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(The Progressive)   On the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war we suddenly realize that not everyone was snookered into supporting the war   (progressive.org) divider line 189
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2013-05-06 10:37:03 AM
But overwhelmingly, the mainstream corporate media fell down on the job in the worst way.

Washington Post, August 12, 2004:

In retrospect, said Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr., "we were so focused on trying to figure out what the administration was doing that we were not giving the same play to people who said it wouldn't be a good idea to go to war and were questioning the administration's rationale. Not enough of those stories were put on the front page. That was a mistake on my part."

Across the country, "the voices raising questions about the war were lonely ones," Downie said. "We didn't pay enough attention to the minority."

That minority:

500,000 in New York City.
100,000 in Seattle.
30,000 in Los Angeles.
10,000 in Philadelphia.
200,000 in Washington, DC.
200,000 in San Francisco.
20,000 in Portland.
3,000 in Chicago.

To say nothing of Akron and Amarillo, Anapolis Royal, Antigonish, Arcata , Armidale, Asheville, Ashland, Athens, Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Barrie, Beavercreek, Bellingham, Billings, Biloxi, Binghamton, Birmingham, Bisbee, Blacksburg, Bloomington, Boise, Boulder, Brampton, Brandon, Burlington, Butler, Calexico, Calgary, Canmore, Canton, Cape Cod, Cape Girardeau, Capt. Cook, Carbondale, Castlegar, Cedar Rapids, Charleston, Charlotte, Charlottetown, Charlottesville, Chatanooga, Chico, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Coburg, Colorado Springs, Columbia (Missouri and South Carolina), Columbus, Comox Valley, Concord, Cornwall, Corpus Christi, Cortez, Corvallis, Croton-on-Hudson, Cowichan, Cumberland, Dallas, Dayton, Daytona Beach, Deland, Denton, Detroit, Dubuque, Durango, Ellensburg, Elkins, Encino, Erie, Eugene, Fairbanks, Farmington, Fayetteville, Fillmore, Findlay, Flagstaff, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Smith, Fort Wayne, Fredricton, Fresno, Gainesville, Galesburg, Galveston, Geneva, Grand Junction, Grand Prarie, Grand Rapids, Hadely, Hilo, Holland, Honolulu, Houston, Hull, Huntington, Huntsville, Indianapolis, Ithaca, Jasper, Jefferson City, Jersey City, Johnston, Juneau, Kamloops, Kansas City, Kelowna, Kezar Falls, Kingston, Knoxville, Lafeyette, Lancaster, Lansing, Las Cruces, Las Vegas, Lawrence, Leavinsworth, Lethbridge, Lexington, Lilloet, Lincoln, Little Rock, Long Beach, Louisville, Macomb, Madison, McAllen, Meadville, Medicine Hat, Medford, Melbourne, Memphis, Minneapolis, Miami, Midland, Milwaukee, Minden, Mobile, Moncton, Montpelier, Mount Vernon, Nanaimo, Naples, Nashville, Nelson, New Orleans, Newark, Niagra, Norfolk, North Bay, Olympia, Orange, Orangeville, Orillia, Orlando, Ottawa, Palm Desert, Parker Ford, Parry Sound, Pensacola, Peoria, Peterborough, Phoenix, Pittsboro, Plattsburg, Portland (Maine), Port Perry, Portsmouth, Qualicum Beach, Racine, Raleigh, Richland Center, Riverview, Rockford, Rolla, Sackville, St. Augustine, St. Catherines, St. Charles, St. Joeseph, St. Louis, St. Paul, St. Petersburg, Salem, Salt Lake City, Saltspring Island, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Sandpoint, San Jose, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, Santa Fe, Santa Monica, Sarasota, Sault Ste. Marie, Savannah, Sherbrooke, Silver City, Sioux Falls, Sitka, Sonora, South Bend, South Haven, Spokane, Springfield, Starkville, St. John's, Sudbury, Summertown, Tacoma, Tallahassee, Taos, Tehachapi, Temple, Thornbury, Tofino, Truro, Tulsa, Tucson, Valdosta, Vallejo, Vancouver, Watertown, Wausau, West Palm Beach, Wilkes-Barre, Williamsburg, Williamsport, Williamstown, Wilmington, Yakima, Yarmouth, York, and Youngstown.

Or 25,000 in Vancouver, Canada.
100,000 in Montreal.
10,000 in Toronto.
A million in London.
Two million in Rome.
A million and change in Barcelona.
100,000 in Paris.
500,000 in Berlin.
100,000 in Dublin (30,000 in Belfast).
35,000 in Stockholm.
150,000 in Melbourne.
100,000 in Sydney.
200,000 in Damascus.
10,000 in Beirut.
100 in Mostar, Bosnia.
25,000 in Baghdad.

Eleven million, around the world.

If only that minority had been larger.
 
2013-05-06 10:37:29 AM
Yeah, no shiat, Sherlock. That was a horrifying time for rational thought.

(always is)
 
2013-05-06 10:52:32 AM
Yeah. Now in hindsight you realize shutting your eyes and yelling LALALALALALA to anyone who opposed the war was a bad idea.

Asshats.
 
2013-05-06 10:56:09 AM
Count me among those who were skeptical of the "evidence" provided by Colin Powell, et al. I remember having conversations with the office manager during lunch about that, she agreed it was pretty dubious and certainly not worth starting a war over. I wish I'd been more vocal about it, but I wasn't really into arguing politics online back in 2002.
 
2013-05-06 10:57:18 AM

SilentStrider: Yeah. Now in hindsight you realize shutting your eyes and yelling LALALALALALA to anyone who opposed the war was a bad idea.

Asshats.


I personally enjoyed being called "UnAmerican" and a traitor
 
2013-05-06 11:01:20 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: 25,000 in Baghdad.


Only 25,000 in Baghdad were against the US invading Iraq?

/was against the war
//didn't buy the WMD stuff. Thought Bush was coercing other agencies into reporting presence of WMDs

I don't think people realize how Iraq was a strong foil for Iran. Glad Saddam and kids were brought to justice, but not when that money could have been used for education. You see the Arab Spring and wonder if Saddam would have survived something like that. Probably not. And why is it that any time innocents are killed by terrorists we feel the need to spend trillions on guided missiles and troops, but when we find our infrastructure and education is beginning to approach the third world we don't react as aggressively? Total failure of humanity and the media.
 
2013-05-06 11:15:01 AM

bdub77: when we find our infrastructure and education is beginning to approach the third world we don't react as aggressively?


Half of us don't react as aggressively. The other half yell "VICTORY FOR JESUS."
 
2013-05-06 11:16:37 AM
the 2000 election was the first one in which i could vote.  i didn't really pay attention to the election because i was in that late 90's "both sides are the same" malaise. i didn't become politically engaged until after 9/11.  that was when i started reading the newspaper and listening to talk radio whenever i was in the car.  even as someone so new to the political discourse and drinking almost exclusively from right-wing sources, i was stunned by how weak the argument for invading iraq was and still how dismissive the media was about the arguments against it.

making decisions while in a fit of national insanity really was horrifying to watch.
 
2013-05-06 11:25:49 AM
...overwhelmingly, the mainstream corporate media fell down on the job in the worst way.

Goddam liberal media
 
2013-05-06 11:32:41 AM
This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.
 
2013-05-06 11:34:26 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: To say nothing of Akron and Amarillo, Anapolis Royal, Antigonish, Arcata , Armidale, Asheville, Ashland, Athens, Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Barrie, Beavercreek, Bellingham, Billings, Biloxi, Binghamton, Birmingham, Bisbee, Blacksburg, Bloomington, Boise, Boulder, Brampton, Brandon, Burlington, Butler, Calexico, Calgary, Canmore, Canton, Cape Cod, Cape Girardeau, Capt. Cook, Carbondale, Castlegar, Cedar Rapids, Charleston, Charlotte, Charlottetown, Charlottesville, Chatanooga, Chico, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Coburg, Colorado Springs, Columbia (Missouri and South Carolina), Columbus, Comox Valley, Concord, Cornwall, Corpus Christi, Cortez, Corvallis, Croton-on-Hudson, Cowichan, Cumberland, Dallas, Dayton, Daytona Beach, Deland, Denton, Detroit, Dubuque, Durango, Ellensburg, Elkins, Encino, Erie, Eugene, Fairbanks, Farmington, Fayetteville, Fillmore, Findlay, Flagstaff, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Smith, Fort Wayne, Fredricton, Fresno, Gainesville, Galesburg, Galveston, Geneva, Grand Junction, Grand Prarie, Grand Rapids, Hadely, Hilo, Holland, Honolulu, Houston, Hull, Huntington, Huntsville, Indianapolis, Ithaca, Jasper, Jefferson City, Jersey City, Johnston, Juneau, Kamloops, Kansas City, Kelowna, Kezar Falls, Kingston, Knoxville, Lafeyette, Lancaster, Lansing, Las Cruces, Las Vegas, Lawrence, Leavinsworth, Lethbridge, Lexington, Lilloet, Lincoln, Little Rock, Long Beach, Louisville, Macomb, Madison, McAllen, Meadville, Medicine Hat, Medford, Melbourne, Memphis, Minneapolis, Miami, Midland, Milwaukee, Minden, Mobile, Moncton, Montpelier, Mount Vernon, Nanaimo, Naples, Nashville, Nelson, New Orleans, Newark, Niagra, Norfolk, North Bay, Olympia, Orange, Orangeville, Orillia, Orlando, Ottawa, Palm Desert, Parker Ford, Parry Sound, Pensacola, Peoria, Peterborough, Phoenix, Pittsboro, Plattsburg, Portland (Maine), Port Perry, Portsmouth, Qualicum Beach, Racine, Raleigh, Richland Center, Riverview, Rockford, Rolla, Sackville, St. Augustine, St. Catherines, St. Charles, St. Joeseph ...


I've been everywhere, man.
 
2013-05-06 11:34:29 AM
Fox News viewers still do not know that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, that there were not WMDs, and that the war actually cost money.
 
2013-05-06 11:35:17 AM
The failure to prosecute those responsible for these war crimes is one of America's greatest disappointments.
 
2013-05-06 11:35:19 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.


Useless wars, thousands of dead, and tens of thousands wounded really isn't anything to get upset about, is it?
 
2013-05-06 11:35:24 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.


seriously, reflecting on the objectively horrible mistakes of the recent past that still affect us to this day is for homos anyway amirite?
 
2013-05-06 11:35:28 AM
I was against the war, I thought the Bush administration was full of shiat, and I honestly didn't think he's be able to pull it off.
 
2013-05-06 11:36:08 AM

Citrate1007: Fox News viewers still do not know that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, that there were not WMDs, and that the war actually cost money.


Actually, they KNOW the opposite.
 
2013-05-06 11:36:24 AM
It's funny because many of the same people who rallied against the Iraq war are currently rallying for an intervention in Syria.
 
2013-05-06 11:37:17 AM
This is wishful thinking--and I'm a lefty. People were hugely and loudly against the war from day 1--a ton of people were out and vocal and it was being covered by the media. W was probably a hugely divisive president probably more than any due to Iraq. That decision, even with 9/11 relatively fresh in our minds, did not seem like a logical one.

I hate that we cannot be critical of troop action, or military action for that matter, without appearing anti-patriotic. A few friends of mine who've served in the military find it to be pandering too--a friend of mine who served in the Air Force from 2001-2005 hates when people call him a hero for basically spending 4 years drunk and whoring in Asia.
 
2013-05-06 11:37:25 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: SilentStrider: Yeah. Now in hindsight you realize shutting your eyes and yelling LALALALALALA to anyone who opposed the war was a bad idea.

Asshats.

I personally enjoyed being called "UnAmerican" and a traitor


You obviously were someone who was "against us" vs "with us". You should have stayed the course harder.
 
2013-05-06 11:37:44 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.

Useless wars, thousands of dead, and tens of thousands wounded really isn't anything to get upset about, is it?


His political sports team won. Nothing else matter.
 
2013-05-06 11:37:49 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-06 11:37:55 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.


It did really kind of suck getting sh*t on for all those years and being right the entire time. It's hard not to be bitter about it.
 
2013-05-06 11:38:04 AM
This war became Bush's Iraq.
 
2013-05-06 11:39:21 AM

sxacho: MaudlinMutantMollusk: SilentStrider: Yeah. Now in hindsight you realize shutting your eyes and yelling LALALALALALA to anyone who opposed the war was a bad idea.

Asshats.

I personally enjoyed being called "UnAmerican" and a traitor

You obviously were someone who was "against us" vs "with us". You should have stayed the course harder.


Would have been greeted as a liberator that would pay for itself.
 
2013-05-06 11:39:31 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.

It did really kind of suck getting sh*t on for all those years and being right the entire time. It's hard not to be bitter about it.


I could actually live with that if not for the fact that we seem hell-bent on repeating those very same mistakes now.
 
2013-05-06 11:39:34 AM
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2013-05-06 11:40:10 AM
The widespread dissent and opposition to the war was to a large degree downplayed, you might even say suppressed, by the large news organizations, Christiane, so there's your answer right there.

I'm still waiting for the right to concede that, no, there were no WMDs, no, we didn't have a legitimate reason to invade, yes, it was at the behest of the energy industry, yes, we were deliberately fed lies, and no, it didn't work out even for the oil men, and finally, and most importantly, no, the "surge" didn't work, all it did was give us breathing room to finish the monstrous Ministry of Love embassy in Baghdad and try to prop up the next rotten regime, which will eventually be driven from power, and when it is, our Ministry of Love will be surrounded, stoned, burned, and destroyed, and we will have to come to grips with the fact that the Iraq Murder Party was nothing but a massive failure, in every way conceviable.  That, rather than planting the seeds of democracy in the Middle East (which was never really the intention), what we have done is sow the seeds for yet more generations of factional war and murder and terrorism.  And that there were some elements on the right who wanted exactly that, eternal war, because you can make a lot of money, and you can browbeat the rubes with it.

But I can't just point fingers at the right.  Too much of the left was only too willing to jump onto the bandwagon (Feinstein's husband's company made billions), or at least to be intimidated and pressured into voting to start it, to expand it, to keep throwing good money, and people, after bad.

So here's a big Fark You to every Democrat who said, yeah sure, what the hell, USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-05-06 11:42:41 AM
Oh, that's all water under the bridge, unlike Benghazi.  Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.  Benghazi.
 
2013-05-06 11:43:38 AM
I remember when I came out against the war. It was shortly before the invasion and we were discussing it in my social studies class (I was a freshman in high school). I came to the conclusion that we should focus on fixing the economy before nation building.
 
2013-05-06 11:44:23 AM

Aar1012: I remember when I came out against the war. It was shortly before the invasion and we were discussing it in my social studies class (I was a freshman in high school). I came to the conclusion that we should focus on fixing the economy before nation building.


you sound like that hippie presidential candidate gov. bush
 
2013-05-06 11:45:01 AM

Cletus C.: This war became Bush's Iraq.


Better than an indefensible defense of people you'd vote for again in a heartbeat if it was Bush v. Obama, but it's a start...
 
2013-05-06 11:45:53 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread should take 'righteous indignation' to new heights never before seen in this part of the galaxy.


It's not too late to head on over to Baghdad with an American flag t-shirt and a pair of Truck Nutz strapped to your chin and show us how right you were.
 
2013-05-06 11:47:31 AM
How's that media dominated by Israelis working out for you America? Oh, about as well as their banking system.
 
2013-05-06 11:48:04 AM
We should waterboard Rumsfeld until he admits the truth. Letting him perpetuate the lie is an insult to all of us.
 
2013-05-06 11:49:08 AM
Did Iraq invade us?  No?  Then mission accomplished.
 
2013-05-06 11:49:20 AM
Still waiting for Rev Franklin Graham to go to Baghdad and hand out 100,000 Bibles, like he said he would do.

Lots of war profiteers made millions off the invasion, so it has that going for it.
 
2013-05-06 11:51:12 AM
Right, those were the Democrats called "unelectable" and "out there" by the so-called liberal media, right? Of course, the majority of Americans were more interested in whether Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife in order to continue banging a vapid blonde than about the lives of American soldiers, so long as we killed some sand, um, "socialists" and turned the Middle East to a glass parking lot.
 
2013-05-06 11:51:14 AM

TimonC346: This is wishful thinking--and I'm a lefty. People were hugely and loudly against the war from day 1--a ton of people were out and vocal and it was being covered by the media. W was probably a hugely divisive president probably more than any due to Iraq. That decision, even with 9/11 relatively fresh in our minds, did not seem like a logical one.


It was more than just saying it wasn't a good idea. A huge number of people were screaming that he was squandering the good will of the entire world by doing this. After 9/11, we had sympathy and support from practically everyone. If we had worked with that to get other governments to help, global terrorism might have actually been reduced and thousands of lives saved (beyond those lost in the Iraq War).

Instead we grunted "America, Fark Yeah!" and blew it. That's what happens when you let idiots run things.
 
2013-05-06 11:52:58 AM

coeyagi: Cletus C.: This war became Bush's Iraq.

Better than an indefensible defense of people you'd vote for again in a heartbeat if it was Bush v. Obama, but it's a start...


Your path of logic leads me to believe you still think there were WMDs in Iraq.
 
2013-05-06 11:53:38 AM

Kibbler: The widespread dissent and opposition to the war was to a large degree downplayed, you might even say suppressed, by the large news organizations, Christiane, so there's your answer right there.


Putting the WMDs aside, there was still the issue of it being a preemptive war. Iraq hadn't attacked us. Many people were against the war for that reason alone.

And then going back to the WMDs, the evidence that the Bush administration presented was always considered thin. There never was a smoking gun. It was: "Intelligence tells us that Sadam is trying to obtain this and that..." "These random objects could be used to enrich uranium..." "These arial photographs show what could be weapons storage facilities..."

Finally, lots of people pointed out that if Iraq had WMDs Sadam would have flaunted it to the world so they'd be a deterrent.
 
2013-05-06 11:53:54 AM

WTF Indeed: It's funny because many of the same people who rallied against the Iraq war are currently rallying for an intervention in Syria.


Who specifically?
 
2013-05-06 11:54:25 AM

Soup4Bonnie: Did Iraq invade us?  No?  Then mission accomplished.


Only because we sank all their landing craft off the Florida coast before they could come take our freedom.
 
2013-05-06 11:55:14 AM
Judith Miller should have been hung.
 
2013-05-06 11:57:17 AM

WTF Indeed: It's funny because many of the same people who rallied against the Iraq war are currently rallying for an intervention in Syria.


No. Quite the opposite, but thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-06 11:57:47 AM

Apik0r0s: Judith Miller should have been hung.


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2013-05-06 11:58:21 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Or 25,000 in Vancouver, Canada.
100,000 in Montreal.
10,000 in Toronto.
A million in London.
Two million in Rome.
A million and change in Barcelona.
100,000 in Paris.
500,000 in Berlin.
100,000 in Dublin (30,000 in Belfast).
35,000 in Stockholm.
150,000 in Melbourne.
100,000 in Sydney.
200,000 in Damascus.
10,000 in Beirut.
100 in Mostar, Bosnia.
25,000 in Baghdad.



You forgot Poland.
 
2013-05-06 12:01:02 PM

SilentStrider: Yeah. Now in hindsight you realize shutting your eyes and yelling LALALALALALA to anyone who opposed the war was a bad idea.

Asshats.


They got exactly what they wanted. It worked exactly as planned and no one is facing any charges. So I'm not sure why anyone thinks their tactics were bad idea, they worked perfectly.
 
2013-05-06 12:01:33 PM
The worst thing we can do when analyzing the Iraq War and Rumsfeld's time in the DoD is assuming that the fallout was accidental.  The fact is the Iraq War was declared with the knowledge that no WMDs or AQ link existed.  The whole purpose was to outsource the DoD to multinationals, resulting in what equates to legal theft of billions of US taxpayer dollars (and also Iraq's public resources, but no one seems to give a shiat about that).

There was no stupidity involved.  No accidents involved.  It was intentionally done the way it was done to throw Iraq into chaos and dismantle state control of the economy to funnel money to billionaires on the other side of the world.
 
2013-05-06 12:03:39 PM
The "majority" (in terms of those that are most vocal) on Fark was pro-war after 9/11. It was really an amazing time here. Farkers were wearing yellow ribbons on the back of their posts.
 
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