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2013-05-06 09:09:29 AM  
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2013-05-06 09:32:40 AM  
"Just one example of their nonexistent predictive value: when Michael Jordan came into the league, was anyone saying he was the "next Oscar Robinson" (or the first Michael Jordan)?"

No you idiot, they were claiming he was the next Dr. J.
 
2013-05-06 09:40:24 AM  
Kobe Bryant and LeBron James both fit the transcending-their-time, true superstar (not just ESPN-hyped "superstar" that teams need three of to make the playoffs) model.  In both of their cases, the "Next Michael Jordan" tag was appropriate.
 
2013-05-06 09:48:42 AM  
Because the NBA won't protect another superstar who bets on basketball games?
 
2013-05-06 09:50:51 AM  

meanmutton: Kobe Bryant and LeBron James both fits the transcending-their-time, true superstar (not just ESPN-hyped "superstar" that teams need three of to make the playoffs) model.  In both of their cases, the "Next Michael Jordan" tag was appropriate.


There you go.
 
2013-05-06 10:08:01 AM  
They have been right every year.

We're talking baseball, right?
 
2013-05-06 10:13:50 AM  
A Lebron/MJ comparison is apples and oranges, different types of players and different positions.  And barring serious injury, Lebron will SHATTER Jordan's individual career stats (except PPG and # of scoring titles).

A Kobe/MJ comparison can be made because they're apples and apples.  MJ is the better apple, but Kobe seems like the closest one could ever get to 23.  Kobe has a lot of intangibles that his haters will just never want to recognize... the man's determination to win and competitiveness is un-farking-believable.
 
2013-05-06 10:59:39 AM  

You see dem stains on there: Kobe has a lot of intangibles that his haters will just never want to recognize... the man's determination to win and competitiveness is un-farking-believable.


Shaquille O'Neal, Derek Fisher, and Pau Gasol are intangible?
 
2013-05-06 11:04:18 AM  

You see dem stains on there: A Kobe/MJ comparison can be made because they're apples and apples.


Yeah and it's an easy comparison.  Kobe is not near the player of MJ.  He's great, but MJ beats him easily across the board.
 
2013-05-06 12:04:38 PM  

You see dem stains on there: A Lebron/MJ comparison is apples and oranges, different types of players and different positions.  And barring serious injury, Lebron will SHATTER Jordan's individual career stats (except PPG and # of scoring titles).

A Kobe/MJ comparison can be made because they're apples and apples.  MJ is the better apple, but Kobe seems like the closest one could ever get to 23.  Kobe has a lot of intangibles that his haters will just never want to recognize... the man's determination to win and competitiveness is un-farking-believable

a sociopath, just like Michael Jordan.

FTFY
 
2013-05-06 12:05:28 PM  

MugzyBrown: You see dem stains on there: A Kobe/MJ comparison can be made because they're apples and apples.

...He's great, but MJ beats him easily across the board.


Wholeheartedly agreed, but nobody else at the 2 guard comes as close in modern NBA history.

EyeballKid: You see dem stains on there: Kobe has a lot of intangibles that his haters will just never want to recognize... the man's determination to win and competitiveness is un-farking-believable.

Shaquille O'Neal, Derek Fisher, and Pau Gasol are intangible?


*cough*  Nobody wins a championship on their own.
 
2013-05-06 12:09:37 PM  

EyeballKid: You see dem stains on there: Kobe has a lot of intangibles that his haters will just never want to recognize... the man's determination to win and competitiveness is un-farking-believable.

Shaquille O'Neal, Derek Fisher, and Pau Gasol are intangible?


As much as Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and Deniss Rodman were.
 
2013-05-06 12:55:45 PM  
Michael Jordan was not only a supreme athlete, that was described as a rare, gifted athlete that still managed to over achieve, but had a burning hatred for loosing.  The year the Bulls won 72 games, he was pissed they lost 10.  The stories of fights during Bulls practices were frequent when he thought his team wasn't practicing hard enough.  Jordan's and the Bull's offensive numbers and highlights are everywhere, but that team was build around defense and Jordan was defensive player of the year once, all defensive team nine times and lead the league in steals three times

Match this to Lebron.  Lebron is a truly gifting athlete that has obviously worked very hard on this game.  However, he will take a night off.
 
2013-05-06 02:39:24 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: Michael Jordan was not only a supreme athlete, that was described as a rare, gifted athlete that still managed to over achieve, but had a burning hatred for loosing.  The year the Bulls won 72 games, he was pissed they lost 10.  The stories of fights during Bulls practices were frequent when he thought his team wasn't practicing hard enough.  Jordan's and the Bull's offensive numbers and highlights are everywhere, but that team was build around defense and Jordan was defensive player of the year once, all defensive team nine times and lead the league in steals three times

Match this to Lebron.  Lebron is a truly gifting athlete that has obviously worked very hard on this game.  However, he will take a night off.


This is what made Jordan "Jordan".  There have been and will be athletes as talented as Jordan was at the game.  The question will be which among them have that burning passion and ability to lead their teams.  Jordan was able to get the team to follow his lead (he may have brow beat them into it, but it was his team and everyone looked to Jordan on that team.)  Another thing about Jordan I don't really see in Kobe or LeBron is what he did on an off-night.  If Jordan was cold offensively, he would turn it up on defense.  Kobe seems to give up on cold nights or start shifting the blame.

Kobe and Lebron don't seem to have the leadership ability Jordan had.  Jordan was more then just stats.  LeBron will have some impressive stats at the end of his career due to joining the league at such a young age but I wonder if he will ever just get the hunger Jordan had for winning.
 
2013-05-06 02:41:23 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: Michael Jordan was not only a supreme athlete, that was described as a rare, gifted athlete that still managed to over achieve, but had a burning hatred for loosing.


Yeah; he really loved holding things tight instead.
 
2013-05-06 02:43:13 PM  
No one will be the "next Jordan" because what Jordan embodied was- aside from his skills and stats- a revolution off the court.  He was the first to be an actual brand.  That ship has sailed, but he was the first.  Now many stars are "brands".  Kobe and Lebron are, but they're merely following in Jordan's footsteps in that regard.
 
2013-05-06 03:17:15 PM  
It's impossible that someone is called the "next Jordan"?  Or stats prove that something is impossible?

headline sucks
 
2013-05-06 03:44:18 PM  

You see dem stains on there: *cough* Nobody wins a championship on their own.


This.  What people have always overlooked about Jordan is that Jordan hated losing more than anything.  ANYTHING.  He hated losing more than he hated whatever his teammates did that pissed him off.  He hated losing more than he hated bad press, or pressure from the media.  He hated losing more than he hated discipline and work ethic.  He hated losing more than he hated sharing the spot light, and more than he hated any bad decision his coach made. He hated losing more than shenanigans from his bench mates, and prima donna behavior.  Jordan didn't just make the big plays, Jordan tried to make the right plays.  People forget one of his rings came off a game clinching shot that Jordan passed to someone more open.

The really beautiful thing is LeBron is turning into that kind of player, too.  He's always had a great passing game, and he's stepping up his dominance to the defensive side of the floor.  He's not stylistically the same as Jordan, but in terms of all around dominance and drive to win, LeBron is starting to find it.  It just took him a while because he had to cut his teeth in a market that didn't deserve him.
 
2013-05-06 03:57:21 PM  

Hyjamon: Kobe and Lebron don't seem to have the leadership ability Jordan had.


LOL Jordan was (and is - check out the Bobcats) one of the worst leaders in the world. You seem to be mistaking being an incredible asshole for being a leader (Jordan eventually became a little bit less of an ass, but that was after he was winning titles).
 
2013-05-06 04:19:11 PM  

Mr Guy: The really beautiful thing is LeBron is turning into that kind of player, too. He's always had a great passing game, and he's stepping up his dominance to the defensive side of the floor. He's not stylistically the same as Jordan, but in terms of all around dominance and drive to win, LeBron is starting to find it. It just took him a while because he had to cut his teeth in a market that didn't deserve him.


Perhaps more importantly, his teammates in Cleveland weren't all that good.
 
2013-05-06 04:40:55 PM  

IAmRight: LOL Jordan was (and is - check out the Bobcats) one of the worst leaders in the world. You seem to be mistaking being an incredible asshole for being a leader (Jordan eventually became a little bit less of an ass, but that was after he was winning titles).


I don't care much about how a former player transitions into an executive role.  Totally different than playing.

Do remember Jordan is credited, along with Phil Jackson, for regning in Rodman's antics (as much as possible) to get more out of him than the Spurs could.
 
2013-05-06 04:51:49 PM  

downstairs: Do remember Jordan is credited, along with Phil Jackson, for regning in Rodman's antics (as much as possible) to get more out of him than the Spurs could.


Of course he is. Jordan is credited with anything and everything in the world in any way tangentially related to him. Rodman had more antics with Chicago than with anyone; the Bulls just didn't suspend him like the Spurs did and he didn't crash a motorcycle again. Rodman was dominating the league at rebounding and defense well before he ever played with Jordan.
 
2013-05-06 04:56:04 PM  
It's hard to say how much the "Be Like Mike" syndrome has skewed basketball outcomes over the years.  By now I think teams realize that you can't just proclaim someone the next Jordan just because he's a really athletic shooting guard who can win the dunk contest.  But it's taken a long time to come to this point; over the years we've seen a lot of over-investment in players who simply don't have an NBA game (remember Harold "Baby Jordan" Miner?) and players who could have, in the right circumstances, been valuable role players but were miscast as franchise centerpieces (Vince Carter).
 
2013-05-06 05:02:43 PM  

IAmRight: downstairs: Do remember Jordan is credited, along with Phil Jackson, for regning in Rodman's antics (as much as possible) to get more out of him than the Spurs could.

Of course he is. Jordan is credited with anything and everything in the world in any way tangentially related to him. Rodman had more antics with Chicago than with anyone; the Bulls just didn't suspend him like the Spurs did and he didn't crash a motorcycle again. Rodman was dominating the league at rebounding and defense well before he ever played with Jordan.


All good, maybe I'm mis-remembering.  It was a long time ago.
 
2013-05-06 09:07:38 PM  

downstairs: All good, maybe I'm mis-remembering.


No, I don't doubt that people gave him credit for it. That's how the media is and has been. The difference between now and then is that now there's a lot more backlash against the popular players and a lot more willingness to have long discussions about minute, minute, negatives.
 
2013-05-07 02:11:26 AM  
What a crap, short article
 
2013-05-07 08:35:28 AM  
Ah, good times.  Seeing the Bulls crush the Knicks was sad but entirely watchable because of Jordan.  A rare talent especially for an entirely likable guy.
 
2013-05-07 07:16:44 PM  
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