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2013-05-05 05:49:59 PM  
Damn you Juan Weiner!
 
2013-05-05 06:14:01 PM  
Seriously, a vote for Durant is almost defensible... but Anthony?
 
2013-05-05 06:40:51 PM  
Was it really LeBatard?
 
2013-05-05 06:42:41 PM  
There is always one asshole sportswriter that thinks he knows more than everyone else. Just like the jerkoffs that will never vote someone unanimously into the baseball hall of fame.
 
2013-05-05 06:47:45 PM  
I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.
 
2013-05-05 06:52:42 PM  

Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.


He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.
 
2013-05-05 06:59:25 PM  
I am outraged! OUTRAGED! One media person didn't give full mouth party to LBJ? Unbelievable!
 
2013-05-05 07:07:36 PM  
Look, I'm a Knicks fan. But anyone not voting for LeBron For MVP is absolutely ridiculous.
 
2013-05-05 07:11:32 PM  

js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.


You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.
 
2013-05-05 07:13:11 PM  

Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.


LeBron does play defense. Elite defense at that.
 
2013-05-05 07:13:24 PM  
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2013-05-05 07:19:54 PM  
Saying that Melo deserves an MVP vote because he was "more valuable to his team" is ridiculous. He is a minus defender. Even if they were comparable offensively- and they're not, Lebron is better- the fact that Lebron routinely defended the other team's best player at an elite level, regardless of position, makes it no contest.
 
2013-05-05 07:20:01 PM  
I was interested in the article until the writer went all baseball-like with the stupid stats and crap.
 
2013-05-05 07:24:14 PM  
I have to say it's awesome to see all the Twitter hate Dan Le Batard is getting right now.
 
2013-05-05 07:41:58 PM  
What are you saying, Subby?
That voting for anyone but LeBron is some kinda bad Decision?
 
2013-05-05 07:44:28 PM  
And to justify my point that LeBron is better offensively despite scoring fewer points, let's look at the numbers:

MPG: extremely close, LeBron 37.9 Carmelo 37, so let's just use per game numbers rather than scaling them to per 36 minutes.
Shooting percentages: LeBron 56.5%, Carmelo 44.9%. That is an enormous difference.
Three point percentages: LeBron 40.6%, Carmelo 37.9%. Not as glaring, but still a clear edge for LeBron.
Free throw percentage: LeBron 75.3%, Carmelo 83%. Advantage Carmelo, this is probably the biggest weakness left in LeBron's game.
Rebounds: LeBron 8.0, Carmelo 6.9. Advantage LeBron.
Assists: LeBron 7.3, Carmelo 2.6. As with shooting percentage, this is an enormous difference. LeBron is incredible at creating shots for his teammates.
Blocks: LeBron .9, Carmelo .5. Not a huge part of either's game, but LeBron again has an advantage.
Steals: LeBron 1.7, Carmelo .8. Again, LeBron with a clear edge.
Personal fouls: LeBron 1.4, Carmelo 3.1. Given that LeBron shoulders much heavier defensive responsibilities than Carmelo, this is a strong point in LeBron's favor.
Turnovers: LeBron, 3.0, Carmelo, 2.6. Slight edge to Carmelo.

And if you just want to go straight to PER, we can do that for the bottom line, despite the fact that PER does not adequately take defense into account and will thus favor Carmelo: LeBron 31.67, Carmelo 24.83.

So yes, all of that outweighs the fact that Carmelo scored about two more points per game on about five more shots. Also, I don't really take team success into account as long as we're not dealing with a good-stats-on-bad-teams guy (i.e. Monta Ellis on the Warriors), but the Heat won eight more games. Would it also help to note that LeBron missed nine fewer games? Or even that he had fewer technicals? This isn't Cabrera vs. Trout, where both sides could admit that the difference between the two is slight. LeBron had a demonstrably superior season.
 
2013-05-05 07:53:59 PM  

Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.


If you think "hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA", you clearly don't know anything about basketball, and your opinion is worthless. The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.
 
2013-05-05 08:16:58 PM  

Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.


Even if that argument is true, which it is not, James has the highest win shares in the league, which would make him "the guy most valuable to his team" by any definition.
 
2013-05-05 08:19:46 PM  
Neeek:
The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.

lol @ you.

Let me know the next time a basketball player throws his face in front of a 100mph solid object... multiple times per game.
 
2013-05-05 08:23:10 PM  

MrJesus: Neeek:
The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.

lol @ you.

Let me know the next time a basketball player throws his face in front of a 100mph solid object... multiple times per game.


Yeah, because that's inherent in basketball.

/NHL fan too
//but NBA defense is serious
 
2013-05-05 08:29:41 PM  
I voted for Kodos.
 
2013-05-05 08:33:03 PM  

MrJesus: Neeek:
The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.

lol @ you.

Let me know the next time a basketball player throws his face in front of a 100mph solid object... multiple times per game.


You are right. You'll have to be a real idiot to do anything of that nature.
 
2013-05-05 08:36:41 PM  

Neeek: Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.

If you think "hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA", you clearly don't know anything about basketball, and your opinion is worthless. The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.




I enjoy basketball, but to say their defense is the most committed is a pretty ridiculous and completely unsubstantionable claim. Yes, I just made a new word.

In some sports, there are people who get millions of dollars just to defend.
 
2013-05-05 08:42:28 PM  

INeedAName: Neeek: Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.

If you think "hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA", you clearly don't know anything about basketball, and your opinion is worthless. The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.



I enjoy basketball, but to say their defense is the most committed is a pretty ridiculous and completely unsubstantionable claim. Yes, I just made a new word.

In some sports, there are people who get millions of dollars just to defend.


Millions of dollars to just play defense? Like Tony Allen? Or Bruce Bowen? Or better yet, Jason Collins?

Though I do agree with the new word. It's impossible to prove who has the most committed defense.
 
2013-05-05 08:50:26 PM  
Looking at his twitter and early comments, did LeBatard really vote against LeBron just so people would pay attention to him? Is this really ESPN ruining an interesting situation (first unanimous MVP) so that we can talk about ESPN people and watch their shows?
 
2013-05-05 08:51:22 PM  
Well, thank God we had at least once completely random comment masturbating over how tough hockey players are in a thread having nothing to do with hockey. Let me go check the Business or Geek tab and see where I can shoehorn a "well, because I don't see Google employees lose their teeth only to return to their desk five minutes later, they're a bunch of f*cking pussies" comment.
 
2013-05-05 09:08:31 PM  

Neeek: Martonio: js34603: Martonio: I don't disagree with giving Melo a first place vote for MVP.  Anyone who was paying attention and saw how well the Knicks were doing in the second half of the season when Melo picked up his game would agree.

He plays no defense. He barely ever passes. He's barely a marginal rebounder for his position. All he does is score. Inefficiently.

Carmelo Anthony should not receive votes for MVP.

You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.

If you think "hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA", you clearly don't know anything about basketball, and your opinion is worthless. The NBA has the best and most committed defenses or any league. And it's not close.


the nfl, nhl, and mls might disagree. you know, sports that don't involve scoring most of the time you get on the other teams half court.

I love the nba but saying its the most defensive minded sport is just dumb.
 
2013-05-05 09:17:17 PM  

jackiepaper: I voted for Kodos.


Kodos doesn't have the numbers for defensive and gets into early foul trouble.
 
2013-05-05 09:17:57 PM  
Baseball players are lazy, but they spend much of their time with the glove on their hand. There are multiple potential shifts based on each batter, pitcher, and situation on the field, and players are to know them. And in baseball, you're STILL ON DEFENSE when the ball is in your hands (unless it's the third out).

Football... Jesus, we don't even need to compare it to basketball.

Soccer is such a low-scoring event, and they have players on the field exclusively committed to defense at almost all times (and one person whose ENTIRE MISSION is to guard the giant goal).

Hockey is like a faster version of soccer with a smaller goal (though the back line is more likely to score than in soccer), and we've seen the league be forced to change the rules because some teams gained an edge with the way in which they played defense.

COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS play more committed team defense than some NBA teams, for f*ck's sake. Some teams are DEFINED by their defense (see: Syracuse).
 
2013-05-05 09:20:01 PM  
But LeBatard is such a Miami homer, it doesn't make sense.  Unless it was simply on orders from ESPN because the show with his dad has shiatty ratings, hmm...
 
2013-05-05 09:21:32 PM  

45cal: There is always one asshole sportswriter that thinks he knows more than everyone else. Just like the jerkoffs that will never vote someone unanimously into the baseball hall of fame.


Seriously, think about it ... there were some aholes out there who didn't vote for Hank Aaron the first time.
 
2013-05-05 09:23:27 PM  
If LeBron's play this season wasn't good enough to merit unanimous election as the MVP this year, is it possible for somebody to play well enough to be elected MVP unanimously? It's not like he has glaring flaws. His free throw shooting is the weakest part of his game, and how much room does he have to improve on that front?
 
2013-05-05 09:28:29 PM  
That's LeBron's last MVP until they force him to retire for a couple years
 
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2013-05-05 09:30:58 PM  

Serious Black: is it possible for somebody to play well enough to be elected MVP unanimously?


Does it effin' matter? He still got the damn award. Do they make it bigger or shinier if it's unanimous?
 
2013-05-05 09:49:17 PM  
That's multiple times he's been elbowed to the head.
 
2013-05-05 10:01:48 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: And to justify my point that LeBron is better offensively despite scoring fewer points, let's look at the numbers:

MPG: extremely close, LeBron 37.9 Carmelo 37, so let's just use per game numbers rather than scaling them to per 36 minutes.
Shooting percentages: LeBron 56.5%, Carmelo 44.9%. That is an enormous difference.
Three point percentages: LeBron 40.6%, Carmelo 37.9%. Not as glaring, but still a clear edge for LeBron.
Free throw percentage: LeBron 75.3%, Carmelo 83%. Advantage Carmelo, this is probably the biggest weakness left in LeBron's game.
Rebounds: LeBron 8.0, Carmelo 6.9. Advantage LeBron.
Assists: LeBron 7.3, Carmelo 2.6. As with shooting percentage, this is an enormous difference. LeBron is incredible at creating shots for his teammates.
Blocks: LeBron .9, Carmelo .5. Not a huge part of either's game, but LeBron again has an advantage.
Steals: LeBron 1.7, Carmelo .8. Again, LeBron with a clear edge.
Personal fouls: LeBron 1.4, Carmelo 3.1. Given that LeBron shoulders much heavier defensive responsibilities than Carmelo, this is a strong point in LeBron's favor.
Turnovers: LeBron, 3.0, Carmelo, 2.6. Slight edge to Carmelo.

And if you just want to go straight to PER, we can do that for the bottom line, despite the fact that PER does not adequately take defense into account and will thus favor Carmelo: LeBron 31.67, Carmelo 24.83.

So yes, all of that outweighs the fact that Carmelo scored about two more points per game on about five more shots. Also, I don't really take team success into account as long as we're not dealing with a good-stats-on-bad-teams guy (i.e. Monta Ellis on the Warriors), but the Heat won eight more games. Would it also help to note that LeBron missed nine fewer games? Or even that he had fewer technicals? This isn't Cabrera vs. Trout, where both sides could admit that the difference between the two is slight. LeBron had a demonstrably superior season.


Of course if you compared Lebron and Durant using the same stats one could make a strong argument Durant had the better statistical season.
 
2013-05-05 10:03:28 PM  
VOTE FOR THE WHITE GU......

Oh,Shiat.
 
2013-05-05 10:10:35 PM  

puffy999: Baseball players are lazy, but they spend much of their time with the glove on their hand. There are multiple potential shifts based on each batter, pitcher, and situation on the field, and players are to know them. And in baseball, you're STILL ON DEFENSE when the ball is in your hands (unless it's the third out).

Football... Jesus, we don't even need to compare it to basketball.

Soccer is such a low-scoring event, and they have players on the field exclusively committed to defense at almost all times (and one person whose ENTIRE MISSION is to guard the giant goal).

Hockey is like a faster version of soccer with a smaller goal (though the back line is more likely to score than in soccer), and we've seen the league be forced to change the rules because some teams gained an edge with the way in which they played defense.

COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS play more committed team defense than some NBA teams, for f*ck's sake. Some teams are DEFINED by their defense (see: Syracuse).


You have no idea what you're talking about. You should consider playing some 5 on 5 basketball, whats going on durring defense will make more sense. NBA defense is on a different planet then college. You talk about shifts in baseball but an nba team will shift three or four times a possession. The speed of the game cant be compared to soccer or hockey nba is just that much faster with the margin for error is that much smaller. The nfl and baseball are just too different to compare
 
2013-05-05 10:18:49 PM  
scarbachi: the nfl, nhl, and mls might disagree. you know, sports that don't involve scoring most of the time you get on the other teams half court.

I love the nba but saying its the most defensive minded sport is just dumb.


I think he may have meant "of any basketball league" (to shut up the "I only watch the NCAA because they play defense in college" guys) which is unquestionably true.  Comparing defense between sports is sort of silly anyway.  So a game that has a goalie and you hit a puck with a stick is lower scoring than a game with no goalie where you throw the ball with your hands... well, that's hardly shocking.
 
2013-05-05 10:23:17 PM  
Lebatard doesn't even have an MVP vote. master troll.
 
2013-05-05 10:37:20 PM  

damn yanks: Of course if you compared Lebron and Durant using the same

stats one could make a strong argument Durant had the better statistical season.

OK, let's do that. MPG is again within one minute of each other, so we'll look at stats on a per game basis instead of per 36 minutes. First number will be LeBron, second Durant.

PPG: 26.8, 28.1. Slight edge to Durant.
FG%: 56.5%, 51%. James is solidly better, but Durant is extremely efficient in his own right. With Carmelo, you probably could have ended the argument right then and there, but a 5% difference is still a big deal- consider the difference between a .400 and a .450 OBP for your leadoff hitter in baseball.
3P%: 40.6%, 41.6%. Slight edge to Durant.
FT%: 75.3%, 90.5%. Durant is noticeably better on the line- again, this is probably James' biggest weakness.
RPG: 8.0, 7.9. Basically even, with James a hair better.
APG: 7.3, 4.6. Not as crushing as when compared to Carmelo, but again, James' ability as a playmaker is ridiculous for someone who's not a point guard.
BPG: .9, 1.3. Edge to Durant.
SPG: 1.7, 1.4. Edge to James.
PFPG: 1.4, 1.8. Edge to James.
TOPG: 3.0, 3.5. Edge to James.

And finally, wrapping up the numerical comparison with PER, James 31.67 Durant 28.35. So offensively, they're pretty close. The numbers back up what we see, which is that Durant is a better pure shooter, James can do more things, and while both are efficient, James is at a ridiculous level. The reason James gets the nod over Durant is defense- James was second in DPOY voting, I don't even know if Durant got any votes. Like I said in the second post in the thread, Durant is a defensible selection, but Anthony is not.
 
2013-05-05 10:46:39 PM  

thevza: Lebatard doesn't even have an MVP vote. master troll.


That man...he is good.
 
2013-05-05 10:50:27 PM  
I'm sorry.

My bad.

I thought I voted for Carmela Soprano.
 
2013-05-05 10:51:58 PM  
Looking back on LeBatard's twitter timeline and I am rolling. That man had EVERYONE fooled.
 
2013-05-05 11:10:17 PM  

SilentStrider: thevza: Lebatard doesn't even have an MVP vote. master troll.

That man...he is good.


Man, I'm happy with that and a great troll on his part. I would have been disappointed if someone used the vote to draw attention to themselves. If someone was dumb and voted Melo, fine, but if someone voted Melo so we could talk about them instead of playoff hoops that would suck.

Well played Papi's son, well played
 
2013-05-06 12:15:24 AM  
Geez, that IS a pretty delightful trolljob, lol.
 
2013-05-06 12:45:38 AM  
I don't watch much NBA ball but it seems pretty obvious that when Lebron is on the court that is the only guy the other team cares about stopping.  The only guy that is even close is Kevin Durant.  Carmelo can play himself out of a game.  Indiana just let him beat himself on multiple occasions.
 
2013-05-06 02:22:31 AM  
This thread sucks.
 
2013-05-06 04:58:55 AM  

Martonio: You realize hardly anyone plays defense in the NBA, right?

MVP is the guy most valuable to his team, not the guy who has the best all around game.


What a hilariously stupid thing to say, especially considering how good LeBron is at playing defense and how defense literally wins titles in the NBA. If your dipshiat opinion had any merit than the Suns and Warriors would be champs if defense was so unimportant. The only reason the Mavs beat the Heat was because of the zone D they played that took LeBron out of the game, but people that troll hoops threads typically know almost nothing about the sport.
 
2013-05-06 07:54:52 AM  
Oh boo hoo..One person chooses not to kiss Lebrons ring, and that's news?
 
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