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(New York Daily News)   If 3D plastic guns are outlawed, only 3D plastic criminals will have them   (nydailynews.com ) divider line 51
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2013-05-05 05:55:24 PM  
6 votes:

poorjon: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

I think it's because they're printing the only part of the gun that actually has to be registered. You can buy all the barrels and triggers and hammers you want, but it's this hunk of stuff that makes it all work.


You don't have to register that piece if you manufacture it yourself. So says the law. If you have a machine shop, you can make all the metal unregistered (fully automatic, even) guns you want to make. Just don't try to sell or move them across state lines, and if you're in Arizona, don't manufacture a fully automatic gun because they've illegitimately banned them. Just because the manufacturing process got more affordable doesn't mean that it got more deadly or anything. Anyone who wants a zip gun can find plans for them on the internet already, and anyone who wants a real gun has probably just bought one by now. This is just posturing by a scared politician who doesn't understand technology or humanity. Banning the files will do about as much good as banning drugs. People who wouldn't use them anyway still won't, and people who want them will seek them out and use them even if they're banned. Big waste of time, like most things politicians do.
2013-05-05 06:03:44 PM  
5 votes:

RexTalionis: untaken_name: RexTalionis: Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

They don't vanish, dude. They just stop shooting properly. You'd probably want something more reliable for a real assassination.

It's a weapon that is undetectable by metal detectors that can be printed in someone's garage where the weapon will change and destroy the ballistic fingerprints of the rounds every time they fire, and will eventually be completely inoperative and can be melted down easily.


So what? Have you actually read up on any real-life assassinations, or are you basing your opinion on some Tom Clancy novel? You can make a zip gun with crap from Home Depot, have been able to for many many years. That still doesn't mean that they're used in a lot of assassinations. You can change the "ballistic fingerprints" (hint: you don't know much about ballistics) with steel wool or a sharp piece of metal, if it were even necessary. The only real advantage is avoiding metal detectors, and if you're going that route, there are plenty of non-metallic knives, and plenty of zip gun designs that could be assembled past the metal detector from seemingly innocuous parts. Additionally, a proper sniper rifle makes metal detectors useless anyway. Finally, assassination is easy. It's getting away with it that's difficult.
2013-05-05 03:57:53 PM  
5 votes:
BSAB:
Anti-gun proposes any regulations = They're gonna confiscate all of our guns!
Pro-gun shows 3-d printed gun = Every nutjob is going to have an arsenal!

Neither point is accurate. Both sides have issues that need to be addressed. Unfortunately, our society has become too polarized for any rational discussion on any important issue.
2013-05-05 05:07:44 PM  
4 votes:
Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?
2013-05-05 06:06:26 PM  
3 votes:
So why have regular metalworking tools been legal forever?  The general public has had access to metal working tools which can very easily make guns.  Illegal gun manufacturing has never been a significant issue in this country, so why is it now, when a device that can print shoes isn't far out of reach, that politicians suddenly care about illegally manufactured guns?

This isn't about guns, this is about manufacturers trying to keep you from being able to make your own products.
2013-05-05 06:02:39 PM  
3 votes:
The future just got a lot scarier.

I stopped reading right there. Stop with the fear mongering. These 'guns' are not being made on consumer level machines. A RepRap or a Makerbot will not produce items nearly strong enough to do this. Anyone with the money to buy a 3D printer capable of printing these items could easily afford to just buy reliable guns on the black market. Only certain parts of the gun are made of printed plastic. It still needs a metal barrel and firing pin at the very least. 3D printed guns are a stunt that is causing more harm to the future of additive manufacturing than anything else. The technology isn't anywhere near able to make this a real threat. There are multi-axis milling machines out there that could turn these parts out all day long but where's the media created outcry about them?
Imagine what this bad boy could do-
http://youtu.be/KDPA06D1r_8
2013-05-05 05:54:45 PM  
3 votes:
Imagine if instead of wanting to keep people from printing 'untraceable' 'undetectable' guns we might concentrate on wanting to keep people from wanting to use 'untraceable' 'undetectable' guns.

Also, no religion too.
2013-05-05 05:49:05 PM  
3 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
/not amused that some random idiot can make those things
2013-05-05 05:47:37 PM  
3 votes:
"Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."


It's too late. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the guns, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the guns, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until hand held lasers become more powerful. We will then have untraceable phasers. No need to worry about bullets or noise suppression. Just a click and you can kill someone.
2013-05-05 04:57:28 PM  
3 votes:
3D printing is going to be as disruptive to manufacturing as the Internet was to IP. Give it 20 years and they'll be ubiquitous.
2013-05-06 03:26:35 AM  
2 votes:
www.goldismoney2.com

...3D printable wiki rifle in the forty megabyte range.

/hey just what you see in this directory, pal.
2013-05-05 08:59:53 PM  
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: So why have regular metalworking tools been legal forever?  The general public has had access to metal working tools which can very easily make guns.  Illegal gun manufacturing has never been a significant issue in this country, so why is it now, when a device that can print shoes isn't far out of reach, that politicians suddenly care about illegally manufactured guns?

This isn't about guns, this is about manufacturers trying to keep you from being able to make your own products.


Yes. This is about distribution control in the nine gazillion bazillion dollar stuff market. All the rest: the guns (and all the other ooga booga that is sure to pop up in the coming years) is just a distraction to slow things down, so the People Who Make Stuff can try to figure out how to regain control before things really get out of hand.

Go through your house folks, and add up the retail value of everything small enough to hold in your hand: shoes, reading glasses, dishes... Do it, down to the last item, then multiply that number by seven or eight billion.

THAT'S what this is about. The rest is just entertainment.
2013-05-05 07:23:39 PM  
2 votes:
BASIC ZIP GUN:

1. piece of 1/4" schedule 80 pipe about 12" long;

2. 1/4" pipe cap;

3. Drill 1/16" hole in center of cap;

4. clip 6d nail about 3/8" long for a firing pin;

5. Wrap the first 4" of the barrel in at least 10 layers of duct tape, so it won't blow your hand off if the gun explodes;

6. fabricate handle of wood and clapper from a piece of scrap metal and some strips of old inner tube.

If a silencer/sound reducer is desired, screw a 1/4" by 1" reducer into the barrel and add a piece of 1" pipe 3" or so long.  Cover the end of the silencer with a piece of old inner tube, and tape it airtight shut.

DO NOT assemble the weapon until you really need it, and also take it apart and throw the parts away one by one as soon as the weapon is used.

If a larger bore is required, use 3/8" pipe and .38 special ammo.  1/2" pipe and .45 cal ammo may also be used, but this is very dangerous and too much power for the gun in question.   For a shotgun, use 12 ga. shells and 3/4" inch pipe.

For more good recipes, download "U.S. Army Training Manual # 210: Improvised Weapons" available on your friendly local Innertubes.

Second Amendment types don't like me because I do not even own a gun, and I am fond of saying: "When the revolution comes, I can get all the weapons I need: just kill one police officer."
2013-05-05 06:06:31 PM  
2 votes:
Something tells me it would be a lot cheaper and easier to just buy a shiat .22 on the street than it would be to buy a Makerbot, supplies, ammunition (or are they printing that too?), download the schematic, print a test run, then print the actual gun.
2013-05-05 05:52:45 PM  
2 votes:

Raharu: You mean the picture of the printed gun with the broken trigger?


SHUSH YOU
3D PRINTING IS YOUR NEW GOD
EVERYTHING YOU KNEW IS OBSOLETE

ALL HAIL OUR THREE DIMENSIONAL FUTURE

Rincewind53: 3D printing is going to be as disruptive to manufacturing as the Internet was to IP. Give it 20 years and they'll be ubiquitous.


You have no clue about how anything is manufactured.

"3D printing" has been used in manufacturing for about 30 years now

The "disruptive" future you imagine is NOW.

What's happening is a new hobby market for plastic trinkets and exaggerated breathless stories like this one.

Also... information processing require little energy and very little material. 3D printing is about the physical world.

See the difference?

3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.
2013-05-05 03:29:09 PM  
2 votes:
it's Blue and White.  just like Israel
2013-05-05 10:34:22 PM  
1 vote:

ciberido: BarkingUnicorn: Antivirus companies can play their game in this market and make some money.  Add software to 3D printers that checks each file against a signature database and rejects files that print guns.  Charge subscription fees for updates.  Same business model they follow now.  Make it mandatory for all 3D printers and buyers.

Of course signature-based protection isn't complete.  For an additional fee, we can give you behavioral and heuristic real-time protection against uncatalogued "threats."  Anything that might be a gun part will be rejected.

Don't 2D printers already have recognition software inside them that prevent them for copying money?


Yes, if it's newer currency with certain anti-counterfeiting features.  In the U. S., I think printers, copiers, scanners, and currency have conspired since 2005.
2013-05-05 09:56:59 PM  
1 vote:

part of the problem: Interesting that this wiget is getting all the commotion... juast ahows lefties dont know squat about guns.


Sure, look at all the righies mentioning the gun's historic namesake

upload.wikimedia.org
2013-05-05 09:27:18 PM  
1 vote:
Lol they should just outlaw SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY if they fear everything is only meant to destroy mankind!

Do they even know how fragile those 3D printed things are and how expensive it is to create something big and full of volume? Do they know that creating a 5 inch item already costs way too much than its worth? Ever bought a $30 one inch miniature of a cube?

What are 3D criminals going to do? Make weapons using ceramics and cheap plastic because using metal is too damn expensive?

What the hell, just outlaw pens as well! Pens can easily be used to stab eyes out! I've even heard of weapons being made out of toilet paper tubes, let's outlaw those as well! Oh crap, humans are naturally evil, let's all just commit a species suicide so as not to endanger each other anymore!
2013-05-05 08:29:28 PM  
1 vote:

redsquid: The above items were produced with consumer level 3D printers. Look at how rough and imperfect the surface is. This technology will not produce the tolerances necessary for a working gun.


And here's what a hobbyist level machines are capable of. Note that complaining about surface finish is kinda useless without scale reference...

i.imm.io

4.bp.blogspot.com

=Smidge=
2013-05-05 08:17:43 PM  
1 vote:
Because, yeah, banning the sharing of information has worked so well in the past.

img105.imageshack.us
2013-05-05 07:38:20 PM  
1 vote:
I am pro-gun, but I still think Wayne LaPierre is a douche bag.  You anti-gun folks feel the same way about Schumer and Feinstein, right?
2013-05-05 07:31:37 PM  
1 vote:

dittybopper: The way I read it, if you make it a muzzleloader, it's completely kosher to make it so that it won't be detected by a metal detector.


Thinking further, you could make several barrels that you could "preload" and just pop into the frame.  It would take you all of 3 seconds to do that, if you designed it right.  Another possible method is to make a "pepperbox" sort of arrangement so you have multiple shots without having to reload, or even something like the "harmonica gun".

Sure, they are crude by today's standards, but crude can also be effective.  If you can sneak something like that into a place where no one else has a gun, because you have to go through a metal detector, you've got a major advantage.

Since you can crank them out by the dozens, the "harmonica" or the barrel assembly of the pepperbox could be largely disposable.  You take a few loaded and capped barrel assemblies and you drop the used one, pop in the fresh one.  Since they'd be loaded at the muzzle and wouldn't use fixed ammo, they wouldn't be firearms under the legal definition, so you couldn't be charged with violating the ban on non-detectable firearms, because it's not legally a firearm.

The one fly in the ointment is the bullets.  They have to be made of metal, because plastic just isn't going to be effective enough.  Still, it would be easier to sneak them in as something that doesn't look like bullets (perhaps have them as beads on a necklace or something).
2013-05-05 07:23:13 PM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).

The 3D printed guns that Defense Distributed have a piece of metal inside (aside from a nail that is used as a firing pin) to make it detectable by metal detectors. However, no one who prints one of their guns will have to put the metal piece in it. Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

There has to be way better control of these things.


No, there doesn't have to be a way. You might want there to be a way, but that doesn't mean there must.
2013-05-05 07:04:25 PM  
1 vote:
Read up on Defense Distributed and the kid who runs it.  Aside from politicians, everyone i know who has watched this kid talk for 10 minutes has come away thinking that his ultra-libertarian anarchism is just the most annoyingly adorable thing ever.  He's that kid who takes your poly-psi class just so he can show all those indoctrinated liberal hippie sheeple what happens when they debate a true critical thinker.  He's a joke.  That's it.

The guns he makes are zip guns.  You could make something just as good with some second hand milling machines and a little skill.  His only innovation is that he's subtracting the skill component and substituting top of the line 3d printers for the garage sale tools.  If you should be scared of his future at all, be scared that today, anybody with a little engineering know-how and a solid week of free time could make anything Defense Distributed intends to make at some time in the indeterminate future.
2013-05-05 06:57:03 PM  
1 vote:
It's been 19 years since the last time someone trolled the Democrats this good. Charles Schumer and the Usual Suspects swallowed the hook back then too. http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/28/us/bill-planned-to-ban-new-bullets. h tml

Nothing stops a charging Rhino!
s24.postimg.org
2013-05-05 06:44:25 PM  
1 vote:

redsquid: [farm5.staticflickr.com image 240x180]

[s3files.core77.com image 468x597]

The above items were produced with consumer level 3D printers. Look at how rough and imperfect the surface is. This technology will not produce the tolerances necessary for a working gun. This isn't even considering the weakness of the thermoplastic used in the lower end 3D printers. Fear exists in the absence of knowledge.


i.imgur.com
Yes, look at the extreme precision of the the tooling on this firearm, such tolerances far beyond anything a machine could do!
2013-05-05 06:39:14 PM  
1 vote:

untaken_name: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Sure, someone can make an all-plastic AK-47 that can be buried in the backyard along with canisters of silver nickels and MREs but you have to remember the kind of person that would buy a 3D printer is also the kind of person that would have to load it down with so many useless after market parts like eight laser sights and a bayonet on both ends that it would be incapable of firing.

[www.etymoticdefense.com image 523x600]

The future is here.


I worked at a comic book store with a gun nut that used to bring his AR-15 that had a bunch of crap on it like that in and clean it in the back. The day he bought a grenade launcher for it was the happiest day of his life. I bet he has a 3D printer now and is happily bootlegging Games Workshop models while day dreaming about the working bolt pistol he's going to make.
2013-05-05 06:38:18 PM  
1 vote:

Southern100: redsquid: [farm5.staticflickr.com image 240x180]

[s3files.core77.com image 468x597]

The above items were produced with consumer level 3D printers. Look at how rough and imperfect the surface is. This technology will not produce the tolerances necessary for a working gun.

Why do you refuse to accept the fact that it already has?

Or do you just think this is all one big hoax?


I'm quite aware of a few AWs using industrial 3D technology to produce very unreliable guns. What I'm saying is that it's not really accessible to the criminal element and won't be any time soon. Yes you can make a lower receiver or a basic pistol with a high end industrial 3D printer. For the price of that printer you can get cases of reliable black market weapons. It is not a viable threat to anyone.
It's like holding up a copy of Playboy and saying it could be replicated on a home printer.
2013-05-05 06:35:50 PM  
1 vote:
I'm confused. Does this guy actually think that if he gets 'blueprints' for replicating a plastic weapon banned... that will be the end of it? That it would be impossible for anyone with a modicum of drafting and engineering skills to draw up something similar?

I can see it now. A black market for printing schematics passed along by nefarious criminal types on flash drives.

Right.
2013-05-05 06:27:59 PM  
1 vote:
At the moment, 3-d printer guns are at the "explode in your hands" stage of development.

Mind, you, it's only been a few centuries since the metal originals were more prone to killing or maiming the musketeer or duellist than whatever the gun might have been pointed towards.

The Napoleonic Wars are said to be the first war in which more troops were killed on the battlefield than died of the pox and other diseases. It was also the first war in which guns were better than long bows and in which a man had a greater chance of killing an enemy or fellow soldier with a gun rather than himself.

And lovers of the Second Amendment should contemplate the fact that when the Second Amendment was passed, Mr. Wincheser, Smith, Wesson, and Colt had not yet introduced mass manufacture to the munitions and armament industries, so that the only hand guns and mass- murdering type weapons were pretty much entirely in the hands of the 1% and the upper servant classes, plus the odd farmer here and there. Landowners almost to the last man (or lady).

The American troops at Valley Forge were mostly armed with farm implements and frozen toes which they could throw at the enemy since they didn't have any boots and their feet were wrapped in strips torn off of their shirts.

The Founding Fathers did not mean for every Tom, Dick and Harry to have an arsenel that would impress the King of England.

They meant to have an arsenel of their own that would keep the slaves, tenants, indentured servants and riff-riff in their places so gentlemen, rich farmers, and patricians could get on with the serious business of enslaving the blacks, slaughtering the reds, converting and looting the yellows of the wealth of the Orient, and pissing on anybody below the honourary rank of Captain who made the mistake of thinking they they are "white". They believed in "well-regulated militias" only because they were the Captains, Lieutenants, Colonels, and Generals who did the regulating and who could call up the militias to defend the interests or whims of their masters.

The Whigs and the Tories in those days had their own free market approach to National Defence. They bought and sold the officer ranks, made good to massive incomes to re-pay the high prices and operating cost of regiments and armies from whatever they could steal in the way of loot from enemies or the populace, or in logistic manipulation of materiel from gubbermint contracts. They were prepared to revolt against their Sovereign the American People as readily as they had cast off the Metropolitan elites and Crown.

In short, they were very much like modern Republicans and Democrats, except that they could be hanged for breaking the laws against piracy and plunder, which they had not yet had the leisure to re-write the laws and Constituton to make their grand theft and petty peculations legal.

Remember their motto: We must all hang together or we shall assuredly hang separately.
2013-05-05 06:22:39 PM  
1 vote:
It's ok guys... bullets are still made out of metal.
2013-05-05 06:21:24 PM  
1 vote:

Southern100: redsquid: The future just got a lot scarier.

I stopped reading right there. Stop with the fear mongering. These 'guns' are not being made on consumer level machines. A RepRap or a Makerbot will not produce items nearly strong enough to do this. Anyone with the money to buy a 3D printer capable of printing these items could easily afford to just buy reliable guns on the black market. Only certain parts of the gun are made of printed plastic. It still needs a metal barrel and firing pin at the very least.

Nope. The only non-printed piece is a common hardware store nail used as its firing pin. The other 15 of its 16 pieces were printed on a 2nd hand Stratasys Dimension SST 3D printer.  The barrel is plastic. There are no striations on the bullets (barrel fingerprint), as the plastic isn't strong enough to imprint them (not to mention that it would change from heat after every firing, also).

Is it something that a a common thief/criminal would use? Probably not; it's too easy to get their hands on a REAL gun (either by theft or purchase).. But for someone to take on an airplane? Absolutely possible. Is there anything the government can really do to stop it? Nope.


How would an individual smuggle ammunition onto a flight?
2013-05-05 06:19:59 PM  
1 vote:

redsquid: The future just got a lot scarier.

I stopped reading right there. Stop with the fear mongering. These 'guns' are not being made on consumer level machines. A RepRap or a Makerbot will not produce items nearly strong enough to do this. Anyone with the money to buy a 3D printer capable of printing these items could easily afford to just buy reliable guns on the black market. Only certain parts of the gun are made of printed plastic. It still needs a metal barrel and firing pin at the very least.


Nope. The only non-printed piece is a common hardware store nail used as its firing pin. The other 15 of its 16 pieces were printed on a 2nd hand Stratasys Dimension SST 3D printer.  The barrel is plastic. There are no striations on the bullets (barrel fingerprint), as the plastic isn't strong enough to imprint them (not to mention that it would change from heat after every firing, also).

Is it something that a a common thief/criminal would use? Probably not; it's too easy to get their hands on a REAL gun (either by theft or purchase).. But for someone to take on an airplane? Absolutely possible. Is there anything the government can really do to stop it? Nope.
2013-05-05 06:19:49 PM  
1 vote:

Biser: Quite illegal, of course.


[citation needed]

The text of the law making it illegal to mill your own receiver should be sufficient.
2013-05-05 06:17:15 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah; you can produce all the rifles, pistols or rocket launchers you want in your own garage. You don't need a 3-d printer to do it. Even an apprentice metal worker could make a gun.
2013-05-05 06:16:29 PM  
1 vote:

Nill: With a $2000 printer you too can duplicate a $5 hardware store zipgun!
Except your plastic one will probably break.


give it time and it will get better. It's not the guns themselves that are the threat. It's the thought that you make now make things at home that the government has no control over. If they ban 30 round mags, you can print them up at home. And that is the part that is interesting. Now you do not have to go to the black market. You do not need to buy and hold until you need it. With a printer you can print one off in a few hours on demand. And yeah the printed guns right now a basically useless but they will get better. Hell I remember when a movie had to be chopped and heavily compressed to download it online. Now i can download a complete blu-ray file in less time than that previous movie. Technology advances and so do the problems that come along with it.
2013-05-05 06:13:55 PM  
1 vote:

Rincewind53: Key word here is plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think)


No the key word is hysteria.  Seriously the US is chock full of old unregistered untraceable guns.

Far as I can see '3D printed guns' are a lot like making a kit car off an old VW chassis.  You won't be able to make the hard parts of a rifle out of plastic, especially crappy 3D printed plastic.  At most what you are talking about is a niche hobbyists market.

Those quad copters on the hand scare the daylights out of me.
2013-05-05 06:12:16 PM  
1 vote:

poorjon: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

I think it's because they're printing the only part of the gun that actually has to be registered. You can buy all the barrels and triggers and hammers you want, but it's this hunk of stuff that makes it all work.


You are confusing two different applications.  This one is an ABS single shot pistol with no metal in it.  (correction, the firing pin is made from a nail).  The other one is a plastic machined version of an M-16 receiver.  A quick google search for used cnc sherline mill turned up a desktop unit with computer for less than one thousand dollars.  The sherline is quite capable of making a receiver out of steel - with no serial number at all.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printe d- gun

Quite illegal, of course.
2013-05-05 06:11:04 PM  
1 vote:
Pro-gun, anti-gun whatever. I know for a fact that it is only a matter of time before some kid prints out a plastic gun and we hear about the carnage on tv.  Nobody will really care about the dead because it will be to  soon to talk about them.

Let's take a moment to morn the 1st person killed with one of these shall we, because after it happens people will be too busy defending their right to have all the guns you want or saying we should ban them.
2013-05-05 06:10:35 PM  
1 vote:

Lt_Ryan: Just wait until someone finds out you can buy a CNC mill and steel online and starts making guns out of (gasp) metal. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the plans for just the part of the receiver that is legally classified as a gun, all the other parts are basically what you can buy online or in any store.


Here's an example of a receiver made from a shovel.  You don't even need something as advanced as a CNC machine to make a gun.
2013-05-05 06:10:29 PM  
1 vote:
i just spent good money for A METAL gun that will last me my lifetime. why anyone would want a gun made outta polylactate or what-not - - maybe as the positive for a casting process using a real material ?
2013-05-05 06:06:38 PM  
1 vote:
What he and his colleagues fail to realize is that the Genie is already out of the bottle.  Therefore, at this point, it is akin to legislating against sunshine.
They either know this or this is simply more anti-gun hype to stir the masses who have no clue of this reality.
2013-05-05 06:06:00 PM  
1 vote:
"Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."

How, Chuck? You've got 3D printers, which you say you have no problem with, and you have digital design files, which are essentially abstractions out there in the ether. What are you going to make illegal that could possibly stop somebody from obtaining and putting these two things together if they want? You're trying to ban an idea, you dope.
2013-05-05 06:04:36 PM  
1 vote:

detritus: Make the plastics out of hemp and power the printers with wind energy. Protect the environment while protecting yourself in said environment. The libtards will self-destruct with the overwhelming amount of cognitive dissonance.


Maybe so. The left hasn't evolved a natural resistance to the effects of CD from prolonged exposure, like the right has. Survival of the dimmest, I guess.
2013-05-05 06:03:33 PM  
1 vote:

calbert: this is clearly what the founding fathers were thinking of when they drafted the 2nd Amendment.


Like the Internet and the First Amendment?
2013-05-05 06:01:40 PM  
1 vote:
Make the plastics out of hemp and power the printers with wind energy.  Protect the environment while protecting yourself in said environment.  The libtards will self-destruct with the overwhelming amount of cognitive dissonance.
2013-05-05 05:51:18 PM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.


They don't vanish, dude. They just stop shooting properly. You'd probably want something more reliable for a real assassination.
2013-05-05 05:48:48 PM  
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Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).


The 3D printed guns that Defense Distributed have a piece of metal inside (aside from a nail that is used as a firing pin) to make it detectable by metal detectors. However, no one who prints one of their guns will have to put the metal piece in it. Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

There has to be way better control of these things.
2013-05-05 05:48:46 PM  
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Impossible to detect?  I thought stuff like this was why they moved airports to backscatter machines instead of metal detectors?
2013-05-05 05:15:08 PM  
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Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).


That's their problem.
 
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