, but if they don't work - fahgedaboutit.

They let the hotties know you're a Man of Mystery.


lulz.

*swoon* your tinted plate cover is sooooo mysterious! And the stick guy peeing on a Chevy logo makes you sooooo badass! My panties would look much better in your glovebox! But can we pick up my awesome air-brush-art Tweety Bird vanity plate before the awkward your-mom-is-in-the-next-room sex?
 
2013-05-06 12:47:54 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: "targeted for Driving while Black"

With all those white folk as Judges... that was not going to fly. Add a little color to the bench and try that one again.

Only black people recognize racism? White judges are always unfair? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're going with that one.

Maybe.... JUST maybe it's a joke?

Or did we all get serious over the weekend?

No sir. Its just that jokes are normally kinda funny. I was genuinely asking because I thought you had a larger point to make. Which part is the punch line?

Your reply!
It's not so funny when I have to explain it... now, go lick your mad spot.

Not sure why I would be angry that you told an unfunny joke, but ok.

Well gee... who keeps bring it up and replying?
I could give to flying farks what you find funny or not.

Keep farking that chicken, hoss!


Uhhh...is this a reply? Uh oh, now you've gone to the profanity. I thought I was the angry guy, here. In your defense, you did finally say something funny. Lol.


Wow. Obtuse and ADD come to mind, regarding your replies.

Do you require a word.doc on all jokes? I had no idea you held the standard on what is funny or not! When where you given this title? "Asswad of the Universe!" seems to wear you well.

Do bad words make you sad? Awwww, run back upstairs, get a hug from mommy and come on back!
 
2013-05-06 12:48:01 PM  

kwame: megarian: Can someone explain the tinted plate cover thing? Does it serve a purpose?

I got pulled over for the light above my license plate being out (before the sun went down...grrr) so wouldn't the tinted cover be a similar situation?

Some people think it will help them avoid traffic light cameras, etc.  See, they think they should be able to break the law, and when the law gets them for it, that's injustice.


Hm. Well....wow.
 
2013-05-06 12:49:40 PM  

BitwiseShift: HotWingConspiracy: So how many people have paid tickets based on a non existent law that the cops just decided to invent?

Or how many people have given money to a fake undercover cop for violating a fake law.


Hah...?

Fines are typically paid by going to the web site of the agency that issued you a citation, typing in a code that brings up a page showing which law you violated and the amount you owe if you plead guilty, and a form for entering your credit card information.

If you're paying cash to the officer on the spot, you're definitely giving money to a fake cop.
 
2013-05-06 12:50:35 PM  

Honest Bender: Back in my high school days, once upon a time two of my buddies and I were driving around in the evening (sun still up).  Not really doing anything, just bored teenagers driving around.

We drove past a cop car which was going in the opposite direction.  The cop then pulled an illegal U turn and followed us for a minute before pulling us over, getting ALL of our licenses (my buddy was the driver/owner of the car and I didn't want to cause him trouble, so I gave my license without an argument).  The pretext?  Burned out light for his rear license plate.  No ticket, they just wanted an excuse to check us out.

/White and nerdy.
//Go figure.


Similar thing happened to me and my friends back in high school.  Cop passes us going the other way just as I take a swig from my Sobe (it was the late 90s, Sobe was cool).  I see him flip around in my rear mirror and I tell my friends we're about to get pulled over, which was surprising since for once we weren't speeding or doing anything else illegal.  First thing the cop asks me after he swaggers up to my car is "what are you drinking there?"
"Sobe."
"Oh yeah, well you kids been smoking today?"
"Cigarettes."
"I don't care about cigarettes, you mind if I take a look in your car?"
Of course, that's the point where the ITG brigade would come out screaming about rights and warrants and fark the police, but we were dumb teenagers that didn't want to kick the hornet's nest, and we honestly weren't doing anything wrong (that day).  The cop ended up calling his buddy in as backup, and they searched my car three times and my friend and I twice before finally realizing they weren't going to find anything.  No ticket, no warning, just harassment.

/and people wonder while I call cops pigs and think nothing but the worst of them.
 
2013-05-06 12:56:08 PM  

HatMadeOfAss: I've done a few ride-alongs with the LA Co. Sheriffs


FYI, being handcuffed in the rear seat does not count as a "ride-along".
 
2013-05-06 12:57:07 PM  
FTA:

...the evidence from the traffic stop was suppressed leaving prosecutors with no basis to maintain Tyler's drunk driving conviction.

Well, that worked out for the best...
 
2013-05-06 01:04:19 PM  
Dixon Cider:
Wow. Obtuse and ADD come to mind, regarding your replies.

Do you require a word.doc on all jokes? I had no idea you held the standard on what is funny or not! When where you given this title? "Asswad of the Universe!" seems to wear you well.

Do bad words make you sad? Awwww, run back upstairs, get a hug from mommy and come on back!



Lol. Ok, I hugged my mom and I'm back. She wants to know if you can also remind me to call more often. Look man, I really didn't know it was a joke. I asked a simple question to find out your angle. You say it was a joke but it didn't make me laugh, so I asked which part was the punchline. I was making a joke too. I wasn't looking to get you all wound up. But instead of laughing it off or ignorning it, you're doing this. Just settle down. I'm sure someone clicked the little "funny" button for your comment, right? Right?
 
2013-05-06 01:09:45 PM  
LOL... not sure, if they clicked, but they better or else!
I thought for sure you were all kinds of twisted out of shape. My bad, was just starting my troll when you sent this. I can see how the joke could have been funnier and that the original is not THAT funny. But, I am simple and easy to entertain.

Eiffel Tower high five and we can be friends again?
 
2013-05-06 01:10:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Shirking cameras and running red lights aren't the same thing, and you never mentioned running a red light. Try and keep up.


Oh I see.  Traffic light cameras have other purposes than monitoring traffic lights.

You're an idiot.
 
2013-05-06 01:11:06 PM  
This fishing got me laid once. CSB:
I was 17 and my sister and her friends wanted to party, so they commissioned me to drive from the sticks into Toledo to go clubbing. They had a great time. On the way back I was pulled over for 56/55. Yes, 56/55. Two troopers asked me to get out of the vehicle and talked to me for a bit. They said the smell of alcohol and weed was just pouring out the window. I explained the situation, they thanked me for my service (this was before the designated driver campaign was invented), and said they just wanted to make sure I wasn't drinking. On the way home the girls were just pissed at the bullshiat stop. I drop them all off and the last one, a hot 26 year old friend of my sister thanked me with a blow job and a proper shagging. She was a screamer too. Fun times.

/csb
 
2013-05-06 01:21:46 PM  

Dixon Cider: LOL... not sure, if they clicked, but they better or else!
I thought for sure you were all kinds of twisted out of shape. My bad, was just starting my troll when you sent this. I can see how the joke could have been funnier and that the original is not THAT funny. But, I am simple and easy to entertain.

Eiffel Tower high five and we can be friends again?


I was never angry, so sure.

*fistbump*
 
2013-05-06 01:34:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dixon Cider: LOL... not sure, if they clicked, but they better or else!
I thought for sure you were all kinds of twisted out of shape. My bad, was just starting my troll when you sent this. I can see how the joke could have been funnier and that the original is not THAT funny. But, I am simple and easy to entertain.

Eiffel Tower high five and we can be friends again?

I was never angry, so sure.

*fistbump*


Why don't you two just go ahead and get a room, already?

/was that funny?
//wont respond, so don't bother.
 
2013-05-06 01:36:38 PM  

RickN99: HatMadeOfAss: I've done a few ride-alongs with the LA Co. Sheriffs

FYI, being handcuffed in the rear seat does not count as a "ride-along".


I'd really like to respond with a witty retort, but it wouldn't measure up.

Well played, sir.

Well played.
 
2013-05-06 02:16:45 PM  
You guys are ruining this cop bashing thread, stop it!
 
2013-05-06 02:25:51 PM  

StrangeQ: /and people wonder while I call cops pigs and think nothing but the worst of them.


Most people will encounter at least one asshole cop in their lives. However, most will also encounter an asshole teacher. Does this now mean I'm free to call all teachers pigs and think nothing but the worst of them?

I'm not here to white-knight the police. I've had my share of run-ins with them despite having committed no crime. But it's unfair of me to assume that whenever I see a uniform, the guy is a jerk on a power trip. Lots of cops are just regular people looking for a steady wage, health care, and a pension. Not everyone - in my experience not even the majority - do it because it offers carte blanche to be a dick. While the events of your story suck, the answer isn't to apply those events to every member of a group. It's not too far removed from thinking all black men are thugs because you were once robbed by one.
 
2013-05-06 02:27:29 PM  

megarian: Can someone explain the tinted plate cover thing? Does it serve a purpose?

I got pulled over for the light above my license plate being out (before the sun went down...grrr) so wouldn't the tinted cover be a similar situation?


I think they should be illegal.  you can read them if you are directly behind them less than a car length away, but any more than that and they are unreadable.  Well, if someone commits a crime and is driving away, others should be able to read their tags at a distance of more than 20 feet away.
 
2013-05-06 02:46:13 PM  

dickfreckle: Does this now mean I'm free to call all teachers pigs and think nothing but the worst of them? I'm not here to white-knight the police. I've had my share of run-ins with them despite having committed no crime.


Teachers don't sit behind roadside billboards waiting to take your money at gunpoint.
 
2013-05-06 02:49:57 PM  
I don't understand why the cop being able to read the plate from however close he was, means everything was legit. What if the plate cover made it impossible to read from 20' away?

Not that I really care. As it's been mentioned, a plate tint cover is used because people don't want it to be seen easily. Why else would someone cover their plate? Duh.
 
2013-05-06 02:50:56 PM  

dickfreckle: StrangeQ: /and people wonder while I call cops pigs and think nothing but the worst of them.

Most people will encounter at least one asshole cop in their lives. However, most will also encounter an asshole teacher. Does this now mean I'm free to call all teachers pigs and think nothing but the worst of them?

I'm not here to white-knight the police. I've had my share of run-ins with them despite having committed no crime. But it's unfair of me to assume that whenever I see a uniform, the guy is a jerk on a power trip. Lots of cops are just regular people looking for a steady wage, health care, and a pension. Not everyone - in my experience not even the majority - do it because it offers carte blanche to be a dick. While the events of your story suck, the answer isn't to apply those events to every member of a group. It's not too far removed from thinking all black men are thugs because you were once robbed by one.


I think it is the great amount of authority that Police Officers wield over people (legal and illegal) that makes people react so strongly against Police Officers.  A bad teacher is bad, as they have some authority over you, but rarely will a teacher be able to shoot you with a great expectation of escaping any serious punishment, and they also cannot easily put you into a system that can grind your life down like a side of beef in a grinder.  I do believe that we are not assisted by this overstated stereotype about Police Officers, but perhaps you can understand why people are much more worried and concerned about a bad Police Officer than they are about a bad teacher.  This heightened fear teaches many people to avoid all contact with Police Officers because while most of them may be good, it only takes one bad one to severely impact your life.  Kind of like avoiding all snakes...most in the USA are harmless, but if you get near the wrong one, you could get hurt, so most people prefer to just avoid all snakes, and will advise others to do the same and will often go on to speak ill of having snakes around and wishing that they would all disappear.
 
2013-05-06 03:04:19 PM  

poisonpill: I don't understand why the cop being able to read the plate from however close he was, means everything was legit. What if the plate cover made it impossible to read from 20' away?

Not that I really care. As it's been mentioned, a plate tint cover is used because people don't want it to be seen easily. Why else would someone cover their plate? Duh.


That isn't really what made everything legit. What did make everything legit was the fact that tinted license plate covers are not illegal in Iowa. If the legislature wants to fix that, they're free to, but until they do it isn't something somebody can be stopped for, and it's long been the case (at least in Iowa, it was even when I lived there from the time I got my licence to when I moved out of state in 2000) that if the initial stop was bogus, the DUI usually goes away with it (because if not for the stop, they would have never known). The courts up that way have always been suspicious of fishing expeditions like that, and will usually slap a PD down when they're caught pulling those kinds of stunts.

They also don't permit DUI roadblocks, but do prosecute the hell out of people (including mandatory jail stay even on the first offense) that get busted driving drunk.
 
2013-05-06 03:05:08 PM  
Funny thing, in Oregon there is a law that says you can't have anything over your license plate.  NOTHING.  No clear plastic, no FRAME (yeah, technically illegal if obscures even a mm of the plate), no anti-camera bullshiat either.

So instead, they pull you over and say things like "your license plate light is too dim".

I got pulled over not long ago for the previously registered owner of my car having a suspended license.  You read that right.  I bought a car about a year ago, I registered it.  The cops pulled me over a few weeks back saying that the "PREVIOUS" owner had a suspended license, and they wanted to check up...

The officer was very nice, and once he saw my ID he practically fell over himself trying to send me on my way.  I work with the DA in this town, I lunch with the chief of police every friday.  The local cops are VERY nice to me.  It's amazing what joining the local Chamber of Commerce can do.
 
2013-05-06 03:49:28 PM  

serial_crusher: I disagree. Letting a guy off for the DWB defense gets you as much not-racist cred as having most of your friends be black.


Most of your friends??? I thought you only needed one (1) black 'friend' as a reference to prove you are not racist.
 
2013-05-06 03:49:40 PM  

dickfreckle: However, most will also encounter an asshole teacher. Does this now mean I'm free to call all teachers pigs and think nothing but the worst of them?


When teachers are given the power to destroy your life with no recourse and routinely demonstrate their willingness to do exactly that, then yes.
 
2013-05-06 04:19:32 PM  

farkstorm: serial_crusher: I disagree. Letting a guy off for the DWB defense gets you as much not-racist cred as having most of your friends be black.

Most of your friends??? I thought you only needed one (1) black 'friend' as a reference to prove you are not racist.


Most of us got rid of our excessive black friends once we got a black president.
 
2013-05-06 05:52:51 PM  

Mr Guy: farkstorm: serial_crusher: I disagree. Letting a guy off for the DWB defense gets you as much not-racist cred as having most of your friends be black.

Most of your friends??? I thought you only needed one (1) black 'friend' as a reference to prove you are not racist.

Most of us got rid of our excessive black friends once we got a black president.


I hope you got a good price.
 
2013-05-06 07:12:15 PM  

Mr Guy: farkstorm: serial_crusher: I disagree. Letting a guy off for the DWB defense gets you as much not-racist cred as having most of your friends be black.

Most of your friends??? I thought you only needed one (1) black 'friend' as a reference to prove you are not racist.

Most of us got rid of our excessive black friends once we got a black president.




Lulz.

Is it racist to laugh? Is it racist to do that? Is it racist to ask if something is racist?
 
2013-05-06 10:06:26 PM  
Damn I really hate license plate covers and now I can't vent about it because I also really hate cops.
 
2013-05-07 07:47:59 PM  

StrangeQ: Honest Bender: Back in my high school days, once upon a time two of my buddies and I were driving around in the evening (sun still up).  Not really doing anything, just bored teenagers driving around.

We drove past a cop car which was going in the opposite direction.  The cop then pulled an illegal U turn and followed us for a minute before pulling us over, getting ALL of our licenses (my buddy was the driver/owner of the car and I didn't want to cause him trouble, so I gave my license without an argument).  The pretext?  Burned out light for his rear license plate.  No ticket, they just wanted an excuse to check us out.

/White and nerdy.
//Go figure.

Similar thing happened to me and my friends back in high school.  Cop passes us going the other way just as I take a swig from my Sobe (it was the late 90s, Sobe was cool).  I see him flip around in my rear mirror and I tell my friends we're about to get pulled over, which was surprising since for once we weren't speeding or doing anything else illegal.  First thing the cop asks me after he swaggers up to my car is "what are you drinking there?"
"Sobe."
"Oh yeah, well you kids been smoking today?"
"Cigarettes."
"I don't care about cigarettes, you mind if I take a look in your car?"
Of course, that's the point where the ITG brigade would come out screaming about rights and warrants and fark the police, but we were dumb teenagers that didn't want to kick the hornet's nest, and we honestly weren't doing anything wrong (that day).


csb-
Similar thing happened to me in high school.  I was driving us all to go see Jawbreaker play a local club and a cop pulled me over cuz we were all punks and had a ton of stickers on the back of my car.   Cop was a dick, claimed my car was going 92 in a 55 when there was no way it could go over 72 (it was an 81 dodge reliant kcar) I asked to see the printed out and he laughed and said he erased it. He then asked to search the car, first I said yes, then I thought about what I had in the trunk and told him no. He got really exicted and started to say "A HA! I GOT YOU!" I told him he did have anything because I knew my 4th amendent right against unlawful search and seizure. He was a bit taked back, probably because I had a 10 inch mohawk and just spit that out at him.  He was all pissed and handed me a summons to court. I ended up with a 350 dollar fine when I told the DA about how my friend had a copy of the entire conversation on tape (he was planning to interview Jawbreaker for his zine)

/was an ITG IRL before the WWW.
 
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