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(Talking Points Memo)   WH "horrified" by 100 Syrians executed. Not horrified enough to personally shove a cruise missile up Assad's ass, but they are *really* getting pissed off now   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 229
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2013-05-06 08:17:48 AM
Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums
 
2013-05-06 08:20:34 AM
Yeah, let's get involved in another war in the Middle East. Great idea... *rolls eyes*
 
2013-05-06 08:21:27 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums


There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either
 
2013-05-06 08:24:25 AM

somedude210: There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.


That was a year ago, at this point the rebels are holding their own and Assad is holed up in fortified areas lobbing the occasional shelling.

If we wanted we could end this in a month by lobbing a few cruise missiles in key area and instituting a no fly zone proxy through Israel. However we really do not want egg on our face this time around and are waiting for Russia to come around as even China at this point has telegraphed they would sign onto a UN resolution.
 
2013-05-06 08:27:08 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: f we wanted we could end this in a month by lobbing a few cruise missiles in key area and instituting a no fly zone proxy through Israel. However we really do not want egg on our face this time around and are waiting for Russia to come around as even China at this point has telegraphed they would sign onto a UN resolution.


Russia seems to be getting a bit more open to this idea, but I do believe it needs to be an actual joint-operation from the major players in the world.

but cruise missiles and drones do prevent the loss of american lives. We just need spotters on the ground to designate targets
 
2013-05-06 08:28:11 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: somedude210: There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

That was a year ago, at this point the rebels are holding their own and Assad is holed up in fortified areas lobbing the occasional shelling.

If we wanted we could end this in a month by lobbing a few cruise missiles in key area and instituting a no fly zone proxy through Israel. However we really do not want egg on our face this time around and are waiting for Russia to come around as even China at this point has telegraphed they would sign onto a UN resolution.


Is it naive to hold out hope that the U.N. will properly take action here?
 
2013-05-06 08:30:58 AM

nekom: IdBeCrazyIf: somedude210: There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

That was a year ago, at this point the rebels are holding their own and Assad is holed up in fortified areas lobbing the occasional shelling.

If we wanted we could end this in a month by lobbing a few cruise missiles in key area and instituting a no fly zone proxy through Israel. However we really do not want egg on our face this time around and are waiting for Russia to come around as even China at this point has telegraphed they would sign onto a UN resolution.

Is it naive to hold out hope that the U.N. will properly take action here?


The accusation of the rebels using chemical weapons may throw a monkey wrench into the works.  Then again, there may be so much momentum built up for the desire to remove Bashar al-Assad that the Security Council takes a position of "remove the regime and sort out the war crimes after".
 
2013-05-06 08:33:05 AM

UNC_Samurai: The accusation of the rebels using chemical weapons may throw a monkey wrench into the works. Then again, there may be so much momentum built up for the desire to remove Bashar al-Assad that the Security Council takes a position of "remove the regime and sort out the war crimes after".


Just heard that over NPR, that's an interesting turn of events if it turns out to be true
 
2013-05-06 08:36:31 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums

There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either


America

FARK YEAH!

Worlds police force indeed
 
2013-05-06 08:37:18 AM
I for one do not give a rat's ass about Syria.

And I care even less about Israel.

They want to kill each other, go right ahead.
 
2013-05-06 08:37:36 AM

nekom: Is it naive to hold out hope that the U.N. will properly take action here?


It may turn into a joint operation outside the US at this point, led by Israel and other Euro forces while the US provides munitions, intelligence, and operational support.
 
2013-05-06 08:38:24 AM
America! fark yeah!!
 
2013-05-06 08:38:35 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums

There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either


Rwanda called, they want their 4 million people back.
 
2013-05-06 08:39:04 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums

There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either



This is based on the false idea that the United States government has the best interests of the Syrian people at heart. If this were the case, the money we sent to Assad all of those years would have been conditioned on his improving his human rights record. It wasn't. In fact, prior to the Arab Spring, Assad's torture rooms were a favorite rendition destination for people the CIA wanted tortured but didn't want to get their hands dirty with. No, our government has all the concern for the Syrian people that it had the Iraqi and Afghani people, which is precisely none. This is just another attempt to use so-called humanitarian intervention as a cover for serving the political and financial interests of the United States, consequences be damned.
 
2013-05-06 08:40:25 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: nekom: Is it naive to hold out hope that the U.N. will properly take action here?

It may turn into a joint operation outside the US at this point, led by Israel and other Euro forces while the US provides munitions, intelligence, and operational support.


I'm not sure I'm thrilled to see Israel in the mix at all.  I'm on the fence mainly because I see what's going on, and jesus christ there are children involved who certainly don't deserve this shiat, but on the other hand I'm tired of my country always playing world police.  I'd like to see some international response, U.N preferably with Russia on board.  No easy answers, that's for sure.
 
2013-05-06 08:44:36 AM

nekom: I'd like to see some international response, U.N preferably with Russia on board.


Russia doesn't want to lose it's proxy seller for weapons designed in Russia, created in North Korea and sold to Iran, Syria and then distributed to the world at large.

It call comes down to money really.
 
2013-05-06 08:48:29 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: nekom: I'd like to see some international response, U.N preferably with Russia on board.

Russia doesn't want to lose it's proxy seller for weapons designed in Russia, created in North Korea and sold to Iran, Syria and then distributed to the world at large.

It call comes down to money really.


Well sure, and it would be ridiculous to expect Russia to go against their own interests.  That's fair enough, I guess, or at least it's nothing that we haven't done just as much of throughout history.  But even Russia has to realize that at some point, something's got to give here.  Of what use to Russia is a broken regime holed up in a few small areas with no real control over the bulk of the country?  At some point, you just have to cut your losses, no?
 
2013-05-06 08:50:31 AM

nekom: At some point, you just have to cut your losses, no?


Conflict sells weapons but yes at some point you do want to cut your losses. The other looming issues is that if Syria falls then that removes the last remaining step for Israel doing what it wants to Iran as well.

And to be perfectly honest, we don't want any of this, but this is what happens when you have superpowers who fight proxy war years ago. We're dealing with the fall out from actions done in the 50's and 70's
 
2013-05-06 08:53:51 AM

somedude210: There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.


Because that's worked out so well for us in the past.
 
2013-05-06 08:54:05 AM
It's a shame that the public has no say in this matter.
 
2013-05-06 09:06:29 AM

johnryan51: It's a shame that the public has no say in this matter.


We did, last November.  We chose the guy who is carefully weighing our options as opposed to the guy who was willing to plunge headlong into a military escalation with Iran or whomever looked threatening/beatable.
 
2013-05-06 09:08:06 AM
How many people have been executed in the United States this year?
 
2013-05-06 09:09:11 AM

Aarontology: How many people have been executed in the United States this year?


Chris Dorner and Tsarnaev.
 
2013-05-06 09:11:39 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Rwanda called, they want their 4 million people back.


Bosnia called and would like to thank us for keeping the slaughter from being complete

(Rwanda was also a UN action. We all acknowledge that the UN is powerless when dealing with this crap)

Sybarite: This is just another attempt to use so-called humanitarian intervention as a cover for serving the political and financial interests of the United States, consequences be damned.


What do we gain for intervening in Syria at this point? At the very least, we save some people.

It's not like we're going to war to be treated as liberators.
 
2013-05-06 09:14:47 AM

UNC_Samurai: johnryan51: It's a shame that the public has no say in this matter.

We did, last November.  We chose the guy who is carefully weighing our options as opposed to the guy who was willing to plunge headlong into a military escalation with Iran or whomever looked threatening/beatable.


Indeed.  And at least on some level, it's comforting to have a competent POTUS once again.  But I think the point still has some merit, this is international politics and on some level it transcends party lines.
 
2013-05-06 09:14:49 AM

UNC_Samurai: We did, last November. We chose the guy who is carefully weighing our options as opposed to the guy who was willing to plunge headlong into a military escalation with Iran or whomever looked threatening/beatable.


and we welcome that.
 
2013-05-06 09:18:42 AM
How does subby expect to pay for those cruise missiles? Tax cuts for the rich?
 
2013-05-06 09:22:48 AM

Sleeping Monkey: How does subby expect to pay for those cruise missiles? Tax cuts for the rich?


they're already made? we have quite a bit of an arsenal since the 80s
 
2013-05-06 09:28:34 AM

somedude210: Sleeping Monkey: How does subby expect to pay for those cruise missiles? Tax cuts for the rich?

they're already made? we have quite a bit of an arsenal since the 80s


Free cruise missiles? I somehow doubt the policy is to use them and not replace them. Not to mention the manpower and costs involved in positioning and launching them.
 
2013-05-06 09:30:55 AM
So what happens when we launch a cruise missile or drone strike and a bunch of innocent civilians get killed in the collateral damage like they have been during Obama's drone wars?

Do those innocent deaths count as outrages? Or because they died by our hands we just keep quiet about them?
 
2013-05-06 09:31:23 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Free cruise missiles? I somehow doubt the policy is to use them and not replace them. Not to mention the manpower and costs involved in positioning and launching them.


I'm not saying they're free, just that we have quite a bit in storage. but yes, everything has a cost. Still beats boots on the ground though, which is the last thing we should ever do in "police actions"
 
2013-05-06 09:37:18 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums

There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either


You're advocating war.
 
2013-05-06 09:55:07 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com

Look at all that confetti. Assad's released his best soldier!

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2013-05-06 09:56:27 AM
People like Tamerlan Tsaernov see the USA allow evil to exist in the world like this.  They see us permit it, so they don't have a second thought about doing what they do.  I have a theory that allowing this kind of stuff to happen in syria leads to things like Boston.
 
2013-05-06 09:58:17 AM

SlothB77: People like Tamerlan Tsaernov see the USA allow evil to exist in the world like this.  They see us permit it, so they don't have a second thought about doing what they do.  I have a theory that allowing this kind of stuff to happen in syria leads to things like Boston.


No the little brother pretty confirmed it was because we got involved in Afghanistan and Iraq
 
2013-05-06 10:02:13 AM

DamnYankees: You're advocating war.


as in troops on the ground? no. A Bosnia-like intervention, yes, if it's possible.
 
2013-05-06 10:03:01 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: Bring out the hawks, lets start beating those war drums

There's war and then there's trying to save a people from mass slaughter. It's getting to the point where we may need to intervene, not because we want war, but because it's the humane thing to do.

/not advocating war
//not advocating sitting on our asses either


Unfortunately, pretty much every time we intervene because it's the humane thing to do, we end up making the situation worse.
 
2013-05-06 10:03:49 AM
Let Israel deal with it

/with our money and weapons
 
2013-05-06 10:03:51 AM

somedude210: DamnYankees: You're advocating war.

as in troops on the ground? no. A Bosnia-like intervention, yes, if it's possible.


You do realize that we did have troops on the ground in Bosnia, yes?
 
2013-05-06 10:04:01 AM
You can always go join up with the rebels if you think the president is dragging his feet.
 
2013-05-06 10:04:17 AM
Ok, so we take out Assad. Then what?
 
2013-05-06 10:05:10 AM

LordJiro: Ok, so we take out Assad. Then what?


It is my understanding that when you take out a Middle Eastern tyrant, everything becomes freedom and peace without any sort of negative repercussions.
 
2013-05-06 10:07:18 AM
I may be misremembering things, but weren't right wingers happily pointing out that the rebels were al Qaeda, or had ties to al Qaeda or whatever, during the earlier stages of the conflict, and more or less siding with Assad?
 
2013-05-06 10:07:51 AM

Aarontology: LordJiro: Ok, so we take out Assad. Then what?

It is my understanding that when you take out a Middle Eastern tyrant, everything becomes freedom and peace without any sort of negative repercussions.


That's ridiculous. You have to install your own tyrant first.
 
2013-05-06 10:09:07 AM

Karma Chameleon: That's ridiculous. You have to install your own tyrant first.


That's another question. Do we even have a puppet to install?
 
2013-05-06 10:09:23 AM

LordJiro: Ok, so we take out Assad. Then what?


The fundamentalist rebels take over, institute a new tyrannical regime, and start squashing rebellion and dissent. In 10-15 years we do it all over again. It's a great jobs program.
 
2013-05-06 10:09:56 AM
WH "horrified" by 100 Syrians executed. Not horrified enough to personally shove a cruise missile up Assad's ass, but they are *really* getting pissed off now

OH NOES! We're not going to get into another war! How terrible!!

/retards
 
2013-05-06 10:10:04 AM
Syrians bleed silly string?  Does Assad still not know the blood code?  ABACABB
 
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2013-05-06 10:10:54 AM
Why are so keen to "put a missile up his ass"?

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More money for the war profiteers, maybe?
 
2013-05-06 10:11:10 AM

somedude210: DamnYankees: You're advocating war.

as in troops on the ground? no. A Bosnia-like intervention, yes, if it's possible.


Yeah, that's simply not going to happen, especially now that the evidence suggests the rebels were the ones using chemical weapons against Assad. We should stay the fark out of this one.
 
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