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(Some Guy)   Harry Connick Jr. to American Idol contestants: You're doing it wrong   (nextavenue.org) divider line 106
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2013-05-06 09:46:20 AM  

snowshovel: Rotter: Next up: Stephen Sondheim night. A composer who crafts tricky music without a single unconsidered element, and who is capable of coaching inexperienced singers brilliantly.

Sondheim, teaching a voice student "My Friends" from "Sweeney Todd":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCVaFqGJwg

Randy, after the performance: "Yo, I was bored. I mean, seriously. You're singing about friendship. You don't sound happy, man. You should have done that like Timberlake rocked out 'U N Me N No Body' at the VMAs. Not your best."

Wait, Idol is doing a Sondheim night???  That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I can see Idol doing Andrew Lloyd Webber music since his stuff is usually very "pop". But the intricacies of Sondheim's stuff are so, I don't know, delicate and complex, and are about as far away as you can get from the danceable, hummable sing-a-longs that Idol requires.


They might be hoping for a trainwreak and watching everyone screw up might do it.
Else they somehow own the rights already and didn't want to shell out for ALW works.
 
2013-05-06 09:47:44 AM  
Love the advice, but Dave Grohl's (and Herry Connick Jr.'s) idealism is misplaced. Everything you need to know about these contestants' ambitions is right in the title of the show.

I agree. And I think it's always been this way, at least to a certain point. The teen idols of the 50s, the bubblegum rock of the 60s and 70s, the boy bands of the 90s, and the American Idols of today. There has always been manufactured pop music and let's face it, there always will be. The upside is that good music is out there, and it's easier to find now than it has ever been. The other upside is that there's nothing wrong with enjoying some manufactured pop once in a while, especially now that I have the internet to keep me supplied with more, shall we say, authentic fare.

Still, kudos to Harry and Dave for at least trying. I've never been a Dave Grohl fan but his recent work with Stevie Nicks kicks some butt.
 
2013-05-06 09:50:02 AM  

The Why Not Guy: I've never been a Dave Grohl fan but his recent work with Stevie Nicks kicks some butt.


How many grandchildren do you have?
 
2013-05-06 09:54:34 AM  

EyeballKid: How many grandchildren do you have?


Hey, it makes absolutely no difference to me whether you share my taste in music or not. Enjoy what you like, and I'll do the same.
 
2013-05-06 10:08:39 AM  

RminusQ: ecmoRandomNumbers: Melisma kills songs. The Star-Spangled Banner is NOT 8,000 notes. If you were to transcribe a typical modern power-diva's rendition of our national anthem, it would read like a Rachmaninoff concerto.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x560]


There was an attempt to ban that version in Indianapolis in the recent past.
 
2013-05-06 10:48:30 AM  

The Why Not Guy: EyeballKid: How many grandchildren do you have?

Hey, it makes absolutely no difference to me whether you share my taste in music or not. Enjoy what you like, and I'll do the same.


Lighten up, it's just an age joke. ;)

The whole Sound City Real to Reel album is good IMHO.
 
2013-05-06 11:09:17 AM  
You want a great example from a good artist.
Go back and watch a video from the 70's of Joni Mitchell singing Both Sides Now. It seems trite and naive for someone so young to be seeing those lyrics. Then listen to her more recent version off the Love Actually soundtrack, the pain of loss and of friends/loves gone by is palpable in her voice and can bring you to tears.

Understanding what a song is about makes all the difference.
 
2013-05-06 11:24:42 AM  
Finally someone said it.

I watch here and there and these vocal gymnastics drive me bananas. I watched the Voice for about 5 minutes the other night just to see. And these two girls were duetting and doing these runs and a million notes and trying to dazzle people with bullsh*t. I couldn't stand it and thought it was way over the top. The song ends and the judges went apesh*t with love and approval. I guess that stuff just ain't for me.
 
2013-05-06 11:24:42 AM  

EyeballKid: The Why Not Guy: I've never been a Dave Grohl fan but his recent work with Stevie Nicks kicks some butt.

How many grandchildren do you have?


I'll beat you with my cane, Kid. Don't you ever, EVER! SAY anything even a little bit negative about Ms Stevie Nicks. Damn kids these days.
 
2013-05-06 11:43:13 AM  

Cyno01: [i.imgur.com image 460x345]


Oh Jesus Christ, THIS!!! You made my day, dude.
 
2013-05-06 11:43:50 AM  

busy chillin': Finally someone said it.

I watch here and there and these vocal gymnastics drive me bananas. I watched the Voice for about 5 minutes the other night just to see. And these two girls were duetting and doing these runs and a million notes and trying to dazzle people with bullsh*t. I couldn't stand it and thought it was way over the top. The song ends and the judges went apesh*t with love and approval. I guess that stuff just ain't for me.


The only vocal gymnastics that impress me are Opera singers.  They can use their voice like a person plays a piano, and it actually becomes a part in of the music playing.  But yeah, I hate people embellishing just for the sake of embellishing.  Just sing the song, if your voice is great, you don't need embellishment.

/I blame Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston
 
2013-05-06 11:44:36 AM  

mjones73: The Why Not Guy: EyeballKid: How many grandchildren do you have?

Hey, it makes absolutely no difference to me whether you share my taste in music or not. Enjoy what you like, and I'll do the same.

Lighten up, it's just an age joke. ;)

The whole Sound City Real to Reel album is good IMHO.


He does it in every music thread tho. Always the same schtick. It gets old.
 
2013-05-06 11:50:56 AM  

Mistymtnhop: I'll beat you with my cane, Kid. Don't you ever, EVER! SAY anything even a little bit negative about Ms Stevie Nicks. Damn kids these days.


Stevie's actually a good person to bring up as the anti-American Idol. For all her faults - and as much as I love her I admit she has more than a few - she's real, which makes her music far more compelling to me than a cookie-cutter American Idol contestant with great pipes but no idea what to do with them. Stevie's also a great example of a good collaborator. She's at her best with a strong writing/production partner, from Dave Stewart to Lindsay Buckingham to Jimmy Iovine or even Sheryl Crow. Watch her sing a duet sometimes. She's a great harmony singer, and she goes out of her way not to hog the spotlight even when she easily could. Meanwhile the American Idol kids are too busy trying to get face time in the group sings to worry whether the finished product - the song - is any good. That's not entirely their fault. The show has created that environment.
 
2013-05-06 11:57:44 AM  
Meh, American Idol is just a bunch of mostly raw, true amateurs who have done little more than some pageants or talent shows.  They have not payed their dues and have the mind set that anything can be fixed with computers and auto tune.  Well, computers and auto tune have no soul, no feeling, no personality, all of which can overcome mediocre talent.  Pay your dues, kids.
 
2013-05-06 11:58:55 AM  

bborchar: busy chillin': Finally someone said it.

I watch here and there and these vocal gymnastics drive me bananas. I watched the Voice for about 5 minutes the other night just to see. And these two girls were duetting and doing these runs and a million notes and trying to dazzle people with bullsh*t. I couldn't stand it and thought it was way over the top. The song ends and the judges went apesh*t with love and approval. I guess that stuff just ain't for me.

The only vocal gymnastics that impress me are Opera singers.  They can use their voice like a person plays a piano, and it actually becomes a part in of the music playing.  But yeah, I hate people embellishing just for the sake of embellishing.  Just sing the song, if your voice is great, you don't need embellishment.

/I blame Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston


Yeah, there is a time and a place for it. But completely throughout a four minute pop song is not the place.
 
2013-05-06 12:19:06 PM  
when daddy drives, it's ac/dc, zeppelin, sabbath... none of this gymnastics crap. it's my duty to educate the next generation, man.

/ my 5 year old likes rock and roll, anyway
 
2013-05-06 12:23:21 PM  
The list goes on and on of past artists who wouldn't have gotten past the registration desk of these abominations: Bob Dylan, Townes Van Zandt, Kris Kristoferson, etc.

I doubt Gillian Welch or Emmy Lou Harris would get any consideration either,
 
2013-05-06 12:24:12 PM  

Madbassist1: mjones73: The Why Not Guy: EyeballKid: How many grandchildren do you have?

Hey, it makes absolutely no difference to me whether you share my taste in music or not. Enjoy what you like, and I'll do the same.

Lighten up, it's just an age joke. ;)

The whole Sound City Real to Reel album is good IMHO.

He does it in every music thread tho. Always the same schtick. It gets old.


Saying pop music has existed since people began making money off music, and that people shouldn't care about what other people listen to its an old schtick? I'd say it's right on.
 
2013-05-06 12:27:00 PM  

legion_of_doo: when daddy drives, it's ac/dc, zeppelin, sabbath... none of this gymnastics crap. it's my duty to educate the next generation, man.

/ my 5 year old likes rock and roll, anyway


I've made my kids listen to everything from Zepplin to Bobby Darin. The rule is simple: there is total shiat AND inspiring art in any genre. One of my sons turned me on to Boyce Avenue, and when you peel away the horse shiat, you can even find the poetry in a Katy Perry song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAUMU3QQE6w
 
2013-05-06 12:34:54 PM  
Creepiest version I've heard of "My funny Valentine" was Matt Damon crooning it to Jude Law in The Talented Mr. Ripley.
 
2013-05-06 12:47:56 PM  

basemetal: Meh, American Idol is just a bunch of mostly raw, true amateurs who have done little more than some pageants or talent shows.  They have not payed their dues and have the mind set that anything can be fixed with computers and auto tune.  Well, computers and auto tune have no soul, no feeling, no personality, all of which can overcome mediocre talent.  Pay your dues, kids.


I've watched the show off and on, and I have to say, my favorite in the recent past has been Crystal Bowersox.  She had been performing since she was a child, headed to the city at 17 to play open mike nights and on the street.  She had dreadlocks, and crooked teeth and blew everyone else out of the water.  You could tell she wasn't comfortable with the staged aspects of AI, especially those horrible group numbers. She came in second place to a mediocre pretty boy who nobody remembers.   She's got some really great originals and played the Opry a couple years ago.
 
2013-05-06 12:54:21 PM  

The Great EZE: Cyno01: [i.imgur.com image 460x345]

Love the advice, but Dave Grohl's (and Herry Connick Jr.'s) idealism is misplaced. Everything you need to know about these contestants' ambitions is right in the title of the show. They don't want to be musicians; they want to be idols. They want to be famous singers, not singers who happen to be famous. If you think about it from that perspective, shows like American Idol and The Voice are the paths of least resistance.

I always cringe at promos for results shows when the voiceover guys ask "WHO DO YOU LOVE?" or "WHO DOES AMERICA LOVE?" It's a little heartbreaking thinking that these people are not only starved for love and validation but are confusing it with artistic success. I want my friends and family to "love" me. I want the people who sign my checks to respect my work. But that's the industry and that's what they signed up for.


It's obvious who they love. Beef Supreme.
 
2013-05-06 01:24:15 PM  

freetomato: basemetal: Meh, American Idol is just a bunch of mostly raw, true amateurs who have done little more than some pageants or talent shows.  They have not payed their dues and have the mind set that anything can be fixed with computers and auto tune.  Well, computers and auto tune have no soul, no feeling, no personality, all of which can overcome mediocre talent.  Pay your dues, kids.

I've watched the show off and on, and I have to say, my favorite in the recent past has been Crystal Bowersox.  She had been performing since she was a child, headed to the city at 17 to play open mike nights and on the street.  She had dreadlocks, and crooked teeth and blew everyone else out of the water.  You could tell she wasn't comfortable with the staged aspects of AI, especially those horrible group numbers. She came in second place to a mediocre pretty boy who nobody remembers.   She's got some really great originals and played the Opry a couple years ago.


Heh, I actually remember her......because the girl had talent.
 
2013-05-06 01:33:51 PM  

djones101: To Harry Connick, Jr:

[mobilegeeks.de image 480x360]

Thank you for saying what everyone else has been thinking since this worthless waste of airtime started.

Sincerely,

The American Public


THIS
 
2013-05-06 02:08:12 PM  

karmachameleon: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I'd die of embarrassment if I let a soulless, watered-down Frank Sinatra whose albums are cookie-cutter crooner 101 dress me down like that.

Seriously, watch anything of his on YouTube. It has all the soul and spontaneity of a Disney animatronic exhibit.

Thank you for letting us all know that you don't know how to listen to music and that you have no idea what you're talking about.  You think that you do, but you don't, not really.  I appreciate the heads up!


I second that emotion.
 
2013-05-06 02:08:27 PM  
I learned a new word: melisma.

Previously I had always called the style urban yodeling.
 
2013-05-06 02:12:13 PM  

freetomato: basemetal: Meh, American Idol is just a bunch of mostly raw, true amateurs who have done little more than some pageants or talent shows.  They have not payed their dues and have the mind set that anything can be fixed with computers and auto tune.  Well, computers and auto tune have no soul, no feeling, no personality, all of which can overcome mediocre talent.  Pay your dues, kids.

I've watched the show off and on, and I have to say, my favorite in the recent past has been Crystal Bowersox.  She had been performing since she was a child, headed to the city at 17 to play open mike nights and on the street.  She had dreadlocks, and crooked teeth and blew everyone else out of the water.  You could tell she wasn't comfortable with the staged aspects of AI, especially those horrible group numbers. She came in second place to a mediocre pretty boy who nobody remembers.   She's got some really great originals and played the Opry a couple years ago.


I liked Bo Bice.  He had spent years playing the clubs so he actually had a lot of experience coming in that most of the 18 year olds didn't have.  Carrie Underwood may have been more tecnically sound and put on a better performance, but Bice was by far the better musician.  I think the winner probably closest to Connick's ideal would be Kelly Clarkson, though it's taken her ten years to get to that point.
 
2013-05-06 02:22:31 PM  
 
2013-05-06 02:55:28 PM  

NHL88: Singing a song:  >http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=C5sPTAvBpEY

Performing a song:   >http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=IxMHjTMkLHw

/difference


I got about 8 seconds into that first link. It says "singing HER mega hit". Gross. But I bet her fans don't know or care it's a cover.

Skinny Love is one of my favorite songs.

So that got me thinking about that You Rascal You song I just heard. YAY! People on youtube actually know it's a cover. That makes me happy for some reason.
 
2013-05-06 02:58:59 PM  

busy chillin': I got about 8 seconds into that first link. It says "singing HER mega hit"


Did she have hit with that song?
 
2013-05-06 03:00:42 PM  

LewDux: busy chillin': I got about 8 seconds into that first link. It says "singing HER mega hit"

Did she have hit with that song?

OMG, LOOK is that an UFO!!?!!
 
2013-05-06 03:06:57 PM  

freetomato: I've watched the show off and on, and I have to say, my favorite in the recent past has been Crystal Bowersox.  She had been performing since she was a child, headed to the city at 17 to play open mike nights and on the street.  She had dreadlocks, and crooked teeth and blew everyone else out of the water.


You forgot to mention she's also overweight and has a huge, ugly tattoo on her back... Yet I found her incredibly sexy, mostly due to her talent (plus an amazing twinkle in her eyes when she smiled). When she lost, it was the last time I watched.
 
2013-05-06 03:09:27 PM  

LewDux: LewDux: busy chillin': I got about 8 seconds into that first link. It says "singing HER mega hit"

Did she have hit with that song? OMG, LOOK is that an UFO!!?!!


It says she did. I don't know. I had never heard of her until 12 minutes ago.

UFO?
 
2013-05-06 03:19:33 PM  

Mentat: I think the winner probably closest to Connick's ideal would be Kelly Clarkson, though it's taken her ten years to get to that point.


I agree. She showed flashes of it during her time on AI (I watched the first season - her performance on Big Band Night was excellent). She's managed to walk the line between doing her own thing and being commercial.
 
2013-05-06 03:24:55 PM  

busy chillin': LewDux: LewDux: busy chillin': I got about 8 seconds into that first link. It says "singing HER mega hit"

Did she have hit with that song? OMG, LOOK is that an UFO!!?!!

It says she did. I don't know. I had never heard of her until 12 minutes ago.

UFO?


Yeah, they reunited in 1993
/nevermind, I'm still waking up after night shift
 
2013-05-06 03:25:21 PM  

Tom_Slick: Speaker2Animals: ecmoRandomNumbers: Melisma kills songs. The Star-Spangled Banner is NOT 8,000 notes. If you were to transcribe a typical modern power-diva's rendition of our national anthem, it would read like a Rachmaninoff concerto.

So much this.

Speaking of that, did anyone catch Robin Meade singing the Star Spangled Banner at Talladega this weekend? It was horrible.


Yes. I actually yelled at the TV.
 
2013-05-06 03:28:53 PM  

Mistymtnhop: EyeballKid: The Why Not Guy: I've never been a Dave Grohl fan but his recent work with Stevie Nicks kicks some butt.

How many grandchildren do you have?

I'll beat you with my cane, Kid. Don't you ever, EVER! SAY anything even a little bit negative about Ms Stevie Nicks. Damn kids these days.


Have you heard her live lately? Cocaine has really jacked her voice. She sounds like Christian Bale in "The Dark Knight"
 
2013-05-06 03:36:22 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Have you heard her live lately? Cocaine has really jacked her voice. She sounds like Christian Bale in "The Dark Knight"


You're confusing "now" with 1986. She sounds better now than she has in decades. No, she'll never have the range she had pre-cocaine but she's been improving steadily since the mid 1990s.
 
2013-05-06 03:37:03 PM  
At a chamber choir rehearsal one of our singers said "We're singing like the Three Tenors when they gangbang "Ave Maria"
 
2013-05-06 03:48:43 PM  

Grandemadaca: freetomato: I've watched the show off and on, and I have to say, my favorite in the recent past has been Crystal Bowersox.  She had been performing since she was a child, headed to the city at 17 to play open mike nights and on the street.  She had dreadlocks, and crooked teeth and blew everyone else out of the water.

You forgot to mention she's also overweight and has a huge, ugly tattoo on her back... Yet I found her incredibly sexy, mostly due to her talent (plus an amazing twinkle in her eyes when she smiled). When she lost, it was the last time I watched.


When she was on Idol, some publicity seeking orthodontist offered to fix her teeth - of course he didn't contact her personally, he made the offer through the media.  She said "thanks but no thanks" (jackass) and got her teeth fixed on her own with her own money after AI. She's lost some weight and has gotten a bit of the polish that goes along with being famous, so she looks pretty cute.   Apparently she'll be portraying Patsy Cline on Broadway. Good for her.
 
2013-05-06 04:03:53 PM  

The Why Not Guy: QueenMamaBee: Have you heard her live lately? Cocaine has really jacked her voice. She sounds like Christian Bale in "The Dark Knight"

You're confusing "now" with 1986. She sounds better now than she has in decades. No, she'll never have the range she had pre-cocaine but she's been improving steadily since the mid 1990s.


Nope, heard her last month. Dayum.
 
2013-05-06 04:32:12 PM  

The Great EZE: Cyno01: [i.imgur.com image 460x345]

Love the advice, but Dave Grohl's (and Herry Connick Jr.'s) idealism is misplaced. Everything you need to know about these contestants' ambitions is right in the title of the show. They don't want to be musicians; they want to be idols. They want to be famous singers, not singers who happen to be famous. If you think about it from that perspective, shows like American Idol and The Voice are the paths of least resistance.

I always cringe at promos for results shows when the voiceover guys ask "WHO DO YOU LOVE?" or "WHO DOES AMERICA LOVE?" It's a little heartbreaking thinking that these people are not only starved for love and validation but are confusing it with artistic success. I want my friends and family to "love" me. I want the people who sign my checks to respect my work. But that's the industry and that's what they signed up for.


This. Thread totally over!

/Harry Connick Jr is a Hottie and so is his wife
 
2013-05-06 04:35:42 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: karmachameleon: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Are you his mom or a 14 year-old fangirl? Because that's the only reason why I'd imagine anyone would type those words in defense of a melted blob of wax hitting pitch-perfect covers of songs that sound vaguely familiar.

Witty, but not a musically convincing argument.  Try again?

This time, consider how you might do in a one-on-one debate with Connick over the artists and music contained in The Great American Songbook.  If your feel that your level of knowledge reaches the encyclopedic proportions as his, then by all means show us your stuff and prove me wrong.

Until then, you're a comparative musical ignoramus who confuses personal taste with qualitative critique.

Just because a person is knowledgeable about music, doesn't mean they are a great performer.

/or: those who can't do, teach


Connick has a musical pedigree a mile long in both his upbringing and formal education.   He's been doing this since he was about four years old.   He is a great performer, a great musician, and a great teacher, who was taught by the same.

You, on the other hand, are an idiot.
 
2013-05-06 04:45:43 PM  
Hey, Harry, shut the hell up and play the piano. You can play barrelhouse like nobody's business, but you suck donkey balls as a singer.
 
2013-05-06 04:52:21 PM  
Dave Grohl had his own take on AI and The Voice:

"When I think about kids watching a TV show like American Idol or The Voice, then they think, 'Oh, OK, that's how you become a musician, you stand in line for eight f*cking hours with 800 people at a convention center and... then you sing your heart out for someone and then they tell you it's not f*ckin' good enough.' Can you imagine?" he implores. "It's destroying the next generation of musicians! Musicians should go to a yard sale and buy an old f*cking drum set and get in their garage and just suck. And get their friends to come in and they'll suck, too. And then they'll f*cking start playing and they'll have the best time they've ever had in their lives and then all of a sudden they'll become Nirvana. Because that's exactly what happened with Nirvana. Just a bunch of guys that had some shiatty old instruments and they got together and started playing some noisy-ass shiat, and they became the biggest band in the world. That can happen again! You don't need a f*cking computer or the internet or The Voice or American Idol."

Like him or hate him, you have to admire his candor.
 
2013-05-06 05:28:08 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't know why real musicians ever give shows like that any of their time.


THIS

I've said it again and again: American Idol and so forth are reality TV shows, not musical shows. The product isn't great singers, it's a dramatic show about the rise to fame of a great singer. It's why I'm utterly indifferent to them. There's the world of music, featuring people who got there by talent and years of effort, and I don't care if you're talking about Adele, Radiohead, Beyonce or Rammstein, that's how they got there, and then there's this heavily-edited, semi-scripted reality TV that creates fake drama, but happens to be about music.

In the UK, I think 2 have lasted beyond an album, and neither is exactly a great. You aren't going to find the next Gary Barlow, Prince or Bono via one of these shows.
 
2013-05-06 05:42:00 PM  

farkeruk: There's the world of music, featuring people who got there by talent and years of effort, and I don't care if you're talking about Adele, Radiohead, Beyonce or Rammstein, that's how they got there, and then there's this heavily-edited, semi-scripted reality TV that creates fake drama, but happens to be about music.


I agree with you, but keep in mind that having musical talent and paying your dues doesn't guarantee success as a musician. Adele and the others you cited are gifted, for sure, but they also got lucky. I can see where standing in line for a day or two for a chance at screen time on AI would be tempting, even for people with talent and effort under their belt. If I was a serious musician it would not be how I'd prefer to make it big, but I probably wouldn't be above using it as a jumping off point.
 
2013-05-06 07:24:13 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Just because a person is knowledgeable about music, doesn't mean they are a great performer.


Not necessarily, no.  But your qualifier doesn't apply in Connick's case, so why bring it up?

I'm going to give you, and anyone else disparaging Connick, the same advice Connick gave to these singers (which they apparently ignored):  go look up Connick's resume and pedigree and career timeline.  If you're going to bring it against Connick, you better bring something big.  I just don't see that happening in an internet thread, ever.
 
2013-05-06 07:45:22 PM  
I'm not sure the fans of American Idol are interested in understanding or authenticity. They want the next big hit. They'll pay 99 cents for it, tire of it in three weeks and move on to the next big thing.
 
2013-05-06 07:55:58 PM  

RminusQ: ecmoRandomNumbers: Melisma kills songs. The Star-Spangled Banner is NOT 8,000 notes. If you were to transcribe a typical modern power-diva's rendition of our national anthem, it would read like a Rachmaninoff concerto.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x560]


I <3 you.
 
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