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(CNN)   Good news: It looks like Assad didn't use chemical weapons. Bad news: It looks like the Al Qaeda-backed rebels did. Which most certainly won't result in them being used on Americans...right? Sarin Spring?   (cnn.com) divider line 170
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2013-05-06 08:17:01 AM  
No worries, at this point it seems we're just going to fight a proxy war using our paw...err ally Isreal
 
2013-05-06 08:20:03 AM  
Lets just wash our hands clean of this and be done with it
 
2013-05-06 08:34:47 AM  
Sarin is just bug spray for humans.
 
2013-05-06 09:06:45 AM  
See? This? This is why you don't get involved in the internal affairs or other nations.
 
2013-05-06 09:17:21 AM  
Now let's watch as Senator McCain doubles down on arming them.
 
2013-05-06 09:17:48 AM  
fark them then.
 
2013-05-06 09:28:26 AM  
Remember when people were all "grr, argh, the president's red line on chemical weapons means nothing, he didn't attack, blurgh"

Good times.
 
2013-05-06 09:29:47 AM  
How are rebels supposed to get the lab equipment to create sarin? From what I've read it's pretty unstable and does not have a long shelf life. I'm no expert but I'm sure fark has some chemistry nerds. How feasible is it for a group of rebels that probably do not have a secure lab environment to manufacture and deliver sarin?

I know we have a lot of military guys and gals. Wouldn't the regular Syrian army be trained on defending against things like sarin? Would they not be equipped to minimize the effectiveness of WMD attack?

Seems like a stretch to me. How can a group that is fighting a guerilla campaign have the means to manufacture and deliver chemical weapons?
 
2013-05-06 09:30:59 AM  

sammyk: How are rebels supposed to get the lab equipment to create sarin? From what I've read it's pretty unstable and does not have a long shelf life. I'm no expert but I'm sure fark has some chemistry nerds. How feasible is it for a group of rebels that probably do not have a secure lab environment to manufacture and deliver sarin?

I know we have a lot of military guys and gals. Wouldn't the regular Syrian army be trained on defending against things like sarin? Would they not be equipped to minimize the effectiveness of WMD attack?

Seems like a stretch to me. How can a group that is fighting a guerilla campaign have the means to manufacture and deliver chemical weapons?


The bodies they tested didn't contain Sarin, if I recall correctly. It was some other bullcrap.
 
2013-05-06 09:36:55 AM  

LasersHurt: The bodies they tested didn't contain Sarin, if I recall correctly. It was some other bullcrap.


Phosphorus and Mustard Gas both items that could have come from a destabilized Libya or captured Chemical site overrun by Rebels
 
2013-05-06 09:49:30 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: No worries, at this point it seems we're just going to fight a proxy war using our paw...err ally Isreal


I think you've got that relationship reversed.
 
2013-05-06 10:03:00 AM  
Yeah if Al-Nusra got their hands on chemical weapons, that's a pandora box of shiat that's just been opened.
 
2013-05-06 10:03:35 AM  
...and had we listened to John McCain we would have been in there guns-a-blazing a few months ago.

Please.  For the sake of the nation.  Either go die or retire.  You can pick.
 
2013-05-06 10:03:40 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sarin is just bug spray for humans.


I laughed way too hard at that.

/Window seat, please. The cart bumps my elbow.
 
2013-05-06 10:04:07 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-06 10:04:15 AM  

Diogenes: Now let's watch as Senator McCain doubles down on arming them.


Not all rebels are Islamic fundamentalist farkwads.
 
2013-05-06 10:05:55 AM  
It's almost like an intervention by US forces would force us to fight both a government and an Al-Qaeda organization which is exactly what happened in Iraq.
 
2013-05-06 10:06:00 AM  
wait wait wait..are these the al quaeda that are our friends or our enemies?  I keep forgetting which is which as the weeks go on.
 
2013-05-06 10:06:23 AM  

LasersHurt: Remember when people were all "grr, argh, the president's red line on chemical weapons means nothing, he didn't attack, blurgh"

Good times.


Oh yes, because if it's farking Al-Qaeda using chemical weapons, we should all just ignore it and move on, it's really only bad if Assad is the one using it.

sammyk: How are rebels supposed to get the lab equipment to create sarin? From what I've read it's pretty unstable and does not have a long shelf life. I'm no expert but I'm sure fark has some chemistry nerds. How feasible is it for a group of rebels that probably do not have a secure lab environment to manufacture and deliver sarin?


Defectors from the regime having stolen shiat would be my number 1 guess.
 
2013-05-06 10:06:30 AM  
Now the hawks will pivot to just blowing up everyone to support israel.
 
2013-05-06 10:07:06 AM  
Anyone can make phosgene in their basement with no chemistry skill from two simple things found at your local hardware store and rudimentary glassware. Easily done on a larger scale via another simple method.
 
2013-05-06 10:07:31 AM  

You Are All Sheep: wait wait wait..are these the al quaeda that are our friends or our enemies?  I keep forgetting which is which as the weeks go on.


What are you talking about?  We were always at war with Eurasia.
 
2013-05-06 10:07:49 AM  
But the Islamists come with free sprinkles!
 
2013-05-06 10:08:44 AM  

Tatsuma: Diogenes: Now let's watch as Senator McCain doubles down on arming them.

Not all rebels are Islamic fundamentalist farkwads.


Tatsuma: LasersHurt: Remember when people were all "grr, argh, the president's red line on chemical weapons means nothing, he didn't attack, blurgh"

Good times.

Oh yes, because if it's farking Al-Qaeda using chemical weapons, we should all just ignore it and move on, it's really only bad if Assad is the one using it.


Sooooo....
 
2013-05-06 10:09:07 AM  
Sarin gas is nasty stuff but incredibly hard to make but also hard to detect. The Japanese Subway murderers used Sarin gas. There is an interesting documentary on YouTube about this subject.
 
2013-05-06 10:09:08 AM  
... do you people not realize how earth-shattering and cataclysmicly terrible this news if, if true? All these talks of 'game changers' and 'red lines' are nothing next to Al Qaeda having now access to actual chemical weapons.

Do you really think that if they got a crate of them, they haven't already shipped away half of it outside of Syria?

You don't think their first goal will be to find a way to smuggle these in Europe and in America?

This is really farked.
 
2013-05-06 10:09:20 AM  
Let Israel deal with it. They have been chomping at the bit over Syria for a while now. We don't need to get involved in another war over there.
 
2013-05-06 10:10:17 AM  

Tatsuma: LasersHurt: Remember when people were all "grr, argh, the president's red line on chemical weapons means nothing, he didn't attack, blurgh"

Good times.

Oh yes, because if it's farking Al-Qaeda using chemical weapons, we should all just ignore it and move on, it's really only bad if Assad is the one using it.


My point was that calling for military intervention and blaming the president for not doing it - based on Assad using Chemical Weapons - looks pretty farking dumb in hindsight, what with it NOT being Assad using chemical weapons, but rather some sort of false flag meant to entice international involvement.

It's still bad, but in a totally different way. We haven't seen sustained use, either - which makes me think, personally, it was a one-off to see what would happen.
 
2013-05-06 10:10:27 AM  

Tatsuma: ... do you people not realize how earth-shattering and cataclysmicly terrible this news if, if true? All these talks of 'game changers' and 'red lines' are nothing next to Al Qaeda having now access to actual chemical weapons.

Do you really think that if they got a crate of them, they haven't already shipped away half of it outside of Syria?

You don't think their first goal will be to find a way to smuggle these in Europe and in America?

This is really farked.


Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels
 
2013-05-06 10:12:12 AM  

Tatsuma: Oh yes, because if it's farking Al-Qaeda using chemical weapons, we should all just ignore it and move on, it's really only bad if Assad is the one using it.


Well Assad is the only one we can negotiate with and/or put sanctions on. There really isn't anything we can do if Al-Qaeda is doing it. Well we could go in there guns blazing but really do we want to do that?
 
2013-05-06 10:14:38 AM  
Well, the actual facts are unimportant. The important thing is that we follow the narrative, shiat our pants in fear of "Muslim terrorists", and give the Military Industrial complex trillions of our tax dollars and thousands of our young to go fight wars against goatherds on the other side of the planet.
 
2013-05-06 10:16:30 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Tatsuma: Oh yes, because if it's farking Al-Qaeda using chemical weapons, we should all just ignore it and move on, it's really only bad if Assad is the one using it.

Well Assad is the only one we can negotiate with and/or put sanctions on. There really isn't anything we can do if Al-Qaeda is doing it. Well we could go in there guns blazing but really do we want to do that?


nothing?
well if using chemical wpns is good enuf for an invasion that many of you wanted
then its good enuf to support who ever is trying to take out those b********ds
(which would be syria in this case)
 
2013-05-06 10:18:14 AM  

jso2897: Well, the actual facts are unimportant. The important thing is that we follow the narrative, shiat our pants in fear of "Muslim terrorists", and give the Military Industrial complex trillions of our tax dollars and thousands of our young to go fight wars against goatherds on the other side of the planet.


Awesome! That was very trolly and yet didn't directly address the topic in any way. Is this a macro? It should be!
 
2013-05-06 10:19:38 AM  
OH MY GOD.  REPORTS OF AL QAEDA OBTAINING WMDS IN A COUNTRY IN THE NEAR EAST.  IT MUST BE TIME TO INVADE.

ALSO IT'S A DAY ENDING IN Y.

ALSO THE WAR WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.  THEY WILL GREET US AS LIBERATORS.  ASSAD IS A BAD MAN, NO WAIT, DOES THAT WORK NOW?  YES IT ALWAYS WORKS, ASSAD IS A BAD MAN.
 
2013-05-06 10:19:44 AM  

LasersHurt: My point was that calling for military intervention and blaming the president for not doing it - based on Assad using Chemical Weapons - looks pretty farking dumb in hindsight, what with it NOT being Assad using chemical weapons, but rather some sort of false flag meant to entice international involvement.

It's still bad, but in a totally different way. We haven't seen sustained use, either - which makes me think, personally, it was a one-off to see what would happen.


Did he just say 'If Assad uses chemical weapons' or 'if chemical weapons are used'. Cause it sure seems like the second one should have been the game changer.

Aarontology: Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels


Al-Nusra (aka Al Qaeda) are worse than Assad. The only reason they have not killed as many as him is that they lack the means to. Them having access to chemical weapons just leveled the playing field.

So how about we just kill both?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: There really isn't anything we can do if Al-Qaeda is doing it.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-06 10:20:46 AM  
I wonder what John McCain and Lindsey Graham have to say about this. Aren't they all gung ho about arming the rebels despite knowledge that many of them are actually foreign islamic militants and have backing of terrorist organizations?
 
2013-05-06 10:20:51 AM  

Aarontology: Tatsuma: ... do you people not realize how earth-shattering and cataclysmicly terrible this news if, if true? All these talks of 'game changers' and 'red lines' are nothing next to Al Qaeda having now access to actual chemical weapons.

Do you really think that if they got a crate of them, they haven't already shipped away half of it outside of Syria?

You don't think their first goal will be to find a way to smuggle these in Europe and in America?

This is really farked.

Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels


Otherwise the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud (of chemicals).

/Your forbearance period for services rendered during the Iranian uprising has expired, Tats.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:20 AM  

Aarontology: Tatsuma: ... do you people not realize how earth-shattering and cataclysmicly terrible this news if, if true? All these talks of 'game changers' and 'red lines' are nothing next to Al Qaeda having now access to actual chemical weapons.

Do you really think that if they got a crate of them, they haven't already shipped away half of it outside of Syria?

You don't think their first goal will be to find a way to smuggle these in Europe and in America?

This is really farked.

Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels


Actually, thinking about it, if you are Assad giving the rebels your chemical weapons was probably the best move you could have made.
 
2013-05-06 10:22:25 AM  

Kibbler: OH MY GOD.  REPORTS OF AL QAEDA OBTAINING WMDS IN A COUNTRY IN THE NEAR EAST.  IT MUST BE TIME TO INVADE.

ALSO IT'S A DAY ENDING IN Y.

ALSO THE WAR WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.  THEY WILL GREET US AS LIBERATORS.  ASSAD IS A BAD MAN, NO WAIT, DOES THAT WORK NOW?  YES IT ALWAYS WORKS, ASSAD IS A BAD MAN.


And the war will be called "Operation fool me twice."
 
2013-05-06 10:22:39 AM  

ModernLuddite: But the Islamists come with free sprinkles!


That's good.
 
2013-05-06 10:24:04 AM  

Tatsuma: LasersHurt: My point was that calling for military intervention and blaming the president for not doing it - based on Assad using Chemical Weapons - looks pretty farking dumb in hindsight, what with it NOT being Assad using chemical weapons, but rather some sort of false flag meant to entice international involvement.

It's still bad, but in a totally different way. We haven't seen sustained use, either - which makes me think, personally, it was a one-off to see what would happen.

Did he just say 'If Assad uses chemical weapons' or 'if chemical weapons are used'. Cause it sure seems like the second one should have been the game changer.

Aarontology: Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels

Al-Nusra (aka Al Qaeda) are worse than Assad. The only reason they have not killed as many as him is that they lack the means to. Them having access to chemical weapons just leveled the playing field.

So how about we just kill both?


So you are saying treat this like America treated the Iran-Iraq war and hope for both sides to lose?
 
2013-05-06 10:24:05 AM  

Tatsuma: So how about we just kill both?


I think a much better idea is to let them kill each other and not get involved in yet another Middle Eastern problem seeing as how America hasn't been attacked or is in any danger.

Lochsteppe: Otherwise the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud (of chemicals).


That sounds familiar...
 
2013-05-06 10:24:19 AM  
#falseflag
 
2013-05-06 10:24:27 AM  

Tatsuma: LasersHurt: My point was that calling for military intervention and blaming the president for not doing it - based on Assad using Chemical Weapons - looks pretty farking dumb in hindsight, what with it NOT being Assad using chemical weapons, but rather some sort of false flag meant to entice international involvement.

It's still bad, but in a totally different way. We haven't seen sustained use, either - which makes me think, personally, it was a one-off to see what would happen.

Did he just say 'If Assad uses chemical weapons' or 'if chemical weapons are used'. Cause it sure seems like the second one should have been the game changer.

Aarontology: Clearly, we should be aiding Assad in destroying the rebels

Al-Nusra (aka Al Qaeda) are worse than Assad. The only reason they have not killed as many as him is that they lack the means to. Them having access to chemical weapons just leveled the playing field.

So how about we just kill both?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: There really isn't anything we can do if Al-Qaeda is doing it.

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static.comicvine.com
 
2013-05-06 10:25:20 AM  
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Not this shiat again.
 
2013-05-06 10:25:23 AM  

Tatsuma: LasersHurt: My point was that calling for military intervention and blaming the president for not doing it - based on Assad using Chemical Weapons - looks pretty farking dumb in hindsight, what with it NOT being Assad using chemical weapons, but rather some sort of false flag meant to entice international involvement.

It's still bad, but in a totally different way. We haven't seen sustained use, either - which makes me think, personally, it was a one-off to see what would happen.

Did he just say 'If Assad uses chemical weapons' or 'if chemical weapons are used'. Cause it sure seems like the second one should have been the game changer.


"Obama said: "We have been very clear to the (Bashar Assad) regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. "

As I read that, if there were additional uses going forward, then it would be "over the line"? This single use could very well be bait, and it's wise not to give in there. It's also not a sophisticated agent they used, either.
 
2013-05-06 10:25:36 AM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-05-06 10:25:53 AM  

Source4leko: Actually, thinking about it, if you are Assad giving the rebels your chemical weapons was probably the best move you could have made.


Yep. It changes the dynamic greatly. Now, instead of a tyrant brutalizing his people, he's waging a war against terrorists who supposedly have chemical weapons.
 
2013-05-06 10:28:12 AM  

LasersHurt: "Obama said: "We have been very clear to the (Bashar Assad) regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. "

As I read that, if there were additional uses going forward, then it would be "over the line"? This single use could very well be bait, and it's wise not to give in there. It's also not a sophisticated agent they used, either.


Just see it from the political point of view: How do you think it's gonna play if Obama talks about red lines in Syria over chemical weapons and does nothing when Al Qaeda starts using them?

He's gonna take a battering in the media and  Congress.
 
2013-05-06 10:28:26 AM  
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